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	<title>Comments on: Builders Roll Out Incentives To Sell &#8216;Spurned Dwellings&#8217;</title>
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	<description>Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, real estate agents and the economy as a whole.</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 21:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Happy Renter</title>
		<link>http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=218#comment-31022</link>
		<dc:creator>Happy Renter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 23:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm here in Tampa and went to some open houses in our subdivision.  The EXACT same house (floorplan) 4/3/3 was selling for 325k by a soldier, 335K by a flipper and 262K with almost ALL upgrades by the builder who had the previous buyer backout.  RE Agent had nerve to say it would only last a day.  I laughed out loud.  I'll buy next year but I feel bad for the sense of schadenfreude for the poor guys who bought high.  :0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m here in Tampa and went to some open houses in our subdivision.  The EXACT same house (floorplan) 4/3/3 was selling for 325k by a soldier, 335K by a flipper and 262K with almost ALL upgrades by the builder who had the previous buyer backout.  RE Agent had nerve to say it would only last a day.  I laughed out loud.  I&#8217;ll buy next year but I feel bad for the sense of schadenfreude for the poor guys who bought high.  :0</p>
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		<title>By: Media Outsider</title>
		<link>http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=218#comment-13203</link>
		<dc:creator>Media Outsider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 19:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They didn't refinanced; they re&lt;em&gt;finced&lt;/em&gt;. Of course they're going to be paying 12%. Do you have any idea what it costs to refince these days? My only question is, what happened to their original fince?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They didn&#8217;t refinanced; they re<em>finced</em>. Of course they&#8217;re going to be paying 12%. Do you have any idea what it costs to refince these days? My only question is, what happened to their original fince?</p>
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		<title>By: flat</title>
		<link>http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=218#comment-13182</link>
		<dc:creator>flat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 18:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>real hot- centex just had an info-mercial w a d cup pushing new homes 30 miles S of DC
HOT !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>real hot- centex just had an info-mercial w a d cup pushing new homes 30 miles S of DC<br />
HOT !</p>
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		<title>By: TXchick57</title>
		<link>http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=218#comment-13124</link>
		<dc:creator>TXchick57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 17:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That could be construed as a bad faith effort to avoid paying what you could pay, much like "downsizing" your employment to avoid child support payments, which doesn't work either.  It would depend on how much of a nazi the judge is. 

The US Trustee's Office was doing just a dandy job of weeding out the bad faith filings and objecting to substantial abuse cases (where it was clear from the debtors' schedules that the living expenses they were claiming violated the spirit of a fresh start in exchange for certain sacrifices).  The system really was working they way it was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That could be construed as a bad faith effort to avoid paying what you could pay, much like &#8220;downsizing&#8221; your employment to avoid child support payments, which doesn&#8217;t work either.  It would depend on how much of a nazi the judge is. </p>
<p>The US Trustee&#8217;s Office was doing just a dandy job of weeding out the bad faith filings and objecting to substantial abuse cases (where it was clear from the debtors&#8217; schedules that the living expenses they were claiming violated the spirit of a fresh start in exchange for certain sacrifices).  The system really was working they way it was.</p>
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		<title>By: scdave</title>
		<link>http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=218#comment-13122</link>
		<dc:creator>scdave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 17:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will to some degree but coast property will always be in demand to the affluant...With that said, I know many 2nd home owners of coast properties are re-evaluating the cost of having this 2nd home given the amount of time they spend there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will to some degree but coast property will always be in demand to the affluant&#8230;With that said, I know many 2nd home owners of coast properties are re-evaluating the cost of having this 2nd home given the amount of time they spend there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: scdave</title>
		<link>http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=218#comment-13119</link>
		<dc:creator>scdave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 17:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Labor yes...Material prices probably not..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Labor yes&#8230;Material prices probably not..</p>
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		<title>By: montie</title>
		<link>http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=218#comment-13089</link>
		<dc:creator>montie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 16:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In terms of real estate, I am seeing a quick nominal drop of about 10 - 20% (more in places like FL and CA). Then, prices will be dead for a decade (i.e., rising at a rate less than inflation).

On the other hand, I don't think that their will be a depression (although there might be a recession). The housing bubble burst will be the best thing for the economy in the medium and long run. Too many economic resources (labor, capital, natural resources) have been going toward residential real estate in the last couple of years. While a kitchen with new cabinets, granite countertops, and tile are nice to look at, they don't increase economic productivity. Once people come to their senses about residential real estate, those economic resources  diverted to productive uses such as improved telecommunication network and new factories, offices, and laboratories. Then, the economy can get back to real growth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In terms of real estate, I am seeing a quick nominal drop of about 10 - 20% (more in places like FL and CA). Then, prices will be dead for a decade (i.e., rising at a rate less than inflation).</p>
<p>On the other hand, I don&#8217;t think that their will be a depression (although there might be a recession). The housing bubble burst will be the best thing for the economy in the medium and long run. Too many economic resources (labor, capital, natural resources) have been going toward residential real estate in the last couple of years. While a kitchen with new cabinets, granite countertops, and tile are nice to look at, they don&#8217;t increase economic productivity. Once people come to their senses about residential real estate, those economic resources  diverted to productive uses such as improved telecommunication network and new factories, offices, and laboratories. Then, the economy can get back to real growth.</p>
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		<title>By: iron56</title>
		<link>http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=218#comment-13068</link>
		<dc:creator>iron56</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw an article on one of the mainstream financial sites a while back (CNN Money? or something) that claimed the new BK law is going to be far less effective than the creditors hope.  All the means test will do is encourage people to find ways to ensure they can't meet it (keep spending, lose their job, etc., etc.)  

Unintended consequences strike again...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw an article on one of the mainstream financial sites a while back (CNN Money? or something) that claimed the new BK law is going to be far less effective than the creditors hope.  All the means test will do is encourage people to find ways to ensure they can&#8217;t meet it (keep spending, lose their job, etc., etc.)  </p>
<p>Unintended consequences strike again&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=218#comment-13039</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 14:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Japanese had two advantages that we don't/won't have. They are good savers, and the rest of the world was still going strong to give them support. 

But just because I am predicting a depression does not mean that I think things won't go on mostly normally. During the Great Depression, people didn't go around thinking "we are living through the Great Depression." They kept living and going on with life. It wasn't until afterwards that they started calling it the Great Depression. Even if we do experience a depression, the standard of living here will still be higher than most people in the world have. Many years ago the Russian communists brought the movie "The Grapes of Wrath" to Russia with the purpose of showing the people there how capitolism had failed. (In case some of you don't know, the movie is about a displaced family during the Depression.) The people there just laughed at the idea that the family in the movie was poor because they had a car!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Japanese had two advantages that we don&#8217;t/won&#8217;t have. They are good savers, and the rest of the world was still going strong to give them support. </p>
<p>But just because I am predicting a depression does not mean that I think things won&#8217;t go on mostly normally. During the Great Depression, people didn&#8217;t go around thinking &#8220;we are living through the Great Depression.&#8221; They kept living and going on with life. It wasn&#8217;t until afterwards that they started calling it the Great Depression. Even if we do experience a depression, the standard of living here will still be higher than most people in the world have. Many years ago the Russian communists brought the movie &#8220;The Grapes of Wrath&#8221; to Russia with the purpose of showing the people there how capitolism had failed. (In case some of you don&#8217;t know, the movie is about a displaced family during the Depression.) The people there just laughed at the idea that the family in the movie was poor because they had a car!</p>
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		<title>By: flat</title>
		<link>http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=218#comment-13036</link>
		<dc:creator>flat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 14:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seems many get deposits returned- thought builders got smart in the 90's- guess not</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seems many get deposits returned- thought builders got smart in the 90&#8217;s- guess not</p>
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		<title>By: va_investor</title>
		<link>http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=218#comment-13035</link>
		<dc:creator>va_investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 14:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A judge in Northern Virginia recently declared a builder contract unenforceable because it was so one-sided as to be unconscienable.  Buyer who walked got his full deposit back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A judge in Northern Virginia recently declared a builder contract unenforceable because it was so one-sided as to be unconscienable.  Buyer who walked got his full deposit back.</p>
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		<title>By: Arwen U.</title>
		<link>http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=218#comment-13034</link>
		<dc:creator>Arwen U.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 14:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oddly enough, last year when we sold in VA, 1-2 year old resales of the same model were selling $100K below builder's prices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oddly enough, last year when we sold in VA, 1-2 year old resales of the same model were selling $100K below builder&#8217;s prices.</p>
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<p>&#8220;It is particularly noticeable in many California markets and in Washington, D.C.; Phoenix; and Chicago. In Sacramento, Calif., for instance, the number of cancellations quadrupled in last year&#8217;s fourth quarter from the year-earlier period. The typical reasons: Buyers can&#8217;t sell their current home, or they are having trouble getting a mortgage or fear that they may be buying at the top of the market.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Some builders are responding by rolling out incentive programs designed to move these spurned dwellings. In Phoenix, Beazer Homes is advertising reductions of as much as $44,000. In Virginia, Brookfield Homes Corp. is running a special: a reduction of nearly $100,000 on a five-bedroom, 4-bath home in Lansdowne, originally priced at $997,925.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;In some cases, builders are selling completed homes at prices lower than those charged for units still under construction; in others, they are offering other incentives, such as free upgrades or builder-paid closing costs.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Unless you have a compelling need to move, &#8216;it&#8217;s better to be prudent and wait,&#8217; says Ivy Zelman, a housing analyst with Credit Suisse. &#8216;It seems as if the builders are going to get more aggressive and offer more discounts that will make it more compelling for buyers.&#8217; In some cases, she notes, buyers who thought they had nabbed a good deal have been surprised to find their builder offering a similar home at a lower price a few months later.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The higher cancellation rates right now are particularly notable because they come at a time when new-home sales are slowing in many of these areas. That is the case in Sacramento, where cancellations have jumped in part because buyers have pulled back from purchasing higher-end homes amid worries that they may be buying at the &#8216;top of the market,&#8217; says Jonathan Dienhart. In all, Hanley Wood saw higher cancellations in 10 of the 16 markets it examined.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The increase in deals falling through isn&#8217;t limited to new construction. In a conference call with analysts last month, Cendant Corp. said its company-owned real-estate brokerage offices in Florida, southern California and New England saw a 30% increase in their cancellation rate in December. Cendant says it reflects the departure of speculators from those markets.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Larry Greenberg is among those getting cold feet. Last summer, Mr. Greenberg put down an $80,000 deposit on an $810,000 condo-hotel unit in Miami&#8217;s South Beach. When the developer recently approached him for an additional $80,000 down payment, Mr. Greenberg decided to back out. &#8216;It was too much risk for the potential reward,&#8217; says Mr. Greenberg, who received his deposit back last week.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Some buyers could find themselves on the hook for more than their initial down payment. If a house is resold for less than the original purchase price, &#8216;we are able to go back to the initial purchaser and recoup some of the losses we had there,&#8217; says Mr. Hughes of Brookfield Homes.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;The message has resonated with buyers,&#8217; says Boyd Roberts, vice president of sales and marketing for the Sacramento region. The promotions were triggered in part by a spike in cancellations at the end of the fourth quarter as some investors got cold feet and other buyers ran into trouble selling their current homes, Mr. Roberts says.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;In San Diego, cancellations reached their highest level in years in 2005, says Philip Romero, who operates real-estate brokerages in southern California.&#8221;</p>

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						<p>It is just so amazing that within 6 months bubble talk has shifted so much!   I&#8217;m definitely anticipating at least the 30-50% decline frequently mentioned.  But now I&#8217;m more concerned with how fast this will fall.  </p>
<p>Given the recent report for the Boston area&#8217;s big  20% sales decline (my area), I&#8217;m beginning to think that if we get just 2 or 3 more reports like that from some major metros around the country, it will be like a car going 100 mph hitting a brick wall.  The coyote has run off the cliff and is just now beginning to realize it.  THAT is where we are now, and this feeling is electric and scary all at the same time.</p>
<p>As many have noted, the internet was just knee high to a grasshopper when things peeked in the late 80&#8217;s (think of ALL the technology advancements since then!).  Given the huge vested interest of the speculators and the toxic loans used far more this time around, I only cringe when I read that someone thinks it will be a blood bath because I think it&#8217;s true.</p>
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						<p>bring out your dead!</p>
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						<p>heh&#8230;this made me laugh.</p>
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						<p>Buyers:  Bring out yer dead!<br />
Sellers:  But&#8230; I&#8217;m getting better&#8230;<br />
Buyers:  *thwack*<br />
Sellers:  Ohhhh&#8230;.. *expires*</p>
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						<p>IMO a swift correction is preferable. Some point to the UK as a soft landing. But have you heard about the overall problems their economy is experiencing? People saddled with debt can only start moving again after a purge.</p>
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						<p>I know, but it doesn&#8217;t make it any easier to watch this unfold.  For sure though, people will finally NOT take &#8216;fundamentals&#8217; for granted again&#8230;..  well, until the next bubble, whatever that is.</p>
<p>Hey, Ben could we have a topic sometime that would be famous quotes we could apply to this bubble?   Here&#8217;s one: </p>
<p>Faced with the choice between changing one&#8217;s mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.<br />
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						<p>the news seems to roll in by the hour confirming what we already know and confirming the anecdotal and word of mouth stories that we all seem to hear.</p>
<p>That brings up a couple of good questions. </p>
<p>One, how long will this take to hit bottom? This is unwinding much faster than even I thought and based on prior cycles.  Are we in a:</p>
<p>A. quick and ugly death spiral?<br />
B. Or will this take 2-4 years to bottom out?<br />
C. Or will it be more like Japan (15 years)?</p>
<p>Secondly,  what&#8217;s everyone&#8217;s opinions about what effect this will have on our nation&#8217;s economy? </p>
<p>A. No real noticable effect at all.<br />
B. Slow down in growth, but economy stil growing.<br />
C. Mild Recession<br />
D. Severe Recession<br />
E. Worse&#8230;</p>
<p>I know we can&#8217;t predict the future, but it still would be fun to get everyone&#8217;s opinion.  </p>
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						<p>I think we&#8217;re looking at long decline. First, I expect to see a fairly rapid correction over the next four years or so. After that, the first wave of the boomers should start selling, which should keep prices down or perhaps even drag them lower over a long period of time. This projection is in real, not nominal terms, because I also expect substantial inflation over the same period.</p>
<p>I also expect a recession, but not just because of falling real prices for housing. I believe that as the boomers grow older, they will start acting their age and reduce consumption accordingly. At some point, boomers need to think about retiring. In fact, the first wave of retirement has already begun, and that has to result in less consumption. As inflation eats away at the retirement funds, taxes will rise to pay for the bump in Social Security outlays, and something has to give. </p>
<p>We&#8217;ll find ourselves wishing it had been quick and ugly before it&#8217;s over.</p>
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						<p>I would say were headed for a lengthy correction that will desimate the economy and could possibly be very similar to Japan&#8217;s crash. Our current job market that has been &#8220;rapidly growing&#8221; is mainly in real estate related services. I noticed a similar but milder trend back in &#8216;99 - &#8216;01 in the investment services industry. There has been a huge attrition of financial advisor and investment banker jobs since then. Just imagine that magnified by a million for our current situation. At some point soon, the David Lereah&#8217;s of the world will be forced to fall on their swords and admit that we are in a terrible situation. One that I don&#8217;t even think our government can help (including the &#8220;Plunge Protection Team&#8221;).</p>
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						<p>I don&#8217;t know about about how long it will take to reach a final bottom but I expect to see a very significant drop within 2 years, and I expect an economic depression. How long it takes to really start recovering depends on how much the government tries to interfere with the natural cycle, and it will probably try to interfere as much as possible. If the government tries to bail out everyone who has made bad decisions then it will put a real damper on the recovery because they will have to tax the life out of any entities that are doing well and making money and creating jobs.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I would say were headed for a lengthy correction that will desimate the economy and could possibly be very similar to Japan’s crash. </p></blockquote>
<p>Having lived in Japan from 1990 to 2000, the time of the &#8220;crash&#8221;, I hope we are so lucky.<br />
From all appearances, life went on normally, but didn&#8217;t change (i.e. &#8220;improve&#8221;) a lot. Japanese are by nature prudent, sensible, and great savers. Unfortunately, we get to deal with the irrefutable proof of both climate change and peak oil at the same time as our housing bubble.</p>
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						<p>The Japanese had two advantages that we don&#8217;t/won&#8217;t have. They are good savers, and the rest of the world was still going strong to give them support. </p>
<p>But just because I am predicting a depression does not mean that I think things won&#8217;t go on mostly normally. During the Great Depression, people didn&#8217;t go around thinking &#8220;we are living through the Great Depression.&#8221; They kept living and going on with life. It wasn&#8217;t until afterwards that they started calling it the Great Depression. Even if we do experience a depression, the standard of living here will still be higher than most people in the world have. Many years ago the Russian communists brought the movie &#8220;The Grapes of Wrath&#8221; to Russia with the purpose of showing the people there how capitolism had failed. (In case some of you don&#8217;t know, the movie is about a displaced family during the Depression.) The people there just laughed at the idea that the family in the movie was poor because they had a car!</p>
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						<p>In terms of real estate, I am seeing a quick nominal drop of about 10 - 20% (more in places like FL and CA). Then, prices will be dead for a decade (i.e., rising at a rate less than inflation).</p>
<p>On the other hand, I don&#8217;t think that their will be a depression (although there might be a recession). The housing bubble burst will be the best thing for the economy in the medium and long run. Too many economic resources (labor, capital, natural resources) have been going toward residential real estate in the last couple of years. While a kitchen with new cabinets, granite countertops, and tile are nice to look at, they don&#8217;t increase economic productivity. Once people come to their senses about residential real estate, those economic resources  diverted to productive uses such as improved telecommunication network and new factories, offices, and laboratories. Then, the economy can get back to real growth.</p>
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						<p>can&#8217;t wait for this tragedy/comedy to unfold. Shakespeare would love this stuff</p>
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						<p>forgive me for what&#8217;s about to follow. <img src='http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>When nothing sells after the Spring Bounce we can call it </p>
<p>A Midsummers Night(mare).  Or if tragedy is your thing how about O&#8217;sello.<br />
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						<p>OK, for those poor unfortunates who bought into the cruise ship condominium concept: Katherine Ann Porter&#8217;s &#8220;Ship of Fools&#8221;</p>
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						<p>These homebuilders are going to completely ruin speculators homesales. The homebuilders can slash prices on thier homes and still turn a profit, unlike the speculators and resellers.</p>
<p>My first home I ever bought was from from a desperate new homebuilder that was having a firesale to get rid of all thier stock. They had lowered prices in my area to the point that for even the trashed used HUD homes  in bad neighborhoods (homes that were of similar size) were more expensive than the builder&#8217;s new homes. At that point, it became a no brainer for me&#8230;buy a new home in move in condition, or buy an older home in severe need of repair just to make it liveable. </p>
<p>This should be interesting to watch.</p>
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						<p>Oddly enough, last year when we sold in VA, 1-2 year old resales of the same model were selling $100K below builder&#8217;s prices.</p>
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						<p>Damn, OC median back up to 602K per OCrealestatefinder.com and DataQuick. Crap, not too happy to hear about that. But, our good buddy Gary Watts, said that he will probably have to revise his previously mentioned forcast&#8230;if that means anything&#8230;.</p>
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						<p>the median is a lousy predictor u really need to know dollar per sq ft.</p>
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						<p>I&#8217;m sure George Carlin will be laffing his nuts off when these flipping fools bite the dust.</p>
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						<p>Are we out of fools, or are they just taking a well deserved break? After all, they&#8217;ve been working overtime for the last 5 years.</p>
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						<p>Alright&#8230;.GO CHICAGO!!</p>
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						<p>I keep reminding myself not to get excited&#8230;.the downside hasn&#8217;t even started yet.</p>
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						<p>“In San Diego, cancellations reached their highest level in years in 2005, says Philip Romero, who operates real-estate brokerages in southern California.”</p>
<p>There you go &#8212; yet another sign that we are coming in for a soft landing&#8230;</p>
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						<p>highest level in years = normalization of the market</p>
<p>He should have said records were made to be broken!?!??!</p>
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						<p>If a deal falls through on one of these new homes, does the builder automatically take it upon themselves to keep trying to sell it, or does it go to the MLS?  The reason I ask is that I am suspecting these deals that fall through represent yet another source of hidden inventory, in the form of brand new homes at a steep discount to the mountain of used homes that are for sale in the nearby 20-year-old tract development&#8230;</p>
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						<p>GetStucco - </p>
<p>At least in Phoenix Metro - that seems to be the case, this shadow supply of inventory  of new builds/spec homes. </p>
<p>In January, we apparently broke the all time record for number of spec homes for sale - 2400+. I can&#8217;t wait for the February numbers to come out to see what increase/change there will be in spec home counts.</p>
<p>I believe so far for the most part any new builds that fall through stay with the builder and don&#8217;t go through MLS. </p>
<p>Any realtors care to comment on this?</p>
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						<p>Stay with the builder unless they are med to small fries or unless severly under the gun. Most try to avoid commission costs at great lengths.</p>
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						<p>From what I have seen the  builder will try and sell the homes themselves without placeing listing with another outside broker. Most have brokers and list them on the mls themselves. I have recently seen kb homes, elite communities and continental homes list their own homes on the mls.They might simply list a couple of properties in the subdivision to get traffic. I have recently seen where the builder had one home left in a community and listed with an outside realtor to sell it.</p>
<p>I have even seen where an outside realtor lists a new home builders property as their own listing. They must have something worked out with the builder.</p>
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						<p>San Diego MLS has several new homes in Carmel Valley (92130) that either complete, or almost complete, being listed by builders.  In particular Standard Pacific for thier Airoso development and DR Horton for thier Pell Place development.  And, some of these listings have had price reductions too, take a look at Ziprealty.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>“Some buyers could find themselves on the hook for more than their initial down payment. If a house is resold for less than the original purchase price, ‘we are able to go back to the initial purchaser and recoup some of the losses we had there,’ says Mr. Hughes of Brookfield Homes.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Sounds like Brookfield Homes are a nice, caring company with which to to business.  If I were Mr. Hughes, I&#8217;d make sure my sales folks didn&#8217;t misrepresent anything in the presentation and sales process.  Those counter-claims can really suck.</p>
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						<p>that would suck to be owning a home in one of those Brookfield Homes neighborhoods. What if you had to legitimately sell because of a move/job transfer/household budget change?</p>
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						<p>You&#8217;ve already said - it would suck.</p>
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						<p>I think they are talking about people backing out of the deal and the builder having to resell the home at a price that is less than what the original buyer agreed to pay.  In that case, this guy is saying he would go after the folks who backed out for the difference between what they contracted to pay and what the builder ultimately received from a subsequent buyer.</p>
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						<p>less the applicable down payment the original buyer put down on the home.  I left that out.</p>
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						<p>Rock star bimbo w/granite countertops seeks sucker, er, buyer . . . </p>
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						<p>some of my favorite quotes saved.</p>
<p>But Tuccillo, a Sarasotan who is former chief economist of the National Association of Realtors, says the housing market remains on strong footing. </p>
<p>&#8220;There&#8217;s no way you can&#8217;t interpret this as a slowing down of the market,&#8221; he said. &#8220;But no market goes to pot unless the underlying economy goes to pot, and that&#8217;s not happening here. We&#8217;re going through a cycle. This is a marginal change downward and the market will stabilize.&#8221;</p>
<p>And this land-locked community shouldn&#8217;t expect prices to come down soon, if ever, said Tom Brewster, president of AZNorth Development and Investments. The shortage of available land coupled with building materials inflating more than 5 percent a year means even new houses can&#8217;t be built to meet the demand for properties priced below $300,000. </p>
<p>&#8220;I am astonished,&#8221; said David Lereah, the NAR&#8217;s chief economist, who said that the data suggest a sea change in the role of real estate in the nation&#8217;s economy.<br />
&#8220;What we&#8217;re seeing is that real estate is no longer just a place to live. It&#8217;s a viable alternative to stocks and bonds,&#8221; Lereah said. &#8220;Sept. 11 changed real estate forever, the way people look at it. They&#8217;re nervous about stocks and bonds and they&#8217;re placing money in real estate, which has proven to be a stable and wealth-building asset.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;National Association of Realtors Chief Economist David Lereah said. &#8220;Home sales are coming down from the mountain peak, but they will level out a high plateau &#8212; a plateau that is higher than previous peaks in the housing cycle.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m absolutely delighted that things have slowed down,&#8221; said Alan Nevin, director of economic research for MarketPointe Realty Advisors in San Diego. </p>
<p>&#8220;The last three years, from a macro-economic standpoint, have been very profitable &#8212;- and very unhealthy, because it was an abnormal rate of growth. Normally when you have a situation like we&#8217;ve had the last three years, you typically have a major correction. Fortunately, we are not going to have a major correction.&#8221;</p>
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						<p>The shortage of available land coupled with building materials inflating more than 5 percent a year means even new houses can’t be built to meet the demand for properties priced below $300,000.</p>
<p>As the construction industry cools, building materials will fall.  Cheap immigrant labor and unemployed homebuilders will cause labor prices to fall.</p>
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						<p>What shortage of land!!!!! Have you been up in a plane lately? Maybe you should pull your head out and look around. There is more land to be developed than there are people to live in the structures to be built. Price will come down&#8230;..It is just a matter of when, where how much and how fast.</p>
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						<p>Labor yes&#8230;Material prices probably not..</p>
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						<p>some of my favorites articles.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/realestate/bal-bz.invest07oct07,0,7514009.story?track=rss" rel="nofollow">National Real Estate Investors&#8217; Conference at BWI this week drew about 500 people, and many of them hopped on a bus to Baltimore for a tour of potentially lucrative investments</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/housing/census/historic/values.html" rel="nofollow">Historical Census of Housing Tables<br />
Home Values </a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ocweekly.com/the-news/news/it%27s-a-crime_2006-01-05.html" rel="nofollow">Even in the county’s toughest neighborhoods, we couldn’t find cheap housing</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://money.cnn.com/2005/02/02/real_estate/buying_selling/thursday_kickoff/" rel="nofollow">After a holiday slowdown, the Super Bowl each year marks the start of housing&#8217;s prime season. </a></p>
<p><a href="http://sharelynx.com/chartstemp/USHLSPOG.php" rel="nofollow">Average US House Prices Measured In Ounces Of Gold Or Silver</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/05/AR2005100501984.html" rel="nofollow">Supply Hits High In Condo Craze </a> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05168/523385.stm" rel="nofollow">If you want to buy my house, you have to feed the squirrels. </a>  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.economist.com/finance/displayStory.cfm?story_id=4079027" rel="nofollow">In come the waves(from the economist) </a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/business/20051111-1315-wall&amp;main.html" rel="nofollow">Housing bubble&#8217;s burst could cost 1 million jobs and cause a recession, experts say </a></p>
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						<p>Finally, local proof of the slowdown, Centreville, Virginia, 10 miles south of Dulles airport, western Fairfax County&#8230;We&#8217;re seeing a lot of new contruction in the &#8220;fill in&#8221; areas. Normally, I am not opposed to these smaller communities going in with some high-density building. But. These are Beazer SFH, starting at $700k. We call them the &#8220;pass the Grey Poupon&#8221; homes, they are THAT close together, and the privacy fence along the main artery (Route 29, from DC to the Shenandoah) does nothing to help. And, Engle is selling $500k townhomes in the same area. This community is a monstrosity. It&#8217;s just that bad. Anyhow, Engle had a sign posted on the fence along route 29: &#8220;Home of the Week: stop by for special blah, blah, blah.&#8221; Can&#8217;t remember the exact wording. I haven&#8217;t seen any incentive language for selling new homes in years. So when I saw this the other day I knew the hard times had arrived. I&#8217;ve been watching these homes flip for the last year as they got completed.</p>
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						<p>UK only had a brief 5% correction in late 04since then very little- wish I knew I&#8217;d no what to short</p>
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						<p>NEWSFLASH:</p>
<p>OC&#8217;s Gary Watt&#8217;s Considers &#8216;Revising&#8217; his &#8216;Forecast&#8217;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/money/housing/article_1028906.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/money/housing/article_1028906.php</a></p>
<p>One of the most optimistic forecasters, real estate economist Gary Watts, said earlier this week that he may consider revising his own forecast of a 15 percent increase this year. </p>
<p>Watts said if the higher-than-normal inventory level continues into the summer, he may revisit his forecast. </p>
<p>&#8220;Right now, I&#8217;m comfortable with our resale market,&#8221; he said.</p>
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<p>The Median Price went back up to $602,000.</p>
<p>Ho hum.</p>
<p>What it really means is that even though homes AREN&#8217;T selling in OC, the greater fools who bought a home or two bought at outrageous prices.</p>
<p>For instance-</p>
<p>If only 100 homes sell, out of say- oh 17,000-</p>
<p>-and those homes- though only 100- sell at close to asking price-</p>
<p>The Median Price goes UP.</p>
<p>See how that trick works?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say only 1 home sold out of 17,000.</p>
<p>If that home was priced at $700,000-</p>
<p>-guess what?</p>
<p>The Median Price goes UP again.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a disconnect at work here.</p>
<p>If there&#8217;s 17,000 homes on sale, and only 2,700 people bought&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;shouldn&#8217;t the headline REALLY be&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8216;Orange County Homes Aren&#8217;t Selling, But The Few That Did Made The Median Go UP&#8217;</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m slow, but I just figured this out.</p>
<p>The Median Price Game benefits the Real Estate Industry, even when nobody is buying.</p>
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						<p>It&#8217;s finally happening in southern Santa Cruz county (CA).  The corner &#8220;for sale&#8221; signs are slowly multiplying.  I noticed several houses that were for sale for months are now rentals.  Makes me wonder when the avalanche will begin here.  Might be a long time.  Many people don&#8217;t believe the bubble will burst here.</p>
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						<p>It will to some degree but coast property will always be in demand to the affluant&#8230;With that said, I know many 2nd home owners of coast properties are re-evaluating the cost of having this 2nd home given the amount of time they spend there&#8230;</p>
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						<p>OT. This might be more appropriate at socals’s site?<br />
This is just the ameriquest colmplaints, there are many other lenders listed here. Sad to say, a lot of very trusting, ignorant people are the ones doing the complaining.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.consumeraffairs.com/finance/ameriquest.html" rel="nofollow"></p>
<p>Here’s one of many:<br />
Allison  of Holtsville NY (01/27/06)<br />
My husband and I refinced with ameriquest mortage on February 1, 2005. They had told us that our interest rate would be between 8and 9% however when we got to the closing we were at 12%. They took 11,176.46 in closing costs. My taxes and insurance was suppose to be included and when we got to the closing they mentioned that they weren&#8217;t going to be. My hasband and I refinced for our business. We only refinced $50,000.00. My original mortgage was $3,200 a month. We are not paying $6,200 a month. I know that we were taken to the back and now we can not keep paying this mortage. I need to see if we are able to sue ameriquest for inccurate information.</a></p>
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						<p>Solution for Allison&#8212;1) go for a walk  2) find a cliff  3) keep walking.  Doubt you&#8217;ll even notice.<br />
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						<p>Why did you sign the papers, you dolt?</p>
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						<p>They didn&#8217;t refinanced; they re<em>finced</em>. Of course they&#8217;re going to be paying 12%. Do you have any idea what it costs to refince these days? My only question is, what happened to their original fince?</p>
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						<p>Use this mutual fund&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Short Real Estate ProFund is designed to increase when the U.S. real estate sector declines and to decrease when the sector rises. Specifically, the fund seeks daily investment results, before fees and expenses, that correspond to the inverse (opposite) of the daily performance of the Dow Jones U.S. Real Estate Index.</p>
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						<p>I think it will take about 6 months for a RE capitulation, just like &#8220;New Economy&#8221; tech leader CSCO in 2000. The tech bubble burst in March sending CSCO to a $50 floor, and for 6 months all the talk on CNBC was NO tech crash because CSCO was the leader and $50 was the floor.  When CSCO broke $50 in October there was the final panic capitulation.  </p>
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						<p>I&#8217;m emotionally drained from my client today.  Bought her house 4 years ago. refied (HELOC) to buy a flipper and then refied the flipper house to buy another. Got caught when the music stopped and presents today having lost all 3 and is living with a relative scratching her head wondering what happened.  Tens of thousands in credit card debt means we will file a BK for her but she really thought that the real estate market would be the endless well of wealth.  We are the naysayers (soothsayers?) spraying water on the flipper fire.  I think this will take a while to play out from an ignorance standpoint.  I&#8217;m still talking to people who see &#8220;hot&#8221; areas for investment. . .</p>
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						<p><i>Tens of thousands in credit card debt means we will file a BK for her but she really thought that the real estate market would be the endless well of wealth.</i></p>
<p>UNbelievable.  And I stressed over a $400 Visa bill until I paid if off last month.  I can&#8217;t even imagine having that kind of debt&#8230;..it just never occurred to me to extend myself like that.  I really feel for your client but please tell me that she really didn&#8217;t think she had found herself a vertible money tree.</p>
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						<p>Not a money tree, just the wealth effect touted by no less than the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank himself&#8230;</p>
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						<p>I hear ya, but regardless &#8230;. there is such a thing as thinking for yourself, right?  We all on this blog heard the same things, watched the whole play roll out but we instead said, &#8220;Something is fishy here.&#8221;  She was able to do the same and didn&#8217;t.  She leveraged herself into the ground and now she&#8217;s contemplating the whole thing&#8230;..a bit too late.</p>
<p>But you know all this, GS&#8230;I&#8217;m just talkin&#8217;.  <img src='http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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						<p>Is she going to make the means test for Ch. 7?  That is what I wonder about, whether it will be the stumbling block for so many of these idiots trying to walk away via bankruptcy.</p>
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						<p>I saw an article on one of the mainstream financial sites a while back (CNN Money? or something) that claimed the new BK law is going to be far less effective than the creditors hope.  All the means test will do is encourage people to find ways to ensure they can&#8217;t meet it (keep spending, lose their job, etc., etc.)  </p>
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						<p>That could be construed as a bad faith effort to avoid paying what you could pay, much like &#8220;downsizing&#8221; your employment to avoid child support payments, which doesn&#8217;t work either.  It would depend on how much of a nazi the judge is. </p>
<p>The US Trustee&#8217;s Office was doing just a dandy job of weeding out the bad faith filings and objecting to substantial abuse cases (where it was clear from the debtors&#8217; schedules that the living expenses they were claiming violated the spirit of a fresh start in exchange for certain sacrifices).  The system really was working they way it was.</p>
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						<p>Oops!  vertible=veritable  <img src='http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
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						<p>$320000 - PRICE REDUCED! Seller motivated!<br />
Reply to: <a href="mailto:hous-132601847@craigslist.org">hous-132601847@craigslist.org</a><br />
Date: 2006-02-09, 12:41PM PST</p>
<p>Clovis beauty, 3/1.75, lg backyard with shade trees, patio and garden area. New paint, new hardwood floors, carpet and new roof! Established neighborhood near park. Pride of ownership, lovely landscaping, immaculate, light and charming. Perfect starter home! Call today! Charles, 559-999-7975</p>
<p>Burlingame at Clovis Ave   google map   yahoo map</p>
<p>    * this is in or around Clovis, CA<br />
    * no &#8212; it&#8217;s NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests</p>
<p>	I AM SURE THIS IS A FLIPPER FLOPPER.   $320K IN CLOVIS?  WTF, CLOVIS HAS A STRONG SENSE IN THE AIR OF BOTH BOVINE AND EQUESTRIAN FECAL MATTER, SO STRONG YOU CAN SMELL WHILE DRIVING DOWN THE FWY.  A COUPLE OF YRS AGO, THIS CHARMER WOULD BE LUCKY TO FETCH $100K.</p>
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						<p>$284900 - Beautiful Home - 3 BR / 2BA - Seller motivated - Vacant House<br />
Reply to: see below<br />
ANOTHER FLOPPER IN TROUBLE</p>
<p>Date: 2006-02-03, 2:23PM PST<br />
1105 SENECA DR, Madera, CA 93637</p>
<p>******************************************************************<br />
**** SELLER WILL CREDIT BUYER $1000.00 TOWARDS CLOSING COSTS ****<br />
******************************************************************</p>
<p>Bedrooms: 3 Full Baths: 2 Square Feet: 1,112<br />
Lot Size: 7,345 Sq. Ft. Year Built: 1995</p>
<p>Corner location, side gate for rv parking, concrete in the backyard, no lawn area, ceiling fans with lights in each room and in living room, upgraded mini-blinds, tiles in the hallway, bathrooms and in kitchen, slidng door w/ screen opens to backyard from the living room, auto garage door opener, auto sprinklers for the frontyard only, security light by the front door</p>
<p>Floor Coverings: CONCRETE, CARPET, TILE<br />
Bathroom: SHOWER AND TUB</p>
<p>Kitchen: F/S RANGE/OVEN, GAS APPLIANCES, ELECTRIC APPLIANCES, DISPOSAL, DISHWASHER, MICROWAVE OVEN, EATING AREA</p>
<p>Parking: 2 PARKING SPACES, ATTACHED, AUTOMATIC DOOR</p>
<p>Siding: STUCCO</p>
<p>Lot Description: CORNER Roof Type: TILE</p>
<p>Yard/Grounds: SPRINKLERS - FRONT, SPRINKLER - AUTO, FENCED YARD</p>
<p>Lot Size: 7,345 Sq. Ft.</p>
<p>Utilities Heating: CENTRAL HEATING Cooling: CENTRAL</p>
<p>Cross Street: MADRID LANE</p>
<p>Listing Broker: KSP REAL ESTATE<br />
Call Listing Agent: K. SINDHER at 559-318-0061<br />
Email: <a href="mailto:ksindher@sbcglobal.net">ksindher@sbcglobal.net</a></p>
<p>SENECA DR at MADRID LANE    google map   yahoo map</p>
<p>    * this is in or around Madera<br />
    * no &#8212; it&#8217;s NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests</p>
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						<p>ANOTHER FLOPPER THAT HAS A MORE REALISTIC PRICING FOR THE BOVINE FECAL MATTER SCENTED SAN JOAQUIN VALLEY.  </p>
<p>$210000 - 3/2 For Sale By Owner!<br />
Reply to: <a href="mailto:hous-129493110@craigslist.org">hous-129493110@craigslist.org</a><br />
Date: 2006-01-29, 10:44AM PST</p>
<p>This is a 2bd 2ba. with den/3rd bed room, I say 3rd bed room because the Den has it&#8217;s<br />
own walk-in closet and bath room. It has a 1 car garage with a long car port and enclosed patio New paint inside and out very quiet neighborhood, MUST SEE!<br />
NO AGENTS NEEDED! SELLER CAN PREPARE ALL PAPER WORK! ***MOTIVATED SELLERS***</p>
<p>For more info please e-mail this post or call 559-312-3792</p>
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						<p>Once builders have to begin selling homes, for which the buyers walked on the contract, those buyers will begin to learn what the phrase, &#8220;This is a binding contract&#8221; means.  If I were in law school, I think I&#8217;d skip ambulance chasing and get into real estate and contract law.</p>
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						<p>seems many get deposits returned- thought builders got smart in the 90&#8217;s- guess not</p>
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						<p>real hot- centex just had an info-mercial w a d cup pushing new homes 30 miles S of DC<br />
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						<p>I&#8217;m here in Tampa and went to some open houses in our subdivision.  The EXACT same house (floorplan) 4/3/3 was selling for 325k by a soldier, 335K by a flipper and 262K with almost ALL upgrades by the builder who had the previous buyer backout.  RE Agent had nerve to say it would only last a day.  I laughed out loud.  I&#8217;ll buy next year but I feel bad for the sense of schadenfreude for the poor guys who bought high.  :0</p>
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