December 30, 2007

It Seems To Be A Nationwide Phenomenon

The Tampa Tribune reports from Florida. “If you’re trying to sell your home, recent real estate news is likely getting you down. There are more homes for sale than buyers, empty houses sit on the market for months, and some homes aren’t selling. Tampa ranks second in the nation for falling prices, and economists say it will get worse. It’s hard to ignore how long it’s taking to make deals. October’s 1,700 sales are still down 30 percent from the same month last year when 2,419 homes sold. In October 2005, 3,735 homes sold.”

“Real estate agent Nick Davis in Wesley Chapel, said he is seeing an uptick in sales, as long as clients are willing to drop their asking prices. Part of the reason homes are taking longer to sell, he said, is that homeowners don’t want to accept that homes aren’t appreciating like they did during the housing boom.”

“‘People have to be realistic,’ Davis said.”

“David and Jeanine Blake find themselves on both sides of the selling fence. The couple just bought a house in Belleair and feel they got a good deal because of the slow market. Now, though, they have to sell their old home and fear it will take a while. They worry, too, whether they’ll get a price they can live with.”

“‘We’re prepared for it to take 90 to 120 days,’ David Blake said. ‘We have equity, but we’re not going to give it away just because we have equity in the home.’”

The Naples News from Florida. “The real estate boom that peaked in 2005 contributed to Southwest Florida’s unprecedented foreclosure rates in 2007, say real estate professionals and county officials.”

“In Lee County, 11,698 foreclosure cases were filed with the Clerk of Courts this year before Dec. 1, more than tripling the number of all 2006 filings. In Collier, 3,225 foreclosures had been filed as of Friday morning, an increase of more than 400 percent over 2006.”

“Single-month totals for November 2007 were greater in both counties than yearly totals in 2005.”

“‘It just gags you,’ said Lee Clerk of Courts Charlie Green. ‘I have seen the market go down before, but we have never seen this large of an increase in foreclosures.’”

“Green said a variety of factors particular to the area’s booming 2004 and 2005 real estate market ultimately led to this year’s dreary statistics. ‘A home worth $200,000 had a market value of $400,000 in a very short time, which any reasonable person knows shouldn’t happen. There was a tremendous spike in value and people bought like drunken sailors,’ he said.”

“Foreclosures might continue to increase at a rapid rate because increased payments from adjustable rate mortgages sold during the boom’s height are just now kicking in, said Ross McIntosh, a Naples real estate broker.”

“While housing prices have been falling, they have not decreased enough to match income levels in those areas yet, he added. ‘Cape Coral and Lehigh have not yet felt the brunt of the foreclosures. I don’t see a bottom, literally, for years to come. Everybody’s hurting but we’re hurting most in Southwest Florida because we had the farthest to fall, and an undiversified economy.’”

The Bradenton Herald from Florida. “Local builders might not be getting as much money per home as they did during the real estate boom, but some say sales numbers are up slightly from last year.”

“Neal Communities sold 14 homes last month, resulting in a total sales volume of about $5.3 million. In November 2006, Neal sold 12 homes, but the sales volume was nearly $2 million higher at $7.2 million. The higher sales number with lower sales volume is an indication on how far home prices have fallen.”

“Even in places like The Country Club at Lakewood Ranch, prices have been drastically reduced. A banner outside one of the gates tells prospective buyers they can get into Neal’s Wexford community for $330,000. During the boom years, prices in that development were nearly twice that.”

The Times Free Press. “After years of steady increases, housing starts in Northwest Georgia and Bradley County dropped by double digits through the third quarter of this year compared to the same period in 2006, records show.”

“But in several Southeast Tennessee counties, many of which do not require building permits for houses, officials say they are seeing an upward trend.”

“‘Right now, we are not (seeing any new construction starting),’ said Ray Brackett, building official for Marion County. ‘But we have several million dollars’ worth of new homes being built. I’ve got one (building plan) in my office right now for new condos on the river.’”

“In the greater Chattanooga area, which includes Bradley County, the number of permits dropped from 2,127 through Sept. 30, 2006, to 1,668 for the same period in 2007. In Bradley County, building permits dropped from 502 to 382 for the same comparison period, records show. That compares with double-digit increases before 2006, according to The Market Edge.”

“Bradley County posted a 14.6 percent increase from 2003 to 2004. Since then, ‘it is off some,’ said Greg Thomas, Cleveland city building inspector. ‘It seems to be a nationwide phenomenon from what I can tell. But I don’t think panic buttons are being pushed. People are still bringing housing products to the market, and I think that will continue.’”

“Mr. Brackett said the area is attractive for its low cost of living and scenic beauty. ‘We have it all, the mountains and the river,’ he said. ‘And it’s cheaper to live here.’”

“The cost of living may be low, but a lot of the new homes coming out of the ground are not.”

“The Cumberlands at Sewanee and Timberlake at Sewanee are upscale developments on 12,000 acres on South Pittsburg Mountain. The Rarity Club at Nickajack, which will have an 18-hole golf course, is slated to have nearly 1,000 homes. Rarity officials said last month that about half of the 160 lots have sold. Many of those lots are selling from $300,000 to close to $1 million, Mr. Brackett said.”

“The rural Tennessee counties have room for new developments. In Marion County, for example, nearly 2,700 acres are being converted to residential subdivisions, according to Marion County Mayor Howell Moss. In Meigs County, officials said three developments are expected to attract as many as 6,000 new residents.”

MSN Real Estate on South Carolina. “The view from Mari Kunz’s new house in Murrells Inlet, S.C., is far from what she pictured when she and her husband, Larry, bought into this Levitt and Sons retirement community last summer.”

“Instead of tropical landscaping, lush green lawns and a steady stream of other active seniors on bikes, she sees street after street of empty lots, framed unfinished houses and streetlights that don’t work.”

“Levitt filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in November, putting the brakes on construction at the couple’s development, Seasons at Prince Creek West. The move left them and the rest of the residents without the lifestyle, amenities or services promised them. The posh Grand Clubhouse was never built, and the fitness center consists of little more than a gaping hole for the indoor pool and a couple of walls.”

“‘We are the only house in Phase 2,’ Kunz says. ‘We are kind of out here by ourselves.’”

The Charlotte Observer from North Carolina. “If you need a house near Houston, Rhonda Dupras wants to talk to you. She isn’t a real estate agent but a frustrated Charlotte newcomer caught up in the nation’s housing crisis.”

“She’s desperate to buy in Charlotte, one of the few places where homes continue to appreciate. But she can’t sell her property in Texas, where the real estate market is tanking. So she rents and waits.”

“‘I moved to Charlotte because I wanted a better lifestyle,’ said the 41-year-old, who works in the mortgage lending industry and has had her Katy, Texas, home on the market for 22 months. ‘I have to eat the mortgage every month. It’s why I haven’t bought a house here.’”

“Local real estate professionals say too many clients are simply blocked from buying because they can’t unload properties elsewhere. That’s becoming a drag on Charlotte’s real estate market.”

“It’s a market that has thrived this decade with transplants — about 80,000 a year — buying homes. But the local numbers now are telling a different story: Average days for a home to sell increased to 124 days in October from 118 the same month last year, according to Carolina MLS. And contracts, the most current snapshot of sales, were down 21 percent last month, compared with the same period last year.”

“Terri Wade, a Charlotte mortgage broker, started a social group of newcomers. Of the 89 newcomers in her group, about 15 are stuck with mortgages in soured markets elsewhere.”

“In her mortgage business, corporate clients relocating to the region have been spending more than a year in temporary quarters, compared with less than six months in 2006 and prior years, she said. ‘This is touching so many different people.’”

“Among the frustrated newcomers is Christopher Dobrosky, who moved to Charlotte for a new job and better pay with a construction materials company. He can’t sell his condominium in Philadelphia. He says he could afford to buy in Charlotte and make payments on two properties in two states but wouldn’t feel comfortable doing it.”

“The condominium is worth less than when he bought it four years ago. And he took out a home equity loan to pay off debt. ‘It’s crazy. I would have to choose to lose money,’ said the 34-year-old. ‘I’m kind of stuck.’”

“On the other side of the sales equation are local homeowners like Keith and Sara Sykes, who say they hear the same tale from prospective buyers who are interested but can’t close deals. The Sykeses have been trying since September to sell their condominium in located in south Charlotte.”

“The two want a bigger house with a backyard. They closed Friday on that new house, also in south Charlotte near Sedgefield. But Keith Sykes takes a deep breath when considering the local market for condominiums.”

“‘A lot of people who have looked can’t sell houses where they used to live,’ he said. ‘I think the economy is still strong here; it’s just a tough time to sell.’”

“Fortunately for the couple, Keith Sykes took some big profits from selling a Dilworth condominium almost three years ago that he owned for two years during the heart of that area’s appreciation. They have savings in case the condominium doesn’t sell by the spring but believe interest will pick quickly after the holiday season.”

“‘My real concern would be if it didn’t start selling by the end of January,’ he said.”

“Sheila Harman has experienced the slowing market. To her it feels like a complete stall.”

“She tested the market in June to gauge interest in her sprawling brick house on 12 acres in Union County. Harman and her husband listed the property at $598,000 with an agent, who brought only a few window-shoppers, she said.”

“She also listed the house on a real estate Web site that guarantees hits. And she posted signs in her neighborhood directing potential buyers to the property. Then she waited. She’s still waiting.”

“Unwilling to lower her price, Harman let the agent contract expire. And she said the listing” on the real estate Web site hasn’t produced any phone calls.”

“‘We will just hang in there,’ she said. ‘It’s very unusual to list a house like that and get no response.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2007-12-30 06:25:31

‘Having failed to sell his Miami-area house for $25 million, Julio Iglesias razed it last month and plans to rebuild.’

‘We went down, down, down (in price) and then I thought, you know, this is too cheap,’ says the 64-year-old singer. He had cut the asking price for the 10,350-square-foot house well below the original $32 million he was seeking when he listed it three years ago.’

‘Iglesias bought the property in 1978 for about $650,000 and renovated the house. It’s in Indian Creek Village, between the Atlantic Ocean and Florida’s Intracoastal Waterway. With about 400 feet of Waterway frontage, the Iglesias property includes a pool.’

Comment by palmetto
2007-12-30 06:31:27

‘Having failed to sell his Miami-area house for $25 million, Julio Iglesias razed it last month and plans to rebuild.’

Wow. Even celebs have got that “I’m not gonna give it away” mantra. But razing is a little extreme, IMO. It’s not like your average FB can do that.

Comment by palmetto
2007-12-30 06:34:22

And also, $25 million for a house in Miami is a complete joke, I don’t care who owned it previously or where it is or what sort of waterfront or what amenities it has. Even solid gold bidets in every bathroom won’t justify that kind of price tag.

Comment by palmetto
2007-12-30 06:45:29

Apologies for the multiple posts, but this article just slays me. What, you mean there were no South American bazillionaires to buy his humble abode? I’m shocked, I tell you, shocked!

And this:

“At least one neighbor has had better luck selling in Indian Creek: Retired developer Leonard Miller, whose two-acre home brought in $20 million this week. That’s believed to be the costliest single-family house sale in Miami this year. Rajendra “Raj” Singh, co-founder of wireless-services company LCC International, and his wife, Neera, bought the property, which has roughly 200 feet of Waterway frontage and was listed for $23.5 million.”

Yep, that’s Leonard Miller, former head honcho of Lennar.

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Comment by Neil
2007-12-30 12:59:42

Yep, that’s Leonard Miller, former head honcho of Lennar.
Sounds like he just got his retirement parachute.

Got popcorn?
Neil

 
 
Comment by postman
2007-12-30 06:52:17

this housing market in south florida is crazy. people are still holding on to 2005 prices. i meet people who really think this is just a blimp in the market. i am in boca, so you know what these crazy people think, look and act like.
just going to miami or even boynton is scary. so many condos coming in this year next.
i think it will take the end of 2008 for people to really start realizing that the housing bubble is over. i know people who is trying to sell from 400,000 to 700,000 and no one is looking. and living in east boca or east of 95 is 10x worse. go into any residential area and it is sale sign after sale sign. i can continue to tell people the amount of inventory coming in is amazing. once the banks let go of the foreclosures, it is on. lucky for me, my house was paid off once i moved in. i have rentals in durham, nc for duke students. i hate that my insurance is high, but i am loving winter down here.

it is always about long term investment and not short term fool’s gold.

south florida is the new atlantis!

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Comment by spike66
2007-12-30 06:59:47

south florida is the new atlantis!

Now that’s brilliant.

 
Comment by NotInMontana
2007-12-30 15:47:36

“this is just a blimp in the market’

yeah the Hindenberg..

 
 
Comment by Ann
2007-12-30 07:33:52

You are right about than.

Even Dan Marino is complaining why some idiot hasn’t bought his oversized money pit…

In Miami it isn’t worth buying any million dollar home/s..you get nothing for your money except a huge tax and insurance bill…

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Comment by arizonadude
2007-12-30 08:16:36

I just was watching the news and a reporter showed a picture of ron paul to a woman and asked who it was.Her reply, george bush.I just strated to laugh and relat it to the housing bubble.There are some really stupid and dissconnected americans out there.The same ones who bought homes in 2005 w/ neg. amortization arms.God hep this country.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Timmy Boy
2007-12-30 06:45:31

Just remember this the next time you’re tempted to buy any celeb’s record. Although they have crazy $$$ now… time will tell if technology puts a bit in their wallets….

Free downloads = no oceanfront mansion

Bwahahaha…..

Comment by Michael Fink
2007-12-30 06:53:58

Probably one of the best things that can happen to society is if these people stop making that kind of crazy money.

How many young lives have been thrown away chasing the dream of being a “balla” or a singer? Sports and entertainment continue to pull young Americans down the wrong path, trying to emulate the entertainers, rather then get an education and a good job.

Bit*h all you want about the Wall St goons, nobody ever threw their lives away getting an MBA at Harvard with the hopes of working on Wall St making 10M a year. If the Wall St thing doesn’t work out, you go work anywhere in the world and make a very comfortable salary. If the pro ball player thing doesn’t work out (and it only does for about 1 out of 10-100K or so), the alternative is slinging drugs in the ghetto (because you never learned anything in school, just played ball with the hopes of getting to the next level). Seems like a rather stupid risk to take, but all across the country people make that same choice over and over again. :(

Comment by ecojpr
2007-12-30 11:08:52

I see those volleyball / football / baseball wannabe stars in my classes from time to time. Sadly, they tend to fit all the stereotypes many have; they perform horribly. Often end up in my office with their coach trying “to work out a deal”. When I ask them about their contingency plans if they do not make it to the major leagues (very few do), all I get is a blank stare.

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Comment by bicoastal
2007-12-30 08:41:04

Thanks for the first big laugh of the day. Until I clicked on the link, I thought this was from The Onion!

‘Having failed to sell his Miami-area house for $25 million, Julio Iglesias razed it last month and plans to rebuild.’

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2007-12-30 08:50:41

Wow, the level of that big river in Egypt is still rising. I wonder when it will crest?

 
 
Comment by ahansen
2007-12-30 09:57:02

If the home was worth so little to Mr. Iglesias that he razed it, why would he be concerned that its not-selling price was “too cheap?” What a shameful waste of beautiful craftsmanship.

Comment by NeilT
2007-12-30 10:07:00

Because he is NOT going to give it away! :lol:

Comment by Earl The Vagabond
2007-12-31 07:41:13

Yes he will. He just doesn’t know it yet..

hehe

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Comment by Anon In DC
2007-12-30 12:23:56

What do you want to bet, that after the new house is completed he’ll try to sell that for multi millions ? It’s a free country he can do what he wants. More power to him he can pull it off. But I bet you can build a very impressive house for $3 - $4 million. Bet he asks for $30 million for the new place. For those of you who now Miami, is the land worth $25 million ? Hard to believe.

 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2007-12-30 06:50:04

Mission AcCOMPlished

“Even in places like The Country Club at Lakewood Ranch, prices have been drastically reduced. A banner outside one of the gates tells prospective buyers they can get into Neal’s Wexford community for $330,000. During the boom years, prices in that development were nearly twice that.”

Comment by NeilT
2007-12-30 08:31:01

Nice to see that those who lived by the COMPS are going to die by the COMPS.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2007-12-30 11:24:07

Sarasota down 40% from July 2005 peak says this realtor.

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20071230/REALESTATE/712300363

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2007-12-30 06:53:10

‘Having failed to sell his Miami-area house for $25 million, Julio Iglesias razed it last month and plans to rebuild.’

Razing the dead…

 
Comment by txchick57
2007-12-30 06:53:30

Oh, this is sweet. Haven’t I been reading for months now that Texas didn’t have a bubble and has escaped the downturn? I thought we were on the “appreciation/undervalued” list for 2008. What a load of BS

But she can’t sell her property in Texas, where the real estate market is tanking. So she rents and waits.”

“‘I moved to Charlotte because I wanted a better lifestyle,’ said the 41-year-old, who works in the mortgage lending industry and has had her Katy, Texas, home on the market for 22 months. ‘I have to eat the mortgage every month. It’s why I haven’t bought a house here.’”

Comment by Mugsy
2007-12-30 07:13:33

She works in the “mortgage ledning industry” to boot. Wonder how long she’ll be carrying that Texas mortgage when she’s on unemployment.

Comment by vmlinux
2007-12-30 07:53:00

I live in Amarllo TX and we had some larger than usual appreciation here, but by that I mean like 10 percent a year not some of the retard appreciation I’ve seen in other areas. We just bought a home and put 37 percent down as a down payment in cash and got a 15 year fixed mortgage. The house is in an older area that seems to stand the test of time, so I figure even if the market tanks I’m not buying a home to be an investment anyways it’s a place to live so it doesn’t matter what it’s future value is. I think that’s where so many people believe the hype that their home is an investment. It’s not an investment it’s an asset that historically appreciates with inflation. If you buy a house with cash or even some degree of leverage to rent that’s an investment. If you borrow to buy a house to flip that’s speculation the same way that borrowing to invest or put on a blackjack table is :).

The only people I’ve seen that stick around in the rehab industry over time are the ones that buy rehab homes with cash. They are a lot more methodical about the purchases when they are going to be seeing that money come out of their account at the end of the day.

Comment by NeilT
2007-12-30 08:29:46

“so I figure even if the market tanks I’m not buying a home to be an investment anyways it’s a place to live so it doesn’t matter what it’s future value is.”
I hear you. Still, it husrts a bit if a similar house becomes available for -10% six months from now. That is why even people who don’t consider house as an investment will want to wait for at least the second innings to begin before deciding how the game will end.

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Comment by arizonadude
2007-12-30 08:20:26

Maybe she better buy a pole for the liveing room and start to practice.22 months on the market is a joke.She will be eating more than her mortgage soon.

 
Comment by NeilT
2007-12-30 08:24:32

She could sell her property in TX if she auctioned it with a reserve price of $1. People love to garner sympathy by saying they can’t sell their properties while demanding unrealistic prices.

I recall reading a scholarly article (by a California professor-couple, named Smith) back in 2005 that said Dallas, Atlanta and Indianapolis were underpriced (forget bubble!). Boston was also a bit underpriced. I wonder what the wise professors are saying now.

Comment by Houstonstan
2007-12-30 11:10:56

Her place is in Katy and Katy’s existing house values have not appreciated. It is on I10 West out of Houston and it’s competition is from builders in new communities. They just keep building and there is a crap load of land still available.

Out there, I10 is a miserable drive. Come to think of it, Miserable Drive would be a good street name for anywhere in Katy. I hate the place. Souless.

 
 
Comment by flatffplan
2007-12-30 09:14:31

my SIL bought in Portland and has gained slightly after negotiating w the builder in 06-Portland is getting white or? flight from Corpus Christi
the builder changes the name of the same modle and raises the price !

 
 
Comment by Mugsy
2007-12-30 07:14:45

“‘We’re prepared for it to take 90 to 120 days,’ David Blake said. ‘We have equity, but we’re not going to give it away just because we have equity in the home.’”

Tell me there aren’t this many stupid people in our country! Talk about “begging the question”.

Comment by ChrisInBirmingham
2007-12-30 08:38:01

I also liked how this couple made money on a prior condo and now have savings to weather the slow market…well at least until end of January when the FB says he’ll be worried if it hasn’t sold by then… These people are just a laugh a minute. I love the personal story articles. It’s what keeps me coming back to this group for over 2 years. Pure comedy.

 
 
Comment by ylekiot1
2007-12-30 07:17:32

OT - Received a call yesterday from a R-eality-nor on a house I have had my eye on since October. It has fallen out of escrow at least once. She wanted to let me know the house price was dropped and wanted to know if I was interested. The price decrease, 2k, house price, 190k. A whole 1% drop! What a deal! Sarcasm off.

Comment by ChrisInBirmingham
2007-12-30 08:42:10

You just aren’t looking at it the way the FB and realtor see it. You’re saving $21k! See they think real estate goes up at least 10% a year and you’re getting that $19k increase as a bonus plus another $2k the FB threw in for good measure to really entice a fence sitter like you.

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2007-12-30 07:38:34

“‘We are the only house in Phase 2,’ Kunz says. ‘We are kind of out here by ourselves.’”

This is a good one to stash away: be careful in new ‘hoods. Anyone that buys MACs regularly knows that you don’t buy Rev1 unless you have the patience for price drops and hardware/software fixes. I am willing to pay a premium for an established neighborhood. The problem, like here in Florida, is every neighborhood now littered with ‘For-Sale’ signs. I say this is going to be another nasty legacy of the bubble: the concept of ‘neighborhood’ no longer applies; your house is just a place to hang your hat while you bag 20%/yr. and then it’s off to N.C.

I’m getting tired of the grass-is-greener-lemmings, particularly boomers. Calm down, stay put and quit pillaging the countryside. Yes boomer, you’re changing the world for sure, man.

Comment by Diamond Bob
2007-12-30 09:30:44

Well said. Folks need to calm down a little. It’s amazing how people will bust their humps frantically chasing after a big payday only to then turn around and squander that money on stupid, needless stuff. Hey, if you’re smarter with your spending, you won’t need to earn as much dough. Slow down and smell the roses. We only go around once (as far as I know).

Comment by NotInMontana
2007-12-30 16:02:32

I wish somebody would do a study of all the stupid boomers following their dream by going into businesses for themselves and making a total botch of their careers/finances/marriages, making macrame owls or selling aromatherapy products or whatnot. And oh, don’t let spousy quit their job because then you’d lose medical etc. Or the cyclist who buys a bike store and never has time to ride, skier with the ski shop who can’t ski anymore, B&B owners who have to work 20 hrs a day..

Sometimes your daydream is best left a..daydream.

 
 
Comment by fran chise
2007-12-30 18:36:31

Yes, you can pretty well tell what type of person you are dealing with by asking them one question; Did the world improve during the 1960’s?

 
Comment by fran chise
2007-12-30 18:43:50

Yes, you can pretty much tell what kind of person you are dealing with by asking one question: Did the world get better because of the 1960’s?

 
 
Comment by montana jim
2007-12-30 07:56:22

“The posh Grand Clubhouse was never built, and the fitness center consists of little more than a gaping hole…”

At least they were smart enough to quit digging…

Comment by scdave
2007-12-30 09:21:00

“The posh Grand Clubhouse was never built, and the fitness center consists of little more than a gaping hole…”

Obviously no bonding requirements….You won’t see that in Cali…..Tough DRE completion requirements on infrastructure and HOA common area….That’s why you will see tracts of land with completed streets etc. but no houses…They are bonded prior to grading permit being issued…

 
 
Comment by FP
2007-12-30 08:05:03

“The condominium is worth less than when he bought it four years ago. And he took out a home equity loan to pay off debt. ‘It’s crazy. I would have to choose to lose money,’ said the 34-year-old. ‘I’m kind of stuck.’”

I wonder how many people used HELOCS to pay off Credit Card Debt, but ran up their cards again.

I know a few people (young) that maxxed out their credit cards and had to pay it off slowly thru credit counseling. It really taught them a lesson. They are very smart financially from here on out.

Now these people that used their house as an ATM haven’t is a different story. With the Government bailing these people out, they’ll never learn a thing.

Comment by GH
2007-12-30 08:33:01

I doubt we will ever see much of a bailout effort, so lots of lesson learning this time around. But hey it is not like they borrowed from some guy who will come and break their legs. They will just get bled with wage garnishments and liens for a decade of so.

 
Comment by Home_a_Loan
2007-12-30 09:11:19

“The condominium is worth less than when he bought it four years ago. And he took out a home equity loan to pay off debt. ‘It’s crazy. I would have to choose to lose money,’ said the 34-year-old. ‘I’m kind of stuck.’”

What kind of thinking is this? He spent money, presumably on credit cards, on who-knows-what. But if he has to actually pay for what he spent then he’s “choosing to lose money”??? Didn’t he lose the money when he spent it?

 
 
Comment by Lisa
2007-12-30 09:46:03

“It’s crazy. I would have to choose to lose money,’ said the 34-year-old. ‘I’m kind of stuck.’”

This is why sales & prices will be in the toilet for years. First time buyers will find it ever more difficult & expensive to qualify for a mortage, and FB’s don’t have any equity to trade up or over.

 
Comment by tcm_guy
2007-12-30 09:54:14

‘A home worth $200,000 had a market value of $400,000 in a very short time, which any reasonable person knows shouldn’t happen. There was a tremendous spike in value and people bought like drunken sailors,’

With every passing week, more and more people are being quoted in the news saying things that HBBers have been saying for some years now.

It may take a while for people to start getting quoted saying something like “now is not the time to have two mortgage payments. Do not buy a house until you sell your other house”. This last gem of wisdom will be too late for people who can not think for themselves, like these two:

David and Jeanine Blake find themselves on both sides of the selling fence.

One lesson learned from this housing fiasco is how many people (even some very intelligent folks, including the highly educated with advanced degrees) are not able to think for themselves; they need authoritative MSM talking heads to do all of their thinking for them.

Got 10% down?

Comment by diogenes (Tampa,Fl)
2007-12-30 10:43:04

Intelligence is no match for uncontrollable animal instincts……….They thought they could make a killing in the real estate market.
It’s hard to make logical decisions when your emotions are telling you that you just can’t loose.

 
 
Comment by Peter Bodziony
2007-12-30 09:55:24

It is funny how people hold out for the peak bubble price thinking that a market rebound is just around the corner. They are riding the market down without realizing it . I remember during the last housing bust of the 90’s my neighbor’s house was for sale for five years. He started with a price of $300,000 and ended up selling in 1997 at the very bottom at $211,000.

Comment by NeilT
2007-12-30 10:13:11

This phenomenon is well known in equity markets. Contrary to commonsense, quite a few sellers wait and wait and ride all the way to the bottom.

 
 
Comment by Anon
2007-12-30 10:29:04

Iglesias bought the property in 1978 for about $650,000 and renovated the house.

Here’s an Econ 101 course for those still in denial. If incomes rise by 300% over 30 years then house prises rise by 300% not by 4000%.

Comment by Patriotic Bear
2007-12-30 17:08:23

Yeah but he can sing well and is a celebrity. That makes him a realestate expert doesn’t it?

Comment by fran chise
2007-12-30 18:42:12

Yes, but, they can say they live in this celebrities house. Sort of like what happens if you have a house featured in Coastal Living or Better Homes or whatever. The price is disproportionate to value to be able to say “My house was featured in [fill in the blank].

 
 
 
Comment by Wes
2007-12-30 10:57:31

“‘We’re prepared for it to take 90 to 120 days,’ David Blake said. ‘We have equity, but we’re not going to give it away just because we have equity in the home.’”

Asshats like this need to realize that equity doesn’t exist until the property is sold. One just needs to remember the millionaires of Pets.com, but when the bottom fell out, there was no one there to buy what was once a million dollars in stock. Hence, it’s worthless, just like this guy’s house.

Anyone in Tampa that buys a house before selling the old one gets what he/she deserves. The market is more dead than General Lee and is going to stay like this until at least 2010.

Comment by Incredulous
2007-12-30 11:18:42

Driving through south Tampa today, from Swann to Gandy, and in and out of side streets, I was astounded to see how many houses have been built, literally, between houses, so that everywhere people are crammed together like swarming insects. I did not find a single place, other than a few houses on Bayshore, where even a normal size yard existed, and the feeling of being squashed was really unpleasant. This is progress? Do people really need to cluster for security or to feel like they belong? Does anyone know of anywhere in Tampa where people still have yards, and crowding isn’t the norm? Maybe I need to move out West where there are still open spaces and views worthy of the word.

Comment by Blacque Jacques Shellacque
2007-12-30 11:25:50

…I was astounded to see how many houses have been built, literally, between houses, so that everywhere people are crammed together like swarming insects. I did not find a single place, other than a few houses on Bayshore, where even a normal size yard existed, and the feeling of being squashed was really unpleasant.

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Maybe I need to move out West where there are still open spaces and views worthy of the word.

Stay away from San Francisco.

Comment by Incredulous
2007-12-30 12:20:24

Is San Francisco worse? Remember, this is Tampa, which has almost no natural beauty to begin with, no history, no culture, no native foods. It’s flat as a pancake and about as imaginative, with incredibly high temperatures and steam room humidity. Also, our streets are very, very narrow with on-street parking everywhere, so two cars going in opposite directions cannot pass one another; one as to pull over behind some parked vehicle to let the other pass, over and over, down every block. It’s absolutely frustrating.

It wasn’t always like this; in fact, it wasn’t like this fifteen years ago. How this city and its politicians could allow such massive over-construction and crowding is beyond me. I understand the state legislature picked Tampa as one of two Florida cities to persue dense inner-core concentrations, for no discernable reason. Well, now we have it, so what’s the next move? I think every local developer should be run out of town, and every local real estate agent put on trial for crimes against humanity.

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Comment by speedingpullet
2007-12-30 12:27:24

Or Westside L.A.
A large proportion of the places have ‘back houses’, taking up the lion’s share of the yard.

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Comment by NotInMontana
2007-12-30 16:15:22

I grew up in LA in houses-behind-houses on flag lots. Even then, we still had our little yards. I don’t think anyone cared what happened to the place back then, it was just money-making. But here in Missoula they’ve been encouraging infill development because supports the “smart growth” and “new urbanism” ideology. They want everyone clustered together like a French village surrounded by scenic farmsland - only here it’s just hayfields & noxious weeds.

 
 
 
Comment by Paul in Jax
2007-12-30 11:01:30

“The real estate boom that peaked in 2005 contributed to Southwest Florida’s unprecedented foreclosure rates in 2007, say real estate professionals and county officials.”

NOW you tell us the market peaked in 2005. Hey, thanks. I defy anyone to show me a quote from a real estate professional or county official in Florida before 12/31/05 which says, “We’ve already peaked.” Can’t be done.

Comment by Professor Bear
2007-12-30 12:58:54

They can only see it through the rear view mirror two years too late.

 
 
Comment by geeah
2007-12-30 11:29:30

Editor missed something in this one:

“Real estate agent Nick Davis in Wesley Chapel, said he is seeing an uptick in sales, as long as clients are willing to drop their asking prices. Part of the reason homes are taking longer to sell, he said, is that homeowners don’t want to accept that homes aren’t appreciating like they did during the housing boom.”

 
Comment by Fecaltime!
2007-12-30 12:05:12

“‘We’re prepared for it to take 90 to 120 days,’ David Blake said. ‘We have equity, but we’re not going to give it away just because we have equity in the home.’”

Yes you damn well will “Give” your “equity” away or we will just bleed you over time with mortgage payments in your vacant & rapidly depreciating “investment”.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2007-12-30 12:57:42

“October’s 1,700 sales are still down 30 percent from the same month last year when 2,419 homes sold. In October 2005, 3,735 homes sold.”

Obvious conclusion: Prices are falling much too slowly to keep the remaining qualified buyers interested.

 
Comment by Hazard
2007-12-30 13:05:35

Chattanooga - yes know the area very, very well. My sister lives in Bradley county. It is a beautiful place to live. But no jobs to speak of. At one time the Chattanooga area was very industrial, lots of things going on. Not today, just a service job mentality, selling RE to each other, working at WalMart, etc.

And political corruption, the entire place reeks of it. Those folks could teach Chicago and NO a few new tricks.

The RE market is relatively dead there. Lots (and I mean MANY) of empty houses, speculation, investor type things. Yep, the south is slow to catch on but sooner or later they get the dregs, reinforced tripple.

Comment by NotInMontana
2007-12-30 16:17:38

Hey I heard Chattanooga was a hot retirement community!

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2007-12-30 14:05:22

“‘We’re prepared for it to take 90 to 120 days,’ David Blake said. ‘We have equity, but we’re not going to give it away just because we have equity in the home.’”

The thing is, David, I’m prepared to wait as long for as it takes for greedheads like you to cave in. Time is on our side, not yours.

Comment by Buckeye
2007-12-31 03:23:25

Their home will sell eventually…once its in foreclosure.

 
 
Comment by Paul in Jax
2007-12-30 15:02:12

Just noticed something very strange on the tube: the Daytona 500 (less than 2 months away) is advertising ticket sales. The Daytona 500, buying an expensive NFL Sunday TV message (even if a local slot) to sell tickets. Very interesting.

Speaking of peaking - looks like NASCAR may be the “sport” most closely tied to housing bubble, as it also peaked in 2005 or 2006.

 
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