It’s Like A Downward Spiral
A report from The Real Deal on Florida. “The Related Group has shut down its Auberge Residences & Spa Miami project and returned buyers’ deposits amid a sluggish condo market, sources told The Real Deal. Related launched the development in February 2016, just as sales were slowing in Miami’s preconstruction condo market. As of April 2016, Auberge had reserved 20 percent of its units, Related vice president Jon Paul Perez said a year ago. But according to a second-quarter 2016 report from ISG, sales for the project stood at 15 percent. Auberge is among the South Florida projects that have gone kaput due to failing presales. Peter Zalewski, principal of Cranespotters, said five projects have been revised, canceled or put on hold so far this year. That includes H3 Hollywood, which will go to foreclosure auction later this month.”
“The sluggish and sometimes stagnant market has led some developers to provide incentives to brokers in their efforts to sell out a building. Last month, Related unleashed a slew of incentives for its Paraiso condo towers, including free maintenance for a year on new contracts signed by March 31, and offered 30 percent deposits, rather than the standard 50 percent. Commissions at Paraiso were already raised to 8 percent to 10 percent, depending on the tower, far above the original 5 percent. ‘None of them want to cut prices,’ Zalewski said. ‘Once you start the price reduction, it’s like a downward spiral.’”
The New York Times. “Airbnb, the short-term home rental service that began operations eight years ago and is now valued at $31 billion, estimates that there are 46,000 hosts statewide, with more than 45,000 active listings in New York City alone. At her primary residence, the two-family house in Clinton Hill, Tatiana Cames said an apartment she offered for rent sat vacant for months before she listed it on Airbnb, because she could not find a long-term tenant. ‘All these high-rises that went up recently made a total glut,’ she said. ‘Owner concessions are increasing every month, offering four months, five months free’ and making it harder for small-time landlords like her to compete.’”
The Princeton Echo in New Jersey. “After a contentious approval process featuring a citizen group lawsuit, Avalon Princeton began moving tenants last August into its large-scale complex occupying the former Princeton Hospital site at the corner of Witherspoon Street and Franklin Avenue. All 280 dwelling units are scheduled for completion this year. Of those completed more than 50 percent are occupied or leased. ‘We are where we expected to be at this time in terms of both leasing velocity and the pricing of the leases,’ says Ron Ladell, senior vice president.”
“Really? Last May when the first units were just coming online, Avalon Princeton released floor plans with monthly rent for studios starting at $2,213, one-bedroom apartments from $2,655, and two-bedroom apartments from $3,235. The three-bedroom units and townhomes had not yet been priced. Now, nearly a year later the website indicates that the same model studios are starting at $1,780, one-bedrooms from $1,865, and two-bedrooms from $2,795 — substantial reductions.”
“Dianne Bleacher, a Callaway Henderson real estate agent in town since 1975, also believes that the rental market is softer than usual at this time of year. ‘It’s not dire,’ she says, noting that traditionally the busiest months of the rental season are May and June. ‘But it will be an interesting summer.’ Bleacher also notes that there are more single family houses than usual for rent. ‘They usually sell,’ she says. ‘Some landlords may have to soften their prices a little.’”
From Bisnow on Washington DC. “The rapid construction of DC apartment buildings will reach its peak this quarter, with a record number of units expected to deliver throughout the DC Metro area. This has created an extremely competitive environment among landlords, especially in the most supply-heavy submarkets like Capitol Riverfront. The second quarter is projected to have 6,914 rental units deliver throughout the DC Metro area, according to Delta Associates’ Q1 report. Of those, 3,440 will deliver in the District, 1,995 in suburban Maryland and 1,519 in NoVa.”
“Grosvenor’s Jon Carr said the prospective tenants who tour the building often look at three or four other Capitol Riverfront apartments in the same day, but he also sees competition from other popular neighborhoods like 14th Street and H Street. ‘It’s a little unfortunate all of this coming in this spurt,’ Carr said of the neighborhood’s delivery surge.”
The San Francisco Chronicle in California. “The news: Year-over-year, San Francisco rents are down. This fact seems uncontested, and is in itself a novel phenomenon worthy of report. The confusion starts when we try to pinpoint exactly how far rent has come down. San Francisco, meanwhile, ’saw the biggest year-over-year rent drop in the nation for March, decreasing 4.3 percent over the year.’ Rent Café posits that this is the second month in a row that San Francisco has had the nation’s biggest year-over-year drop in rent prices. Interestingly, four other Bay Area cities made this decreased year-over-year rent list: Fremont, Santa Clara, Oakland and Sunnyvale.”
The Victoria Advocate in Texas. “Apartment rental rates are down 6 percent from last year, according to a study conducted by Apartments List. Apartment List’s data, which goes back to 2014, shows the rental rate in Victoria during the past three years has been flat, said Chris Salviati, organization data analyst. At this time last year, prices were increasing, he said. Prices started to decrease in April 2016. ‘Over the past month and January and February data, we saw some slightly bigger decreases,’ he said. ‘In the longer-term trend, things are definitely trending downward. It may recover a bit over the next month or two, but I think the longer-term trend we’re seeing in the Victoria area is definitely down.’”
“Rhonda Griffin, All Star Properties property manager, manages about 130 rental spaces, including single-family homes and four-plexes. The rental rates for the four-plex units are down 18 percent from last year, she said, and houses are down 12 percent. Last year, a two-bedroom, one-bath apartment was about $795 a month. The same size apartment is now about $650.”
“‘We were not getting any calls,’ Ross said. ‘I think the market was flooded with what else was out there. When things started suffering, I was preparing my owners that we may have to reduce the rents to get it leased. We’ve been in that process the last two years.’”
‘Owner concessions are increasing every month, offering four months, five months free’
‘The rental rates for the four-plex units are down 18 percent from last year, she said, and houses are down 12 percent…’When things started suffering, I was preparing my owners that we may have to reduce the rents to get it leased. We’ve been in that process the last two years.’
So while all these rent data companies are mentioning tiny little decreases here and there, we can see the reductions are multiples higher and have been going on for years. With hundreds of thousands of units on the way.
Apartment 403 has been vacant for over a month now, and it’s one of the nicer units in the building.
The pot smell from your apartment is just overwhelming and your tinder dates are scary. LOL
LOL!
“Apartment 403 has been vacant for over a month now…”
Get ready for a Section8, Medicaid, SNAP card mom with a noisy, variety-pack, brood.
There was one like that in 301 a few years ago, the grandmom, not the mom, and she babysat multiple grandkids every weekday and made alot of noise. So I called the property management (not the onsite building manager) and told them she was running an unlicensed daycare in the apartment.
The noise stopped. And she moved out without renewing the lease.
Variety pack”
Deworsification
Indeed, no pride whatsoever.
How is that chick in Apartment 301?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7Jvsbcxunc
Ventura, CA Housing Prices Crater 11% YoY
http://www.movoto.com/ventura-ca/market-trends/
Seems like a day for calling bluffs.
What say you, dan? (not making fun here, I’m interested in your take on it) 150,000 Chinese troops on the NoKo border. Deal or no deal?
It is not for an invasion. It might be to keep the North Koreans within their country if a strike leads to a coup or a revolution. For the Chinese to brush a side the North Koreans they would want a lot more men.
“As of April 2016, Auberge had reserved 20 percent of its units, Related vice president Jon Paul Perez said a year ago. But according to a second-quarter 2016 report from ISG, sales for the project stood at 15 percent.”
So they lied by only 5%. OK, they fibbed a little. OTOH, good on ‘em for giving the deposits back. However, Related is a major player in South Florida. If they’re waving the white flag, that’s a big red flag.
re will never drop nationwide !!!”
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‘‘We are where we expected to be at this time in terms of both leasing velocity and the pricing of the leases,’ says Ron Ladell, senior vice president.’
‘Really?’
‘None of them want to cut prices,’ Zalewski said. ‘Once you start the price reduction, it’s like a downward spiral.’
Here’s the thing Peter. I’ve already documented a nearly 50% loss on a Miami Beach condo resale. I’m pretty sure anyone looking at these airboxes knows there’s major blood in the water. Yet there are still posters here that think we should just take these people at their word.
“Grosvenor’s Jon Carr said the prospective tenants who tour the building often look at three or four other Capitol Riverfront apartments in the same day, but he also sees competition from other popular neighborhoods like 14th Street and H Street. ‘It’s a little unfortunate all of this coming in this spurt,’ Carr said of the neighborhood’s delivery surge.”
It’s called getting ahead of the competition ‘Jon’.
Now get to slashing and be quick about it.
Landloarding is for VERY deep pocketed individuals. At least the successful types.
San Francisco has had the nation’s biggest year-over-year drop in rent prices. Interestingly, four other Bay Area cities made this decreased year-over-year rent list: Fremont, Santa Clara, Oakland and Sunnyvale.”
Mountain View, CA Rental Rates Crater 8% YoY
https://www.zillow.com/mountain-view-ca/home-values/
“At her primary residence, the two-family house in Clinton Hill, Tatiana Cames said an apartment she offered for rent sat vacant for months before she listed it on Airbnb, because she could not find a long-term tenant.”
At what rent level?
This is a historic neighborhood that was considered dicey only a decade or so ago. I doubt Tatiana would be willing to rent it at a price either of my children or their friends could afford.
Exactly.
‘Owner concessions are increasing every month, offering four months, five months free’ and making it harder for small-time landlords like her to compete.’
So why is it that the small time landlords can’t undercut them? Sounds like they are trying to keep the monthly number artificially high…should be easy to beat. Or is the problem that the customers care more about the concessions than the monthly number?
When all these apartment units get listed on AirBnB, they will dilute that market too.
Tight housing markets in secondary cities will keep prices moving up? Iet that the biggest markets may be nearing bubbles. But is that true in a majority of markets?
http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/article143634064.html
some on the bb think KS is bad due to low taxes
why would re be perky there when you get go to NJ,CT NY,IL,WI and get taxed up the wazoo?
My economic observations from the ground.
Local gym owner of multiple locations said that SUGuy people don’t have $20 per month extra for gym membership.
My friend who is the biggest (38 years) carpet cleaning company in Rockland County NY says that his regular customers do not have money for carpet jobs. He works in a more upscale area than Syracuse, NY.
Our dealers in the West Coast are complaining that people are not pulling the trigger on jobs.
A concrete pouring guy who had 40 guys working in New Haven County CT poured only 3 houses last year. The architect who see the plans in Feb for building have not seen those this year either.
Local trucking companies have not seen a major improvement since Trump presidency.
We see our receivable piling up.
Question: Are we in a depression??
There’s a bunch of rinse and repeat buyers I know coming back on-line just in time to repeat their ills of 2005-2007.
‘Auberge is among the South Florida projects that have gone kaput due to failing presales. Peter Zalewski, principal of Cranespotters, said five projects have been revised, canceled or put on hold so far this year’
This is at least 1,000 who won’t be working that would have. Add in the materials, even more. We’ve seen condo/apartment tower cancellations in Boston, NYC, Chicago and Milwaukee. Commercial real estate is big enough to drag the economy into recession.
I wonder why nobody can scrape together $20/month for a gym membership?
Still think grossly inflated prices are good for anyone?
If you ask me, it’s more of a depression thing. They have the $20 but they don’t have the motivation. That $20 probably goes to a bottle of Jack.
Yep, although in my neck of the woods the gyms are used pretty heavily and they charge 50-75/mo. Tons of brand new jacked up trucks on the road lately too, with 20 somethings driving them who probably wouldnt be able to afford them when theyre twice that age. I wonder if after the crash there will be laws passed to bar repo men from taking these vehicles as people will be living in them - theyre big enough - and it will be analogous to the last crisis where govt rolled out all sorts of programs to keep people in their homes, instead this time it will be their cars.
Payless shoes going out of business. This is after Sears and Sports Authority. Kmart is up next, to be followed by Macys. Wall street is living it up while main street is on life support.
To be fair the retailers you listed have been circling the drain for years. Only Macy’s really had a ways to fall, but I suspect that their mover to attract downmarket customers will hasten their demise.
I think this is what I see.
1. Top .2% have it all. Even if they make mistake gobmint makes them whole.
2. Next Top 2% riding the gravy train off .2%
3. The Top 10% who serve the 2% and .2% have plenty, but work is rough.
4. Rest 88% have it tough. They can’t afford a job loss, or medical bill, or loss in housing price or loss in 401k.
4. Next 38% have it tough. They can’t afford a job loss, or medical bill, or loss in housing price or loss in 401k.
5. Remaining 50% - they have no hope, no prospects and frankly don’t give a $hit
“We see our receivable piling up.”
I lived this exact scenario. I offered to settle for half, and most of ‘em took the bait. I called it quits because my insurance costs were rising too. Re-entered junior college and later the university.
5 bubbles have popped?
farm
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auto
student
art
ready to pop?
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stawks n bonds
Denver is unaffordable:
http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/news/2017/04/07/youll-need-a-big-raise-to-pay-for-denver-rent.html
After months of looking for a home, Alaina Donofrio recently bought a 700-square-foot, one-bedroom house in Denver. Hoping to dissuade rival bidders, she agreed to pay $18,000 above the seller’s $308,000 asking price.
That wasn’t all she had to do.
Donofrio also surrendered the right to back out of the contract if a home inspection turned up any major problem. And she agreed not to ask the seller to make any repairs. She also pushed back the closing date to give the seller more time to move.
“Basically I’m buying it as-is,” said Donofrio, a 45-year-old database administrator. “It was really difficult to find something in the price range I wanted and where I wanted. It’s pure luck that it did.”
First time poster, longtime lurker. I remember awhile back someone posted a “how to chart” on how to “actually” read zillow market values. Does anyone know what I’m talking about? If you have it would you re-post it? Thanks!
Getting ready to buy a house?
We are on the sidelines right now. Patiently waiting. I have a realtor that is in my ear telling me the market is only going up. Wanted to educate him.
BTW Ben really appreciate this blog.
I’ve frequently been accused of being a cheerleader, and I wouldn’t buy today.
However, I don’t think we’ll see the downleg until housing starts have gone up further (1.5-1.6MM for a while).
That doesn’t mean prices won’t ever go down…it just means that there are more acts to play out before they do.
Race Bannon, Karen, can you help out?
Hey Donk.
Here is Karen’s excellent explanation:
Real Zillow by Karen
Thank you Tarara! Exactly what I was looking for.
Miami Beach, FL Rental Rates Crater 12% YoY
https://www.zillow.com/miami-beach-fl/home-values/
One of the puppets is challenging one of the puppet masters.
NOTE: Autoplay video in addition to article.
This Is What Dimon and Kashkari Are Really Fighting About
Bloomberg
by Peter Coy
April 10, 2017, 11:40 AM EDT
On April 6, Kashkari went after Dimon in a way that circumspect central bankers ordinarily don’t. In an essay published on Medium and republished on the Minneapolis Fed website, he challenged Dimon’s assertion in his annual letter to shareholders that 1) there’s no longer a risk that taxpayers will be stuck with the bill if a big bank fails, and 2) banks have too much capital (meaning an unnecessarily thick safety cushion). Wrote Kashkari: “Both of these assertions are demonstrably false.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-10/kashkari-slams-dimon-in-the-battle-over-bank-capital
I like Kashkari’s solution for “too big to fail”…massive increases in capital requirements for the largest banks.
Oldie but Goldie with added commentary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPIxrzmatq0
can bankers be held accountable for duping folks and making them pay grossly inflated prices?
Lol. You should do standup.
why do u sheep keep fighting rising asset prices?
Kensington, MD Housing Prices Crater 7% YoY
http://www.movoto.com/md/20895/market-trends/
anyone gonna buy the 20 pt dip today?
So far, over years of frequent flier miles, this has not happened to me. Note to self: Avoid ever flying UAL.
MarketWatch
Why you, too, could get dragged off a plane if the airline overbooks your flight
By Kari Paul
Published: Apr 10, 2017 3:19 p.m. ET
‘Your regular civil rights don’t apply when you’re on an airplane,’ according to consumer-rights group
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Video: Passenger dragged down aisle of overbooked United Airlines flight after refusing to exit
Filed under Airlines at 22 hrs ago
Written by Conor Shine, Aviation Writer
United Airlines faced a blistering wave of social media criticism on Monday after a man was forcibly removed and dragged through the aisle of a plane by law enforcement officers after he refused to give up his seat on a Louisville-bound flight.
The incident, caught on video by multiple passengers, occurred Sunday evening on board United Flight 3411 from Chicago to Louisville. United said it needed to remove four passengers from the already-boarded plane to make room for employees who were traveling to work on a different flight.
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Forgot about this UAL public relations fiasco years ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Breaks_Guitars#Stock_price_effect
Will South Park do a spoof of Chinese people being thrown off planes while in air?
Someone has finally figured it out!
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Is buying a house like buying a lottery ticket?
By Liz Weston
Published: Apr 11, 2017 4:56 a.m. ET
Geography: another kind of wealth inequality
This article is reprinted by permission from NerdWallet.
The same week legendary investor Warren Buffett put his California vacation house on the market, a friend told me her widowed mother had sold the family home in Cleveland.
Buffett bought his Laguna Beach place in 1971 for $150,000 and is asking $11 million. My friend’s parents bought their home for $24,500 in 1965 and just sold it for $104,000. Put another way: If Buffett gets his asking price, his house will have appreciated at an annual rate of 9.79%. The Cleveland house eked out a 2.82% annual return.
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can u make a beer run for me to get some fresh stone in escondido?
Ca home prices are leveraged bigtime. How much of the future can u take to live large today?
everyone is leveraging all this future growth that is just not happening.