April 26, 2017

Where Any Fool Who Wants To Buy Can Buy

A report from the Los Angeles Times in California. “Bidding wars are common and prices are rising during the popular spring buying season. A report out Tuesday from CoreLogic shows the Southern California median home price jumped 7.1% in March from a year earlier, hitting $480,000 in the six-county area. And despite low inventory, sales rose 7.8%. When Elizabeth Rodriguez and her husband realized that the market was white-hot in the Northeast L.A. burbs where they wanted to raise their three children, they devised a strategy. The couple began writing a ‘love letter’ to sellers describing how much they wanted the house. And then they bid over asking — way, way over asking.”

“In one case, they offered $102,000 above the $798,000 list price for a three-bedroom Spanish-style home in Mount Washington. The house sold to someone else for $985,000. ‘After that I was like, this is insane,’ said the 35-year-old mother of three. The couple bid on 11 homes, she said, before they finally purchased a three-bedroom in the hills of Glassell Park listed at $799,900. To seal the deal, they again bid about $100,000 over asking, this time before an open house was held. ‘It was a crazy process,’ Rodriguez said. ‘I’m glad we are on the other side of it.’”

The Union Tribune. “The San Diego County median home price reached $515,000 in March, its highest point in a decade and a 7.7 percent increase in a year, CoreLogic reported. The median price had been below half a million dollars since October last year, which had some analysts surmising costs had hit an affordability wall. But, the March numbers show some buyers are willing to go higher to get homes. ‘Home prices are going up faster than household incomes,’ said Mark Goldman, finance and real estate lecturer at San Diego State University.”

“Many analysts, including Goldman, say the market is not heading for a housing bubble because the last crash was built on riskier loans. ‘I don’t see any speculative value in the market. We’re seeing very cautious underwriting when it comes to appraisals,’ he said. ‘Even though people are anxious to get into the market, it’s not one of those markets where any fool who wants to buy can buy.’”

The LA Daily News. “If you want to buy a home in the San Fernando Valley, make sure you’ve got money — lots of it. The median price of a home in the area hit $671,500 — the highest ever on record for March. The last time a home’s median cost — the price at which half the homes are less and half are more – was this high in the area it was June 2007, when the housing bubble was about to burst and the median was $655,000, according to the Southland Regional Association of Realtors report.”

“The new median price number for March was up 13.3 percent from a year ago, and was a definite leap from most of 2016, when the median price was stuck in the $600,000s, according to the association. Back then, buyers resisted paying more, and the ‘pool’ of buyers who could afford such prices had constricted.”

“But the new numbers are in another galaxy compared to the low point not so long ago. Just take March 2011, after the bubble had burst in the midst of the Great Recession: The median cost of a single-family home in the San Fernando Valley was $370,000, according to the association. And if you go way back to March 1998, the median price of a single-family home in the San Fernando Valley was a whopping $180,000.”

From KRON-TV. “In San Francisco and San Mateo Counties, a family of four making $105,350 or less is now considered low income by the federal government Department of Housing and Urban Development. That means they can qualify for affordable housing. ‘They are eligible now to apply for housing through the local housing authority, be it Section 8, be it public housing, or other HUD-subsidized programs,’ HUD Regional Public Affairs Officer and Homeless Liaison Ed Cabrera told KRON-TV.”

“The income limits in the Bay Area are the highest of any area in the country, Cabrera said. In neighboring Santa Clara County, low income starts at $84,000. Contra Costa County is at about $80,000. For Napa, it is $74,000. And for Solano, it is $64,000.”

The San Francisco Chronicle. “California dreaming? Hardly. Mattresses on sidewalks, moving vans in driveways and hasty garage sales hint at a trend Bay Area residents have long suspected – exodus. Real estate brokerage site Redfin released its annual ‘migration report’ and found that those residing in San Francisco Metro are the most likely to leave. The catalyst for moving – high housing costs – should surprise no one.”

“San Francisco recorded the highest ‘net outflow’ – the number of potential homebuyers looking to move to San Francisco Metro subtracted from the number of those who want to leave. The region’s outflow was double that of New York.”

The Marin Independent Journal. “The California Association of Realtors reported Monday that pending sales in the Bay Area were down in March for the sixth straight month on a year-over-year basis. Redfin’s new report shows the San Francisco metro area has the highest ‘net outflow’ of users: 15,087. That figure is the difference between the number of potential homebuyers who want to move to the San Francisco metro area and the number who want to leave it; a lot more want to leave than come.”

“New York had the second highest ‘net outflow,’ followed by Los Angeles, Washington, D.C., and Chicago.”

The Coachella Valley Independent. “Despite a growing economy and decreasing unemployment, the homeless population in the Coachella Valley is expanding—at an alarming rate. The annual Riverside County ‘point in time’ count in January showed the homeless population had increased from 1,351 unsheltered and 814 sheltered individuals in 2016, to 1,638 unsheltered and 775 sheltered in 2017.”

“The Coachella Valley cities had 297 homeless individuals in 2016—and 425 individuals in 2017. Another alarming fact: The number of homeless individuals locally without shelter is about to rise, because Roy’s Resource Center, the only shelter for the homeless on the west end of the Coachella Valley, is slated to close at the end of June. The beleaguered facility in North Palm Springs is shutting its doors largely because some local city governments have not been paying their share to keep Roy’s financially solvent.”

“The closure will undoubtedly lead to a significant increase in the number of unsheltered homeless—at the time of year when shelter is needed most. ‘We just had a ‘point in time’ count, and it shows that if we look at the nine valley cities, the increase in homelessness in the Coachella Valley is 43 percent: We went from 297 to 425. That’s huge. If Roy’s closes down, and we have no provision for the 90 people it currently houses, the increase is even more dramatic, because we’re talking about going from 297 to 515, and that’s crazy,’ said Sabby Jonathan, the mayor pro tem of Palm Desert.”

From KQED News. “Augie Cortez and his wife, Blanca, bought a little slice of the American Dream about 17 years ago in Bloomington, a working-class community in San Bernardino about 50 miles east of Los Angeles. Their roomy four-bedroom house was the very first on the block of a brand-new subdivision not unlike scores of others that began carpeting Inland Southern California toward the end of the 1990s. The Cortezes gathered up their savings and managed to put up a healthy down payment on a 15-year mortgage. After a couple of other home purchasing efforts collapsed, they were eager to make this one stick and they wanted to pay it off fast.”

“Monthly payments would be high. But the name of the little cul-de-sac seemed like a good omen: Dream Street. And for a while, the dream was good. With so much homebuilding going on, it was easy for just about anyone to get a mortgage back then, even if you had shaky credit or no job at all. Low-income minority neighborhoods like the ones around Dream Street were ripe targets for subprime lenders.”

“Augie and his wife had a sound conventional loan, but still got dragged under in a housing crisis that would ultimately steamroll through neighborhoods across the country. In 2006, the last of the brand-new homes on Dream Street sold for about $430,000. Three years later, at the peak of the mortgage meltdown, the same home was worth barely a quarter of that.”

“It was the same story up and down the block and across the region as the bubble burst on the housing market and people couldn’t afford their mortgages. Even people like Augie Cortez, who didn’t have mortgages spring-loaded with dangerous adjustable rates and hidden fees, were dragged down. Construction work vanished and Cortez’s cement finishing jobs dried up.”

“To put food on the table Cortez sold lumber and other items online. He did odd jobs for neighbors. Mortgage payments got skipped for months. Default notices were dropping into mailboxes across the neighborhood — including his own. ‘Just walk away, that’s what people were doing, just walking away,’ he says, recalling what it was like then.”

“Local real estate experts warn that Inland Empire housing is once again way overvalued, and overdue for a ‘correction.’ Prices have surged to an unsustainable level in the last year, according to Neighborhood Housing Services of the Inland Empire, a nonprofit that helped guys like Augie hold onto their houses 10 years ago.”

“At the edge of those vacant lots, a sign lashed to a post beckons with a come-on that sounds a little suspicious, given what this neighborhood has survived over the last decade: ‘Buy a Home, 1% Down.’ There’s no name for a real estate agent or mortgage broker. But there’s a local phone number. I give it a call. ‘Hi, this is Emily your friendly real estate professional,’ chirps a pre-recorded message. ‘Buying a home has never been easier! Here’s how it works,’ continues Emily. ‘You put down 1 percent and your lender 2 percent toward your down payment, which puts you on your way to home ownership.’”

“Emily asks me to leave my number and a good time to call back. I don’t. But I do find out more about that sign, and about new trends in home loans that are stoking old fears.”




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Comment by Justme
2017-04-26 09:56:18

TSE:HCG

Canadian mortgage lender Home Capital Group stock drops 58% today. The Canadian bubble may finally have burst.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-26/home-capital-gets-c-2-billion-loan-will-miss-financial-goals

Comment by azdude
2017-04-26 10:34:55

buy the dip!

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2017-04-26 12:01:31

Be the dip, buy.

 
Comment by Obongo
2017-04-26 12:51:24

Dip the buy

 
 
Comment by new attitude
2017-04-26 12:15:18

any public lenders up there to short?

 
Comment by Bradford99
2017-04-26 12:17:57

this is probably very big news.

from the article:
the “steep” commitment fee and the interest rate on the loan “are surprising numbers for a company that was ostensibly investment-grade.”

To me, that sounds exactly like what would be said at the beginning of a bubble pop

Comment by rms
2017-04-26 18:34:06

“…a company that was ostensibly investment-grade.”

More public employee pension systems will come-up short.

 
 
Comment by Casa$Loco
2017-04-27 05:12:03

Reminds me of the “good old days” ‘You must feed the squirrels if I am to accept your offer of only $200K over asking price.’ Get ready here we go again.

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2017-04-26 09:57:25

‘the only shelter for the homeless on the west end of the Coachella Valley, is slated to close at the end of June’

Downtown Flagstaff has two shelters larger than this.

‘In San Francisco and San Mateo Counties, a family of four making $105,350 or less is now considered low income’

It’s groundhog day in the poorest state in the union. The LA Times article talks about a “feeding frenzy.” The Union Tribune has Thornberg giving the reliable “it’s not a bubble” routine. The report about how poor people are in SF has the usual, “we need to build more” stuff.

Put the loan caps at the rest of the country: instant crater.

Comment by new attitude
2017-04-26 12:29:07

Make $102k, qualify for Sec 8!! in SF, 3rd world living at its’ finest/

Comment by Carl Morris
2017-04-26 13:43:43

Excellent. That will go a long way toward justifying making all the excess apartments Section 8 and keep rents high in order to foam the runway for the banks again for Bubble 2.0. A lot of the wrong people might lose money otherwise.

 
 
Comment by slynnns
2017-04-27 00:15:09

What got me this time was the mention (in the second post today) of “love letters” from buyers to sellers. Ah the memories of living in SoCal during the last bubble rise. The fear and panic that you will NEVER get another chance to buy if you don’t get “in” right now. And the stories of how to coax that yes from a seller with your over the top bid and pandering.

Today marks the first “suck up to the seller” bubble reporting I’ve noticed. Been waiting for it to surface in a major news outlet - will check out the LAtimes article next to see for myself! Even kept one of the LA magazine issues with the image of a house floating, just out of reach, as a reminder. We’ve been here before.

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2017-04-26 10:00:48

A caption from a photo at the last link:

‘A sign lashed to street post across from Dream Street beckons would-be homebuyers with a seemingly irresistible offer.’

Also from that article:

‘These days all the houses on Dream Street are occupied. No more busted-out windows or dead lawns; the emblems of the foreclosure crisis. “I guess it was a dream,” laughs Augie Cortez. “Actually got to keep (the house), shoot. That’s what’s good.”

‘But in a sense it’s a dream half-realized. From his front yard we look across to a pair of large dusty vacant lots. No houses were ever built on the other side of Dream Street.’

 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2017-04-26 10:02:01

Elizabeth, CO Housing Prices Crater 12% YoY On Skyrocketing Housing Inventory

https://www.zillow.com/elizabeth-co/home-values/

Comment by cpainfla
2017-04-26 14:52:33

Hey Senior Housing Analyst
I’ve been here on this website 9 years, often as a lurker. Seldom a poster. I was on here before the 08 crash daily. From ‘09-’12 I forgot about this great blog but I came back in ‘12 or ‘13 when I realized we were headed for a second crash. I cant help but laugh at your incessant reposts of double digit “craters” every day. I am a CPA so I know numbers… so if you have even been a TINY bit correct for the last 3-5 years with your “enlightening” “reposts” of “cratering” then the housing market would be down nationally, and this is JUST an estimate, the overall housing market would be down by about 3000%–which, of course, is impossible.
My point is…shut it!
I even wonder If you are actually Ben Jones, as a pseudonym, who I admire, trying to keep this blog alive. Not really, just a conspiratorial thought.
Anyway azdude, mightymike, professorbear, et al- people with something to contribute(who I remember from the past)—thanks for all your posts. You are great
To you “senior housing analyst” I hereby do a Donald Trump on you and give you a moniker that I hope sticks.
I hereby knight thee “Junior”

Comment by Ben Jones
2017-04-26 15:12:09

‘trying to keep this blog alive’

All I have to do is pay for the server. You people comment here because I allow it, and “keeping something alive” is the least of my concerns. I don’t have time to do what I do and post as anyone else. One of the biggest reasons I do continue this is it keeps me up to date on what’s happening. I used to think that warning people was important, but then half of the people here turned out to be gambling fools and I figure most Joe’s deserve what they get.

Comment by Karen
2017-04-26 16:21:33

‘azdude, mightymike, professorbear, et al- people with something to contribute(who I remember from the past)—thanks for all your posts’

LOLOLOLOLOL

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Comment by Carl Morris
2017-04-26 10:12:51

Any Fool Who Wants To Buy Can Buy

And if you’re not a fool…there’s your sign.

 
Comment by Puggs
2017-04-26 10:39:45

“In one case, they offered $102,000 above the $798,000 list price for a three-bedroom Spanish-style home in Mount Washington. The house sold to someone else for $985,000. ‘After that I was like, this is insane,’ said the 35-year-old mother of three. The couple bid on 11 homes, she said, before they finally purchased a three-bedroom in the hills of Glassell Park listed at $799,900. To seal the deal, they again bid about $100,000 over asking, this time before an open house was held. ‘It was a crazy process,’ Rodriguez said. ‘I’m glad we are on the other side of it.’”

Poor Donks overpaid. Nobody was putting a gun to your head.

The only “crazy” in this story are the participants.

Comment by Blue Skye
2017-04-26 11:03:52

They are glad they won.

How the hell do you pay off a debt that is 10x your gross income?

Comment by 2banana
2017-04-26 11:47:32

Appreciation and home equity loans!

Everyone is doing it!

What could go wrong?

 
 
Comment by On both sides
2017-04-26 13:14:47

Crap, I’m beginning to think I accepted an offer that was too low, LOL.

I listed my 3/2 Spanish style for 640K and received 17 offers. Under contract for 100 over, reading all the stupid letters about feeding the squirrels was depressing, because I know that’s going to be us on the buy side at some point.

Problem is there’s nothing out there under 1MM in socal where I’d want to live (Pasadena,so Pasadena, la Canada) I don’t care what they say about Mt Washington or glassel park. Both of those places are gang infested $hitholes. 985K is beyond insane, just like the house I’m selling. I thought No way it could appraise. (It did)

The smart play is to hold off and wait it out in a rental, but prices can quickly go up 100K but seem to be extremely sticky on the way down.

Comment by slynnns
2017-04-27 00:30:43

Agreed. But you reminded me that I was super excited today to come home and find a letter taped to my door from management that did NOT contain a notice to inspect the dwelling. Instead - it informed me that, starting immediately, my rent was going DOWN $130 per month due to rent control us citizens passed a few months ago. Yay! I knew I was being gouged. We paid a 6% rise each year for 6 years when inflation, wage rise (for me) has been barely half that. And I considered that an absolute steal for the south bay area (building built in 70’s had something to do with limiting the annual spikes by the Land Lord but was always fearful when renewal time came around).

I really had a moment where I felt like Charlie Sheen - “winning”!
If there is going to be a “market distortion” I’d sure as hell have it in my favor. Land Lord has had his cream for a long time (and will still make a tidy profit - just a little tidier).

I think this is why I noticed a handful of multi-family homes in the town for sale this week. heh heh heh. Gonna try to take their money and run.

 
 
 
Comment by Puggs
2017-04-26 10:48:48

“…And if you go way back to March 1998, the median price of a single-family home in the San Fernando Valley was a whopping $180,000.”

Ahhhh,1998. The good ‘ol days!

Tell me, how fast and furious did house prices climb from 1978 - 1998? That should assist in the metrics for the last 20 years, no??

Comment by new attitude
2017-04-26 12:19:15

San Fernando Valley

3rd world immigrant-imports think it is better than “home.” Locals flee to San Antonio and ruin it… and so on….

uhgggg…

 
 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2017-04-26 10:59:42

Pleasanton, CA Housing Prices Crater 17% YoY

http://www.movoto.com/pleasanton-ca/market-trends/

Comment by slynnns
2017-04-27 00:35:31

Oh, Junior… if only it were true.

Comment by Race Bannon
2017-04-27 04:55:36

Boots on the ground out of my good friend. Boots-on-the-ground data.

<bCoral Gables, FL Housing Prices Crater 6% YoY

https://www.zillow.com/coral-gables-fl/home-values/

 
 
 
Comment by hllnwlz
2017-04-26 11:07:57

I’m so tired of all the lies, but if I look for a silver lining here it’s that we must be very close to the top if not past it because they’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of debt to income ratios.

See below:

Definitely enabling more foolishness: “Fannie Introduces “Innovative Solutions” Allowing Student-Debt-Laden Millennials To Buy A Home”

“Fannie Mae announced new policies that will help more borrowers with student debt qualify for a home loan. These innovations address challenges and obstacles to homeownership due to a significant increase in student loan debt over the past decade and provide access to credit for qualified borrowers. The new solutions give homeowners the opportunity to pay down student debt with a mortgage refinance, allow borrowers to exclude non-mortgage debt paid by others as part of the loan application process, and make it more likely for borrowers with student debt to qualify for a mortgage loan by allowing lenders to accept student debt payments included on credit reports.

“Student Loan Cash-Out Refinance: Offers homeowners the flexibility to pay off high interest rate student debt while potentially refinancing to a lower mortgage interest rate.

“Debt Paid by Others: Widens borrower eligibility to qualify for a home loan by excluding from the borrower’s debt-to-income ratio non-mortgage debt, such as credit cards, auto loans, and student loans, paid by someone else.

“Student Debt Payment Calculation: Makes it more likely for borrowers with student debt to qualify for a loan by allowing lenders to accept student loan payment information on credit reports.

“We understand the significant role that a monthly student loan payment plays in a potential home buyer’s consideration to take on a mortgage, and we want to be a part of the solution,” said Jonathan Lawless, Vice President of Customer Solutions, Fannie Mae. “These new policies provide three flexible payment solutions to future and current homeowners and, in turn, allow lenders to serve more borrowers.”

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-25/fannie-introduces-innovative-solutions-allowing-student-debt-laden-millennials-buy-h

Comment by Race Bannon
2017-04-26 11:30:58

I don’t see how this is anything new considering they’ve been handing out subprime, no income verification mortgages to anyone asking for one all along.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2017-04-26 11:32:22

Lenders say more loans is the solution.

Comment by azdude
2017-04-26 11:51:06

uncle fed will buy up the MBS in default.

 
Comment by Just Some Dude
2017-04-26 11:58:27

If the problem is lack of supply, as evidenced by the lack of building for a few years after the crash, then why would lending standards need to be loosened to increase demand? I presume that demand hasn’t increased significantly since ~2013. I don’t presume that household formation is drastically above the long term average, but I don’t know.

Or is the decision of the lending standards not a function of the level of demand that a lender require/desires, but rather to remove hastily added regulations that do not protect borrowers? Many folks are using the income based repayment options for federal student loans, so the expectation that folks are paying 1% of the balance monthly isn’t correct. I’d say it’s probably a good thing that FNMA will be using the actual monthly payments rather than a percentage.

Comment by Ben Jones
2017-04-26 12:12:54

The supply thing is a lie, always was. These guys need business. Looser lending standards are a symptom of a mania, not the cause of it. As the pool of available buyers dries up, they have to enlarge to pool to keep it going. Lending standards could easily be set and not change for decades. Instead we get this constant drip drip from Mel Watt. Notice it never goes the other way, until the SHTF like we’re already seeing in some CRE markets.

If it was supply and demand you wouldn’t see sales increase as prices increase.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2017-04-26 12:28:01

The simple comment from the Chinese blogger yesterday was

“Price follows volume”

Maybe he said this right to left.

 
 
 
 
Comment by rms
2017-04-27 07:52:23

“These innovations address challenges and obstacles to homeownership due to a significant increase in student loan debt over the past decade and provide access to credit for qualified borrowers.”

Haha… innovations?

 
 
Comment by ZH
2017-04-26 11:43:42

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-26/canadas-housing-bubble-explodes-its-biggest-mortgage-lender-crashes-most-history

Canada’s Housing Bubble Explodes As Its Biggest Mortgage Lender Crashes Most In History

 
Comment by Andrew
2017-04-26 11:56:30

Lazerson said he’s using “glue and paper clips” to get clients qualified, having them pay down bills, get a co-signer or secure money from parents for a down payment

“They are all pushing and then they push some more,” he said. “I don’t think it’s sustainable at all.”

What do you all give this until…2020? I mean every bubble is bigger than the last, and its just hit the peak of last time. Wow, memories are short.

Comment by Blue Skye
2017-04-26 12:36:07

Is this bubble bigger than the last?

There isn’t much construction around here and we have lush open land as far as the eye can see. Is the pool of fools smaller than before?

 
 
Comment by new attitude
2017-04-26 12:12:36

borrow and spend tax plan, party like it is 1929!

$24K STANDARD DEDUCTION per couple, no need for an interest write off now.

on a serious side note, local farmers can’t find people to work in the fields. Food costs will soar.

Comment by Ben Jones
2017-04-26 12:24:51

Avocados are 3 for a dollar, oranges 88 cents a pound. Anyway, I thought you guys were going to split off and join Canada or something. When when ya leaving? Then you can import all the immigrants you want.

Comment by new attitude
2017-04-26 12:32:14

Avocados are $7 for 5 at Costco and they are grown here.

Undocumented workers account for 67 percent of people harvesting fruit. Whichever way you slice it, farmers pay more to produce less.

Do the math.

Comment by Ben Jones
2017-04-26 12:35:22

I just did the math for you. Jeebus you can eat guac with every meal you want and not even notice the cost. Win win ya leaving? Or was that just so much hot air?

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Comment by new attitude
2017-04-26 12:39:43

I am not the governor of CA. Too busy vacationing.

I gotta tell ya, the waterfalls in Yosemite were amazing last week! Lots of foreign tourist getting in my way on the hikes though. Summer is supposed to be hell there with overcrowding and selfie sticks.

 
Comment by Puggs
2017-04-26 13:27:21

Most National Parks are gonna be crazy this year with the possible exception of Lassen. We need another recession to weed out the novice tourists.

 
 
Comment by SW
2017-04-26 13:41:22

I paid similar for avocados. Wondered why the price spike.

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Comment by Casa$Loco
2017-04-27 05:24:21

Reminds me of the “good old days” ‘You must feed the squirrels if I am to accept your offer of only $200K over asking price.’ Get ready here we go again.

Stay in California DO NOT COME TO GEORGIA!

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Comment by new attitude
2017-04-26 12:33:28

Labor accounts for about 82 percent of farmers’ operating costs, according to the Agricultural Issues Center at the University of California at Davis. Labor costs for San Joaquin Valley oranges top out at 67 percent of operating costs; for wine grapes, costs can range from 48 to 72 percent.

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2017-04-26 12:42:40

Picking around here is highly mechanized. We do get some migrants when it is time to prune the vines. The biggest inputs to farming are land and energy. The price of food will continue to come down.

Comment by Ben Jones
2017-04-26 13:08:01

‘Labor accounts for about 82 percent of farmers’ operating costs’

It takes about ten seconds of thinking to see this is horse hockey. Farm land went through the roof in the past few years.

Comment by Burned Alive in Tucson
2017-04-26 13:30:40

I figured they chose to use the term “operating costs” to avoid including land and such

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Comment by new attitude
2017-04-26 14:53:35

OK. so you think USA pistachios and cherries will stay cheap even if labor cost double? alrighty.

How about McDonalds if they pay $15 an hr?

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Comment by Blue Skye
2017-04-26 16:12:51

We’ve already got the $15/hr min wage in NY I believe. We have our own cherries.

Freaking out about Pistachios? Food is less than 3% of my budget and Pistachios are less than 1% of that. I really care much more about the cost of gasoline.

 
Comment by MightyMike
2017-04-26 16:15:14

Food is less than 3% of my budget

Good for you - most Americans are much less fortunate.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2017-04-26 16:50:07

fortunate well sure. It takes some work. Eating out would be beyond that. Fast food would be out of the question. When I had a big family it was absolutely not the case.

What % is your food? Do you buy pistachios?

 
Comment by MightyMike
2017-04-26 17:34:27

You’re missing the point. Food is a necessity, so significant food inflation can be a major burden for many Americans. Your statement just looked like someone blithely ignoring that fact and bragging about his high income.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2017-04-26 19:08:02

No, I was bragging about how we don’t have to spend 50% of our income on food in this country. My income is not that “high”. I’m frugal. Food doubled here not that long ago and it did not result in mass starvation. Pistachios too!

With food doubling people are still bidding up houses. The price of luxury food items cannot be the big issue.

So what was the point that I missed?

 
Comment by MightyMike
2017-04-26 20:36:51

The point you missed was about the bragging. I made that clear. You made statements about your own wonderful self, not the country.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2017-04-27 05:06:30

It’s keeping expenses reasonable that is wonderful. Getting past the feeding growing children changes a lot. Cooking for yourself and canning and preserving is wonderful. New York also has wonderful produce that can be had inexpensively in season. It’s wonderful not to be held hostage by California cherry pickers.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Bobby Mac
2017-04-26 13:09:38

Looks like the MID will survive another administration! (See details of the trump prelim tax plan)Are the NAR and other real estate lobby machines really that powerful?!?!

Comment by Carl Morris
2017-04-26 13:48:58

I don’t know. But I’m confident you can’t win an election without lots of votes from people who think they are smarter than average because they can take the mortgage deduction on their taxes.

 
Comment by new attitude
2017-04-26 13:57:58

at $24k for married couples, most will take the standard deduction. Now do the math on that $2000 PITI.

 
Comment by MightyMike
2017-04-26 14:18:54

There’s no organized opposition to the MID. The whole REIC is organized to support it. It’s elimination would increase taxes on some taxpayers and many people who voted for Trump think that any tax increase on anyone for any reason is always a bad thing.

Comment by new attitude
2017-04-26 14:59:42

First, you make the Standard deduction $24k, then remove MID. Less sting that way.

My tax returns were over 50 pages this yr. My CPA wanted $450, she charged only $150 6 yrs ago. We settled at $300.

Comment by Ben Jones
2017-04-26 15:14:04

‘you make the Standard deduction $24k’ = 4 more years.

BTW, you’re getting schlonged by your CPA.

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Comment by azdude
2017-04-26 15:35:07

I think the robo machines have the word” tax cut” programmed to buy.

Seems like a lot of bs to me. The only way it works is if you plan on running larger deficits.

 
Comment by new attitude
2017-04-27 09:50:16

BTW, you’re getting schlonged by your CPA.

There would be no economy if we were all uber-tightwads.

I know value.
$300 is fine for the work needed. It would take me all day just to enter the data on Turbo Tax. Trading stocks makes it lots of fun.

 
 
Comment by MightyMike
2017-04-26 15:39:33

First, you make the Standard deduction $24k, then remove MID.

That might still upset some people. I know a rich guy who said he used to have a house that cost him $5,000 or $6,000 a month. The mortgage interest was probably over $24k a year.

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Comment by Neuromance
2017-04-26 15:59:54

Bobby Mac: Are the NAR and other real estate lobby machines really that powerful?!?!

MightyMike:: There’s no organized opposition to the MID.

Someone asked on the radio this morning why Obama and others get 100’s of thousands of dollars for speeches, from other countries and places like Wall Street. What’s the return on investment for something like that?

The answer was simple: to access and persuade decision makers (i.e. politicians and agency heads). Obama and others have access. The big special interests spend millions on getting the most persuasive people to speak with the decision makers (lobbyists). Plus they spend cash liberally on them. All to induce them decide the way you want, in your favor.

You gotta decide and you’re faced with the most slickly persuasive people in the country, who are also showering cash and favors on you.

 
 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2017-04-26 13:09:57

Calabasas, CA Housing Prices Crater 26% YoY As Inventory Skyrockets

http://www.movoto.com/calabasas-ca/market-trends/

 
Comment by Puggs
2017-04-26 13:34:09

“‘Even though people are anxious to get into the market, it’s not one of those markets where any fool who wants to buy can buy.’”

REALLY? What’s a 1% down Rocket mortgage called?

Let me help you out. It starts with “fool” and ends in “ish”

 
Comment by Race Bannon
2017-04-26 13:58:14

I think I’m going to go into the RageCage fab business. Demand is at record high.

 
Comment by ZH
2017-04-26 14:03:56

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-26/california-farmland-plunge-20-or-more-returns-sink-lowest-level-1992

California Farmland To Plunge “20% Or More” As Returns Sink To Lowest Level Since 1992

 
Comment by azdude
2017-04-26 14:28:57

any of u see folks pimping solar panels at home depot? They have a whole speel about no money down.I told him I know a lot of bitter renters who help pay for their landlords solar panels.

 
Comment by socal_bro
2017-04-26 14:48:29

The standard line here in SFV is that this time is “different” because it’s about “inventory” and not about “bad loans.” There is some data to suggest we need more housing units in LA. Despite that, this still feels like an over-blown mania that people are desperately trying to buy what they can even if they will be house poor…

What is the response to the “this is different and not a bubble because inventory” argument that always pops up when people start using the B word about the LA market?

Comment by Blue Skye
2017-04-26 16:14:47

You cannot use logic to convince someone living in a mania of anything.

 
 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2017-04-26 15:51:54
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2017-04-26 16:13:24

Oh dear…

‘Trump wants to slash the corporate tax rate from 35% to 15%, and reduce 7 brackets for personal-income tax to 3, simplifying the tax code. Most individual filers would face a lower federal income tax rate. But that would cut federal revenue, and to make up some of the difference, Trump has proposed killing the federal deduction for state and local taxes, known as the SALT deduction.’

‘Laws on the books for more than a century allow workers who pay income and property tax to their city and/or state to deduct the state and local portion from the federal portion.’

https://www.yahoo.com/news/heres-big-tax-deduction-trump-wants-kill-194129618.html

A comment:

‘While I live in CA., and currently pay/deduct more than $30,000 a year in State and property taxes, I like this proposal. Why should states with low income/property taxes subsidize states like CA. and NY with very high taxes?’

Mike is gonna lose it.

Comment by MightyMike
2017-04-26 16:18:44

Republicans in the House from high tax states are not going to like that. The GOP majority is not large enough to pass that provision without them.

Comment by scdave
2017-04-26 17:26:49

I hope you are right MM.

 
Comment by MightyMike
2017-04-26 17:30:27

Trump’s Tax Plan Could Be Painful for New York, New Jersey, and California

Wealthier residents of high-tax states would be especially hard hit if they can no longer deduct state and local taxes from their federal taxes.

by Suzanne Woolley and Ben Steverman

April 26, 2017, 3:28 PM MST

President Donald Trump’s tax overhaul plan was short on specifics, but one proposal was clear enough to draw howls from residents of high-tax states. The plan would end deductions of state and local taxes from federal income taxes. Those are by far the biggest deductions for many taxpayers.

“There is no doubt that if you are a New York or California resident, your largest deduction, by a factor that could be as high as 10, is the state and local income tax,” said tax expert Robert Willens, of New York-based Robert Willens LLC. “Historically a high-state tax was mitigated by the fact that you were able to deduct it, so it was really costing you 60 percent or 65 percent of what you were paying to the state.”

“New Jersey taxpayers would lose under that plan,” New Jersey Republican Congressman Leonard Lance said in a statement, saying he supported some parts of Trump’s tax plan but opposed eliminating the state and local tax deduction. “I will be a leading voice in negotiations for maintaining that deduction.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-26/trump-s-tax-plan-could-be-painful-for-new-york-new-jersey-and-california

Comment by Ben Jones
2017-04-26 18:58:24

See, he’s wetting his pants. “Oh please Republicans, save our tax dodge!”

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Comment by MightyMike
2017-04-26 19:06:07

You’re not referring to me, are you? I’m not even sure how it would affect me. I was just predicting that it won’t happen.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2017-04-26 19:18:52

No, you are sweating this because it will gore the Ox of high tax states. Go ahead, send Pelosi up there to fight a tax plan that would eliminate income taxes on poor families and get rid of a regressive tax write off for rich property owners. Welcome to 4-D chess!

 
Comment by MightyMike
2017-04-26 20:40:26

No, I said that it’s not going to happen. I’m not going to sweat about something that won’t happen. There’s no need for Nancy Pelosi to get involved if Trump can’t get 218 House Republicans to support the provision.

On the other hand, if Trump can somehow reduce the number of families who pay taxes, we can expect another Mitt Romney make speech complaining about how half the country pays no income taxes. That’s 5-D chess!

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2017-04-26 20:43:53

‘if Trump can’t get 218 House Republicans to support the provision’

“Oh please Republicans, save my regressive tax sop for the rich” signed, a “progressive.”

 
Comment by MightyMike
2017-04-26 20:46:02

The progressives won’t have to get involved. The Republicans from New Jersey and elsewhere will be good conservatives, stopping a tax increase on their constituents.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2017-04-26 20:52:20

No, progressives are on the bench. Good luck throwing your lot in with the rich state “conservatives.” You became what you hate Mike.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by azdude
2017-04-26 17:07:52

CA is proposing free healthcare for everyone. Seems they want everything for free.

Comment by scdave
2017-04-26 17:30:26

Cut us loose. We can take care of ourselves. The question is; Can the union take care of themselves without us ?

 
Comment by MightyMike
2017-04-26 17:37:26

CA is proposing free healthcare for everyone. Seems they want everything for free.

You mean that they proposed that someone else pay for all of their healthcare?

Comment by scdave
2017-04-26 18:29:24

We can afford it. Where does the USA rank in GDP in the world without the in inclusion of Cali GDP ?

Comment by marmot
2017-04-26 18:55:05

It would still be #1 in nominal GDP.

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Comment by scdave
2017-04-26 19:04:34

Show me the numbers dude.

 
Comment by marmot
2017-04-26 19:26:36

In 2015, US GDP was about $18.037 trillion and CA GDP was $2.448 trillion. The second place country was China with $11.064 trillion.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2017-04-26 19:39:23

It’s the poorest state in the union. Many sleep on rags in China too.

 
Comment by shendi
2017-04-26 19:44:40

Dave you should not even be asking this question.

CA is the world’s 8th largest economy, larger than Russia. That said the other countries from number 4 to 7 are just about a fifth of the us. See this 2013 World GDP Graph.

The numbers for 2016 culled from various sites including wikipedia are:
USA $18.56T current annualized GDP is $18.8T
China $11.4T nominal with a forecasted increase of +6.5% in 2017
CA $2.6T Includes a +2.7% increase from 2015.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2017-04-26 19:48:01

And Russia is a marvelous economy too. Poorest state in the union. Lower than Mississippi. That’s official data too. Go on about GDP all you want, it sounds like the New Mexico guy.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2017-04-26 17:38:50
 
Comment by Senior Housing Analyst
2017-04-26 19:18:59

Kalaheo, Hawaii Housing Prices Tank 12% YoY On Cratering Housing Demand

https://www.zillow.com/kalaheo-hi/home-values/

 
Comment by Paul
2017-04-26 22:34:31

I live in the same district as that Bloomington family. The story is sadly typical.

I’m college educated and management. One of the big issues here is low education, low skill, low prospects, and very high employee theft.

Off wages, even 100k for houses here is too high.

 
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