Weekend Bits Bucket & Craigslist Finds
Please post off-topic ideas, links and Craigslist finds here. This thread will be forwarded through the weekend.
Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole.
Please post off-topic ideas, links and Craigslist finds here. This thread will be forwarded through the weekend.
On the “Weekend Topics” thread I posted some of the new June 2006 market statistics from the D.C. region, found at http://www.mris.com/reports/stats/
Then for fun I went back through the statistics through the years to 1998 for Fairfax County, traditionally one of the largest suburban and middle class (used to be) suburbs of D.C. I wish I had more data from years to the early 90’s, but it appears as though there currently is no “housing shortage” and it isn’t all that “different here” because of “high-paying” government jobs.
Year — Total Units Sold — Number of Active Listings
2006 — 1,680 — 9,153
2005 — 2,737 — 3,181
2004 — 3,017 — 2,799
2003 — 2,482 — 3,265
2002 — 2,244 — 3,046
2001 — 2,483 — 3,245
2000 — 2,247 — 3,289
1999 — 2,248 — 4,704
1998 — 2,004 — Unavailable
the bi-weekly running of the bulls is about to start at WashPost Real Estate Live:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2006/06/16/DI2006061601323.html
Absolutely wonderful bubblicious exchange on this link:
Ashburn, Va.: I’m so mad at my neighbor. I bought my new home here in Ashburn last summer and plan to sell it next year (after holding two years to avoid taxes) to make a nice return on my investment. The problem is my neighbor is trying to sell his house (very similar to mine) right now and he keeps lowering his asking price. Each time he lowers his price, I see my potential profits next year getting squashed. Doesn’t he realize he’s hurting the comps for all of his neighbors by doing this? I don’t think he is acting very “neighborly” by doing this. I want to say something to him and tell him he should stop putting his interests ahead of his neighbors. Its people like him who are ruining the market for the rest of us. If he would just refuse to lower his price, we could maintain our comps and everyone would benefit. What can I do to stop him?
Kirstin Downey: Wow. Interesting question. There’s nothing you can do. It’s his house, of course. It’s frustrating, to be sure. One word of advice: Don’t resort to violence.
…Seriously, he may just be desperate to sell. Perhaps he has an adjustable rate mortgage that is rising, or maybe an option ARM that is resetting to a much higher monthly payment. Maybe he’s getting a divorce or has lost his job and doesn’t want to talk about it. Or maybe he wants to move to Tahiti. (I do sometimes, don’t you?)
I hear from many, many buyers and sellers each month, and many sellers are finding the only way to sell a home amid this growing inventory is to cut the price. Perhaps last year’s prices were just illusory after all.
Gee, ya think???
Sterling, Va.: The person mad at his neighbor could buy his house for his really low price and sell it for a profit.
Kirstin Downey: ….yes, or lose a lot of money in the process.
So, what you are really asking is “how do I go about interfering with a free market by forcing my neigbor to form a cartel and engage in price collusion with me?”
There is a nice jail somewhere cell that Ken Lay won’t be needing anymore.
HOLY JOKER CRAP BATMAN!!!
This almost seems like one of you made this up!
Sell my investment in 2 years to avoid taxes!!!! All these INVESTORS have ruined it for all us ivestors of old. Don’t the realize that they drove the comps up on us all, why didn’t they just refuse to pay so much for their INVESTMENT.
Enough, I will pop a vein if I consider this drivel anymore.
!End Rant—–
Kirstin Downey is doing it today, for a breath of fresh air. She says in her first comment, “Also, I wouldn’t worry about offending the seller (although of course as Miss Manners would say, being politer is always better than the opposite)…After all the seller isn’t worried about offending you with an outrageously high price!”
Yes, I love her. She actually has the spine to give her opinion on things. I wish she’d do it all the time. Give her a raise.
I love this question;
Ashburn, Va.: I’m so mad at my neighbor. I bought my new home here in Ashburn last summer and plan to sell it next year (after holding two years to avoid taxes) to make a nice return on my investment. The problem is my neighbor is trying to sell his house (very similar to mine) right now and he keeps lowering his asking price. Each time he lowers his price, I see my potential profits next year getting squashed. Doesn’t he realize he’s hurting the comps for all of his neighbors by doing this? I don’t think he is acting very “neighborly” by doing this. I want to say something to him and tell him he should stop putting his interests ahead of his neighbors. Its people like him who are ruining the market for the rest of us. If he would just refuse to lower his price, we could maintain our comps and everyone would benefit. What can I do to stop him?
What an assh*le!!!! Get a clue buddy!!!!!!
It’s obviously a troll from this blog! ROTFL.
probably true, but i know of one such situation where the neighbors are super p*ssed at a seller right now who keeps dropping the price every weekend.
What can I do to stop him?”
Buy him out at a higher than asking price. That would be great for the comps!
Just think you can get twice as rich selling two houses next year!!!
Yeah, I sure wish everyone else would get with the program of making *me* rich. What ungrateful morons for looking out for their own best interests. MeMeMeMeMeMe. It’s all about Me!
Yeah, maybe a couple of the pissed neighbors can get together and buy the house for the “pie in the sky” original asking price to keep the comps up. Oh, wow! And then there will be yet another empty house on the block waiting for a renter. And then they can fight over not being able to get someone in to pay what they expect the rent should be. And then….and then…
They should just read the handwriting on the wall…THE MARKET HAS TURNED PEOPLE!!…and wait for the shoe to drop to see what the guy sells it for. Dude just had a bad plan to begin with (hold for 2 years to avoid taxes and then sell for a nice profit).
He who drinketh of the Kool-Aid will soon realize he made a mistaketh. (Lunch time…I need to eat. Hunger is making me say crazy things.)
BayQT~
Never buy a house when hungry.
And while at it, never buy a house when tired, angry, …
I think Maslow spoke of this in his “hierarchy of needs”. (smile)
I just added some updated stats to my Sacramento RE blog:
sacrealstats.blogspot.com
Pending inventory is dropping and we keep getting closer to that record…
Just something I’ve noticed in an echo-bubble area I follow. I’ve been noting the number of for sales in Boise as reflected in the Idaho Statesman’s BoiseHomeSites.com. It was at 2800 listings last month. After the holiday, its shot up over 10% to 3111. Will watch this closely to see if inventory keeps exploding or if it is just a blip.
Nope, good catch! I just checked Boise, Albuquerque, and a few other “flyover” boom cities on Housing Tracker, and most of them are now showing at least a slight decline, a few of them including Boise more substantially.
Fascinating… I’ve noticed that the listing for my zip code on ziprealty (Bellevue, WA) have ballooned from what was consistently in the 50ish range for months to about 65 this week. This is not a huge increase, but it seems that something happened just after the holiday.
Is it perhaps that the folks selling up there want to try and sell while the weather is good and before the gloomy overcast weather that is more common during the rest of the year?
I read an editorial from Jas Jain at financialsense.com during the week. He pointed out that by dollar value California RE is about 25% of the entire US total.
Add in other high-priced areas such as DC/NYC/Mass., and it seems to me that bubble areas may hold a considerably greater percentage of overall US housing assets than raw volumes would imply.
Does anyone know if the appropriate statistics are calculated anywhere?
How much will this increase the financial impact of any bust?
Remember California is also 16% of the population and a very large percentage of the Coastal US and lots of other economic and demographic percentages. It isn’t really as outsized at it seems at first.
16% of 300 million is 48 million.
California Department of Finance numbers quote a state population of 37.2 million 1/1/06.
Are there that many illegals there?
yes
yes
Si
(sorry, couldn’t resist)
LOL.
A story on MSNBC a couple of years ago estimated 10% of California is illegal aliens. And that was probably low (certainly worse now!), and it didn’t count their babies born in the US as illegals.
> it didn’t count their babies born in the US as illegals
Why should it? They are not illegals, according to current law. Quite the opposite: they are US citizens.
Yes, but most of us consider them illegal-legals.
No hay illegales aqui. Vamos, nada ver aqui.
And those are the ones they can count.
BayQT~
And remember, a good number of them got loans for 800k mortgages in the last couple of years….
I’ll bow to local knowledge regarding illegal immigrant levels :).
Kind of off topic, but funny:
Illegal Immigrants Returning To Mexico For American Jobs
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/47978
Si, senor.
Depending upon how/when this whole correction develops the immigrant issue could be very interesting. A significant downturn in new home construction/sales could put a lot of manual-labor based immigrants out of work (landscapers, roofers, construction). This will probably be occuring as we gear up for the ‘08 election and cantidates are scrambling for Hispanic votes. It may become a contest to see which party can offer them the biggest bailout/’social recovery’ package. This would (of course) require sacrifice from those of us still holding jobs and paying taxes…
Edited because I can’t spell ‘candidates’, dammit!
Just wanted others observations also about why people would endure torturous commutes to buy a house in some hellhole because that is all they can afford, and ASS u me that it will keep going up in value. What will these folks do when they realize that their dream is being shattered. This thought was prompted by the comments yesterday about people buying in Los Banos and Lake Los Angeles California. Two hellholes out in the middle of nowhere.
doesn’t Los Banos mean ‘toilet’?
Answer to your question: because they are incredibly stupid. Living in S Cali doe NOT mean Fontana, San Bernadino, etc. While it is true that geographically they are in the southern portion of Cali, thay are NOT Santa Monica, Malibu, WeHo, Newport Beach, etc.
These residents say “I live in California, southern California” People say, “Really? You are so LUCKY!” (thinking in their minds of tanned, beachgoing, rich people). These idiot residents in Fontana (and their ilk) think that BY ASSociation, they are living the good life.
They are delusional. The fact is the quality of like in these places SUCK. Crime is higher, housing is uninspired and insipid, everything is a nasty strip mall, the air is noxious, and their commute times are hell.
As long as any stupid sheople keep on reinforcing this to them, they stay in denial for longer than they should. It could also be that the bad air has killed enough brain cells so that they no longer are capable of coherent thought.
I really do believe this….
“Answer to your question: because they are incredibly stupid. Living in S Cali doe NOT mean Fontana, San Bernadino, etc. While it is true that geographically they are in the southern portion of Cali, thay are NOT Santa Monica, Malibu, WeHo, Newport Beach, etc.”
LOL! I’m going OT here but could not resist. I had a friend who was serving in the armed forces and he met and married a woman from Spain. They had a boy, and I became friends of the serviceman when the boy was 4. Basically, the Spanish woman had stars in her eyes and assumed that the military base in California meant it was actually Malibu/Beverly Hills/Hollywood/Venice, and so on. Well this military base was in the desert. When the woman had enough of not living the California dream she must have dreamed back in Spain, they separated and she shacked up with a pizza restaurant owner a hundred miles away. Later, after spending $8,000 in legal fees, and the restaurant owner threatened my friend’s wife with a knife, the family got back together. Whew! My buddy was a materialistic type and probably bragged about his possessions, which did not amount to much anyway. He did have a Porsche and took very good care of it. It ran very well. But it was 12 years old.
Tortuous commutes? Boonies?
Friend of mine just bought a house in Hagerstown. This week. The fool! He’s selling his previous house this month, netting no profit, best we can tell. (He refuses to say, and these days that lack of bragging is often a sign of losing money.) So we all figured his best move is to rent, since rents in the DC area are waaaaay below cost of ownership. And then he can sit back and relax and take his time to find the house of his dreams, maybe.
But no, the putz is desperate to stay on the housing ladder and thinks this last flip-gone-bad (he moves every two years) is an anomaly. Maybe it was just his resetting interest rate that made him sell fast and low! (He won’t say.) But “it won’t happen again”.
Right, so even though he AND his wife both work within about 5 miles of DC proper, they ended up buying in Hagerstown. Uh, what!?!? That’s over 60 miles away! And I hear I-270 is pure hell every morning and afternoon. He’s lost his mind! But then, he says it’s “so cheap out there”. Though what that really means is that it was the only place that he could afford, what with the latest interest rates - ouch! And those houses are “cheap” for a reason, dude. Wait till you start filling up that SUV’s tank every two days.
It just makes me want to buy stock in Hovnonian and Exxon-Mobil. How can those firms go wrong, as long as we don’t run out of people like this?
That is one nasty commute. I have family back there. 60 miles! Wow that’s foolish. Chalk up the time spent in the vehicle, the $750 per month fuel costs (assuming errands and things) and that is a recipe for one unhappy camper. I don’t know what these people are thinking. 60 miles is a lot with no traffic.
Hagarstown hasn’t aged well. A lot of the old downtown shows the German influence, with grand, well-built buildings, but the place has sadly deteriorated over the last century. The denizens are DNA disasters — most of them look like jailhouse sweepings or crank skanks. There’s also a huge contingent of disreputable-looking “undocumented workers” much in evidence. I can imagine that property taxes must be sky-high, given all the riff-raff that the productive citizens there — both of them — have to support.
CA is a high percentage. Don’t know amount. But will definitely have a HUGE effect. Would love to hear about CA flippers flopping into the bellyup position, especially when they have gone to other cities and ruined their markets.
Here in the high desert of California we have a unique situation. We have countless miles of desert land and then a mountain range separating us from the true “Southern California”. A 40 mile commute through these mountains to the southland have kept the desert prices comparitively low but for the last 3 years the skyrocketing southland home prices have made the desert more appealing to first time home buyers and wannabe investors. This recently drove up the price of homes in the high desert to unbelievable levels. People moving from the southland up to the desert had “reverse sticker shock” because the prices of homes were so much lower in the desert (on average almost 1/3 less). Many people bought homes to rent out. What fools! Houses in the high desert rent for $700 per month while their mortgage payments are more than twice this. What fools! We currently have hundreds of homes for rent and our MLS has an inventory of over 4000 SFRs and condos! (We average around 1500 in the MLS.) Additionally there are very few jobs in the high desert and the commuters are being pummled by the rising costs of gasoline. What would happen if the People’s Republic of the Department of California inacted a mileage tax? Ouch!
Cowboy,
Its getting even worse. The AFMC (Air Force Materials Center) is laying off 900. I have no idea of any of those are at Edward’s AFB, but I do know its always been followed by proportional layoffs and Edward’s will be hit. How hard? Who knows?!? This is usually the traditional end to a run up in High desert property values (when Edward’s AFB lays off).
Also, I’ve been hearing rumors that the builders are running scared up there… This will trap buyers up there (investors and 1st time alike). At a minimum, this downturn is going to destroy a hell of a lot of “ivestment money” in Southern California.
So much for the builders learning from the last boom… they seem to have a very short term institutional memory. (Next post, by John Law.)
it’s funny that when I read articles about this new oil boom, everyone is cautious about not getting burned again. yet in real estate, nobody remembers the last downturn. nobody. how can that be?
there was an article about a wyoming rancher the other day who was also involved in the oil biz. he was being very careful, buying used machinery, keeping out of crushing debt and not buying something for his oil biz that he can’t use for his ranch. where are these people in the housing boom?
Mid-East ‘learns oil-boom lesson’s
I should say though, the stock markets in the ME weren’t showing much restraint.
Re: remembering the last real estate downturn. For the majority of the U.S., it wasn’t bad unless you had to sell or were otherwise connected to the industry. The people I know who owned houses from the late 70’s through today (some still in the same house) paid no attention to resales. They were just there to live in their houses and paying the mortgage got easier over time with inflation.
Also, in the last downturn (in the very early 90’s), I sure don’t recall folks using so much leverage and crazy financing, taking out Helocs all over the place, or buying hugely with interest-only or option-arm loans. In 1996, we were at a too-expensive open house and the owner said in literally hushed tones, “you know, you can buy this interest-only”. We thought that was the silliest thing we had ever heard of. I guess we weren’t “sophisticated”.
You should have whispered back: “You know, you could lower the price.”
Ah yes, the glories of unbridled deregulation. The freedom from those constraining, oh-so-50’s rules. No magical thinking. The Market is never wrong. The trend is your friend….until, of course, Buffet’s foot kicks away Keynes’ hand.
I don’t think there was so much refinancing and spending the money on toys that we see now. Back then, when people took a home equity loan, it was usually to do remodelling or something that would increase the real value of their home. Also, some areas were hurt quite badly. My sister-in -law and her husband lost a lot of money in the early 90’s in Sacramento and they just bought a modest house to live in, not for investment.
I don’t know if anyone posted on this last month, but Salon.com has an article on TheHousingBubbleBlog (this blog, silly!):
http://tinyurl.com/rr72a
That’s excellent — Ben’s is one of their “Indispensable Blogs.” Won’t be long before Ben will have to practice all that stuff you need to know before you go in front of a TV camera. The only part I remember is, never trust the guy who’s asking you the questions.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003110149_homesales07.html
Local homes: Investments that just keep getting hotter
By Elizabeth Rhodes, Seattle Times staff reporter
Forget your home being your castle. Thanks to surging local home prices, your home is now your portfolio.
How so?
After giving thanks that you bit the bullet and bought, consider this:
The median prices of King County’s detached homes and condominiums have climbed 16 percent since the first of this year — despite a growing number of homes listed for sale — leaving both the S&P 500 and the Nasdaq in the dust.
The S&P has grown a paltry 0.1 percent since January, while the Nasdaq has declined 3 percent.
Price gains in nearby counties, where sales are overwhelmingly single-family houses, also have been double-digit impressive.
Snohomish County’s detached-home prices are up 17.8 percent since Jan. 1, while Pierce County’s prices have increased 16.6 percent, and Kitsap’s 14 percent, newly released numbers from the Northwest Multiple Listing Service reveal.
That puts Puget Sound-area sellers firmly in control — a situation that’s increasingly more memory than reality for sellers in other parts of the country, where the housing market is cooling.
Because the Puget Sound area’s economy is strong, we’re adding buyers who can absorb higher interest rates, said O.B. Jacobi, owner and broker of Windermere Real Estate’s Wedgwood office. Rates have climbed from an average 5.62 percent a year ago to 6.79 percent this week for 30-year fixed-rate loans, according to mortgage-money provider Freddie Mac.
“You would think with the interest rate climbing that people’s buying power would have gone down a little bit, but we still haven’t seen it,” Jacobi said. “There are still tons of buyers in the market, more than sellers, and we’re still seeing open houses with 50-60 people going through them. Well-priced, cute homes are selling quickly with multiple offers.”
(MORE…)
Copyright © 2006 The Seattle Times Company
What’s funny is that they really don’t get why housing prices are rising there while falling in other areas…California speculators! People always come up with some kind of rationalization for why prices should detach from fundamentals. Interesting to hear what they come up with (surging pop growth, no more land, rich immigrants, second homes for Boomers, etc).
How about lax lending standards which caused parabolic price increases and a load of speculators who want to take advantage of the rising market who cause a rolling bubble????
They’re also neglecting to tell people that something like 45% of the market is price reduced. The exact numbers were posted on the seattle blog yesterday- astounding.
So there IS a limit after all to how high you can go in the Puget Sound area. Very irresponsible news article. But totally expected for the region.
I remember so well the crash in the late 80’s of the Denver housing market. (Most of my family is from there and I went to school there for awhile.) I also remember how much I noticed the delay when the housing crash finally hit California. I was not buying or thinking about buying at the time (still in school) and was not into investments, real estate, etc. It was just something I had observed and found interesting. That California followed the rest of the country but it did follow.
Am so glad that could never happen to Seattle as it’s different there.
I’ve mentioned this $1M Santa Barbara property before, but I just received a humorous junk-mail flyer from their realtor, which he sent to the surrounding neighborhood.
The headline desperately reads “Do you know anyone who might be interested in this property?”.
I guess stuff like this is no surprise for most of you, but this is pretty rare for Santa Barbara. I’m using this place as my barometer for the local market, it’s been for sale since January (first as a FSBO), was bought in 6/2004 for $875,000. It’s just a frumpy, 40yo tract home with a small yard on a busy street. This neighborhood used to sell for around $200-300K throughout the 90s.
“Great curb appeal.” Have to admit…that is a pretty nice curb.
SamK and Arroyo - LOL.
>Goleta
Hey, wait, that’s not Santa Barbara…that’s next to Santa Barbara. Almost location, almost location, almost location?
Bad Credit OK!
http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/rfs/179259532.html
Finally someone minces no words — I would hate to be someone with decent credit who bought in this building. NYC went through a wave of co-op owners walking away during the last downturn (when no one dared make such statments in RE ads). Gee, what will happen this time?
Whatever it said, it’s been pulled.
Just some “in the trenches” stuff… Don’t know what it means yet, and there might be other causes, but the sportfishing business in San Diego seems to be slower than most years. This summer, there are openings on long-range boats (most of the time, they’re booked a year+ in advance with waiting lists). Some short-range boats are occasionally having to cancel trips because they aren’t filling up. Very unusual in the summer, regardless of fishing conditions.
Nothing in stone, but I think it could be an indication of the slowing “wealth effect”. These trips are NOT cheap.
I love to hear about the tangenital effects of reverse ‘wealth effect’. I trade in some luxury goods for fun and profit on the side. Prices in these items have been stagnant for the last year, and are now dropping.
My passionate hobby is collecting 1950’s - 1960’s Matchbox cars. I buy and sell on eBay very frequently, and have for years. The prices for your basic run ‘o the mill cars have fallen off a cliff, a trend I’ve noticed since the beginning of the year.
Did you read the WSJ article about the surplus in vacation properties available for rent? To me a definate sign of a slowdown. Add to this the slower car buying…
Alas, my big indicator is Starbucks same store sales. Since that’s up 6%… We’re still ok (note: the street was disapointed as 7% was expected). Why this indicator? Yuppies will only give up the venti triple latte with madagascar cinamon when the pain is extreame. I’m thinking the next quarter’s results will be barely positive (yuppies get hurt later in the cycle than the lower middle class). I’m thinking this will be an ok Christmas. Christmas 2007 will be pain.
Neil
You into tanned genitals?
He meant tangential I think.
ya mean you’re not? Don’t tell me that went out of style too? Damn!
no albacore in big numbers this year
I remember seeing a listing for a sport fishing boat business offered for sale on craigs list recently.
I noticed the fluff of the poster trying to indicate how much money can be generated with the boat through charters.
And then I thought about all the competition in the sport fishing charter business in the Marina Del Rey area.
And now I am thinking, that business will be negatively effected by a down turn in real estat values and higher interest rates, because people will have less “equity” to pull from their real estate to spend on things like expensive recreational activities like paying for a charter on a sport fishing boat and all the extras that that costs.
I think that guy might already be feeling the financial pinch in less charters.
From today’s online discussion at The Washington Post:
“Ashburn, Va.: I’m so mad at my neighbor. I bought my new home here in Ashburn last summer and plan to sell it next year (after holding two years to avoid taxes) to make a nice return on my investment. The problem is my neighbor is trying to sell his house (very similar to mine) right now and he keeps lowering his asking price. Each time he lowers his price, I see my potential profits next year getting squashed. Doesn’t he realize he’s hurting the comps for all of his neighbors by doing this? I don’t think he is acting very “neighborly” by doing this. I want to say something to him and tell him he should stop putting his interests ahead of his neighbors. Its people like him who are ruining the market for the rest of us. If he would just refuse to lower his price, we could maintain our comps and everyone would benefit. What can I do to stop him?”
Kirstin Downey: ……One word of advice: Don’t resort to violence.
That’s funny - and scary. Why should his neighbour suffer to protect his speculation? If he wants the neighbour to stop, he’d better pay part of his mortgage
So typical of the “me first” mentality. If the whining bitch cares so much about the guy’s comps, she can buy the place herself. Otherwise, she can go pound sand and that is exactly what I would tell her.
Something similar happened to a friend of mine. Her husband got a job out of state, and they had to sell fast. They listed their house in the mid $400s. Their neighbor (with a similar house) got pissy and told them they shouldn’t have listed for less than $500K. They finally sold to the relo company for $425K, and the relo company sold it for $395K. Guess the neighbor’s really ticked off now.
I couldn’t resist sharing this since there’s always so much talk about Baby Boomers and their influence. Hey, what’s $6K for a toilet when you’ve pissed away (pun intended) hundreds of thousands on a house
http://tinyurl.com/nghyx
Baby boomers are helping to fuel the demand for luxury bathrooms.
I just spent $500 on a new toilet, and thought that was extravagent. A basic new toilet can be had for $120.
Now I’ll be embarassed to let visitors use my bathroom, because I clearly cannot afford to install adequate plumbing fixtures. Oh, the shame!
If you had purchased the $120 toilet, you’d have had to spend money for a special cabinet to keep the plunger in.
The $120 model is known in the business as a “two flusher”.
Just thought I would share one measly listing in Lake Tahoe, NV, an area which I pay attention to and one which has seen astronomical price increases during this bubble. MLS# 50025347 in Glenbrook is asking $4,889,000. This was purchased in 2000 for $2,175,000. Seems like they are asking a bit much to me since Zillow puts it at $3,596,000 and, in my experience, Zillow is almost always on the high side. This is merely one listing amidst hundreds with huge price tags. Inventories continue to climb in the area, Reno/Sparks/Tahoe climbing over 8000 now. Bubblicious for sure. I have noticed more and more homes available in Reno/Sparks for
P.S. While I live in the Seattle area, I am no techie to be sure, so if someone could direct me as to how to shorten the link (URL I think you guys call it) I could start posting them so these houses can be viewed. I have noticed many links which read tinyurl or something like that but I have no clue how to do that. Thanks in advance!!
Just go to the webpage below and paste in or type the too-lengthy URL in the field. One click and it’s converted to a tiny URL.
http://tinyurl.com/
Thanks!!
Thank you so much for sharing that. I never knew how that was being done and was ready to try an ask.com.
While we are sharing shortcuts….tuck this one away for a rainy day. It will allow you (most times) to register on sites that require registration to read their articles:
http://www.bugmenot.com/
BayQT~
I could never find Tiny but found simurl.com
seems fairly user friendly?
Visit tinyurl.com, and all will become clear.
That guy in Ashburn has to be a troll/fake, don’t you think? Is anyone really that…..out there?
But wait, here’s another one (albeit more politely worded):
Germantown, Md.: “We live in a townhouse with a neighbor who is selling a “handiman’s special” almost 10 percent under what we just bought our place for, which also needed some work. Should I start kicking myself for buying too high, or talk to the neighbor about their low price. I don’t think their agent is very knowledgable since they’ve been on the market for over a month without an open house and are showing by appointment only.”
Wonder how that conversation would go, exactly???
Situations like this (and the Ashburn dude) look like we could soon be seeing “real estate rage”. Road rage, take a back seat!
To the idiot in Ashburn VA. Did you stop to think that your neighbor really wants to keep lowering his price? I assume that he would like to get the highest price he can. But he hasn’t been able to sell the home and is lowering it to attempt to attract a buyer. How can you ASS U ME that you will find a GF next year when you go to sell your ‘investment’. We at Ben’s Blog know which direction your investment is going, and I can assure you that it is NOT up. Thank you for further fueling this ridiculous housing boom, and hope you have fun counting phantom profits. I ASS U ME that it will be negative by the time you sell (if you even are able to sell it).
Today, I saw an ad at the highway for a lottery by Centex: Win your 50k downpayment (and we sell you a house overpriced by 100k). I wonder what the chances are for “winning”.
Upon searching with Google, I found:
Centex Homes THINKING ABOUT A MOVE? PLAY THE CENTEX HOMES INSTANT WIN GAME FOR YOUR CHANCE TO WIN FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT CAN BE USED TOWARD A DOWN PAYMENT. THAT’S 50 G’S! JUST ENTER KEYWORD CENTEX HOMES KS95.COM! CENTEX HOMES. BE MOVED!
Sales seem to slow in Minneapolis, too, - many offices are not longer needed: Two large buildings of the largest two realty companies here, Coldwell Banker Burnett and Edina Realty, are up for lease.
Interesting. Thanks for the info!
The NAR just released a report “Survey Finds Monthly Costs Outweigh Purchase Price of Home Ownership” available here: http://www.mortgagenewsdaily.com/772006_Home_Ownership.asp
Great article! This definitely deserves its own thread!
Very nice. According to the NAR report:
“Some key results include:
By a two-to-one margin, people are worried about their monthly housing payments
About six in ten say that high property taxes and rising energy costs could cause them to sell their home
Almost four in ten are worried about rising home interest rates
Three in ten are worried that they or members of their family may have their home repossessed because they are unable to pay rising monthly mortgage payments
More than one third are worried that they may have to sell their home and buy a less expensive one because they are unable to pay rising monthly payments”
But don’t worry, it’s going to be a soft landing. Nothing to see here, move along.
“By a two-to-one margin, people are worried about their monthly housing payments…”
Funny — I am not worried about my monthly rental payment. Rents are going down, baby!
“Rents are going down, baby!”
Yup — they are here, too.
“Survey Finds Monthly Costs Outweigh Purchase Price of Home Ownership”
This title points directly to the abysmal financial ignorance that has put so many recent homebuyers in the pot they are now stewing in. I truly feel for the FB’s, as I personally know some very bright folks (e.g., professors w/ PhDs from good graduate econ programs) who do not grasp the basic disconnect between monthly payments and affordability in the fleeting low-rate, I/O Option-ARMed, free-money state of the world which we recently experienced, and which is now vanishing with the death of the conundrum.
I also know some very intelligent, well educated people (PhDs in science and engineering) who bought into this real estate hype. For myself this has been very eye-opening: it doesn’t matter how smart someone is if they’re not thinking critically!
just another observation in the nyc-area: last night while driving home from a nice evening in brooklyn’s prospect park, on the BQE i noticed 2 huge billboards with messages like “WE BUY HOUSES - CASH” and “SELL QUICKLY - FAST CLOSING”. nah, no trouble to report here..
WSJ’s “Cranky Consumer” reviews foreclosure sites:
http://biz.yahoo.com/weekend/fclose_1.html
This link is available through Yahoo for those who do not have WSJ Online subscriptions
another danger to So Cal residents - http://tinyurl.com/hjowt
“Asbestos laces many residential soils”
from Sciencenews.org
Janet Raloff
It was the mid-1980s, and Terry Trent and his wife, Carol Adams, had broken ground for their dream home. Atop a hill east of Sacramento, Calif., the remote, 10-acre site in the Sierra foothills offered plenty of privacy. As the couple eventually learned, it offered plenty of something else as well: a nasty type of asbestos known as tremolite. Respiratory exposure to this mineral has been linked with mesothelioma, a lung cancer that quickly turns fatal.
Trent vividly recalls his first encounter with the asbestos. He was working on what would become his front yard. “Operating a backhoe, I popped a roughly 12-inch diameter vein of tremolite out of the ground that was maybe 35 feet long. I thought it was some old, ancient tree root,” he told Science News.
Closer inspection revealed a fibrous mat resembling the asbestos that Trent had seen on insulation pads in his college chemistry class. Gently, he reburied the rope. His worries mounted after he turned up smaller ropes of the material throughout the rest of his property. Eventually, Trent found it poking through the surface in so many places that he decided to haul in 1,000 tons of clean-fill dirt to resurface his homestead.
This solution seemed adequate for 9 years—until construction began on the plot next to his. Thick dust regularly covered surfaces inside Trent and Adams’ home. The local newspaper, the Sacramento Bee, sent out samples of that dust for chemical analysis. It confirmed heavy contamination with asbestos. Pleas to the owner of the neighboring property and to local officials went for naught, and Trent and Adams’ insurance company refused to compensate them for the contamination.
Finally, the couple did the unthinkable. In 1998, they abandoned the house, then valued at $650,000.
Meanwhile, as other families moved into the area—the growing suburban county of El Dorado, where home values can now exceed $1 million—government officials tended to downplay any suggestion that the soil was toxic. That is, until last year, when the Environmental Protection Agency told local residents that its data showed worrisome concentrations of the carcinogenic fibers could be kicked up by normal activities.
What’s more, federal scientists now observe, El Dorado is hardly unique. Shallow, natural deposits of asbestos occur in 50 of 58 California counties and in 19 other states…”
wow. scary.
reading further one also learns that this is a problem in other areas as well, such as fairfax va and mendham nj.
a little OT maybe, but still indirectly related to the housing bubble.
Your article covers the foothills of Sacramento leading up to the Sierras.
It is fairly common knowledge that the soils contain asbestos.
But it doesn’t stop people in a mania.
The town is responsible for a lot being deemed “buildable”. Sounds like a lawsuit to me.
It’s earnings season!
Here is a list of the homebuilders in the $HGX index and when they announced their quarterly earnings in 2005.
BZH July 28, 2005
CTX July 26, 2005
DHI July 21, 2005
HOV September 7, 2005
KBH September 22, 2005
LEN September 26, 2005
MDC July 13, 2005
MTH July 27, 2005
PHM July 27, 2005
RYL July 20, 2005
SPF July 28, 2005
TOL August 4, 2005
Note that this doesn’t preclude warnings &c, a la HOV’s warning on May 1 of this year (which gapped-down the stock 2+ points) in advance of its June 4 earnings annoucement.
Exciting times, indeed!
Whoops, there are a handful of homebuilders not in the $HGX that are already stinking up the place:
Brookfield Homes stock falls after orders report (last night’s news, didn’t stop everything from going up 2% this morning)
Dominion Home sales drop 46% second quarter (after-hours news, yeah baby, stew on it all weekend, analysts!)
Add these to the ever-growing list of reasons for the homebuilders group to see a share price rally!
From the Yahoo WCI message board -
“Re: WCI Specifics (Not rated) 6-Jul-06 11:38 am Tuscany Reserve in North Naples/Bonita Springs-bought land to do lower end community- decided to go upscale and spent over $40 Million just to build and landscape large berm to try to block I-75 road noise-was told it doesn’t work (can still hear noise) and cannot sell the houses last two yrs and golf course is boring yet spent a fortune (trying to line the lakes at hugh costs)- have to maintain all that ($4-$5 M operating losses) with no members and no homeowners. No end in sight for losses.”
The post is very bearish on land holding costs and depreciation effects on WCI’s bottom line. Is this becoming common for all big HB’s? Personally see a lot of projects stalling in Pinal Co., AZ but hear little about costs to HB’s of doing such (yet.)
As to the person who posted this message on the WCI board, you can’t trust anything he says. I mean it.
I have a very large put position on WCI stock (I’m betting that the price will fall). This particular poster said a few weeks ago that WCI had waived the second 10% deposit requirement on its Lesina condo tower in Naples. FL. If true, this development would be significant, as it would show almost conclusively WCI’s fear of current contract holders walking from their deposits now (as opposed to 2007, when the tower is scheduled for completion), meaning futher that WCI would then be forced to currently book a huge loss for the cancelled contracts.
So, I called him on it. I bugged him rather relentlessly, and he finally admitted that he had NO IDEA of whether a second deposit requirement had been waived. Basically, he told a huge lie on the WCI board, and I will no longer believe a single thing he has to say. Neither should you.
“The post is very bearish on land holding costs and depreciation effects on WCI’s bottom line. ”
Seems to me this case was just one of bad management. Perhaps its showing in bubble environments, all development is not finacially sound.
Simmsssays… Favorite Childhood Toys
http://www.americaninventorspot.com/favorite_retro_toys
I was just thinking of how expensive or cheap relatively speaking, Plasma TVs are to condos or homes in bubble areas.
So I calculated that a 42″ plasma TV has 5.24sqft of viewing area. You can get a 42″ HD plasma for about $2000. So that would be $382/sqft for a 42″ plasma.
You can buy a 50″ plasma for $2500. A 50″ plasma will cost you $337/sqft.
Compare that to san diego, san fransicko, or condos in bubble areas where people pay $1000/sqft for wood, plaster, concrete, and carpet.
So plasma TVs on a sqft basis are 3-4x cheaper than houses on a sqft basis.
Move along when the crowd is right
Stand alone when the crowd is wrong
~John Gorka
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“Chuck Norris has counted to infinity. Twice.”
“Chuck Norris does not sleep. He waits.”
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Hyperinflation: Wiemar, Germany January 1919 to November 1923
[Expressed in German Marks needed to by an oz. of ag. or au.]
Jan. 1919 Silver 12 Gold 170
May. 1919 Silver 17 Gold 267
Sept. 1919 Silver 31 Gold 499
Jan. 1920 Silver 84 Gold 1,340
May 1920 Silver 60 Gold 966
Sept. 1921 Silver 80 Gold 2,175
Jan. 1922 Silver 249 Gold 3,976
May. 1922 Silver 375 Gold 6,012
Sept. 1922 Silver 1899 Gold 30,381
Jan. 1923 Silver 23,277 Gold 372,447
May. 1923 Silver 44,397 Gold 710,355
June 5, 1923 Silver 80,953 Gold 1,295,256
July 3, 1923 Silver 207,239 Gold 3,315,831
Aug. 7, 1923 Silver 4,273,874 Gold 68,382,000
Sept. 4, 1923 Silver 16,839,937 Gold 269,429,000
Oct. 2, 1923 Silver 414,484,000 Gold 6,631,749,000
Oct. 9, 1923 Silver 1,554,309,000 Gold 24,868,950,000
Oct. 16, 1923 Silver 5,319,567,000 Gold 84,969,072,000
Oct. 23, 1923 Silver 7,253,460,000 Gold 1,160,552,662,000
Oct. 30, 1923 Silver 8,419,200,000 Gold 1,347,070,000,000
Nov. 5, 1923 Silver 54,375,000,000 Gold 8,700,000,000,000
Nov. 13, 1923 Silver 108,750,000,000 Gold 17,400,000,000,000
Nov. 30, 1923 Silver 543,750,000,000 Gold 87,000,000,000,000
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Which country has these laws?
1. Only professionals or investors can immigrate to the country. No
Unskilled laborers will be allowed in.
Investors must be able to invest at least 40,000 times the daily average
Wage. If they can’t, they are not allowed in.
2. Immigrants may purchase property, but locations and availability will
Be limited. Ocean front property cannot be purchased by immigrants. It is
Exclusively for citizens born in the country.
3. Immigrants cannot vote nor can they be elected to any public office.
4. Immigrants cannot collect any type of government assistance.
5. Immigrants cannot protest the countries government, policies or
President.
6. Immigrants cannot display a flag of a foreign country.
7. Immigrants who have illegally entered the country will be found and
Imprisoned.
Well, these are laws that are currently part of the Immigration Laws of,
You guessed it, MEXICO!!!
1. Only professionals or investors can immigrate to the country. No
Unskilled laborers will be allowed in.
Investors must be able to invest at least 40,000 times the daily average
Wage. If they can’t, they are not allowed in.
2. Immigrants may purchase property, but locations and availability will
Be limited. Ocean front property cannot be purchased by immigrants. It is
Exclusively for citizens born in the country.
3. Immigrants cannot vote nor can they be elected to any public office.
4. Immigrants cannot collect any type of government assistance.
5. Immigrants cannot protest the countries government, policies or
President.
6. Immigrants cannot display a flag of a foreign country.
7. Immigrants who have illegally entered the country will be found and
Imprisoned.
Well, these are laws that are currently part of the Immigration Laws of,
You guessed it, MEXICO!!!
We are the biggest suckers in the world. Idiots wearing signs on our backs “abuse us,we’ll pay!”
“Prices slipping?” (in O.C.)
From Jon Lansner’s blog:
http://blogs.ocregister.com/lansner/archives/2006/07/prices_slipping_1.html#comments
For all those who support the “soft landing” theory……….
Judging from the fact that yoy decreases have just started to happen I would put it this way………..
We have just begun this decent and we are still 1,000 miles from the landing strip and running out of fuel real fast.
Major Tom to ground control………………
Stay tuned……….
“Though I’m past one hundred thousand miles
I’m feeling very still
And I think my spaceship knows which way to go
Tell my wife I love her very much she knows”
Ground Control to Major Tom
Your circuit’s dead, there’s something wrong
Can you hear me, Major Tom?
Can you hear me, Major Tom?
Can you hear me, Major Tom?
Can you….
PLEASE HELP ME WRITE A POWERFUL LETTER TO THE EDITOR!
Hi everyone,
A local realtor wrote a response to a well-written article about the local housing bubblet in the Springfield, MO newspaper. In his letter about the article the realtor talked up the housing market and encouraged people to buy. His letter is bad enough but then he didn’t even identify himself as a realtor (although the realtor-speak gave him away and an easy google search found him on the Murney Realty site!)
Anyway, I want to respond to his letter with my own letter-to-the-editor and I am asking you all for suggestions on what to say. I’d like to keep my letter short and factual, to counter his shrill BUY BUY BUY!
Here’s the original article:
Inflated real estate prices put home ownership out of reach
A snippet from the article:
Home prices are up 52 percent since 2000, to a record high of $130,800 as the median price for the first quarter of 2006, according to preliminary figures from the National Association of Realtors. The group does not compute an affordability index for Springfield, but housing prices have gone up twice as fast as family incomes, according to U.S. Census data. When prices go up faster than incomes, fewer local people can afford to buy without spending a larger percentage of their income for housing, particularly when interest rates rise as well, making the cost of buying more expensive.
Here’s the realtors’ misleading letter-to-the editor countering points made in the article:
Rising real estate values are good
Snippets from the letter:
Since when is the appreciating value of homes a bad thing? Granted, the odds of starting out with your dream home are slim, but with a little planning, that dream home is not as far away as some think. The best way to leverage yourself against rising values is to become a homeowner as soon as possible. Then you can relax and enjoy watching your investment grow in value. Not to mention, with all of the zero down and 100 percent-plus home loans now available, buying a home is easier than ever.
Saving your money is always a good thing, but your money will most certainly grow faster invested in real estate than it ever could sitting in some bank. If you’re currently making a monthly rent payment, you owe it to yourself to talk to a real estate professional.
Brian K. Jackson, Springfield
I easily found out why Mr. Jackson is such a cheerleader for real estate — he’s one of those helpful “real estate professionals” and he works at Murney Associates Realtors right in town (Springfield, MO). Incredibly, Mr. Jackson failed to identify himself as someone who would benefit if anyone took his letter seriously.
BRIAN JACKSON
So, please give me suggestions on my letter to the editor that I should write! I want to make a few key factual points (e.g. 1. high appreciation of homes can be very, very bad for a community example San Diego where only 4% of incomes can buy the median home help me here what is the real data? and 2. real estate values can and have and will go DOWN and 3. something about bankruptcy can be the result of these suicide loans.
Oh, and feel free to write your own letter to the editor or give Mr. Jackson a piece of your mind directly
There is a gaping disconnect between real estate industrial complex shills, who seem trapped in time circa August 2005, and the increasing anxiety which darkens the tone of mainstream press accounts of the real estate market. Case in point — the lead article in the Sunday SD Union Tribune Home section:
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Market’s future is anybody’s guesswork
Experts differ on strength of prices
By Emmet Pierce
STAFF WRITER
July 9, 2006
As the housing market continues to cool, consumers are getting mixed signals from real estate analysts and economists about the ongoing strength of home prices.
Just weeks after Harvard University reassured San Diego County homeowners that their equity was safe and prices would not plummet, The PMI Group warned that the region is among U.S. markets facing the greatest risk of price declines.
UCLA’s Anderson Forecast recently reported that California’s economy has reached a “tipping point” because of the current housing sales slowdown. Steven Hornburg, a longtime housing policy analyst based in Arlington, Va., said all forecasts should be treated with skepticism.
“Read them like you read tea leaves,” he said. “You are predicting the future. Some people are going to be more right than others. Sometimes they will all be wrong. A lot of folks are credible, but you need to look at the track record of the people who are making the predictions.”
Some analysts tend to be doomsayers, knowing that they will be praised for their insights when things go badly, he added. “If they have a habit of being a Cassandra, always saying the world will end, sometimes the world will end.”
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060709/news_1h09mixed.html
Call me Cassandra if you want, but I find the following pitch from the Sunday SD Union Tribune’s sdhomes Buying Guide laughably out of touch with present market reality. I love how the writer flatters the presumptively intelligent choices of recent buyers, turning the obvious post-bubble market collapse into a straw man, and inevitably arriving at the age-old Realtor’s (TM) mantra: “Real estate prices always go up.”
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What do today’s home buyers know about San Diego that other’s don’t?
By Steve Ring, Owner/Broker, Century 21 1st Choice
There are a multitude of buyers, about 5,000 each month, who don’t seem to care about San Diego’s high prices when making the decision to buy a home now. They come from all across the economic spectrum, from entry-level “first-timers” to the rich and famous.
But wait a minute… why would anyone think of buying a home in San Diego now? Haven’t they heard that prices may have peaked here, a housing bubble might burst, or that it might be better to wait to see if prices decline? Maybe today’s home buyers know something that others don’t.
Maybe today’s buyers are having a “light-bulb moment” when they realize there are several other reasons why buying a home now is the right decision, regardless of the uncertain market direction.
Today’s buyers may know that, unlike cars or stocks which can lose value that never comes back, real estate tends to always go up over time. Even if prices do go down, history has shown it’s usually temporary and will recover the upward trend. Despite market ups and downs, buyers know they can “build wealth” anyway by paying down their home loan and from tax savings. This wealth is built in ways you’ll never get from renting.
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH…
“history has shown it’s usually temporary and will recover the upward trend”
Yeah, it may only take 10 years for your newly purchased home to recover it’s value, so don’t be affraid.
“”In San Francisco, it’s not, ‘What is staging?’ it’s ‘Who’s your stager?’ It’s a given,” she said.” - from an interesting article in the Portland Press-Herald about professional stagers.
I would think the more stagers one can find in the phone directories, the wobblier a market’s home prices.
I’ve been enjoying this song for weeks and never really caught the lyrics until recently. Hauntingly appropriate. The text really doesn’t do it justice.
Calexico - Service and Repair
On the outskirts of expansion, looking out from Blueprint peak
The flow is flooding of urban setters panning through rivers running dry.
Numbers roll on in, smiling a lottery grin, a sadness blurs the eye…
It’s just a matter of time before they’re moving on
It’s just a matter of time before they’re moving on
Doesn’t take much time for plans to go wrong
and chase another ghost of a chance.
In the shadows of chain-store ghost towns
where no one walks the streets at night,
a silent nation hooked on medication,
stares into a blue flickering light.
the young drift off alone
and the old are whisked away
and prospects keep looking up,
but the line’s getting longer on the lost highway,
the line’s getting longer on the superstition highway
Doesn’t take much time for plans to go astray
and chase another ghost of a chance
They say deep down inside, lie properties of a healing
kind,
If so it’d better come around soon
and do a little bit of service and repair
do a little bit of service and repair
do a little more service and repair
Doesn’t take much time for plans to change
and offer up another chance
for a little bit more service and repair
do a little bit of service and repair
Doesn’t take much time for plans to change
and offer up another chance
at sewing the dream better suited for both soul and
soil.
Another million + Santa Barbara property. This place is a real dump. I’ve seen it. It’s about 900 square feet, if that.http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/rfs/179971697.html
latest update on the Dutch housing bubble:
- inventory for sale is booming and now by far the biggest in history; real estate brokers say this is caused by the ’strong confidence of the Dutch consumer in the economy’ (unfortunately, they don’t explain why this causes a surge in housing inventory and I doubt if there is real confidence anyway).
- salesprices still rising, especially for the more expensive homes.
More and more properties in my area are now for sale at over 10x their price from about years ago, before the bubble started.
- as in the previous year, again more problems with selling the cheaper homes, mostly because they have gotten out of reach for the kind of buyers that normally buy these properties. This is probably what keeps the average sales price rising.
- mortgage rates rising slowly but still extremely low historically; authorities now suspect that the Dutch banks made a silent agreement to keep mortgage rates artificially low (to save the bubble) and finance this by keeping interest rates on savings accounts/deposits artificially low as well (rates on savings accounts have gone nowhere despite higer ECB rates; despite declining savings, the Dutch have a lot of money in savings accounts).
- crazy lending still as healthy as ever and no sign that anyone is worried about rising foreclosures or the possibility of declining home values.
- probably some trouble brewing for later this year: there will be elections in three months and the new government will be forced to do something about the extremely favorable Dutch HMD (especially if interest rates keep rising).
line above should read:
10x their price from about 15 years ago, before the bubble started
NHZ, where have you been? Good to see you posting again.
thanks for the kind remark
I have been in hospital for a month and still have at least 1-2 months to go because of a tick byte (Lyme disease). So I have some catching up to do on the bubble front
nhz:
> authorities now suspect that the Dutch banks made a silent agreement to keep mortgage rates artificially low (to save the bubble) and finance this by keeping interest rates on savings accounts/deposits artificially low as well (rates on savings accounts have gone nowhere despite higer ECB rates; despite declining savings, the Dutch have a lot of money in savings accounts).
It surprises me that the lenders conspire to keep lending rates LOW. Not surprising are the low rates on saving accounts: They are also abysmal in the US and stay so despite a rising FED rate - but in the age of the internet, savers with a minimum amount can put their money easily elsewhere and earn decent interest.
I agree it sounds counter-intuitive. However, I think the clear objective of the banks is to keep the Dutch bubble expanding a bit longer, and make sure they get an even bigger portfolio of mortgages (many here are 10-year or 30-year fixed). All the big Dutch banks have huge investments in real estate, so raising mortgage rates would not be good for their balance sheets. And maybe they just know that the minor ECB rate hikes are temporary and that within half a year or so century-low ECB rates will be back again.
At some time (when the housing bubble has run completely out of gas) I’m sure the banks will start charging (much more) than the real cost for their mortgages - just not yet.
Weekend notes on inflation and the theory of fictitious capital:
http://www.xanga.com/russwinter
With a logic reminiscent of a generation earlier, statists argued that the gold standard was largely to blame for the credit debacle which led to the Great Depression. If the gold standard had not existed, they argued, Britain’s abandonment of gold payments in 1931 would not have caused the failure of banks all over the world. (The irony was that since 1913, we had been, not on a gold standard, but on what may be termed “a mixed gold standard”; yet it is gold that took the blame.) But the opposition to the gold standard in any form-from a growing number of welfare-state advocates-was prompted by a much subtler insight: the realization that the gold standard is incompatible with chronic deficit spending (the hallmark of the welfare state). Stripped of its academic jargon, the welfare state is nothing more than a mechanism by which governments confiscate the wealth of the productive members of a society to support a wide variety of welfare schemes. A substantial part of the confiscation is effected by taxation. But the welfare statists were quick to recognize that if they wished to retain political power, the amount of taxation had to be limited and they had to resort to programs of massive deficit spending, i.e., they had to borrow money, by issuing government bonds, to finance welfare expenditures on a large scale.
Alan Greenspan
[written in 1966]
Sales agent found dead in McKinney model home
11:37 PM CDT on Saturday, July 8, 2006
By MARGARITA MARTÍN-HIDALGO and KARIN SHAW ANDERSON / The Dallas Morning News
McKinney police are investigating the death of a 40-year-old woman found slain Saturday afternoon inside a model home in a new housing development.
Sarah Anne Walker died of injuries inflicted by an unknown weapon, McKinney police spokesman Randy Roland said in a written statement.
A couple visiting the show home found the D.R. Horton sales representative dead in the kitchen about 1:23 p.m., Capt. Roland said. The couple saw blood and then noticed the body facedown in the kitchen, said a neighbor, adding that she appeared to have been beaten.
Police were still at the home in the 5700 block of Conch Train Road late Saturday, and no other details were immediately available.
The Hemingway at Craig Ranch community, which is near Custer Road and State Highway 121 and is still under construction, is made up of high-end townhomes decorated with stone fronts and slate roofs.
“This is not an unsafe neighborhood,” said Pam Gossick, a real-estate agent who moved into the Hemingway several weeks ago.
“It’s odd, because you don’t expect this in McKinney,” she said.
Tony Vasquez is also a real estate agent and lives three buildings from the model home where Ms. Walker was found. He said she helped him buy his home and that they had stayed in touch since.
“She was always in a good mood and always happy,” Mr. Vasquez said. “She was sweet, very responsive and always returned my phone calls.”
Mr. Vasquez and others in the neighborhood said they believed that Ms. Walker was divorced and had a small child.
“She was excited because this community took off, and she was doing good.”
WFAA-TV (Channel contributed to this report.
NHZ,
Ditto - good to hear from you again.
thanks, it’s good to be back
Someone was looking for a site for forclosures. — ocwen has the va forclosures, just have to figure out by the numbers which one is a forclosure and which one is a regular listing.