July 27, 2017

If They’re Building More, There’s A Need

A report from the Aurora Sentinel in Colorado. “Tales of distraught would-be homeowners unable to snatch a dream home in Colorado’s scorching-hot housing market are more common these days than a weed shop on Colfax. Renters in metro Denver feel that pinch just as acutely. But, experts say, there has been some relief as landlords dish out a variety of discounts aimed at blunting those ever-rising rents and luring savvy renters always looking for a deal. Teo Nicolais, a real estate instructor at the Harvard Extension School and volunteer at the apartment association, said the bulk of those concessions come in the form of a free month of rent spread over the course of a lease. And the concessions aren’t limited to a free month, Nicolais said. Some landlords have offered free parking passes or discounts on pet deposit fees.”

“Last year saw a record number of new apartments built across the metro, he said, and 2017 is on pace to smash that record by more than 25 percent. That means lots of inventory out there and landlords eager to fill brand-new buildings that are usually empty the moment construction wraps. ‘If the property down the street from you is offering one month’s free rent, you need to offer it too,’ he said.”

From Curbed San Francisco in California. “San Francisco is building more, everybody agrees on that. But how much is more—and for that matter, how much is enough? The apartment rental site RENTCafe tapped research firm Yardi Matrix to take stock of the city’s new housing stock last week. And the numbers look superficially good: The Bay Area as a whole should yield 5,415 new apartments by the end of this year, with 1,860 in San Francisco itself.”

“The catch is, Yardi Matrix says that rate of construction is down 12 percent year over year. And in San Francisco it’s down 48 percent. Last year the Bay Area-wide product came to almost 6,200, which RENTCafe credits with putting the skids on space shuttle-velocity rent increases. ‘While demand is still strong in the city, this flood of new rentals [put] a damper on incessant rent growth,’ RENTCafe’s Ama Otet writes.”

From My San Antonio in Texas. “A real estate firm from Chicago purchased the $42 million Axis at the Rim luxury apartment complex last week. Sherman Residential bought the 10.5-acre, 308-unit complex from Trinsic Residential Group of Dallas, which finished building it about six months ago, said Scott Gould, Sherman’s senior vice president. Despite the apartment complexes being built around The Rim, Gould said he thinks the area will soon be built out — in other words, there isn’t a risk that droves of new apartments will flood the market and drive rents down.”

“‘We think the long-term prognosis is very strong for the area,’ he said. Real estate investors have purchased roughly 40 apartment complexes in Bexar County since the beginning of the year, property records show.”

The Real Deal on Florida. “The Boca Raton Planning and Zoning Board approved a plan for an upscale, 193-unit assisted living facility to be developed by Penn-Florida Companies in downtown Boca Raton. Developers are increasingly turning from condo development to apartments, amid slumping condo sales, which could eventually lead to a glut of rentals, experts say.”

“Jack McCabe, CEO, McCabe Research & Consulting in Deerfield Beach, said about 10,500 apartment units have been completed in South Florida in the last 18 months, and another 18,000 apartments are scheduled to be delivered during the next two years. Early this year, a Miami Downtown Development Authority report showed that Greater Downtown Miami will see more rental apartments delivered than condominiums in 2017 for the first time ever.”

From WDAZ on North Dakota. “More apartment complexes going up in Grand Forks. While some existing buildings remain almost completely vacant. Calsey Langston, ‘A quick google search comes up with fifty apartment complexes or property management companies in Grand Forks, but check this out, apartments.com shows 590 apartments available in our city and there’s about to be even more.’ A property manager from an older company wouldn’t go on camera, but he tells me, in one of their buildings, they have six vacant units. In another complex, twenty-eight units are sitting empty.”

“According to the Grand Forks city website, vacancy in town is at more than eight percent. This spring, one-bedroom apartments had the highest vacancy rate in five years. For two-bedroom apartments it’s a six-year high. But there are five more approved apartment buildings awaiting construction. ‘There is still a need for more housing like a lot of our buildings are absolutely full so I suppose if they’re building more, there’s a need for more apartments,’ says Garett Sondrol, Oxford Realty.”

“It’s still in question whether or not the demand will keep up with the over-supply.”

From Bloomberg on New York. “A pair of high-rise apartment towers is set to replace a decrepit parking deck in New Rochelle, extending the New York suburb’s effort to draw younger residents. In the past six years, developers have built or proposed 50 Westchester County residential projects within half a mile of a Metro-North station, to add 11,231 apartments.”

“Whether there’s demand for additional workspace may be questionable in a county where the office-availability rate has hovered close to 25 percent, about twice that of Manhattan, says brokerage Newmark Knight Frank. Even in the apartment market, Westchester is edging toward being overbuilt, with more than 1,000 rentals in the county’s pipeline for this year, according to Barbara Denham, senior economist at research firm Reis Inc. Vacancies are projected to rise to 4.4 percent this year, from 2.9 percent in mid-2016, Reis data show. ‘I think the market can absorb these units, but not 100 percent,’ Denham said.”

From Bisnow on New York. “A critical mass of new apartment buildings is opening in New York City, and developers are conceding more and more to renters in an effort to lease them up. Concessions — the industry term for free rent — by building owners were the second-highest on record, and nearly triple that of a year ago. At the same time, the inventory expanded for the 22nd month in a row. Renters are aware developers are scrambling, so the number of people shopping for discounts is increasing.”

“A new Yardi Matrix report found that New York has 26,739 units under construction, 7.8% of all housing units coming in the entire U.S. But developers can’t build these apartments fast enough, at the right price points, to make them affordable for all New Yorkers. In 2018, Citi Habitats says Manhattan will gain 4,442 apartments and Brooklyn an astonishing 10,581 as developers rushed to meet the demand of 2015 and 2016. By 2019, the number of units levels off to 3,425 in Manhattan and 6,791 in Brooklyn.”

“There are also more condominiums opening, and some of those will have investor units that will also compete in the rental space. That is why the competition is fierce to get the prospects to sign those leases. Citi Habitats President Gary Malin said owners can draw the line on the rental number and get 25 apartments leased, or give up some concessions and get 50 apartments occupied in the same period to start bringing in the rent money. ‘With a new building, you want to lease up as fast as you can,’ Malin says. ‘The market changes very quickly.’”

“The problem for investors, developers and the one-off owner: There are simply too many apartments on the market to keep prices soaring, and more are coming.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2017-07-27 08:55:43

‘590 apartments available in our city and there’s about to be even more.’ A property manager from an older company wouldn’t go on camera, but he tells me, in one of their buildings, they have six vacant units. In another complex, twenty-eight units are sitting empty.’

‘According to the Grand Forks city website, vacancy in town is at more than eight percent. This spring, one-bedroom apartments had the highest vacancy rate in five years. For two-bedroom apartments it’s a six-year high. But there are five more approved apartment buildings awaiting construction. ‘There is still a need for more housing like a lot of our buildings are absolutely full so I suppose if they’re building more, there’s a need for more apartments’

What I spotted about three years ago was this need is Yellen bucks looking for a place to die.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2017-07-27 09:34:57

‘Sherman Residential bought the 10.5-acre, 308-unit complex from Trinsic Residential Group of Dallas, which finished building it about six months ago…Real estate investors have purchased roughly 40 apartment complexes in Bexar County since the beginning of the year’

These are the merchant builders, who develop for the purpose of immediately flipping. It’s gonna be another twitter:

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TWTR?p=TWTR

Twitter, Inc.
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Comment by 2banana
2017-07-27 09:46:39

Well, there always Snap stock…

 
 
Comment by Mike
2017-07-27 10:08:56

Hamptons (LI, NY) beach homes hit new record up 13% in last year

if I had more bubble gum, I could blow more bubbles

Comment by 2banana
2017-07-27 10:26:57

It’s ironic how no one believes the oceans will rise when it comes to beachfront property…

And these are our best and brightest.

Perhaps they know it is all a farce.

Comment by LI LI Land
2017-07-27 12:02:44

It’s because they consistently have been bailed out by the feds whenever Dune Road etc washes out… Socialized risk, privatized profits…blah blah blah. They’re just better than us!

Comment by In Colorado
2017-07-27 15:19:40

Exactly, there’s been no shortage of storms to destroy coastal property, which gets rebuilt after every hurricane. As long as someone else is paying for it, it’s all good.

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Comment by James Bond
2017-07-27 15:21:19

NASA Confirms Falling Sea Levels For Two Years Amidst Media Blackout

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-27/nasa-confirms-falling-sea-levels-two-years-amidst-media-blackout

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Comment by SallySD
2017-07-27 17:10:15

I guess you don’t understand trend lines. Look at the chart, the full chart, from the NASA website. Not some blow up of a couple years of variation.
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2017-07-27 22:24:10

When you say “full chart”, do you mean the one that starts in 1870 and shows sea level rising from the start of the dataset? That one?

 
Comment by SW
2017-07-27 22:44:53

Sea level rises 1/2 foot in 140 years….

We better fire back up those coal power plants. That’s not nearly enough sea level rise to scare people into accepting global warming sanctions.

 
Comment by taxpayer
2017-07-28 08:14:18

why not build about 50 nukes
problem (if there is one) solved
either way they make cheap power

 
Comment by oxide
2017-07-28 09:07:06

Nukes regs are very expensive compared to cheap natural gas. Also nukes are all electric so you can’t use it to run transport. Unless you either use e= to make CH4 very inefficiently. Or we all drive $35K Teslas, but then you’d need 500 million batteries and 500 thousand e- fuel stations.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2017-07-27 15:26:01

Yeah….but….

AlGore predicted it would all be under 10 feet of water by now. With multiple CAT5 hurricanes a year…

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Comment by Rental Watch
2017-07-27 22:25:55

Well, you see, he got the direction right, but the magnitude wrong by a long shot…

Wait, no, we can’t admit that the climate models are hopelessly wrong…how else would we scare people into voting for us?

 
 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2017-07-27 11:38:15

CNBC fake news. The Hamptons have been in the crapper for almost 2 years.

Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2017-07-27 11:43:39

If that were the case, Ben, don’t you think the MSM’s Real Journalists would’ve let us know? I mean, the 2008 financial crash demonstrated their commitment to speaking truth to power.

Oh, wait….

Comment by Ben Jones
2017-07-27 11:54:41

It’s in the MSM. Just this week I pointed out Miami Beach condos have already fallen more in dollar terms than 2007. Early this year I documented near 50% declines in two condos bought pre-construction: one each in Manhattan and Miami Beach. Now it’s true they aren’t connecting dots. Check out these charts:

‘Is the real estate double bubble back?’

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Comment by taxpayer
2017-07-28 08:12:15

res in DC area is back to par,maybe off 4-5% ,but commercial scks ,especially office
par is 2004, maybe

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by JT
2017-07-27 11:19:05

So when do you think the bubble will burst? what would trigger it other than some job losses? Does the tax payers will have to bail them out again?

Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2017-07-27 11:32:34

Given the massive collusion and manipulation by the central banks, and their determination to keep levitating their Ponzi markets and asset bubbles for as long as possible, despite the systemic risks they’re creating, only an exogenous event - like a conflict breaking out with China - is going to be the catalyst for Humpty Dumpty falling off the wall.

Comment by scdave
2017-07-27 15:57:06

like a conflict breaking out with China ??

Everyone loses in a nuclear exchange. What’s more concerning is a singular event like a dirty bomb.

 
 
 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2017-07-27 11:57:11

It’s already coming apart. And that’s a good thing.

 
Comment by scdave
2017-07-27 16:03:15

So when ??

When the bond market says so. Even a 1% increase is a 33% hit to the mortgage market. Stay tuned.

Comment by aqius
2017-07-27 17:17:50

when Ben takes his fingers out of the leaky dike holding back the RE deluge long enough to accept his Pulitzer . . .

 
 
Comment by tango_uniform
2017-07-27 21:10:34

Trump’s “team” baiting the MSM into inadvertently telling the truth to counter some tweet of his?

@Trump via Twitter: “Everyone who owns a home is a millionaire. Your welcome! #Whitehouserulesallmarkets”

@CNN: “Housing markets have vapor-locked on as banks hold on to 20M+ pre-foreclosed properties. Your home is worth half of what you think. Reporting from LA is Trisha Bigbootie with the story…”

@NAR: “…oh, crap…”

 
 
Comment by Karen
2017-07-27 11:22:10

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/shell-prepares-for-lower-forever-oil-prices/ar-AAoVbwb?li=BBnbfcN

Here’s an example of another industry where the participants believed, and convinced a lot of other people, that supply was inherently constrained, demand infinite, and therefore their pricing power was absolute. We were endlessly treated to stories about a dark future containing ever-increasing oil prices that would crush the consumer.

Now the mantra is “lower forever”. The same thing is going to happen with housing of all sorts once this bubble breaks.

Comment by Ben Jones
2017-07-27 11:37:11

‘Oaktree Capital’s Howard Marks is sending a warning to markets. In his latest investing memo to clients, Marks — one of the most widely-read and respected investing pros out there — strikes an extremely cautious tone and recalls two memos he published in years most investors would like to forget: 2000 and 2007. Those memos cautioned on the excesses of the tech boom and housing markets, respectively.’

“Since I’m convinced ‘they’ are at it again — engaging in willing risk-taking, funding risky deals and creating risky market conditions — it’s time for yet another cautionary memo,” Marks writes.’

‘In his memo, Marks outlines what he calls the seeds for a boom, which include things like more money than ideas (the current bull market is often attributed to a surge in liquidity), willing suspension of disbelief among investors (“this time is different“), and pursuit of the new (think FAANG), among others.’

‘And it is this final idea, and the FAANG stocks, that perhaps sends the clearest warning to investors that they ignore history — and fairly recent history at that — at their own peril.’

“Bull markets are often markets by the anointment of a single group of stocks as ‘the greatest,’ and the attractive legend surrounding this group is among the factors that support the bull move,” Marks writes.’

‘And this belief results in investors trusting that a virtuous cycle cannot be interrupted, that the fundamental merit of the “super stocks” justifies buying them at any price, and a suspension of disbelief that “allows investors to extrapolate these positive views to infinity.”

‘“Most importantly,” Marks adds, “they’re viewed as having captured the future and thus as sure to be winners in the years to come.” But so many decades of market history have seen a set of hot stocks — the Nifty-Fifty in the ’60s, oil stocks in the ’70s, tech stocks in the ’90s, banks in the ’00s — falter. The inevitability of their long-running dominance eventually came crashing down along with the stock prices.’

‘Marks cites Jeff Bezos’ 1997 letter to Amazon shareholders, which noted the company’s important relationships with partners like America Online, Yahoo!, Excite, Netscape, GeoCities, AltaVista, @Home, and Prodigy. Twenty years later, the world looks quite different.

“I’m not saying the FAANGs aren’t great, or that they’ll suffer such a fate. Just that their elevated status today is a sign of the kind of investor optimism for which we must be on the lookout.”

Comment by MightyMike
2017-07-27 11:49:47

Jeff Bezos Becomes World’s Richest Person, Surpassing Bill Gates
By NICK WINGFIELD JULY 27, 2017

SEATTLE — Jeff Bezos on Thursday took something away from a billionaire neighbor in the Seattle area, Bill Gates — the mantle of world’s richest person.

A 1 percent pop in the shares of Amazon.com — the internet company Mr. Bezos founded, which accounts for the vast majority of his wealth — was enough to bump him over the wealth of Mr. Gates, the philanthropist and Microsoft co-founder, according to a real-time list of billionaires by Forbes.com, which has tallied the fortunes of the uber-rich for decades.

Forbes now estimates the wealth of Mr. Bezos, currently Amazon’s chief executive, at about $90.6 billion, compared with $90 billion for Mr. Gates.

Mr. Bezos has added tens of billions of dollars in wealth — at least on paper — over the last year as Amazon shares surged more than 40 percent during that time period. They traded at about $1,063 on Thursday, ahead of the release of the company’s latest earnings report.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/business/jeff-bezos-richest-man.html

Comment by Ben Jones
2017-07-27 12:32:40

‘March 20, 2017
Amazon Close to Breaking Wal-Mart Record for Subsidies’

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Comment by SFMF
2017-07-27 15:45:25

2 richest people in the world are both in Seattle.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2017-07-27 16:33:15

There are families that could buy all these guys out many times over.

 
Comment by aqius
2017-07-27 17:22:59

you wonder, as rich as they are, could they still get anyone to give ‘em a ride to the airport!?

house-sit the cat? ride home after cataract surgery?!?

 
Comment by In Colorado
2017-07-27 19:54:19

There are families that could buy all these guys out many times over.

I wonder what it must be like to be a Rothschild. To know that your family are the true rulers of the Earth … except for pesky places like Russia.

 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2017-07-27 15:47:18

There is a lesson in there somewhere….

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Marks cites Jeff Bezos’ 1997 letter to Amazon shareholders, which noted the company’s important relationships with partners like America Online, Yahoo!, Excite, Netscape, GeoCities, AltaVista, @Home, and Prodigy.

 
Comment by scdave
2017-07-27 16:07:43

Nice post Ben.

 
Comment by Karen
2017-07-27 16:37:10

Yes, the stock market will soon be another “lower forever” industry.

And yet we have posters who post here every day and just deny, deny, deny.

Rental_Fraud accused me of being a conspiracy theorist on yesterday’s thread when I pointed out a “study” he quoted was just RE industry BS.

 
Comment by Neuromance
2017-07-27 16:43:46

“I’m not saying the FAANGs aren’t great, or that they’ll suffer such a fate. Just that their elevated status today is a sign of the kind of investor optimism for which we must be on the lookout.”

I’ve always been curious about the intrinsic value of non-voting shares: http://fortune.com/2016/05/07/facebook-stock-mark-zuckerberg-sec/

Currently, Facebook (fb, +3.26%) has a dual-class stock structure, with Class A shares having one vote per share and Class B shares, which its founder Mark Zuckerberg and company insiders own, conferring 10 votes per share. The company intends to issue two Class C shares as a one-time stock dividend, which will grant economic ownership of Facebook, but no voting rights.

No dividend, no voting rights… purely a Keynesian Beauty Contest?

Comment by 2banana
2017-07-27 17:11:25

“Junk equity”

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Comment by Rental Watch
2017-07-27 22:30:20
 
 
 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2017-07-27 11:30:07

Social unrest in China is going to snowball as the extent of the systemic fraud in the financial system gets harder and harder to mask with QE-to-Infinity.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/2104294/sixty-seven-held-after-big-pyramid-scheme-protest-beijing

Comment by junior_kai
2017-07-27 14:45:40

Nah, they’ll just pump them with GMO-poisoned food so they’ll be too fat to get off the couch and riot. You seen the videos of the antifa types? Yeah, there’s a few rail thin types who look like they suck their nutrients out of the air like epiphytic orchids, but for the majority they better hope they dont run into the antifatass crowd, it wont be pretty.

 
 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2017-07-27 11:49:20

How much will Screech rake in when the financial firms who benefited from Bill’s repeal of Glass Steagal buy up pallets of her book blaming everyone but herself for her failed presidential bid?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/hillary-clintons-new-book-what-happened-makes-for-hilarious-r-rated-internet-2017-07-27

Comment by scdave
2017-07-27 16:17:51

Bill’s repeal of Glass Steagal ??

Got to call BS on that one RKH. Two republicans drove the bus on that legislation and there were more than enough votes to overcome a veto. Bill just went along to get along. Sorry. You got to hang that one around the republicans neck.

Comment by 2banana
2017-07-27 17:09:19

Yeah. Bill Clinton was against the repeal until he was for the repeal.

Oh look - it could have been filibustered…kinda like with the obamacare repeal.

“The Senate had already passed its version of the bill on May 6 by a much narrower 54–44 vote”

Such leadership…such inspiration

Just own it. It’s like saying Iraq wasn’t Bush’s fault because Hillary, Biden and Kerry voted for it.

 
Comment by 2banana
2017-07-27 17:16:27

“There’s not a single, solitary example that” signing the bill to end Glass-Steagall “had anything to do with the financial crash.”

— Bill Clinton on Tuesday, August 11th, 2015 in an interview with Inc. magazine

Comment by scdave
2017-07-27 17:43:17

Republicans created the legislation and passed it 2-fruit…Blame the “LIBERALS” all your want but you guys own it…As you own Bush, 9-11, WMD and the melt down in September 2008…Just reminding you…

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Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2017-07-27 17:48:03

I detest Clinton and Bush equally, for precisely the same reasons. Both are Oligopoly stooges.

 
Comment by rms
2017-07-27 18:37:13
 
 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2017-07-27 22:53:09

Democrats got on board with the bill once there were changes to the bill that expanded the reach of the Community Reinvestment Act.

Then it passed 90-8 in the Senate and 362-57 in the House.

After signing the law, WJC said (among other things):

“my Administration has worked vigorously to produce financial services legislation that would not only spur greater competition, but also protect the rights of consumers and guarantee that expanded financial services firms would meet the needs of America’s underserved communities.”

Free mortgages for all! That can’t end badly, right?

Brooksley Born tried to tell Clinton that they should regulate derivatives…but Rubin and Larry Summers opposed it, instead, Clinton signed the Commodities Futures Modernization Act in 2000–definitely his baby.

And in 2009…Clinton said about both pieces of legislation:

“I think that the only thing that our administration did or didn’t do that we should have done is to try to set in motion some more formal regulation of the derivatives market. They’re wrong in saying that the elimination of the Glass-Steagall division between banks and investment banks contributed to this.”

Sorry, but you have to admit that there is at least as much fault on Clinton’s plate than anyone else’s when it comes to setting the scene for the financial crisis.

Comment by rms
2017-07-28 06:51:17

“Brooksley Born tried to tell Clinton that they should regulate derivatives…but Rubin and Larry Summers opposed it, instead, Clinton signed the Commodities Futures Modernization Act in 2000–definitely his baby.”

Economic bubbles are not recognized by those inside of them, and the entire Western world has become quietly trapped inside the largest economic bubble in history. The global financial crisis that began in 2008 has been attributed to sub-prime mortgage lending and mortgage backed securities (MBSs), such as collateralized debt obligations (CDOs), which were revealed as toxic assets. While the root cause of the financial crisis is assumed to have been the residential real estate asset price bubble, the underlying systemic risk, and the primary reason for the “too big to fail” doctrine whereby governments were compelled to save financial institutions at any cost, lies in over the counter (OTC) derivatives. The suspension of the US Financial Accounting Standards Board (FASB) mark-to-market rule in 2009 preserved the value of bank balance sheets, i.e., of their mortgage portfolios, but what was of far greater importance was that it prevented triggering the conditions of thousands of OTC derivatives contracts, such as credit default swaps (CDS), that would have wiped out virtually all of the largest banking institutions in the world. —Ron Hera

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Comment by Carl Morris
2017-07-28 09:57:39

The suspension of the US Financial Accounting Standards Board (FASB) mark-to-market rule in 2009 preserved the value of bank balance sheets, i.e., of their mortgage portfolios, but what was of far greater importance was that it prevented triggering the conditions of thousands of OTC derivatives contracts, such as credit default swaps (CDS), that would have wiped out virtually all of the largest banking institutions in the world.

That’s a lotta foam.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2017-07-27 11:53:07

Mortgage rates and gold are calling BS on Yellen the Felon’s dissembling about reducing the Fed’s balance sheet “relatively soon.”

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/mortgage-rates-slide-despite-feds-relatively-soon-warning-on-bond-drawdown-2017-07-27

Comment by Professor Bear
2017-07-28 06:18:27

The “Boy Who Cried ‘Wolf’” strategy only works so many times before losing its heft.

 
 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2017-07-27 15:23:50

Got this odd sense of deja voux—but Yellen sees no bubbles.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-27/next-us-housing-bubble-has-arrived

 
Comment by SFMF
2017-07-27 15:42:02

“so I suppose if they’re building more, there’s a need for more apartments,’ says Garett Sondrol, Oxford Realty.”

LOL. OH I see how it works. More supply means there’s more demand. What a dolt.

Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2017-07-27 15:45:56

The trees waving make the wind blow.

 
Comment by 2banana
2017-07-27 15:50:03

Wonder what the supply would be with an historic 7% prime rate and banks forced to eat their bad loans…?

Comment by scdave
2017-07-27 16:23:31

The foundation for recovery in the world economies has been built on historical low interest rates. In that regards, the world economy’s cannot withstand a significant increase in rates at least in the near term.

Comment by Neuromance
2017-07-27 16:57:26

An interesting development is the level at which the ECB, the BOJ and the Fed are able to print money to buy government debt. If prices remain relatively stable (especially see Japan) in this regime, suddenly a big reason to suppress interest rates goes away.

If that transaction - the central bank printing money to buy government debt - is taken out of the public debt markets with no obvious, immediate impact, the requirement for low interest rates is lessened, as the government doesn’t have to borrow on the open market.

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Comment by Mafia Blocks
2017-07-27 17:14:56

Incorrect.

An economy is foundational upon affordable prices.

Remember….. Nothing accelerates the economy, creates jobs and raises the standard of living like falling prices to dramatically lower and more affordable levels. Nothing.

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Comment by Neuromance
2017-07-27 16:51:05

I don’t say prosperity comes from the ground up because of any romantic notion of the “common man” or any such thing. It’s just that I observe that the US was historically prosperous when the wealth was distributed more equally; and that only in banana republics, 3rd World dictatorships and oligarchic kleptocracies where wealth reliably gravitates upwards, that the standard of living tends to be lower.

The other reasons I hear for US stagnation are that we’re no longer in a post-war economy; globalization; automation. And those are valid points. But I don’t think reverse-robin-hood or trickle down policies help; and do in fact, exacerbate the situation.

Comment by 2banana
2017-07-27 17:13:12

It seems the bigger government gets, with more regulations and higher taxes…

The wider wealth inequity becomes.

There is a lesson in there somewhere.

Comment by MightyMike
2017-07-27 17:24:17

That’s incorrect. There’s less inequality in many countries that have bigger governments than America’s.

Comment by 2banana
2017-07-27 17:36:21

Like Cuba and Venezuela…

Because, except for the elite, they all became dirt poor.

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Comment by MightyMike
2017-07-27 17:48:18

No, I was referring to nearly all of the OECD countries.

Also, the American government grew quite significantly between the 1930s and the 1960s. Inequality declined quite a bit during that period.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2017-07-28 07:25:04

While what Mike is true, there is a flip side to the coin. An anecdote:

My brother works for a multinational near Raleigh, NC, where he’s a first tier (bottom of the rung) manager. Another manager, a European, was sent back to the European division, in Denmark, I believe. Said manager told my brother that his family’s standard of living was going to take a huge hit upon returning home as his pay would be lower, but would be paying more taxes. That they could only afford one car, and not as nice as the cars they have here (also Eurotrash, but higher end Eurotrash), would live in a flat as opposed to a house and in general would have far less discretionary income to spend.

I saw this with my UK relations. For them, going out to a real restaurant was a very big deal. Vacations were rare. And most had a single, tiny hatchback.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2017-07-28 08:19:17

In Colorado…thanks for the note…we are also seeing quite a few people from Paris coming to the SF Bay Area. Aside from the anecdotes from a friend who is French speaking, and has seen an influx of Parisians to the SF Bay Area, I have cousins in the 14th in Paris…they are doing quite well (very well, by any financial measure). While on one hand they are clearly left-leaning, on the other, they have sent their kids to the US for summer camp, and have already sent them to London for boarding school so they could learn English (before they were teenagers). They want to make sure their kids have the language skills to come to the US…

My cousin’s wife was proud of the fact that her sister got a US Green card, so she could permanently be over here. If things are so wonderful, why are those with the means getting the hell out of the French socialist paradise?

This begs the question…What is the role of government? To minimize inequality? Or to set the stage for people to succeed…or not.

Of course there needs to be safety nets (a great fix for Social Security was included in the Bowles/Simpson plan that strengthened the Social Security safety net). That’s not what I’m saying at all…but when the government starts to push things like free liberal arts education for all, lending to economically disadvantaged so they can buy homes, and people are openly talking about “wealth redistribution” we’ve gone way too far in the role of government.

 
Comment by MightyMike
2017-07-28 08:51:12

Denmark usually scores near the top in the human development indices. Of course, high levels of equality in the USA have to be good for someone. That would include educated professionals in cheap southern states.

 
Comment by oxide
2017-07-28 09:22:27

I’m with you, Rental Watch. I understand that need for government to provide the functions which are necessary but unprofitable (school for the poor and health insurance for 65+, for example), but I think we’ve gone way too far with the freebies.

 
 
Comment by Raymond K Hessel
2017-07-27 17:37:35

Strive for relevance, Mikey.

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Comment by scdave
2017-07-27 17:46:47

we’re no longer in a post-war economy; globalization; automation ??

Automation is going to create more problems then it solves…And, the problems could likely be irreversible…

Comment by Larry Littlefield
2017-07-28 03:51:10

I hear there is a farm labor shortage in California. Because people have to pick fruits and vegetables one at a time, by hand.

Don’t you think coming up with machines that allow one worker to do more work and thus be paid more to harvest fruits and vegetables the cost less from farmers who make more money would be a good thing?

Comment by Neuromance
2017-07-28 04:23:36

One always has to meditate on unintended consequences.

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Comment by In Colorado
2017-07-28 07:15:53

Given that most farm labor are illegals who would probably go home when the work disappears, saving taxpayers countless billions in K-12, Medicaid, and other expenses, where’s the downside?

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2017-07-28 08:21:52

where’s the downside?

What are the negative consequences of consolidation in the industry (the elimination of the small farm)? The same thing happened with field crops with giant machines.

 
Comment by oxide
2017-07-28 09:26:33

The problem is that illegals tend to bring their families and pop out citizen kiddies. Between bennies for the kid, living 12 to a house, working under the table from the Home Depot parking lot, and going to the SJW food banks, they *don’t* have to go home.

 
 
Comment by Lower Forever
2017-07-28 17:30:34

Don’t you think coming up with machines that allow one worker to do more work and thus be paid more to harvest fruits and vegetables the cost less from farmers who make more money would be a good thing?

I’ve said before this automation and robotics thing isn’t what it’s pumped up in the msm to be.

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Comment by CA renter
2017-07-28 05:26:06

Agree 100% with your thoughts on this, Neuromance.

And the size of the government has nothing to do with it, either. As you (and others) have noted, the most prosperous countries with the most equitable distribution of wealth and income tend to have more regulations and more “government.”

One cannot compare Cuba or North Korea, etc. to our economy because we have embargoed and sanctioned these countries to death. Additionally, we regularly threaten any socialist/communist country with war (socialism/communism being the the one common thread between the U.S. and nearly every other country we’ve been fighting in recent decades).

Supply-side economics has proved to be an utter failure. Not sure why people keep trying to flog this dead horse back to life. Time to look at economic systems that actually work.

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2017-07-27 17:10:01

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Comment by 2banana
2017-07-27 17:14:59

Timber?

 
 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2017-07-27 18:38:12

How bout them falling housing prices….

Davis, CA Housing Prices Crater 8% YoY

http://www.movoto.com/davis-ca/market-trends/

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2017-07-27 19:40:41

The Bay Area’s real estate affordability crisis has officially reached biblical proportions.

The city of Palo Alto is cracking down on churches that are trying to cut costs by subletting their space.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/07/27/palo-alto-neighborhood-churches/

 
Comment by Larry Littlefield
2017-07-28 03:48:44

Well, you can’t say that NYC doesn’t need all these apartments. The question is, even with massive subsidies (no property taxes for 35 years in some cases, no contribution to the increasingly stressed infrastructure) can the city build its way out of the housing shortage? And will all that high-end housing trickle down to lower rents for the older, existing buildings?

In my neighborhood, virtually every under built lot has now been built on.

Comment by aNYCdj
2017-07-28 07:20:53

Long Island city the most upgraded place in america…..yet the 7 is jammed and no one will build a new tunnel in the next 25 years..and how many 6 figure jobs can be created to fill all these towers?

The going math is 40-42x your monthly rent, so $3K mo. means you need to earn $120k to even apply

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