The Question That Seemed Unthinkable
A report from Habitat Magazine on New York. “Since 2013, developers have poured thousands of new Manhattan condo units onto the market. In 2017’s second quarter, condo inventory in the borough stood at around 5,900 – up 35 percent year over year, according to Halstead Property Development Marketing. And prices for new condos are significantly down amid a slow down in luxury sales. Translation: developers citywide are sitting on unsold units. Lawyers, brokers and developers acknowledged that people are starting to sweat. Nikki Field of Sotheby’s International Realty said the pressure from lenders has ramped up in the past 18 months as the market has struggled to absorb a glut of new units. ‘The banks are calling in, and developers have got to deliver,’ she says. ‘They have deadlines to hit for signed contracts, they have pressure. The longer [a project] goes, the more it costs developers. There’s a real sense of urgency to move product.’”
“And it’s not just banks turning up the heat. The private equity funds that ramped up lending when traditional banks pulled back are also under the gun, because their funds have strict timelines that cannot be extended. That unease has prompted some developers to turn to a variety of strategies to curtail financial damage and salvage profits, including cutting prices, dangling concessions, selling blocks of unsold units and seeking inventory loans, which use sponsor apartments as collateral.”
“People are beginning to ask the question that seemed unthinkable just a couple of years ago: did the condo building blitz go too far?”
The Real Deal on New York. “The vacancy rate for New York’s rental apartments could soar from a current 3.8 percent to more than 11 percent by the end of 2018, according to a new analysis. The culprit: a surge in new construction. ‘It seems inevitable that you are going to see some pain in the market,’ Ten-X chief economist Peter Muoio wrote. The firm also predicts rents will fall as more new apartments hit the market, citing a slowdown in job growth that is likely to hurt demand.”
From Bisnow on Washington DC. “The unprecedented number of apartment units coming to the D.C. market this year is beginning to take its toll on rent prices. The District will welcome a record 7,054 apartment units this year, most heavily concentrated in the Capitol Riverfront and NoMa submarkets. The second quarter was the year’s busiest period for apartment deliveries, creating intense competition among landlords. More than 2,400 units delivered in the District in Q2 alone, according to Newmark Knight Frank’s Q2 multifamily report. A total of 12,621 units are under construction, promising to continue the heavy supply surge for the next 18 months or more.”
“‘It has been an unprecedented amount of deliveries,’ NKF researcher Bethany Schneider said. ‘It seems like every quarter there is a question of, ‘When will we be oversupplied? When will the other shoe drop?’”
“That question appears to have been answered this past quarter. The competition is being most felt in the concessions landlords offer, Schneider said, a metric that is factored into the effective rent. Landlords with hundreds of units to fill are ramping up the incentives they offer to prospective tenants. ‘This is really the first indication that the supply is starting to outpace the demand,’ Schneider said.”
From KHOU in Texas. “There’s a boom in downtown Houston. Right now, there is more than a billion dollars’ worth of construction going on, and much of it is residential. ‘You know, we think it’s a smart gamble,’ said Hines project director David Haltom. ‘The real estate game is about making smart bets, and we believe in the future of Houston and the future of this area in downtown Houston in particular.’”
“Hines is a $120 million residential project. There are 224 units at Aris, which run from around $1,700 a month to more than $10,000. Despite those prices, Haltom and others believe there is pent up demand downtown while other parts of Houston deal with an apartment glut. According to the Downtown District, the average asking price for an apartment is $2,654. The average home value is $489,390.”
The Real Deal on Florida. “One of the previous developers of the oft-delayed, oft-troubled Conrad Fort Lauderdale Beach condo-hotel project lost between $55 million to $85 million when it sold its stake to Quebec, Canada-based Heafey Group seven months ago, according to a lawsuit recently filed in Miami-Dade Circuit Court.”
“As a result, the former developer, Doral-based Conrad FLB Management is unable to pay back a $1 million promissory note plus accrued unpaid interest it obtained from Diego Investments Ltd. in 2013, the lawsuit states. Diego Investments is suing Conrad FLB for allegedly defaulting on the loan and unjust enrichment. On the third anniversary of the loan, Diego Investments exercised an option for full payment of the note, plus accrued unpaid interest, the lawsuit claims. Unbeknownst to Diego Investments, Conrad FLB’s affiliate sold its stake to Heafey at a ‘material loss’ and ‘the borrower is now in an inferior financial position’ than at the time the note was issued, according to the suit.”
“‘When the note was called, they were nowhere to be found,’ said Jason Giller, Diego Investments’ attorney. ‘And it was only during our investigation did we learn that the project was surreptitiously sold, without notice, consent or substitution.’”
From MarketWatch. “The ninth inning of a baseball game is often the point when all of the game’s story lines come to a head. In the commercial real-estate business, we have a ninth inning as well. But ours is exciting for a different reason: Instead of the last moments of a well-played game, the ninth inning in real estate is defined by a last-minute flurry of activity before an overhyped, overpriced market finally flames out and falls back down to Earth.”
“There might still be some deals to be found, but it is not what we call a ‘wholesale market’ anymore. At this stage, you are buying near the top, just as prices are about to plateau or even dip. The problem for investors is that often, especially as markets are heating up, many people forget their Economics 101. They forget that what goes up can, and must, also go down. They get caught up in the hype, in the idea that things have been so strong for so long that they can never go down again.”
“But that’s not reality. Economies do cool off and they do correct themselves. It happens every time.”
yep / economies cool off / the tide goes out / and no thanks, I DON’T want to see who’s been swimming naked anymore.
“You know, we think it’s a smart gamble,’”
It’s always lots of fun to gamble with other people’s money. Degenerate Gamblers.
‘When the note was called, they were nowhere to be found,’ said Jason Giller, Diego Investments’ attorney’
Jason Giller has an interesting history. He represents Colombo, the owner of The Collection, a high-end sport car dealership. That tells you that the principals behind Diego Investments will not be gamed.
Except they already were gamed. They were gamed when they signed on the dotted line.
Cueing Mr. Banker…
“But that’s not reality. Economies do cool off and they do correct themselves. It happens every time.”
That’s right. What goes up comes crashing down. It always does. It’s the way the world works.
‘People are beginning to ask the question that seemed unthinkable just a couple of years ago’
What’s the old saying? A ten year cycle and people have eight year memories. If Tokyo can be overbuilt, any place can. There’s no shortage of housing nor land anywhere and there never has been.
‘People are beginning to ask the question that seemed unthinkable just a couple of years ago’
I was at a conference in January 2016, and one of the main themes THEN was that institutional investors already knew that NYC condos were oversupplied set to fall in value (too many started, pre-sales weakening, etc.).
The discussion revolved around “how bad is it going to get”, with the primary answer “pretty bad”. I believe the word “bloodbath” was used more than once (as in “it’s going to be a bloodbath”).
People aren’t “beginning” to ask the question…that conclusion had been arrived at 2 years ago. It’s just that the author wasn’t paying attention to starts and pre-sales 2 years ago…just the sales volume and prices for completed condos.
Or they could have read this blog in fall of 2014 on and known this was all coming.
they could of read this blog from 2005ish & saved big buck$ on all those subscriptions. as for me:
I read Ben’s Blog
aint’ no boilin’ frog
gonna swim right thru that
rage . . . cage
(chorus)
wassup’ girl
lemme feed yo’ pretty squirrel
the rents too high
the rents too high
my life would be complete if Kate McKinnon rapped that as Justin Biebs
At first I thought this might be soundgarden, but then I didnt know what it was. Insane Clown Posse could rap it. I would like to see the current and past fed reserve chairs photoshopped into a picture of ICP because thats really what the fed should be called.
SoundGarden: “Chris Cornell’s voice could peel the paint from a wall ” from a music review article.
one of my favorite bands.
but they were just a few spontaneous verses reflecting the Housing Bubble blog culture.
thanks for cool comments.
“Economies do cool off”
Even talking to small business owners who have been in business for decades sometimes more than 30 years are seeing a very serious slowdown.
Small business owners are very nervous despite their Trump optimism
Even talking to small business owners who have been in business for decades sometimes more than 30 years are seeing a very serious slowdown ??
What area may I ask ??
If I’m not mistaken, SUGuy is in upstate New York and the SU is for Syracuse University.
This is across the country
Mountain View, CA Housing Prices CRATER 9% YOY
http://www.movoto.com/mountain-view-ca/market-trends/
still perky in the burbs
no FBI coming to N VA,but more dod spending=total confusion
DebtDonkeys
“‘When the note was called, they were nowhere to be found,’ said Jason Giller, Diego Investments’ attorney. ‘And it was only during our investigation did we learn that the project was surreptitiously sold, without notice, consent or substitution.’”
forgive us, oh financial bagholders, if us peons don’t exactly shed tears as you find yourselves naked & without a chair as the music stops.
and I think the Ozarks will have some new carpetbaggers.
With declining birth rates, near linear/steady population only netting a 15% population change from 2001-2017, its a wonder who all this magical demand came from? All the media narratives about millennials living at home longer, in the basement, and home ownership near 1963 levels, no frickn wonder we will see a vacany/overbuilt problem in 2018 and beyond. I mean the numbers dont lie. Boomers are retiring, downsizing, or dying off.
I cant wait to pick up a condo in my favorite cities for a 50% discount.
Smart people buy more than one
R u back in va beach?
We go there allot.
Kind of a busy place
50% is not nearly enough of a discount on current pricing of condos
Dandroidz, my guess is that it is locational demand, so to speak. Millenials moving from their Northeast dying boomer houses to the south and west. You don’t need a population increase for that kind of demand.
Looks like the Toronto housing market is starting to collapse. Check out wolfstreet.com. All of a sudden
Miami Beach, FL Housing Prices CRATER 5% YOY
https://www.zillow.com/miami-beach-fl/home-values/
Ding, ding, ding! Saw this book on the new book shelf at the library today:
https://www.amazon.com/Flipping-Houses-Dummies-Lifestyle/dp/1119363071/ref=dp_ob_title_bk
There was a 2014 edition too. Wonder what changed since 2014?
The new edition probably addresses changes on the mortgage side, perhaps some pricing.
I would probably check out the book just for the curb appeal and renovation hints.
National Realty 10% Guaranteed !
I seen it on the tv
Realtors are liars.
“People are beginning to ask the question that seemed unthinkable just a couple of years ago: did the condo building blitz go too far?”
Nope, just the prices.
What’s your market. People with jobs who want to live in New York? Huge demand. The .01 percent? Not as much.
‘People with jobs who want to live in New York? Huge demand.’
Are they living in cardboard boxes right now? And what is the demand for $25-100 million condos? Lots of trade people about to be laid off, loans already going sour.
You can ask $14,000 for your used 1972 Chevy Nova but will it get any takers?
https://maine.craigslist.org/cto/d/72-nova-396-big-block/6247454643.html
Not in that condition, it won’t. If it was fully restored and pristine, maybe.
Let’s say that vehicle sold for $3,000 in 1972, which is 45 years ago.
Let’s also say someone will pay $14,000 for it in 2017.
Use a bit of math and it boils down to a compounded average return of 3.48%.
If you’re willing to pay $14k for a 45 year old vehicle, then you’re not buying transportation, you’re buying yourself a form of entertainment.
Exactly, it’s pure nostalgia. Of course the biog block V8, assuming it’s been properly overhauled, is the icing on the cake.
Apparently, a well restored Nova SS (which the above mentioned car is not) can fetch 30 grand.
https://classiccars.com/listings/find/1972/chevrolet/nova-ss
But like you said, this is “entertainment”. A car you drive only a few times a month.
Those no as we’re cool
Fuely heads on the stock 350
3.8 percent to more than 11 percent by the end of 2018, according to a new analysis.
HA analysis?
DebtDonkeys.
Chevy Chase, MD Housing Prices CRATER 14% YOY
http://www.movoto.com/chevy-chase-md/market-trends/
Hey Ben,
In West LA, there are a ton of new units hitting the market now or will be completed shortly. I’m fascinating to see what kind of rents they actually get.
One of the 2BR units in this building went to market at $5K and got rented for $3,500. Another listed at $6K and dropped to $5K.
http://www.homes.com/property/11162-exposition-blvd-los-angeles-ca-90064/id-1000001078170/
That’s a small one. There are at least 15-20 other buildings with upwards of 20-30 units each coming online. I’m fascinated to see what these will actually fetch. They’re all reaching for $4,500 and $5K/mo.
Who the f would rent for $5K? Get a freakin’ house at that point.
I think they’re all chasing tech and down in a area called Playa Vista, there’s a major Facebook campus and other big tech companies. However, a f-load of units have been built down there with a huge number coming online at a place called Howard Hughes.
Who are all these people who will be renting 2 BR’s for $4K-$5K???
Sorry, for the double post. I just wanted to give a better picture of what’s happening. Most of the buildings look like this:
https://www.apartments.com/hampstead-heath-los-angeles-ca/2g56zcc/
It’s a lot of inventory coming to market. Tons of $200K+/yr people looking to live in a big apartment building?
Here’s another one. Lease specials now available!:
http://www.nms1759.com/
Doubtful indeed considering a median income of $64k in CA. The median in VA is higher than that.
Wow, 500-sqft studio for $2,000-month? Yikes!
Here’s another one.
And this second place, 450-sqft for $2,400-month?
Good info Mike. Keep it coming.
http://www.businessinsider.com/gdp-growth-state-map-q1-2017-2017-7
Oily states doing ok,weird