August 14, 2017

The Cost Of Housing Is Too Much

A report from KTNV in Nevada. “Rob Maes recently moved to Las Vegas to pursue a new career. On Sunday, the 23-year-old purchased his very first home. ‘Definitely excited,’ he said, ‘it still kind of really hasn’t sunk in.’ Maes’s new home, in a gated community near Elkhorn Road and Durango Drive, was listed as $218,000. However, his offer was more than $3,000 over the asking price. That’s a good move, according to GLVAR President David J. Tina. Tina tells 13 Action News buyers need to be aggressive in this current market. ‘You find the house,’ he said. ‘You’ve got to put a ring on it.’”

From My Northwest in Washington. “First-time buyers looking to purchase a home in King County may be cringing at the news of prices jumping by $100,000 in one year. The average home price in the county, according to Northwest Real Estate, is now $658,000. But a planning commissioner and advocate for expanding housing stock in San Francisco — another city that’s seen tremendous growth over the past decade — says it’s a good thing, up to a point. ‘The Seattle market is doing a lot of things that are good,’ Christine Johnson told KIRO Radio’s Ron and Don. ‘The big thing to remember is that this is a good problem to have.’”

From KFYR TV in North Dakota. “Across the country we’re seeing reports of housing shortages and skyrocketing home prices that are keeping new buyers out, but in Bismarck that’s not the trend. Unlike a couple of years ago when it was hard to find a new home, Bis-man is experiencing a housing surplus. While many areas of the country are experiencing a housing shortage, there are more than 800 listings in the Bismarck-Mandan area. ‘In our local market, however, we have a very abundant inventory right now which is a change from what things were like during more of the oil boom times,’ said Nancy Diechert, Executive Director of the Bismarck Mandan Board of Realtors.”

The New Orleans Advocate in Louisiana. “For the first time in eight years, home sale prices in New Orleans showed signs of cooling in the first half of 2017, actually dropping by a few percentage points on average — a development that some real estate experts reacted to with little surprise after years of steady price increases. ‘We’ve had this long run, and we’ve driven up prices to where they’re really getting quite high in relation to people’s income,’ said Wade Ragas, a local real estate consultant who compiled the numbers. ‘The way a market corrects that is the buyer stops paying full price and they start offering less, and then eventually enough of them do it that prices come down.’”

The Houston Chronicle in Texas. “Houston-area home prices were flat last month and the supply of houses for sale reached a five-year high. While experts say Houston housing is still in good shape, some neighborhoods where housing activity was once red hot are cooling. In The Woodlands, it’s a ‘buyer’s market’ for properties priced at more than $500,000, a report from Ken Brand, sales manager of Better Homes and Gardens Real Estate Better Homes Gary Greene, concluded.”

“Inventory in the master-planned suburb is up 9.4 percent over last year and half of the listings have had at least one price reduction. William Elser, who is renting a single-family house inside Loop 610 for his family of four said his rental house is worth about $800,000 but he’s paying a lot less than what he estimates it would take to pay the mortgage on it, along with taxes, insurance, maintenance and other costs. When his family and friends tell him he’s throwing money away on rent, he politely disagrees. He’s investing some of the money he’s not putting into home ownership.”

“‘The investment I’m getting with that money is roughly equal to or better than my house would have otherwise appreciated,” Elser said. ‘The cost of housing is too much.’”

From Mansion Global on New York. “A slow summer continues to dog Manhattan luxury real estate, according to a weekly report from Olshan Realty. Donna Olshan, president of Olshan Realty, attributed the slowdown to a lack of activity among new developments. ‘One reason for the persistently low totals: the paucity of sales by developers,’ Ms. Olshan wrote.”

“Developers found buyers for only four new condo units, including the most expensive unit last week. A five-bedroom unit at the new Skidmore, Owings & Merrill building at 252 East 57th St. went into contract with an asking price of $14.65 million. The nearly 5,000-square-foot home in Sutton Place has views over Central Park and the East River, as well as a library, large living room with a balcony and 10.5-foot ceilings. Since the unit first hit the market in 2015, the price has dropped by about 23%, from $19 million—something developers are loathe to do.”

From Marketplace on California. “President Donald Trump campaigned on a promise to ramp up immigration enforcement. From February through June, an average of 13,085 undocumented immigrants were arrested each month, according to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. That compares to an average of 9,134 arrests per month during the last three months of 2016. The economic ripple effects of arrests – and eventual deportations – are wide-ranging. But one little noticed consequence is their effect on the housing market.”

“Research shows that deportations lead to higher rates of foreclosure among Latino communities. That’s because the loss of an income for families – especially if it is the breadwinner who is detained – can make it harder for remaining family members to make mortgage payments. That reality is what spurred Maria, an undocumented immigrant who runs a Quinceañera shop in Los Angeles, to recently transfer the title of her house to her 22-year-old daughter, a U.S. citizen.”

“‘I refinanced it and took the money because if they come up and deport us, we have that money put away,’ Maria said in Spanish.”

“Maria is among the 31 percent of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. who own a home, according to the Migration Policy Institute. Without social security numbers, many undocumented immigrants are able to take out loans by using their Taxpayer Identification Number. The link between deportations and foreclosures is something Jacob Rugh, an assistant professor of sociology at Brigham Young University, has studied extensively. ‘Even in expensive markets, you could see that immigrants were pooling their resources across legal statuses, across families, to make the American dream possible,’ Rugh explained.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2017-08-14 12:59:18

‘a planning commissioner and advocate for expanding housing stock in San Francisco — another city that’s seen tremendous growth over the past decade — says it’s a good thing, up to a point. ‘The Seattle market is doing a lot of things that are good,’ Christine Johnson told KIRO Radio’s Ron and Don. ‘The big thing to remember is that this is a good problem to have.’

I’ve noted this before about Californians: they wallow in high prices. Sure Christine advocates more houses, and expensive houses too!

‘I refinanced it and took the money because if they come up and deport us, we have that money put away,’ Maria said in Spanish.’

I wonder if her lender read this?

Comment by Lower Forever
2017-08-14 13:19:33

‘I refinanced it and took the money because if they come up and deport us, we have that money put away,’ Maria said in Spanish.’

I wonder if her lender read this?

Not to mention that she screwed her own daughter. She did a cash out refi to get money for herself, and then put her daughter’s name on the title. Mom gets to abscond and her kid is stuck with the bill.

Comment by scdave
2017-08-14 13:42:10

daughter’s name on the title. Mom gets to abscond and her kid is stuck with the bill ??

Daughter is unaffected by the loan…She is not on the note so she has no negative credit exposure if she walks…

Comment by aqius
2017-08-14 22:16:11

didn’t she just admit to financial fraud!?
she clearly stated she had no intention of repayment before she even signed the paperwork..!?!?

but, I know, I KNOW! it’d be career suicide to prosecute this poor, poor woman who is ONLY trying to save her familia.

after all, how could you oppose such a noble cause . . . as she runs out of other people’s money?

give generously. and don’t forget to fill those backpacks & turkey baskets. the need has NEVER been GREATER!

and cigarettes more expensive. check it, those Escalades won’t fill THEMSELVES w/beer, vato.

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Comment by oxide
2017-08-15 06:25:08

I’m sure that these folks think that the cash is “compensation” for being deported.

 
 
Comment by ibbots
2017-08-15 06:11:51

If the mother refi’d then deeded to her daughter, she is in default on the note as most have a no transfer clause which generally accelerates the note.

she coulda put the daughter on the note at refi, or executed a deed but left unrecorded.

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Comment by Young Deezy
2017-08-15 07:44:02

Daughter is unaffected by the loan…She is not on the note so she has no negative credit exposure if she walks…

This is wrong, as I found out recently. EVERYONE linked to a foreclosed property gets hit. I know someone who was added to title as a means of ensuring he inherited the property when the owner died, but the owner failed to make the payments and got foreclosed.

Fast forward a year or two, that guy is trying to refi his house, but EVERY lender he’s talking to are showing him as linked to the foreclosure despite him never being a part of the original loan. I’m not sure if he ever found someone to refi his place.

IIRC the HBB had an article a while back regarding some proprietary databases the lenders were using to rate credit applicants that wasn’t public and were completely opaque in terms of how the function and what inputs they receive. I think this guy may have run afoul of one of those

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2017-08-15 19:59:53

IIRC the HBB had an article a while back regarding some proprietary databases the lenders were using to rate credit applicants that wasn’t public and were completely opaque in terms of how the function and what inputs they receive.

That sounds like a massive violation of the Fair Credit Reporting Act.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2017-08-15 01:56:55

‘The big thing to remember is that this is a good problem to have.’

We’ll be sure to remember this good problem when recent buyers are crying into their beers after the next crash.

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2017-08-14 13:04:06

Trade war with ChyNAH! It’s on like donkey-kong!

Of course, investigating “potential” intellectual property violations is hardly what I’d call a trade war. But the MSM LOVES wars of any kind.

 
Comment by Taxpayers
2017-08-14 13:39:28

Paying over ask?
I thought that went out in 2015

Comment by palmetto
2017-08-14 14:30:53

Nope! Panic-buying for ask at the lower end, with a couple thousand thrown in for a sweetener.

Not kidding. Almost everything here in this area under $150,000 is under contract. Even the dogs that sat there for a year or more.

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2017-08-14 18:42:40

When mortgage money is readily available, the low end of a market will normally get tight as even the lucky duckies can get financed.

Palmy - In the Tampa Bay area at what price point does it seem to loosen up in your opinion?

 
Comment by Mr. Banker
2017-08-15 05:10:42

Paying over the asked pumps up the values of the comps and these pumped-up values pumps up the equity of the house - something that can be cashed-out and spent, so what’s not to like?

A PFM economy.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2017-08-15 06:34:23

This latest, unwarranted surge likely will wipe out most of the remaining small, older 3/2 houses in my neighborhood. One of the families on my street recently listed its house, which fit that description. It sold in three days, before the real estate salesperson even could put a sign in the front yard, which she did nonetheless. I’ve seen a number of other signs too.

 
Comment by oxide
2017-08-15 08:25:36

That’s because those Florida houses are $150K. Even one $50K teacher can afford to buy (wonder how Muggy is doing?). Or two spouse lucky-duckies can afford to buy. In pricey DC, the same houses are $250K-300K. You need at least two edumacated incomes (or a posse of hombres) to afford the fully amortized payment. That’s why there isn’t as much buying up here.

 
 
 
Comment by joe smith
2017-08-14 14:29:04

“Rob Maes recently moved to Las Vegas to pursue a new career. On Sunday, the 23-year-old purchased his very first home. ‘Definitely excited,’ he said, ‘it still kind of really hasn’t sunk in.’”

I have to assume it’s a fairly dead-end or generic “career” if they don’t state what the career is. Regardless, pretty foolish to buy a place when you are JUST STARTING said career, no matter what it is. Even well-educated people take time to acclimate and learn about the undercurrents in local markets–coming zoning changes, school redistricting, demographic trends, transportation and traffic issues, etc.

Painful to watch people make the same mistakes in 2017 that were made in 2007. My understanding is rent is cheap on LV… why not live and enjoy a little before jumping off a cliff?

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2017-08-14 18:46:32

Not only that, but Vegas is a very transient place with a lot of low level service industry jobs (hotels, restaurants, etc.).

The good thing is that if you’re 23 years old then it’s not so bad to find a room mate to share the cost of the house.

Once you get into your late 20’s and beyond, living with room mates is not ideal.

Comment by snake charmer
2017-08-15 06:40:44

I was out there earlier this year. The newer areas seemed to have a lot of generic two-story houses spaced about ten feet apart.

But I rather liked the color schemes. They matched the desert and looked good a dusk.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2017-08-15 06:29:17

I think that this is the house that he bought, or something similar:

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8936-Carter-Montgomery-Ave-Las-Vegas-NV-89149/70060283_zpid/?fullpage=true

For perspective, in the MD suburbs, this house would probably fetch $400K, and in NoVa, $550K. Note that this 23-year-old paid near bubble-peak pricing.

 
 
Comment by joe smith
2017-08-14 14:33:23

Off topic, but it looks like Pres Trump is going to have to pardon Joe Arpaio. What a cartoon world we live in, where inquiring into whether someone is legally in the country can get law enforcement officials thrown into federal prison.

Comment by 2banana
2017-08-14 15:56:43

And Hillary and Jon Corzine walk free…

 
Comment by Just Some Dude
2017-08-14 16:10:27

He should’ve have listened to a judge. Quite simple really.

 
Comment by scdave
2017-08-14 16:51:29

but it looks like Pres Trump is going to have to pardon Joe Arpaio ??

Likely the first of many. Hell, I would not be surprised to see him Pardon Madoff

Comment by butters
2017-08-15 03:25:25

All prominent democratic fraudsters like Madoff, Corzine , Bernie’s wife and countless others WILL be pardoned by Trump.

 
 
Comment by Avg Joe
2017-08-14 18:38:26

Uh, he’s in jail for contempt of court, not for “asking if people are in the country legally.”

A court tells you something, you listen. Period.

Comment by @AltFacts
2017-08-15 08:11:50

Stop confusing the argument with factual information.

 
 
 
Comment by aqius
2017-08-14 21:54:07

“a court tells you something, you listen. period”

oh please! that obviously only works if you respect & follow ALL the laws: not pick n’ choose which ones you think are unjust.

(like maybe respect, follow & SHOW UP for an immigration hearing once your are in the U.S., instead of disappearing for 15 years, hoping for leniency when you birth kids to tug on heartstrings.)

nahhh, the law only matters to those smart enough to bend it, dumb enough to break it, or paid to enforce it.

 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2017-08-15 08:09:56

It’s gradually dawning on Fed watchers that it’s one-and-done for 2017. This, of course, augers for ever-frothier housing prices supported by an interminable period of extraordinary accommodation.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2017-08-15 09:06:05

And in other news, the NY Fed Household Debt and Credit Report came out today:

Non housing debt is growing at twice the pace of housing debt.

Housing debt grew a bit faster than 3% year-on-year (was growing at 10%+ during the bubble years). NON-housing debt grew by more than 7% year on year.

The most meaningful blip up or down in the trendlines appears to be credit card delinquencies…that appears to have broken HIGHER over the past 2-3 quarters, after a long downtrend. The overall level is still relatively low, but the downtrend was clearly broken.

I note that the last time this kind of uptick occurred was in 2006…warning sign of consumers being stretched at the top of the market.

https://www.newyorkfed.org/microeconomics/hhdc.html

Comment by oxide
2017-08-15 10:50:48

Auto loans and credit cards… this comes directly from spending 40%+ of your gross income on the mortgage. People can’t put $$ for a new car, have to borrow more and pay for more years. Can’t buy a $600 appliance outright, have to put on the CC. Can only make minimum payment on the CC. And the retirement contributions are taking a hit too.

Comment by Rental Watch
2017-08-15 12:45:28

40%+ of your gross income on the mortgage.

or 40%+ on rent

 
Comment by rms
2017-08-15 13:10:23

Most of the fresh productive faces also have student loan balances that could keep me awake at night. So yes, auto loans and credit cards… bring ‘em on. What I really want to know is how they’re going to pay for *my* retirement promises.

Comment by Rental Watch
2017-08-15 17:18:36

The more successful ones (because some will be successful). I’m sure will be more than happy to pay a lot more in taxes. After all, they were happily protesting Trump’s win while in college.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2017-08-15 17:13:53

It’s worth noting oxide that people are NOT turning to HELOCs for the cash they need for consumption. HELOCs have steadily shrunk from the peak in 2009.

And this is in the context of a housing market where there is lots of “equity”. So, the stage is set for people to borrow against their home for spending (new car, etc.), but they are not doing it.

It certainly isn’t because CC/auto debt is cheaper…

So, is it homeowners who are the primary group that are taking out subprime auto loans, and defaulting on credit card debt? Or renters (who are just as squeezed)?

It’s also worth noting that about 1/3 of auto loan borrowers have credit scores of less than 660, vs. about 10% of home loans.

 
 
 
Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2017-08-15 10:20:19

Any FOMO with regards to Bitcoin? Until the price stabilizes ( yeah, right) it is a Ponzi scheme.

Comment by Rental Watch
2017-08-15 17:24:10

I thought about plunking down a few $k on Bitcoin when it was at $800, but never pulled the trigger.

My simple view was that there is a limited number of Bitcoin, and that IF it ended up being a medium of exchange with any meaningful volume, you would have the compounding of both increased demand for it, but limited supply, and a Bitcoin could end up being worth millions of dollars each over a period of many years.

Or it could be another tulip bulb or pet rock.

So, my thought was that I could make a small investment that I could lose, or make 1,000x, with odds probably less than 1,000 to 1. Why the hell not?

Ultimately, I never pulled the trigger…had other places for the money. Do I regret it? Ask me if it reaches $100k per BC. Also ask me if it flames out.

In the meantime, I’ll be watching from the sidelines.

 
 
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Comment by rms
2017-08-16 06:32:47

With so many workers living way out where the mortgage is cheaper their vehicle needs replacing every four or five years.

 
 
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