The Biggest Effects In The More Expensive Markets
A weekend topic starting with the Dallas Observer in Texas. “To our regret or good fortune time only will tell, but Dallas is a great laboratory for viewing the forces roiling around American cities. We’ve got thunder overhead, rumblings in the basement and maybe a great day ahead. Nationally, the divide between cities and everybody else has been consuming ink in recent weeks. From the point of view of the people in Texas who despise cities, the problem with cities is that they all voted for Hillary Clinton. Cities are viewed as bastions of anti-Trumpian disloyalty while voters in the rest of Texas would be honored to deliver their first-born daughters to be officially groped. Second-born, in fact, if the first one’s already too long in the tooth.”
“Something else is growling round down there while we sit up here in the kitchen staring at each other. It’s related to another level and type of urban issue being bandied about nationally. That question is whether liberal ideas and policies on certain issues — zoning, density, the environment, labor law, including the minimum wage — operate against the poor. Conservatives seem to think they’ve stumbled on a devilishly clever new trope: insisting that restrictive city ordinances, especially in the area of real estate, are responsible for the high cost of housing and therefore to blame for most of the associated ills of poverty.”
“As someone who has covered real estate and land-use battles at the level of City Hall for about 100 years, I am here to tell you this idea is ancient and hoary, not new at all. The argument is that all restrictions are snobbish and the only justice for the poor is a free-for-all with no zoning or protection for established neighborhoods. Thank goodness people in cities are smarter than that. Most of us know there are two kinds of people who do not make cities work, who do not make sure the buses run on time or see to it that the garbage gets picked up the way it should: (1) really rich people and (2) really poor people. The people who make a city work the right way are the middle class.”
“We are invested in the dirt. We’re not going anywhere soon. The institutional arms of government need to work right for us, and they need to work right here, right now. Yes, we have standards. Those standards have to do with safety, efficiency and pleasantness. If those are snobbish standards, then OK. Call us the snobs.”
The Mercury News in California. “Emma Carroll, a UC Berkeley grad student, is thinking about taking out loans just to pay what could be a substantially higher tax bill. Jerry Pohorsky, an engineer in Santa Clara, might put off his plans to buy a new electric vehicle if a federal tax credit gets cut. And John Hansen, an attorney in Castro Valley, is considering moving to Georgia in part to avoid paying some California income and property tax he could no longer deduct from his federal bill.”
“As Republicans square the last details of President Donald Trump’s massive tax overhaul before a final vote in Congress, many Bay Area residents are running the numbers and worrying that they’ll end up paying more. California’s high taxes and the Bay Area’s high home prices will likely make our region one of the most adversely affected places in the country, and accountants and tax experts say there’s not much taxpayers can do to avoid it.”
“‘This doesn’t affect 95 percent of homeowners in the country, but it affects basically everybody here,’ said Joseph Salazar, a tax specialist and financial adviser in San Jose. ‘If you have a young couple looking to buy their first house, why would they want to move here?’”
“‘Looking at our situation, I think it’s going to be a better deal,’ said Bob Jackson, 65, a San Jose Democrat and retired mail carrier. He and his wife take the standard deduction and have no mortgage on their mobile home, which they rent a space for instead of paying property tax. ‘It’s good for people like us.’”
“There are many in the Bay Area like Jan Soule, a San Jose Republican retiree from the tech industry, who says the tax plan ‘makes sense.’ The house she and her husband have owned for decades is paid off, and they have relatively low property taxes thanks to California’s Proposition 13 — so they won’t miss many of the deductions. She doesn’t believe her party is using it to punish blue states. And if some Californians are angry about having to pay a higher tax bill, Soule said, ‘maybe they’ll wake up to the fact that our state taxes are out of control.’”
The Los Angeles Times in California. “If you were to stand near the corner of 57th Street and South Vermont Avenue, you might not see many great selling points. But if you were to stand there with Julio Ruiz, you’d get a different take. He’d point out the nearby transit options, which could get you to USC, downtown, and all the way to the beach. He’d tell you about all the people moving into the area and all the investors who want a piece of the action.”
“And he’d tell you this: ‘There is cheap housing in L.A. … The American dream is still affordable in Watts, Compton and all the forgotten ghettos. There’s a buzz all over here,’ he said. Houses are getting multiple offers, sometimes all cash, and some are selling above asking prices.”
“Ruiz represents a Koreatown couple interested in a $500,000 home in South L.A. because the price would be double that amount where they now live. And he handled one sale in which a white gay couple bought a rehabbed Craftsman near Slauson and Western avenues for just under $500,000. ‘One of our neighbors … said she was so happy the gays were moving in because property values would be going up,’ said Steven (last name withheld by request), who lives in the house with his partner.”
“As much as I admired Ruiz’s hustle and pluck, I had to point out that he’s riding a wave that will lift some people and drown others, particularly low-income minorities. He argued that he used to work for banks and had to clear squatters, gangs and drug dealers out of houses all over the South Side. Neighbors appreciated the improvements, he said.”
“‘There was an opportunity for people to fix up these houses and for first-time buyers to get in through FHA, VA or different types of loans. As these houses started getting rehabbed, I felt like South L.A. was getting cleaned up,’ Ruiz said.”
The Denver Post in Colorado. “Years of rapid home price appreciation along the northern Front Range will leave homeowners in the region more vulnerable to changes in the tax code now before Congress. Coloradans need to be aware of one change in particular that could have big implications for them when it comes time to sell — an extension in the time owners must occupy their homes to avoid paying capital-gains taxes.”
“‘Homeowners across the country should pay attention. You will find the biggest effects, however, in your biggest, more expensive markets,’ said Danielle Hale, chief economist with Realtor.com.”
“Right now, owners must have lived in a home for at least two years within the last five years at the time of sale to avoid paying capital gains taxes on any increase in value up to $500,000 for joint filers, and $250,000 for single filers. For most homeowners, that means holding on to a home for at least two years is a good idea.”
“But Congress, looking for ways to generate more revenues to pay for cuts elsewhere, wants to extend that to five years within the last eight years. That would force most homeowners to wait five years or more to avoid a tax penalty that could reach into the tens of thousands of dollars.”
“According to HSH.com, Denver is the country’s ‘most recovered’ large metro housing market, with a federal home price index 72.3 percent above the peak reached last decade before the housing crash. The median home price in Boulder was about $516,000, and $392,000 in metro Denver, as of August, according to the Black Knight home price index. Sellers in metro Denver had an average profit above their initial purchase price and other costs of $110,000, while those in Boulder pulled down profits of $150,000. Nationwide, the average gain on sale is around $80,000.”
“The National Association of Realtors (NAR) argues the loss of real-estate-related deductions could cost homeowners $1,000 more on average in taxes while providing renters a savings of $500. ‘The NAR is predicting home prices could fall from 7 percent to 11 percent (in Colorado) if both the mortgage interest and real estate taxes deductions are eliminated,’ said Steve Thayer, chairman of DMAR and owner of Keller Williams Action Realty in Castle Rock.”
“That would translate into the typical homeowner in Colorado losing home equity in the $24,000 to $36,000 range, Thayer said. The mortgage interest deduction on second homes, which account for about 5 percent of the state’s housing stock, is also on the chopping block. In some mountain resort counties, the share of vacation homes can run 30 percent to 40 percent higher.”
“Glen Weinberg, chief operating officer at Fairview Commercial Lending in Steamboat Springs, said on his daily lunchtime jog, he has noticed more vacation homes coming up for sale. People could be disappointed with the paltry snow or just making year-end financial moves. But the surge coincides with the Congressional wrangling over tax reforms. His take is that some owners are trying to get ahead of what they perceive as a downturn in the second home market, he said.”
“‘What does this mean for the second-home market? It will be fascinating to see what happens,’ he said.”
‘a white gay couple bought a rehabbed Craftsman near Slauson and Western avenues for just under $500,000. ‘One of our neighbors … said she was so happy the gays were moving in because property values would be going up,’ said Steven (last name withheld by request), who lives in the house with his partner.’
‘There was an opportunity for people to fix up these houses and for first-time buyers to get in through FHA, VA or different types of loans. As these houses started getting rehabbed, I felt like South L.A. was getting cleaned up.’
Yeah, that’s great, more $500k shacks in Compton. Go do it with your own money and not using tax breaks and government backed loans the rest of us have to pay for.
‘a white gay couple bought a rehabbed Craftsman near Slauson and Western avenues for just under $500,000.”
How old was he?
‘One of our neighbors … said she was so happy the gays were moving in because property values would be going up’
You mean mostly white gays.
‘Cities are viewed as bastions of anti-Trumpian disloyalty while voters in the rest of Texas would be honored to deliver their first-born daughters to be officially groped. Second-born, in fact, if the first one’s already too long in the tooth.’
“I am proud that during my time the senate I have used my power to be a champion of women and that I have earned a reputation as someone who respects the women I work alongside everyday. I know there’s been a very different picture of me painted over the last few weeks, but I know who I really am,’ Franken said on the U.S. Senate floor.’
“Cities are viewed as bastions of anti-Trumpian disloyalty while voters in the rest of Texas would be honored to deliver their first-born daughters to be officially groped. Second-born, in fact, if the first one’s already too long in the tooth.’
Gee, ya think the writer might be an antican? And do I sense a wee bit of butt-hurt? It’s like these folks are really offended that others don’t view them as the great and the good.
‘From the point of view of the people in Texas who despise cities, the problem with cities is that they all voted for Hillary Clinton.’
‘The argument is that all restrictions are snobbish and the only justice for the poor is a free-for-all with no zoning or protection for established neighborhoods. Thank goodness people in cities are smarter than that. Most of us know there are two kinds of people who do not make cities work, who do not make sure the buses run on time or see to it that the garbage gets picked up the way it should: (1) really rich people and (2) really poor people. The people who make a city work the right way are the middle class.’
‘We are invested in the dirt. We’re not going anywhere soon. The institutional arms of government need to work right for us, and they need to work right here, right now. Yes, we have standards. Those standards have to do with safety, efficiency and pleasantness. If those are snobbish standards, then OK. Call us the snobs.’
Jeebus.
‘The people who make a city work the right way are the middle class…The institutional arms of government need to work right for us, and they need to work right here, right now. Yes, we have standards. Those standards have to do with safety, efficiency and pleasantness. If those are snobbish standards, then OK. Call us the snobs.’
I could probably think of something other than snobs.
’safety, efficiency and pleasantness’
And a couple hundred thousand from flipping shacks every two years. (Oh, make that five if this evil tax plan is approved).
Part of the problem here is a bunch of people got slapped by this election and didn’t like what woke up to in themselves. They aren’t enlightened flower children. They aren’t progressive or liberal. They are greedy at the expense of poorer people. They want to be segregated. They don’t tolerate opposing views. And if they lose an election, they are going to scream and bitch til the cows come home. Should they win, we all better get used to it. They are bullies. Groping, projecting, entitled bullies.
Don’t forget muh AirBnb. The institutional arm of gummint MUST permit that.
“Never have conditions been more favorable for deluding a class of fortunate people into thinking that they owe their privilege to being nicer, or smarter, or more honest, than everyone else…”
This is a fantastic summary by Christopher Caldwell of the work of a French urbanist Christophe Guilluy, talking about the stratification in France between the periphery and the cities. It could easily be apply to the US too, especially as expressed in that Texas article:
https://www.city-journal.org/html/french-coming-apart-15125.html
More (with apologies for the long post):
“The urban real-estate market is a pitiless sorting machine. Rich people and up-and-comers buy the private housing stock in desirable cities and thereby bid up its cost…
The laid-off, the less educated, the mistrained… these workers have largely been exiled from [cities - the only place] where the economy still functions.”
But, “French [urban] elites have convinced themselves that their social supremacy rests not on their economic might but on their common decency. Doing so allows them to ‘present the losers of globalization as embittered people who have problems with diversity,’ says Guilluy.”
“The culture industry now sits in territory that is 100 percent occupied by the beneficiaries of globalization… [This new elite] differed from their predecessors in being more predatory and less troubled by conscience. They chased the working-class population from neighborhoods it had spent years building up—and then expected the country to thank them.”
Because, “Political correctness… gives the ruling class a doubt-expelling myth that provides a constant boost to morale and esprit de corps, much as class systems did in the days before democracy.”
This photo gets creepier every time I look at it. His left hand is actually touching her. What a sicko.
And just wait, he will backpedal on his promise to resign. Not that it matters, an equally leftist Dem will be appointed to take his place by the governor and the people will reelect that leftist.
I actually hope that he does backpedal. It will further expose the left .
MN den farmer party
Hard to get left of that
“57th St and South Vermont Avenue.”
Lol. Here’s a hint of what crime is like in that area …
https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=h1QtWtnOHs2SjwO7tZh4&q=crime+rate+57+ths+street+and+vermont&oq=crime+rate+57+ths+street+and+vermont&gs_l=psy-ab.3…1798.10899.0.12409.36.34.0.0.0.0.567.3580.10j14j1j5-1.26.0….0…1.1.64.psy-ab..10.19.2370…0j0i131k1j0i22i30k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i160k1j33i21k1.0.LcDPGeZOzBU
Here’s a better link to the crime rate at 57 th St and South Vermont …
http://maps.latimes.com/neighborhoods/neighborhood/vermont-slauson/crime/
A couple of comments extracted from the above link …
Lived on 65th St west of Vermont. Went to Budlong and John Muir. Moved to San Joaquin Valley in 1951. Took my kids back in 1985 to show off the old neighborhood and was shocked with what I saw. Once a fine residential area had turned into a place I couldn’t leave fast enough. What has happened to LA?
— Carl K.
May 24, 2011 at 10 p.m.
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I have been living here since I was four years old I’m 25 now and can’t wait till the day I’m able to move out of here! Me and my family been through so many negative events living in this area. I have been through home burglary, witnessing a child die from cross fire, our car getting hit by a stray bullet, probably over 50 car accidents on our block, almost being kidnapped, almost being raped, my brothers robed at knife point, my dad robed and beat up, I can actually go on ……… I’m really working hard on getting my family out of here and I will… It has improved a little in the past couple of years but it is still a bad area to live in especially when almost half of the sex offenders in California are in South L.A….. I hate it here
Don’t despair!!!
Any day now - a gay white couple may move into your block and fix everything!
my brothers robed at knife point
Better than being disrobed at knife point I would think.
Sounds like what happens to Lebowski when he walks into Von’s.
da bear
You can’t go home again — you can’t even leave town for a few days.
11 violent crimes in a single week. Horrific place to live.
What would it take to fix an area like this (aside from white gays moving in and driving gentrification)?
It’s economic. Nobody pulls off an armed robbery if they don’t need money, except for OJ Simpson. At any rate, higher wages and closed borders are a good start.
It’s more simple than economics. While exceptions exist, those raised in single-mother households are doomed. Plenty of research to support this from crime standpoint, poor education, etc.
“…except for OJ Simpson.”
LOL!
You’ve got to be willing to spend a good deal of money, either via government or private charities, to remedy deficiencies stemming from structural poverty.
There are many types of capital: social, political, and economic. Those from lower socio-economic statuses can benefit from mentoring and being exposed to other alternative lifestyles. They need to see other options that are available to them. Don’t underestimate the value of nutritious school lunches, youth sports, clubs and organizations like YMCA that give kids a safe place to develop, learn, and grow.
You’ve got to be willing to spend a good deal of money, either via government or private charities, to remedy deficiencies stemming from structural poverty.
Or you can spend time and effort working to reduce structural poverty.
You’d have to change the societal normalization of sex out of wedlock and the inevitable production of single-mother families this creates. Unfortunately, no amount of money will fix this.
Maxine Waters just added you to the drone list.
The problem with Texas cities is that as soon as all the public employees moved out to the suburbs, the Texas state legislature voted massive pension increases for them. Basically a generation pillaged the cities and moved on.
That is EXACTLY what happened in New York City in the 1960s. Residency requirements for the best off city workers were lifted by stated law in the early 1960s. Massive pension increases got rolling in the late 1960s and early 1970s. By the mid-1970s, cities were bankrupt.
Many of those who cashed in and moved out of NYC back then moved to New Jersey and Connecticut. They pulled the same trick there. Now those two states are broke.
It happens over and over again, like clockwork.
There is a pattern.
AND A SIMPLE SOLUTION.
However, public unions are the LARGEST political contributors of ALL TIME.
And they give 99-1 to the democrat party.
So no. It will never change as long as you keep voting to keep democrats in power. Not even in bankruptcy when your city has lost 80% of its population (see Detroit).
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/
What’s killing Dallas, Houston and Fort Worth is police and other public safety pensions. That’s the Republican half of the game.
Thanks for playing!
Even though your meme didn’t work - we still have a consolation prize for you…
Seven more years of DJT.
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Dallas: A Blue City in a Red State
Sarah Bicknell - The Daily Campus - December 4, 2014
Despite being in a vastly Republican state, Dallas County has been primarily Democrat for almost 10 years.
A contributing factor to Dallas being chiefly Democrat are the demographics. Today, Dallas is primarily Democrat due to the growing African American population that votes overwhelmingly Democrat.
Dallas has one of the largest concentrations of corporate headquarters for publically traded companies in the United States, which brings in waves of young professionals seeking the job opportunities that the Metroplex offers. Adam Stowe, New York native and recent college graduate, recently started working for a small hedge fund in Dallas.
“I am liberal on most economic and social issues and tend to always vote for the Democrat candidate. I would say that most of my young professional friends in Dallas would say the same,” Stowe said. “Even though I live in Texas, I don’t feel like I’m in the minority politically in Dallas.”
Republicans and Democrats differ in the way that they vote, which also contributes to why Dallas is exceedingly Democrat.
“Dallas Democrats tend to vote overwhelmingly straight ticket, meaning they vote for every Democrat on the ballot, regardless,” said Cal Jillson, professor of political science at SMU. “They do so more than Republicans do, and helps them in down ballot races.”
In the long run, Dallas will remain primarily Democrat, while the state on the whole will remain Republican. Jillson thinks that it will be decades before Texas will be considered a competitive state politically, and the future of Texas politics will be shaped by the Hispanic vote.
“Despite being in a vastly Republican state, Dallas County has been primarily Democrat for almost 10 years.”
That’s what I said. The police, fire, etc. moved to the suburbs — the Republican public employees. They left the minorities behind. And then they went to the state legislature, and got a massive pension increase at the expense of the poor city they left behind.
https://www.texastribune.org/2017/04/19/dallas-officials-say-state-lawmakers-helped-open-door-pension-woes/
The poverty rate of the city of Dallas is 27.1%. In NYC, it never got above 20.9%, even in “Bronx is Burning” days.
Now that you have a minority police force, pay and benefits have been slashed, but you still have a financial disaster due to the deals that prior generations voted themselves.
Republicans like Bush wag their finger these days and talk about the dangers of “nativism.” These guys hate the President as much or more than Democrats. It’s not two halves, IMO. It’s a realignment of the two parties. Much needed as they had coalesced around open-border globalism that is going downhill fast. We should tar and feather every person reported as “elite” for at least a few years.
Wholeheartedly agree. Trump clowned the Republicans so bad in the primaries it was humiliating for them. He embarrassed Jeb so badly that the Bush family is still seething. I bet they all voted for Hillary.
^^^^That’s it exactly, right there.
I see hope, though. We have the seeds of a new populist party in people like Devin Nunes, Jim Jordan, Tulsi Gabbard, the Pauls, Dennis Kucinich. Decent people on both sides of the aisle who need to make common cause in the interest of populism.
I think they’ll get there.
“It’s a realignment of the two parties. Much needed as they had coalesced around open-border globalism that is going downhill fast”
Agreed. It’s not Republican vs Democrat. It’s Globalist/Socialist vs the people. The people are winning again. God bless DJT.
And God bless The United States of America.
“If it weren’t for me, we wouldn’t even be talking about illegal immigration.” —Trump at the first Republican debate.
One could argue that Trump won the election right there.
No one in the media wants to ask the question of why lower income people in flyover should subsidize living in the bay area. I know that expecting the Murky News to point this out is unreasonable, but not even the Flyover Times mentions this fact.
They don’t point it out because it’s not true. People in the Bay Area pay more in federal taxes both in total and per capita than people in flyover land. Same for people in NYC metro area. I’m not saying the tax plan is wrong, just pointing out this line of thinking (that the rest of the country is somehow subsidizing their local taxes) simply is not true.
‘People in the Bay Area pay more in federal taxes both in total and per capita than people in flyover land. Same for people in NYC metro area’
Two metros pay more than the rest of the country?
‘Bay Area residents are running the numbers and worrying that they’ll end up paying more. California’s high taxes and the Bay Area’s high home prices will likely make our region one of the most adversely affected places in the country, and accountants and tax experts say there’s not much taxpayers can do to avoid it.’
‘This doesn’t affect 95 percent of homeowners in the country, but it affects basically everybody here,’ said Joseph Salazar, a tax specialist and financial adviser in San Jose.’
If 5% get the tax break, and 95% don’t, how is that not subsidized? Here’s a solution: vote in people who will lower your taxes.
Ben, you don’t understand.
It is a constitutional right that expensive housing owned by rich liberals MUST be subsidized.
The same goes for flood insurance for housing with ocean views.
Trump has really done the impossible:
Saul Alinsky’s 12 Rules for Radicals
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.“
Which is true because they’re paid more. So why do highly paid people need tax breaks that won’t help people in low pay flyover? Shouldn’t it be the other way around?
There is only one answer to this question: to keep bay area house prices in the stratosphere.
“People in the Bay Area pay more in federal taxes both in total and per capita than people in flyover land. Same for people in NYC metro area.”
Patently false. Businesses that just happened to concentrate in those areas in aggregate pay more. The degenerates that live there pay far less, net net.
Because the RICH need to pay their FAIR SHARE.
Except in California, New York, Connecticut and New Jersey.
There, they need to be subsidized. $100,000 electric cars and housing.
Especially housing.
I also don’t get the electric car subsidy. Why should poor people subsidize electric cars for rich people? They can afford those toys without a subsidy.
Cuz like electric cars are like saving the earf or something.
EV tax credits will disappear soon enough. They are close to expiring for Tesla and Nissan. GM’s rate of Bolt sells are going up pretty fast. I think the EV tax credit was not structured ideally. It is true that the average person claiming this credit skews towards the high end. It would have been better just to offer a $7500 directly to any consumer purchasing said vehicle. That way, the credit would have benefited any purchaser, regardless of income level.
It would have been better …
It would be better if you don’t offer to give anyone money you take from me to buy a fake environmentally friendly car.
EV=failure
I’ll come around to your way of thinking as soon as sick kids and the elderly stop walking into my ER whenever the winter inversion hits. I guess the good news is that all these premature deaths ought to create some more affordable housing.
While we’re on the topic of theft, internal combustion car drivers ought to pony up cash to compensate for reduced lifespans due to vehicle pollution (i.e. stroke, COPD, heart attack, birth defects, asthma exacerbation, bronchitis, etc.) to every non-driver. I’m sure $7500 is woefully inadequate for the collective damage we are doing to ourselves.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/jun/09/air-pollution-now-major-contributor-to-stroke
DebtDonkey
Saint Helens, OR Housing Prices Crater 5% YOY
https://www.movoto.com/saint-helens-or/market-trends/
internal combustion car drivers ought to pony up cash
You left out all those who benefit in any way from the internal combustion engine [ICE], e.g., anyone who consumes anything trucked in or boated in by a ICE-powered rig, hospitals with their large emergency ICE-powered generators who use IV bags shipped or flown in from Puerto Rico, people who type stuff on the internet on computers trucked in, etc. etc. Think BIG, man!
internal combustion car drivers ought to pony up cash
Pretty sure they already do every time they go to the pump. If you want to lobby to increase those taxes that would be one way to do it.
anyone who consumes anything trucked in or boated in by a ICE-powered rig
Yes, let’s do this. Heaven knows we have enough crap in this country, just check out any McMansion garage or the proliferation of storage units and hoarder shows.
Beer and every other goods delivered via self-driving EV trucks, coming soon to a city near you!
http://www.businessinsider.com/companies-that-ordered-tesla-semi-2017-12
Pretty sure they already do every time they go to the pump. If you want to lobby to increase those taxes that would be one way to do it.
As far as I know, the state and federal taxes tacked on to the gas tax are earmarked for road upkeep and maintenance. I don’t think any of these go towards healthcare funds.
I think you’re right. I’m just saying that’s the place to do it if you want to add more taxes.
The reason to give tax breaks for electric cars is, ostensibly, this: The transition from fossil to electric will take 25+ years, which means *somebody* has to start the transition 25 years before the oil runs out. Of course no private company will do that; it’s got to be a government operation.
But they should be subsidizing the refueling infrastructure FIRST and let the car sales take care of itself. These companies shouldn’t get another taxpayer penny until they figure out a standardized refueling process that takes 10 minutes or less, is the same for all cars, and doesn’t require a private driveway. Of course the feds are going about it backwards — probably bought off by Elon Musk.
these companies shouldn’t get another taxpayer penny until they figure out a standardized refueling process.
Before I became an RN, I was in tech (IP telephony). A common refrain I would hear at conferences was this: “The great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from.”
Why should poor people subsidize electric cars for rich people? They can afford those toys without a subsidy.
I think the subsidy was passed back when it was assumed the electric cars were going to be plug-in Prii and Leaf commuter cars. I don’t think they anticipated electric cars becoming high performance toys of the rich so quickly.
I believe the only electric car on the market in 2008 when the subsidy was created was the Tesla Roadster, a $100,000 high performance toy for the rich.
I suppose. I don’t really count that since the volumes were and are so low. I still think they had cheap(er) commuter cars in mind.
Democrats Monday: TAX THE RICH!!! KILL THE RICH!!
Democrats Tuesday: How dare these evil Republicans make rich people in CA/NY/NJ pay more taxes?
The rich subsidize the poor all over the country. Yet, it is perfectly acceptable to raise their taxes to an even higher level, claiming that they should pay “their fair share”.
By the same logic, high-tax states NOT paying too much, and should be taxed even more (the opposite of the Democrats argument).
So, what is it Democrats, the rich are paying too little, in which case we should raise their taxes (and so rich states, by extension, should pay more than they already are)?
Or is it that the rich are paying plenty, so they should have their taxes cut?
The way I think about it is this way:
If the entire tax code were to be started from scratch today, is there justification for allowing state and local taxes to be deducted? And if so, why? I have yet to hear a good justification, and so, despite my tax bill going up…I’m happy the SALT deduction is going away (or severely limited).
The “sin taxes” should be higher… a lot higher. FTP!
Good gravy, they still get the break, they just have to wait five years. So flippers are gonna have to pay … oh the humanity!
Flippers got to flip.
And HGTV can’t make shows with five year time lines.
And if I’m not mistaken, if you sell a new house before you get the freebie, if you buy another house that costs the same or more, then you don’t get taxed on the appreciation. Or has that gone away?
I also recall a rule that allowed seniors a one time tax exemption on a certain amount of appreciation.
The only reason I see for this apoplexy over extending the period from 2 to 5 years is because the the FIRE industry wants people to “move up the ladder” every 2 years (thus generating nice commissions and fees for it). I remember this mentality when I lived in SoCal. Revolving your entire life around selling and buying an even more expensive house, which invariably meant that you would get deeper and deeper into debt. Of course it was all good, because your equity was growing, never mind that it consumed all your cash flow and you would need HELOCs to pay off the credit cards every time they got maxed out when you used them to pay for everyday needs like groceries or gas for your car.
2banana’s Rule.
Long term democrat rule + public unions + free sh*t army = misery, ruin and bankruptcy
You will notice a pattern in the lowest and highest property tax states…
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Property Taxes – Lowest to Highest by State sorted by dollars
Ken Jorgustin - Published December 9, 2017 - Modern Survival Blog
Property taxes can be a huge monthly expense. And you know for a fact that 10 years from now those property taxes are going to be a good chunk higher than they are today. Will you be able to afford it?
That’s why I put together the following list (based on 2015 statistics – the most recent I could find).
State Median Value Taxes
Alabama $125,500 $543
West Virginia $103,800 $607
Arkansas $111,400 $693
Louisiana $144,100 $707
South Carolina $139,900 $798
Mississippi $103,100 $813
Oklahoma $117,900 $1,036
Kentucky $123,200 $1,042
Tennessee $142,100 $1,062
Indiana $124,200 $1,085
…
California $385,500 $3,104
Maryland $286,900 $3,142
Wisconsin $165,800 $3,248
Vermont $217,500 $3,795
Rhode Island $238,000 $3,884
Massachusetts $333,100 $3,989
Illinois $173,800 $3,995
New York $283,400 $4,600
New Hampshire $237,300 $5,100
Connecticut $270,500 $5,327
New Jersey $315,900 $7,410
Carpinteria burns to the sea Montecito next ?
I don’t care how much you pay these firefighters with 60 MPH winds in the canyons they are not stopping this.
7 days of wind no let up and Jerry brown says its the new normal because of global warming , I predict more sales tax increases to pay for this just like last time, and the time before.
Fires in the mountain and on the plains in California have been a part of the eco-system for 100,000+ years.
The same goes for cycles of cooling and heating.
The same goes for floods and droughts and earthquakes and mudslides and tornadoes.
The only thing THAT HAS CHANGED in the last 150 years is that:
Lots of people now live in these areas.
They stop small fires so that only big fires are possible.
They build houses out of wood and combustible material.
I remember reading a book (long ago) of the first Spanish explorers and settlers in this area (in the days before insurance and cheap and easy obama money).
They would NOT live in certain areas. For good reason.
And what they built could survive what nature had in mind.
Hurricanes too. Listening to the FakeNews you’d think the first hurricane happened the year the Escalade came out.
“7 days of wind…”
I was just at the coast in Pacifica, and the wind was warm, from the east and flowing out to sea. The wind sock was stiff.
Jerry Brown enjoyed his day out but now needs to return to his memory care unit
Couldn’t any worse than Ronald “Mommy?!” Reagan. Hehe.
“The Mercury News in California. “Emma Carroll, a UC Berkeley grad student, is thinking about taking out loans just to pay what could be a substantially higher tax bill. Jerry Pohorsky, an engineer in Santa Clara, might put off his plans to buy a new electric vehicle if a federal tax credit gets cut. And John Hansen, an attorney in Castro Valley, is considering moving to Georgia in part to avoid paying some California income and property tax he could no longer deduct from his federal bill.””
BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Choke on it California.
2banana’s Law:
Conservatives are more than happy live under the same laws and pay the same taxes as they want for everyone else.
Liberals/progressives expect to be exempted from the same laws and taxes they want for everyone else.
As a person who lives in a state that gets hit by both hurricanes AND wildfires (yes, you heard that right, Florida gets hit by wildfires and the more people that move here, the greater the chance), I’m not particularly gleeful about what’s happening in CA. In fact it bums me out big time.
While I can understand the “in your face” attitude, given the likes of the state politicians, the sanctuary state policies, the hypocritical posturings of Hollywood and Silicon Valley, etc. please remember that these people are a small percentage of CA, ,but a large percentage of what has ruined it.
What’s going on in CA right now is horrific. Instead of seeking solutions, the psychopath governor has shrugged his shoulders and said “Get used to it.”
Most of us in other parts of the country are not immune to some sort of disaster. Earthquakes, tornadoes, fires, floods, volcanoes, etc., all of these can and do happen in the US. Laughing about it and tarring all the residents of a certain area with the same brush is not helpful.
With that said, if it were to be discovered that a certain powerful psychopathic CA politician ordered the fires to be set to further some sort of twisted goals, it would not surprise me.
Laughing about it and tarring all the residents of a certain area with the same brush is not helpful.
+1 Lots of my family live in CA. All good people.
Some long time posters might remember that I was displaced by a fire myself, and during the holidays, courtesy of some careless, partying neighbors. I appreciated the goodwill extended to me, including the one poster who offered me a rental on short notice. Very kind.
“Some long time posters might remember that I was displaced by a fire myself, and during the holidays,”
No I don’t remember. when did this happen?
Was everybody alright?
Late 2006, the week between Christmas and New Year’s. I was fine, one of my neighbors was fine, another one was initially OK, but the stress caused his pacemaker to act up and drove him to live with family in Indiana, as I recall. The couple that started the fire, the guy was OK, all he had was a bad hangover, the woman spent a long time in the hospital in a coma. I heard she survived, but it took lots of physical therapy and some reconstructive surgery.
Thank God for renters’ insurance.
Quite a story and right on about renters’ insurance.
Although I never had to use it I remember it as one of the few inexpensive good things about my late 2005 - 2012 renting experiences.
Wow. Don’t remember reading that. Jeez, and I complain 😣
There was a poster here by the name of mariner something or other, I think it was mariner66, but my memory’s a little fuzzy, they offered me a place in SW Florida, maybe Ft. Myers, again, my memory is vague, but whoever they were, if they’re still out there, many thanks, it was such a kindness.
LOL, and if you are still here, mariner, and posting under a different name, I apologize if I offended you by anything I wrote in later years.
it was such a kindness.
I, too, have had kindnesses handed to me over the internet. In 2013 an anonymous benefactor sent me an email notifying me that the Pentagon had recently recovered remains of a cousin of mine lost in Viet Nam in 1970, and there was to be a funeral in Arlington in a few more days. Had it not been for that notice, I wouldn’t have been able to make it. Years earlier I had posted an online memorial to my cousin & attached my email to the memorial.
What kind of taxes would a grad student at Berkeley pay? I can’t imagine her having a high salary or owning a home. Perhaps she’s a middle-ager with a day job and she’s a only a grad student part time.
My understanding is that the tax bill will make tuition waivers taxable. This will hit grad students.
Los Alto, CA Housing Prices Crater 29% YOY As Housing Inventory Floods Market
https://www.movoto.com/los-altos-ca/market-trends/
Just. Wow!
home price index 72.3 percent above the peak reached last decade before the housing crash.
Dc area is just back to par
DebtDonkey
Oakton, VA Housing Prices Crater 13% YOY
https://www.movoto.com/oakton-va/market-trends/
My neighborhood isn’t back to par. 2017 Comps are still tens of thousands below the 2006 Zestimates.
“I’m afraid to ask what “Trump Cream” is.”
My bad, it’s…
Trump skull cream
Used to pad the brain of a tormented Liberal Trump hater and stop lunatic thoughts that are bouncing from one side of their skulls to another.
Just last week Brian Ross of ABC News and Joy Behar ran low.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-XUVNTajak
Hey Donk.
93021 is now above the last peak unbelievable
B@tcoiN B@tchEZ !
“Conservatives seem to think they’ve stumbled on a devilishly clever new trope: insisting that restrictive city ordinances, especially in the area of real estate, are responsible for the high cost of housing and therefore to blame for most of the associated ills of poverty.”
Did they specifically say “city” ordinances? Or all ordinances, including those in the suburbs?
devilishly clever new trope
Problem is that it isn’t new. The issue has been building in CA for at least 2 decades. Maybe they just noticed now, or found that they could get political points by pointing it out.
In Texas, that would certainly be a new argument…but it’s a stupid argument there, as you can build forever with limited restrictions.
Did they specifically say “city” ordinances?
Would have been more accurate & descriptive to write “ordinances, zoning laws and building codes created by the rent-seeking class.”
For years Habitat for Humanity wanted to put up a few low cost homes in my town, but were prevented from doing so by the above restrictions, even though the homes they wanted to erect would have been far better in quality than the average existing homes in said town.
‘Even some of Trump’s biggest local fans are questioning the tax plan’s effect on their pocketbooks. Lori Drake, the former chair of the Alameda County Republican Party, said she supported the idea of simplifying the tax code and most of the bill, but opposed getting rid of deductions for state income and property tax, which she uses.
“We should be against that,” she said, “because it’s not fair to get double-taxed on anything.”’
So how about if the state of California subtracts federal income and local property tax from income before applying their exorbitant tax rate?
“‘If you have a young couple looking to buy their first house, why would they want to move here?’”
They can rent at 2/3 the cost, then buy at 30 percent off after the next crash.
a fool and his money are EVENTually parted!
Do u feel lucky PUNK, well do u?
Another bombing in New York City. Thanks, Obama.
Is Obama still president?
Is Obama still president?
In his own mind, yes.