April 14, 2018

The Great Adventures In Central Banking Bubble

A weekend topic starting with some comments from the past week. “Of course, this effort to broadly reflate house prices is no big secret (mostly - the Federal Reserve transcripts below from 2009 were released in 2015). And when all the central banks are playing from the same playbook, one sees a certain amount of synchronicity.”

“Ben Bernanke Has an Impressive Passive-Aggressive Streak, and Other Things We Learned in the New Fed Transcripts - MARCH 4, 2015 - New York Times.”

“As the Fed weighed strategies for arresting the economic tailspin in March 2009, including the collapsing housing market, Elizabeth Duke, a member of the board of governors, offered a colorful way of thinking of their task.”

“‘I’d like to start with the story of an elderly wealthy gentleman who had taken a young bride and begun to spend money like crazy,’ Ms. Duke said. ‘His friends got very concerned that he was going to go through his entire fortune, and they elected one of their number to go and talk to him about it. He said: ‘Sam, we’re really concerned. We want to make sure that you know that you can’t buy love.’ Sam said: ‘I know you can’t buy love, but if you spend enough money, you can buy something that looks so close you can hardly tell the difference.’”

“What does this have to do with housing? She continued: ‘So I think if we spent enough money, got enough of a hit right now, it would look like a floor on house prices, and we might have something every bit as good as a floor on house prices.’”

One added this, “Look no further than actions taken by the Fed after releasing their White Paper on Housing in early 2012 for the explanation of how housing so quickly became similarly overvalued to where it was in the runup to the 2007-2009 financial collapse.”

“Fed’s push on housing crosses a line, critics say. February 21, 2012.”

“Senior Federal Reserve officials are injecting themselves into a noisy debate over how to solve the housing crisis, drawing criticism from some lawmakers who say the Fed has no business straying from its traditional role as the U.S. central bank. Amid complaints that the Fed has encroached on Congress’s territory, Chairman Ben S. Bernanke has tried to allay concerns on Capitol Hill over the past few weeks, in the latest flap in a broader debate about the Fed’s proper role in the economy.”

“The latest commotion follows the Fed’s release last month of a report analyzing housing policy, which central bank officials say is closely related to their efforts to reinvigorate the economy. The report suggested that additional federal efforts to help homeowners could be worthwhile, even at taxpayer expense. Democrats have seized on the ‘white paper’ as ammunition in arguing for billions of dollars in new federal relief for beleaguered borrowers. Some Republicans have accused the Fed, which generally avoids addressing policy questions before Congress, of potentially compromising the central bank’s independence.”

“‘It appears the Fed may have overstepped their bounds in recommending fiscal policy actions,’ said Michael Feroli, chief U.S. economist at J.P. Morgan Chase. ‘It does get a little bit into dangerous territory.’”

“After Rep. Scott Garrett (R-N.J.) complained this month that the Fed had crossed a line, Bernanke said publicly that he was sorry if the lawmaker thought that the white paper intruded on a congressional debate. And after Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah) released a letter he sent to the Fed, warning it ‘to refrain from providing any hint of activism,’ Bernanke called him to explain the central bank’s actions.”

“Some Fed officials, in particular New York Fed chief William Dudley, have advocated a variety of new efforts to aid homeowners. Many of the white paper’s ideas to help the housing market echo Obama administration proposals, such as helping homeowners refinance into more affordable mortgages and selling foreclosed buildings for use as rental properties.”

From the Mankato Free Press. “Hang onto your hats. That’s the message from Hans Olsen, the global head of investment strategy for investment banking firm Stifel. One thing Olsen says sets this time apart from all other past cycles, is that it has and will be driven largely by what the Federal Reserve Central Bank did during and after the Great Recession. ‘You’re living through a historic time. This is an extraordinary experiment in banking that’s never been seen.’”

“Patrick Baker, of Greater Mankato Growth, said Olsen’s comments reinforced things he hears from local businesses. ‘Especially the inflation piece and the interest rate piece. We’ve had a long run of low interest rates and particularly in the housing sector that’s really helped some of our market rate housing come on line. What I hear from local developers is that a 1 percent rise in the interest rate can affect the ability of a project to go or not,’ Baker said.”

“Noting the previous ‘tech bubble’ and ‘housing bubble’ that led to big ups and then downs, Olsen said the current cycle might be called the ‘great adventures in central banking’ bubble. How it all turns out in a few years will depend on a variety of things.”

From Max Rangeley, manager of The Cobden Centre. “This week, the first Annual Summit on Economic Freedom will take place in the European parliament. I will have the pleasure of debating with the director of IMF Europe, Jeff Franks, on the topic of ‘Central Banks: The Solution or the Problem?’ From 2008 onwards, central banks have generally been regarded as the heroes that saved the day from the volatile and dangerous free market, but an interesting counter-narrative has developed: monetary policy has increased inequality, distorted markets, and – perhaps most importantly – created an even larger global debt bubble than that of 2008.”

“Bureaucratic price setting has a staggeringly high failure rate. We are not surprised when Venezuela has food shortages resulting from the government setting prices – we should also not be surprised when central banks setting interest rates lower than they would be in a free market results in a $230 trillion global debt bubble.”

“When the bubble bursts, it will be important that people understand that the crash is not some act of God, random event, ‘animal spirits,’ or innate feature of financial markets, but rather a consequence of having interest rates set by central banks which has created a global debt super-bubble. The only way to prevent this is to have interest rates set by the market rather than central bankers.”

From Tobias Peter, a senior research analyst at the American Enterprise Institute’s Center on Housing Markets and Finance. “Just 11 years after the last housing bubble burst, the United States is in the midst of yet another boom — both caused by errant federal housing policy and inflated by regulatory malpractice.”

“For decades, Congress has mandated any number of credit-easing policies because they appear to make buying a home more affordable at seemingly no cost. But, as the last housing bust proved, there is no free lunch. These mandates result in unsustainable price increases and price volatility by increasing demand when supply is constrained. This same process is being repeated today. But the cost is anything but free as these mandates make housing less affordable and promote instability.”

“Regulators enforce these mandates by requiring agencies like the government-sponsored enterprises Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to loosen credit standards in order to garner more business with higher risk borrowers. Credit easing was quickly capitalized into higher — not more affordable — home prices. The added buying power merely allowed lower-income buyers to inflate the price boom, at the expense of a greater debt burden and higher risk. Since the marginal buyer determines not only price levels, but also the degree of volatility in the market, the result was financial instability.”

“In the current boom, regulators are repeating these same mistakes. Take, for example, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau’s ability-to-repay rule, which emerged in response to the financial crisis. This rule established the ‘qualified mortgage,’ a type of loan created to ensure that potential buyers can afford their mortgage. Even though a QM cannot have risky features such as balloon payments or an interest-only period and caps the debt-to-income ratio at 43%, it has crucial flaws.”

“There are no minimums placed on credit scores, no maximums placed on loan-to-value ratios and no limits on risk layering, which is when low credit scores are combined with high LTVs, a 30-year amortization term and high DTIs. QM is all but safe. During the last financial crisis, there were widespread defaults among loans that would meet the qualified-mortgage standard today.”

“To make matters worse, the consumer bureau has allowed Fannie and Freddie and the FHA to exceed the qualified-mortgage debt-to-income limit to further expand the pool of eligible borrowers. While this decision was applauded by industry lobbying groups for the housing industry, it made QM loans even riskier.”

“The GSEs are also being forced by the Federal Housing Finance Agency to compete with the Federal Housing Administration for high-risk borrowers. In December 2014, the GSEs, at the behest of the housing finance agency, started to originate loans with as little as 3% down — something the FHFA had told them to stop doing under previous leadership. More recently, the housing finance agency pushed the enterprises to increase their DTI limit to 50%, further away from the original QM standard.”

“An even earlier jolt to lending came from monetary policy. In late 2012, the Federal Reserve announced its third round of quantitative easing and started to purchase $85 billion per month in long-term U.S. Treasury securities and agency mortgage-backed securities. A key aim of this program was to jump-start the housing sector through lower mortgage rates. Unfortunately, that’s just around the time the housing market flipped from being a buyer’s market to a seller’s market. The housing market remains a seller’s market today.”

“As a consequence of market conditions and credit easing, home prices started to rise rapidly. Since their trough in 2012, home prices have risen at an annual average rate of 5.5%, far more rapidly than incomes or inflation. At the lower end of the market, where leverage has been expanded the most, prices have recently risen at twice that rate.”

“But as the earlier boom has shown, everything that goes up must come down. The further prices deviate from market fundamentals, the more painful the eventual price correction will be for homeowners. Regulators have again endangered the long-term health of the entire housing market.”

From the Idaho Statesman. “The latest Treasure Valley home-sales report offers fabulous news for home sellers and more discouraging news for buyers, especially people who had hoped to buy but now cannot afford to. A month after home prices set records in Ada and Canyon counties, they did it again in March. The median price of the 848 single-family homes sold in Ada County was $308,950, up $11,450, or 4.2 percent, from the month before, according to the Intermountain MLS. In Canyon County, the median was $211,945, an increase of $15,955, or 8.1 percent.”

“In the past year, prices have climbed nearly 24 percent in Ada County and 21 percent in Canyon. As usual, new homes cost more than used. The Ada County median price was $345,870. That was actually a decrease from February’s, $362,587. Canyon’s new-house median is $244,900, up $21,925, or 9.8 percent.”

“Used homes were traditionally more plentiful than new, but not now. The number of used Ada County homes on the market in the first quarter was one-third lower than in 2017, said Breanna Vanstrom, CEO of Boise Regional Realtors. ‘What we’re seeing is very low inventory driving up the prices,’ Vanstrom said. ‘We’re truly in a supply-and-demand situation.’”

From the Herald Tribune. “The Sarasota-Manatee area recorded 467 foreclosure filings during the January-March period, with one in every 880 homes in some form of distress, according to ATTOM Data Solutions. ‘Less than half of all active foreclosures are now tied to loans originated during the last housing bubble, one of several data milestones in this report showing that the U.S. housing market has mostly cleared out the backlog of bad loans that triggered the housing and financial crisis nearly a decade ago,’ said Daren Blomquist, senior vice president at ATTOM.”

“‘Meanwhile, we are beginning to see early signs that some post-recession loan vintages are defaulting at a slightly elevated rate, a sign that some loosening of lending standards has occurred in recent years. Consequently, foreclosure starts are trending higher compared to a year ago in an increasing number of local markets — some of which are a bit surprising given the overall strength of housing in those markets,’ he said.”

“Sarasota-Manatee ranked 126th out of the 219 largest U.S. metro markets for foreclosure activity in the first quarter. Florida’s finished 11th with a foreclosure filing on one in every 599 homes. The average time to close a foreclosure in Florida was third longest at 1,247 days, according to the ATTOM report.”

From DNS News. “Mobile homes aren’t a sector of the housing market we often examine here at DS News, but a recent study tracking delinquencies among mobile-home loans could signal the build-up of troubling trends. Are increasing mobile home delinquencies the ‘canary in the coal mine’ that foreshadows larger problems impending for the housing market and for the broader economy?”

“According to research cited by UBS, a global financial services firm, mobile-home loan delinquencies are up 2 percent year-over-year. Moreover, the 30-day-plus delinquency rate has reached nearly 5 percent, which puts it at the highest level since 2005. Mobile-home 30-day-plus delinquencies, however, began an upward climb around Q3 2016.”

“It remains to be seen whether the increase in mobile-home loan delinquencies will translate to increased delinquencies on other types of home loans, especially among lower- and middle-income families. In their statement, UBS says, ‘We believe weakness in these two groups will drive higher credit losses at some stage over the next few years—particularly in credit card, installment, and student loans—with macroeconomic inflection from job growth to job loss as a likely catalyst.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2018-04-14 08:25:28

‘we are beginning to see early signs that some post-recession loan vintages are defaulting at a slightly elevated rate, a sign that some loosening of lending standards has occurred in recent years. Consequently, foreclosure starts are trending higher compared to a year ago in an increasing number of local markets — some of which are a bit surprising given the overall strength of housing in those markets’

Yeah, hard put places, like Austin Texas! We all know how depressed the economy has been there.

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-04-14 09:07:21

“‘we are beginning to see early signs that some post-recession loan vintages are defaulting’”

Considering 90%+ of all mortgages issued since 2007 are sub prime, why is that a surprise?

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-04-14 09:34:12

Because the REIC has engaged in an echo chamber of no risk for almost a decade:

‘There are no minimums placed on credit scores, no maximums placed on loan-to-value ratios and no limits on risk layering, which is when low credit scores are combined with high LTVs, a 30-year amortization term and high DTIs. QM is all but safe. During the last financial crisis, there were widespread defaults among loans that would meet the qualified-mortgage standard today.’

‘To make matters worse, the consumer bureau has allowed Fannie and Freddie and the FHA to exceed the qualified-mortgage debt-to-income limit to further expand the pool of eligible borrowers. While this decision was applauded by industry lobbying groups for the housing industry, it made QM loans even riskier.’

‘The GSEs are also being forced by the Federal Housing Finance Agency to compete with the Federal Housing Administration for high-risk borrowers. In December 2014, the GSEs, at the behest of the housing finance agency, started to originate loans with as little as 3% down — something the FHFA had told them to stop doing under previous leadership. More recently, the housing finance agency pushed the enterprises to increase their DTI limit to 50%, further away from the original QM standard.’

‘An even earlier jolt to lending came from monetary policy’

Read this again:

‘During the last financial crisis, there were widespread defaults among loans that would meet the qualified-mortgage standard today’

The AEI conference I posted recently made a crucial point. FHA is supposed to be counter-cyclical. Meaning they expand loans in a downturn and pull back in an upturn. Now everybody is pushing up:

‘The GSEs are also being forced by the Federal Housing Finance Agency to compete with the Federal Housing Administration for high-risk borrowers’

Comment by BlueSkye
2018-04-14 13:13:21

Did we over-foam the runway?

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Comment by BlackSwandive
2018-04-14 13:53:16

You can’t even see the runway anymore. The entire country is foam.

 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-04-14 14:11:31

The foam is on top of the yellow water.

 
 
 
Comment by redmondjp
2018-04-15 12:52:28

You have ZERO data to support that wild assertion, HA.

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-04-15 15:20:34

Hello my good friend.

Bellevue, WA Housing Prices Crater 11% YOY As Seattle Housing Bust Accelerates

https://www.zillow.com/bellevue-wa-98005/home-values/

https://snag.gy/m5EzRB.jpg

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Comment by Ben Jones
2018-04-14 08:32:53

I’d like to add this, because I’ve noticed people can see a mania more clearly from the outside:

‘The scenes of people camping out in the rain this week, for a chance to put a deposit down on a new house, were an ugly reminder of the property boom years. Around 20 people queued to buy houses in a development in west Dublin several days before they were due to go on sale.’

‘It was not the first house-hunter queue in the last two years, and it is worth noting the developer and selling agents could have avoided a line forming by putting a ticketing system in place to deal with advanced demand for house sales.’

‘That aside, the queuing-for-a-home phenomenon has echoes for many of the panic of the property bubble a decade ago. Queueing for houses was a regular occurrence in the Celtic Tiger years as prices spiralled and people were desperate to get on the property ladder.’

‘And it seems we are fast heading back to Celtic Tiger-type property nonsense, such is the jet-fuelled acceleration in property prices in the last three years. Prices are rising so fast, they will be above the Celtic Tiger peak by the end of next year. They jumped by 13pc in the year to February, the latest figures from the Central Statistics Office show. The rise is faster than previous months.’

‘One of the reasons for this is pent-up demand for property, from both first-time buyers and movers. Most potential buyers want a home that they will stay in for the rest of their lives, with few considering starter-type homes. But they are having to compromise heavily on their preferred place to live.’

‘Buyers are being forced into long commutes. That is why prices in the likes of Laois, Longford, Westmeath and Offaly have shot up by 15pc in the past year. And the supply of new homes is only a trickle, when we need a flood of properties.’

‘Alan McQuaid, an economist with Merrion Stockbrokers, said housing had overtaken health as the main political issue. And he warned: “Prices are only going one way in the short-term until the supply issue is resolved. There are shades of the Celtic Tiger era regarding the property market at the moment, and we all know how that ended.’

‘In many ways we are back where we started a decade ago when the Celtic Tiger bubble blow up in our faces. Prices are rising at unsustainable rates. A decent three-bed property in Dublin and other cities is now priced at 10 times the industrial wage.’

Comment by In Colorado
2018-04-14 08:52:17

‘It was not the first house-hunter queue in the last two years, and it is worth noting the developer and selling agents could have avoided a line forming by putting a ticketing system in place to deal with advanced demand for house sales.’

The REIC loves those lines, especially when they receive news coverage. It fuels the mania and stokes FOMO.

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-04-14 08:59:54

Of course. Like the bay aryans singing songs, ON DEMAND, from the sellers!

Comment by In Colorado
2018-04-14 10:22:22

I remember from my San Diego days, there were people you could hire to camp in line for you.

I recall a time when I went to Temecula to look at houses there, which at the time were cheaper than houses in north San Diego county, though the distance was mind boggling, at least for me. Anywho, I witnessed a couple arguing over whether or not to make an offer on a still unbuilt house, and one threatening the other with a divorce if they didn’t take the plunge right there and then.

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Comment by butters
2018-04-14 11:00:50

Lemme guess. The person threatening divorce had long hair?

 
Comment by oxide
2018-04-14 11:13:55

one threatening the other with a divorce

Lemme guess who was threatening whom…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20n-cD8ERgs

 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-04-14 11:41:24

My ex-BIL badgered my sister into buying at the pre-2008 peak, after I talked her down from the decision. He was the world’s greatest skinflint except for his penchant for stupid real estate investments. Eventually they divorced and occupied two separate houses they bought during their time as a married couple.

 
Comment by rms
2018-04-14 11:46:22

Haha… his nutz are in her purse.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Mr. Banker
2018-04-14 08:43:23

“Credit easing was quickly capitalized into higher — not more affordable — home prices. The added buying power merely allowed lower-income buyers to inflate the price boom, at the expense of a greater debt burden and higher risk. Since the marginal buyer determines not only price levels, but also the degree of volatility in the market, the result was financial instability.”

The marginal buyer determinins the price level of the house he buys which determines the values of the comps. The result: RICHES FOR ALL!

Riches for entire neighborhoods, riches that can be cashed out and spent

Cashed out and spent riches creates a booming economy. Who needs a job when your house can finance all of your expenses?

Only a nation of dummies would fall for such a stupid idea.

Comment by aNYCdj
2018-04-14 09:30:04

I remember this place in Long island city 2008 proudly advertising $3200 to buy and $2200 to rent

Looks as though rents ave moved up to break even in 2018, guess they made it back in cap gains 500k to 890k

https://streeteasy.com/building/the-l-haus/7n?card=1

https://streeteasy.com/building/the-l-haus

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-04-14 10:11:54

Sounds appealing on the surface but once you add in interest, taxes and depreciation at $3/sqft year after year, you’re still double the rental rate instead of triple.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2018-04-14 10:17:35

Only a nation of dummies would fall for such a stupid idea.

YOLO, baby. Tomorrow? There might not be a tomorrow, so get that super duper pickup or German luxosedan today!

Comment by BlueSkye
2018-04-14 13:20:02

You deserve it!

 
Comment by oxide
2018-04-14 13:40:24

German luxosedan..

I had a to ask a friend about the practice of “blackout,” where the logo on the grill of a car is darkened, like the silver L of a Lexus or the Mercedes or Beemer logos. At first I thought they darkened the logo because the car was bought used in a shady deal (like ripping the cover off a book). But no, evidently blacking out is part of the ultra-rich aftermarket customizations, and they are imitating it.

I guess I’m square, because I’ve never heard of this. It still makes no sense to me. Blackout or not, these cars are still obviously used money pits. It only makes the car look ghetto, like putting spinny rims on a Yugo.

Comment by ChuckA
2018-04-14 15:13:21

You are square because the term is “Murdered Out”. ;p

For the most part it looks tacky but there are some cars that do look nice.

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Comment by redmondjp
2018-04-15 12:55:03

It’s not a new thing - the T-Type option on several Buick models also did this as far back as the early 1980s.

AMG did it on performance Mercedes cars as well.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-04-14 09:03:01

Atlantic Beach, FL Housing Prices Crater 16% YOY As Boomers Liquidate Retirement Assets

https://www.movoto.com/atlantic-beach-fl/market-trends/

 
Comment by Neuromance
2018-04-14 09:34:50

• House prices are affected by multiple factors. Some carry more weight, some carry less.

• One of those factors is consumption demand. If population is increasing, more demand for houses, house prices get bid up.

• I came across this story: Plunging Population in Poorest EU State Nears World War II Level”. It’s Bulgaria.

• So I wondered, what do house prices in Bulgaria look like? Do they follow the same pattern seen within US states and across the globe? That is, a big bump at 2008, a drop, then a runup till now.

• Bulgaria population: https://www.google.com/search?q=bulgaria+population

• Bulgaria house prices: https://tradingeconomics.com/bulgaria/housing-index

Interestingly, they exhibit a similar pattern seen in the US and much of Europe. So it seems it’s not population in this case being the driving factor.

• Baltimore City has been losing population for 50 years: https://www.google.com/search?q=baltimore+city+population

• Here’s the Baltimore house price index: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/ATNHPIUS24510A

Demand is certainly a factor. But a population making 30K can only bid up prices to a certain level and it stays there. Speculative demand, driven by wealthy individuals with deep pockets is more volatile, and can push prices higher. And of course, loosening loan standards and a willingness to loan larger amounts can boost prices.

tl;dr: monetary policy factors play a major role in house prices.

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-04-14 09:57:02

We’ve always had populations moving around without these huge spikes in prices.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2018-04-14 10:15:25

When you look at prices vs. incomes in other countries it becomes apparent that the bubble is worse in most other countries vs. here, and it’s pretty bad here. And they have bubbles without fixed rate mortgages or an MID. China’s ghost cities come to mind, where entire cities of flats are built for the sole purpose of flipping, and no one is actually expected to live in them.

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-04-14 10:21:16

Canada has a huge percentage of loans that will have to be refinanced in a few years. Yet their governments are dead set on bringing down prices. Clearly, they can see the sooner it’s resolved, the better.

Comment by In Colorado
2018-04-14 10:34:32

By refi, you mean the interest rate will adjust, or do Canucks need to requalify every time that happens? Because if they do, a lot of people will be underwater. What would happen under such a scenario? Massive repossessions? And who will cover the loses?

Also, I seem to recall that the Canadians did this last time, but then when things started to sour they promptly reinflated their bubble.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2018-04-14 10:39:26

As I understand it they have short term loans.

‘While the 30-year, fixed-rate mortgage has become a staple in the U.S., Canada doesn’t offer anything remotely similar. The longest term for a home loan in the North Country is five years, with the amount amortized over a 25-year period. Canadian banks also offer fixed-rate mortgages for two-year, three-year, and four-year terms. This means Canadians can never count on having a particular loan interest rate last more than five years.’

‘In the rest of the world, 30-year mortgages are uncommon. Most countries, outside the U.S. and Denmark, don’t offer them at all. Before the Great Depression, even U.S. borrowers generally took out short-term mortgages, which were paid off or refinanced when the term ended.’

https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/02/23/3-huge-differences-between-us-and-canadian-mortgag.aspx

 
Comment by BlueSkye
2018-04-14 13:24:34

My GF in Ontario has a 10 year loan. It wasn’t advertised as an option, nor recommended by the bank. She had to insist. Suddenly it was no problem.

 
Comment by BlackSwandive
2018-04-14 22:57:22

I guess they’re all balloon loans in Canada. Not a good product when interest rates are at historical lows and going up. The loan is going to get more expensive every subsequent refi, and they’re paying hardly anything to principle with those loans. Ever look at a balloon amortization schedule? Good lord they’re screwed…

 
Comment by Jenn k
2018-04-14 23:10:24

Welcome one door down to http://www.greaterfool.ca. glad to have any other Yanks join the conversation. I was referred to this blog via a greaterfool commenter actually.

 
Comment by rms
2018-04-15 08:47:11

“I guess they’re all balloon loans in Canada.”

It pays to have some equity and a stable payment history when the time arrives to renegotiate another loan. The poor performers have fewer options and higher rates.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-04-14 10:25:48

I guess there is a big problem considering population growth is at all time historic lows per most recent census.

How about the 70 million housing units just beginning to trickle on the market as the boomer generation is starting to die off?

Comment by aNYCdj
2018-04-14 11:33:01

where I grew up in southern CT most of the houses on our street are still owned by the kids, either they moved in or are renting them, They are easy sells or rentals since we were a very short walk to the elementary and high school, a longer walk to the middle school no buses needed.

 
Comment by tresho
2018-04-15 10:28:51

How about the 70 million housing units just beginning to trickle on the market
My next door neighbor of 38 years moved out & moved in with her widowed daughter across town. A couple of her divorced / widowed grandchildren with their children moved into her big old house. House had been empty for a couple of months before this. Lots of extra cars next door now. They asked to borrow my lawnmower. I may hire one of the kids to do my lawn this summer if their price is right.

 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2018-04-14 10:29:57

The idea of luxury car sales being a leading indicator for a slow down is intriguing to me, so I looked at the Lexus website for kicks.

The biggest rebate I saw was for $1000, so I’m guessing we’re not there yet. I think you can get a better discount on a Ford or a Toyota.

Comment by MGSpiffy
2018-04-14 10:52:59

Different market segment and different sales volumes. (And different target demographics).

It may be that the fact you are seeing a rebate at all there on vehicles they only sell a few tens of thousands of is more telling than bigger rebates on vehicles they sell hundreds of thousands of.

Comment by In Colorado
2018-04-14 18:21:57

I do seem to recall last time things went south that they had huge rebates.

 
 
 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-04-14 10:42:49

Mukilteo, WA Housing Prices Crater 6% YOY On Rising Seattle Mortgage Defaults

https://www.movoto.com/mukilteo-wa/market-trends/

Comment by azdude
2018-04-14 11:41:33

your dumpster awaits u

Comment by BlueSkye
2018-04-14 13:26:55

Sure you don’t want to keep it yourself as a backup plan?

Comment by scdave
2018-04-14 16:17:10

You love throwing arrows don’t you. Your problem is you can’t take any. Kind of like your leader.

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Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-04-14 16:20:41

Housing my good friend…. Housing.

Francisco, CA 94109 Housing Prices Crater 16% YOY As California Loses Population

https://www.zillow.com/san-francisco-ca-94109/home-values/

*Select price from drop-down menu on first chart

 
 
Comment by BlueSkye
2018-04-14 16:54:07

If the dude is offended dave he can tell me directly. I would be surprised.

He is not a thin skinned Realtor like you, but he is definitely a debt donkey pretender.

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Comment by scdave
2018-04-14 17:18:17

but he is ??

Pretty typical of you. Drawing conclusions on your preseption. But, your the sientist with the mermaides on the dock waiting for you, so what the hell should us lemmings think. You and the leader are the almighty OZ.

 
Comment by sod
2018-04-14 18:07:32

Is that English as a second language? Maybe third?

 
Comment by BlueSkye
2018-04-14 20:23:54

May you find peace of mind, somehow.

 
Comment by oxide
2018-04-15 06:20:31

Guyz, please, you’re gonna make the owner mad.

ISTM that azdude’s insult one-liners are a just a gimmick meme, much like HA’s crater posts. Not to be taken at face value. Just play along or ignore it.

 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-04-15 06:27:48

Hey Donk

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-04-14 12:16:13

‘As the Fed weighed strategies for arresting the economic tailspin in March 2009, including the collapsing housing market, Elizabeth Duke, a member of the board of governors, offered a colorful way of thinking of their task…‘So I think if we spent enough money, got enough of a hit right now, it would look like a floor on house prices, and we might have something every bit as good as a floor on house prices.’

The central bank doesn’t know what a “floor” should be. And where does it say they have the right to be doing this? Of course, once they got their “hit” they kept at it and didn’t stop until now prices are higher than ever in some places. I’ve said before, when they history of this thing is properly written, the most important decisions will have been made after 2008. And if this is a bubble in the US and it collapses, they won’t have wall street to pin it on. It’s all on the central bankers, Mel Watt and the government for not stopping them.

Comment by Mike
2018-04-14 12:29:16

Power breeds arrogance and nowhere is it more evident than with the Masters of the Monetary Universe.
Having flooded the US and the world with dollars, they watched with obvious self satisfaction as asset prices inflated. The crisis in housing affordability, the punishment of prudent savers and the grotesque growth in the disparity of wealth are trivialized or ignored.
They will keep on doing what they do until they crash the whole system. As William Blake said “If the fool would persist in his folly he would become wise” So one day, the persistence of their folly will come to its inevitable end and they will write volumes of exculpatory retrospectives explaining how “no one could have seen this coming”

 
Comment by BlackSwandive
2018-04-15 07:56:58

‘So I think if we spent enough money, got enough of a hit right now, it would look like a floor on house prices, and we might have something every bit as good as a floor on house prices.’

Of all the responsible things these people could be doing for humanity, they chose this. Just look at the explosion in homelessness because of these reckless policies. Really, really disturbing.

 
 
Comment by rms
2018-04-14 13:27:23

Why you can’t afford a home in the UK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVX3c_O3RSY

 
Comment by Fl_Skeptic
2018-04-14 14:04:16

Well, I bought a house in Palm Beach County, Florida two years ago, for $60,000 because of the things I learned on this blog. At the time I bought this one, similar houses on the same street were selling for $180,000 so I thought I got a good deal. In 2017 they were selling for $200 - $235,000. This YTD there has been only 1 sale, and that was for $252,000. It was a little better house than most, but the prices are not showing any signs of going down. It is just crazy.

My Tax appraisal price is $134,000 and it is capped, there. In the last bust, these houses ended up with tax appraisal prices of $80,000. I feel almost foolish not selling and renting for a while, but I am inclined stay where I am and watch the crash in comfort.

No negative equity here, buddy.

Comment by BlueSkye
2018-04-14 15:36:57

Why didn’t your tax appraisal reset to what you paid for the house?

Comment by BlackSwandive
2018-04-15 08:21:44

Exactly. I would have been down at the assessor’s office stat, as the sale price IS the true value of a house. Having said that, I am failing to understand how he bought a house for $60,000 when others were selling for $180,000. That does not pass the sniff test.

 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2018-04-15 09:47:13

two years ago, for $60,000 because of the things I learned on this blog. At the time I bought this one, similar houses on the same street were selling for $180,000

How did you manage to find a deal like that, at what sounds like a significantly below-market price? Were there major issues with the house that prevented competition from other buyers, such as it being uninhabitable/unlendable until repaired?

 
 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-04-14 14:40:26

Miramar Beach, FL Housing Prices Crater 7% YOY As Price Declines Expand Across State

https://www.movoto.com/miramar-beach-fl/market-trends/

 
Comment by GreenEggsAndSpam
2018-04-14 15:32:47

Heard on the radio that the Clownifornia insurance commissar is mandating that the homes damaged in the floods/mudslides be covered even though most just had fire insurance because the floods/slides were caused by the fires. Thats funny, where I live we get flooding and slides - in fact we’ve had several highway closures in the past month from slides and I just got an emergency text today about possible flash flooding - but oddly enough, its due purely to RAIN.

Everyone is going to be paying a lot more to insure their properties in that s-thole state going forward. The insane sociopaths that run that dump love deciding arbitrarily when a contract or law is valid or not.

Comment by rms
2018-04-14 18:06:21

Sounds like a great way to garner some votes.

Comment by In Colorado
2018-04-14 18:25:04

And to guarantee that insurers will flee the state.

Comment by tresho
2018-04-15 10:32:18

to guarantee that insurers will flee the state.
Maybe the CA state pols can figger out a way to force those eevil insurers to continue offering policies at ever increasing losses.

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Comment by Apartment 401
2018-04-14 16:16:35

20 Dead After Israeli Warplanes Reportedly Attack Iranian Military Base In Syria:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-14/unidentified-warplanes-strike-iranian-military-base-southern-syria-skynews-arabia

William Kristol probably will need a clean pair of undies after reading this…

Comment by Apartment 401
2018-04-14 16:40:32

US warned Israel of Syrian strikes in advance:

“The U.S. notified Israel on Friday before it carried out missile strikes on Syrian targets, an Israeli official told Reuters.

The official said Israel received the warning between 12 and 24 hours before the attack was carried out. A U.S. embassy spokesperson confirmed the Israeli official’s comment to Reuters.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu praised the U.S. for the joint missile strikes it carried out with the U.K. and France that targeted three chemical weapons facilities in Syria.

“Early this morning, under American leadership, the United States, France and the United Kingdom demonstrated that their commitment is not limited to proclamations of principle,” Netanyahu said in a written statement.

Netanyahu warned that the Syrian government is endangering itself by giving Iran and its proxies a “forward base.”

http://thehill.com/policy/international/383187-us-warned-israel-of-syrian-strikes-in-advance-report

Neocons gonna neocon (and yeah, alot of people are gonna die)

Comment by rms
2018-04-14 19:23:24

At least the Neocons are 420 friendly… for now.

 
 
Comment by jeff
2018-04-15 09:24:00

President Trump says he wants to pull troops out of Syria

By JORDYN PHELPS CONOR FINNEGAN Apr 3, 2018, 5:25 PM ET

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-trump-pull-troops-syria/story?id=54208786

TPTB knows how to stop that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-t8PngHgWY

 
 
Comment by Overbanked
2018-04-14 19:50:41

Good news! Tax Freedom Day this year is May 6, 2018!

https://taxfoundation.org/tax-freedom-day-2018/

That’s a whole day earlier than last year, May 7, 2017!

https://taxfoundation.org/tax-freedom-day-2017/

Tax Freedom Day when Jimmy Carter and the left controlled Washington was April 22, 1979.

https://taxfoundation.org/tax-freedom-day-2014-data-tables/

It’s come later ever since.

 
Comment by sod
2018-04-15 05:10:52

8,000 inquire about 201 apartments as Central Florida officials seek affordable housing options

“We have made production easier, quicker and less expensive, but our fundamental issue is that our builders are building a type of housing that does not meet a need,” Caswell added.

Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-04-15 07:10:59

When you offer a limited number of goods for sale at below-market rates, excess demand is the natural result. Consequently, some form of allocation is required to determine who gets the goods. It’s helpful to have a discrimination criteria, such as skin color, ethnicity, or level of impoverishment, to determine who qualifies for the free stuff.

Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-04-15 07:32:52

This story is but one data point which illustrates the abysmal failure of command-and-control affordable housing policy out of DC. They tried to subsidize increased housing production for low-income families, but instead wound up with a glut of luxury apartments that nobody wants, needs or can afford. Epic fail!

 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2018-04-15 06:13:32

Lot of globull warming today

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/longest-winter-of-my-life-edmonton-breaks-record-with-historic-cold-stretch-1.3885288

Ice storm Ontario/ Quebec

https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1371328

Oh yeah hose-ing … sounds like NYC

8,000 inquire about 201 apartments as Central Florida officials seek affordable housing options

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/classified/realestate/os-bz-affordable-housing-20180414-story.html

Comment by MacBeth
2018-04-15 08:46:34

I’m in flyover.

Last weekend, on both Saturday and Sunday, our high temperature was 6 degrees below the average LOW temperature. That meant our high temperatures for the days were 37 and 36 degrees below average, respectively.

We are WAAAYYY below average still (high temp today should be 64; it’s forecast to be 41).

This has been going on for several weeks now. And across a very large portion of the continent.

Here, the grass is still brown. The trees are not budding yet. And it’s April 15!

So much for global warming.

Comment by In Colorado
2018-04-15 09:32:45

I’m also in flyover, and at high altitude too. Last weekend our highs were in the 60’s and 70’s.

Comment by MacBeth
2018-04-15 09:35:43

The front range is an exception to this year’s rule. Check out the snow cover map below.

And look at Canada!

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Comment by tresho
2018-04-15 10:35:41

Relatives in the front range area left last week on a long road trip, and took their RV to southern NM to get away from the winter misery. They are enjoyed 80 degree weather and dust storms instead of blizzards. They were unable to fill their RV’s water tanks until they got to a warmer climate.

 
 
 
 
Comment by MacBeth
2018-04-15 08:54:03

Check this out - the nation’s snow cover as of this morning, April 15.

There’s still an astonishing amount of real estate covered in snow. And check out Canada, much of it buried under 24 inches plus.

Depending on how fast all that melts, and how much spring rain falls, there could be much cropland under water this summer. Not good.

http://www.intellicast.com/Travel/Weather/Snow/Cover.aspx

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2018-04-15 11:48:12

As I have been saying for more than ten years on the blog, that it is the solar cycle and not man-made production of co2 that has been the primary driver of global warming. While co2 in the atmosphere has been going parabolic the last twenty years, global warming has slowed to a crawl as sunspots have moved from a high level to a normal level, now that they are moving to a low level, we are more likely to see global cooling than global warming. This is due to cosmic rays seeding clouds when sunspot activity is low. I have been attacked for talking about this issue too much on this blog so this is my last post on the subject for awhile.

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-04-15 12:06:36

Housing my friend.

Alameda, CA Housing Prices Crater 14% YOY On Eroding Bay Area Tech Economy

https://www.zillow.com/alameda-ca/home-values/

*Select price from dropdown menu on first chart

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Comment by MacBeth
2018-04-15 12:24:17

Dan, you won’t get an argument from me on this matter.

The sun is by far the largest determinant of weather on good ‘ole planet Earth. Always has been.

Next are minute changes in elliptical orbit of planet Earth. Ours is not a perfectly circular orbit. The Earth also is prone to a slight wobble on its axis.

Until mankind can control the temperature and rate of energy consumption by Sol, and Earth’s orbit, globalist claims of mankind interference are b.s.

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Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-04-15 06:45:08

Alameda, CA Housing Prices Crater 14% YOY On Eroding Bay Area Tech Economy

https://www.zillow.com/alameda-ca/home-values/

*Select price from dropdown menu on first chart

 
Comment by azdude
2018-04-15 07:23:21

all this central bank coming to the rescue of wall street started after 1987 with greenspan. Wasn’t the FED balance sheet about 200 billion then? Then it went to 800 billion. Then it went to 4.5 trillion after the housing bust.

Is it possible to really reverse this pattern?

Comment by aNYCdj
2018-04-15 08:14:56

Probably not to me the biggest mistake was they bailed out AIG and let CIT moneygram etc. twist on the wind.

AIG had more then enough assets to cover our 180 billion dollar bailout, but CIT which made loans to small business advances on AR, inventory and letters of credit for shipping companies, when that froze all hellll broke loose

Comment by azdude
2018-04-15 08:38:07

I dont see how in the world their balance sheet can go down to where it was pre crisis without all these bubbles imploding.

I really think this is permanent and more debt will be added. They are just killing time talking about it. All the growth they thought would appear hasn’t.

The politicians see their balance sheet as a source of debt for more pet projects.

This wont stop.

Comment by In Colorado
2018-04-15 09:28:30

As long as hyperinflation doesn’t show up at the supermarket checkout line or the gas pump, they’ll continue to kick the can. Heck, they might continue to kick it even if hyperinflation comes knocking.

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Comment by rms
2018-04-15 08:52:35

“Probably not to me the biggest…”

Probably not. To me the biggest… :)

 
 
 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-04-15 07:23:35

It seems like nobody on high in either academia or government has recognized the folly of pursuing a command-and-control housing finance policy predicated on the questionable assumption that we can make ourselves collectively better off through subsidizing, building, then buying and selling each other houses at ever-rising prices. Anyone who suggested this possibility three decades ago would have been laughed out of the room, but now it’s the Gospel which guides our national economic policy.

Until this specious claptrap is overthrown by a collective awakening, the Housing Bubble will continue to suck our national prosperity down a real estate rat hole.

Comment by azdude
2018-04-15 07:55:45

“The Fed’s balance sheet is a pile of tinder, but it hasn’t been lit . . . inflation will eventually have to rise.” a. greenspan

 
 
Comment by Taxpayers
2018-04-15 08:50:51

Ads touting the wonders of reits r on the tube,Twitter ,everYwhere
Spending bigly

 
Comment by rms
2018-04-15 08:59:13

Is the shortage in real Maple Syrup a natural event, or is Goldman Sachs gaming my breakfast now? Looking on Amazon I see their sellers are “Out of stock. Would you like a notification when it’s available?”

Comment by In Colorado
2018-04-15 09:25:05

I saw plenty at the supermarket the other day.

Comment by rms
2018-04-15 12:00:07

No “real” maple syrup at our Costco, Safeway or Walmart. :(

Comment by jeff
2018-04-15 13:21:09

You can’t live with Log Cabin?

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Comment by rms
2018-04-15 14:42:59

Most of the imitation maple are high fructose corn syrup.

 
 
Comment by Hi-Z
2018-04-15 15:37:44

“Spring Tree 100% Pure Maple Syrup, 8.5 fl oz” $5.48
from Walmart.com

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Comment by jeff
2018-04-15 09:41:55

Workers renovating Minnesota department store find mummified monkey

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MINNEAPOLIS — Workers renovating the old Dayton’s department store in downtown Minneapolis have discovered a mystery: the mummified remains of a monkey. Crews found the carcass last week in an air duct on the seventh floor of the century-old building.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mummified-monkey-daytons-department-store-renovation-minnesota/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNY8eYmzdH4

Comment by BlueSkye
2018-04-15 09:59:56

It was somewhat fashionable early in the 20th Century to keep monkeys as pets. Possibly one got away only to be lost in the maze.

 
 
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