May 8, 2018

This Sudden Batting Collapse

A report from The Windsor Star in Canada. “The good news about Calgary’s resale housing market is, if you’re in a buying mode, there are a lot of homes from which to choose and very little competition from other buyers. The Calgary Real Estate Board’s (CREB) report for April shows sales for all types of homes are down by 20 percent on a year-over-year basis for the month, from 1,900 sales last year to 1,518 sales last month. The decline was led by single-family homes, down 23.83 percent, followed by semi-detached homes at –23.53 percent, attached homes down 18.12 percent, row/townhomes at -13.12 percent and apartments, down 7.42 percent.”

“Conversely, inventory rose to 7,324 homes in April, a 33 percent increase from April 2017, leading to almost a five-month supply on the market. Changes in the lending industry – the mortgage stress test and rising interest rates – are part of the slowdown, as is an economy that continues to be sluggish.”

“‘Slower sales do not come as a surprise, given the economy has not yet improved enough to offset the impact of changes in the lending industry,’ said CREB chief economist Ann-Marie Lurie. ‘While the rising inventories are being monitored, prices have remained relatively flat as gains in some areas of the city have been offset by declines in other areas.’”

From This Is Money. in the UK. “House prices dropped 3.1 per cent in April, in the biggest monthly fall in more than seven years, Halifax’s latest figures revealed. Lucy Pendleton, founder director of independent estate agents James Pendleton, said: ‘This sudden batting collapse in the monthly figures has knocked more than £7,000 off the price of the average home as the market continues to be starved of life. It’s true that monthly figures are more volatile but you mustn’t ignore the body of evidence that surrounds them either.’”

“‘We’ve now witnessed three consecutive falls in the quarterly figures, the amount of new consumer borrowing quite literally collapsed in March in an ominous sign of tightening purse strings, home sales are at a two-year low and the number of new instructions has fallen for the 25th month in a row. Whether or not this is a market being pulled in different directions remains to be seen. Short-term volatility can be ignored to a certain extent, but less so when it confirms what a great many other indicators are telling you.’”

From The Kuwait Times. “There are currently 49,130 empty flats in Kuwait and 26,466 others under construction; thus more than 75,000 units need to be ‘absorbed’ by the domestic property market in 4-5 years, according to the Kuwait Real Estate Union. Average monthly rent dropped from KD 278.9 (approximately $920.3) to KD 242 ($798.6) – 13.2 percent – said Ahmad Al-Dewaihees, the union’s secretary general, citing a report prepared by the union. It studied 875 plots, including 26,466 under-construction residential units in all districts, in addition to 13,535 completed ones.”

“The rate of expatriates’ population growth, which reached 4.8 percent over the past five years, dropped by two percent in 2017 and will fall by 1.5 percent in the coming five years. As to ownership flats, transactions exceeded 1,000 in 2007 and 2008. Following the global economic crisis, they ebbed by 2012. However, the market recovered, with 973 transactions in 2015, but dropped to 671 in 2017.”

From Asia One. “Singapore is recognised as an exceptionally expensive city, especially when it comes to price of cars and properties. Much to the delight of Singapore’s renters, the average median rent of 4-room HDBs decreased by 3.67 per cent to S$2,120 in 2017 and by 13.16 per cent over the past 3 years. Areas further from the downtown core experienced the biggest decline in rents. For instance, Jurong West, Punggol and Sengkang experienced the most significant declines in rental prices of around 20 per cent.”

“The decline appears to be driven by both government intervention and market dynamics. For example, in recent years the government has introduced measures to cool the housing market. Simultaneously, there has an increase in the supply of HDB flats.”

“While renters can enjoy a decrease in rental prices, property owners and real estate investors should take heed when purchasing a property due to recent trends in the HDB resale market. HDB prices followed a similar trend to the rental market. The Resale Price Index (RPI), which measures price changes in the HDB housing market, has consistently decreased from the end of 2013 (145.8) through 2017 (132.6). Areas like Bedok and Woodlands exemplified this decline, experiencing the most significant declines with resale prices down 27 per cent and 25 per cent from 2014 through 2017, respectively.”

From Focus Taiwan. “Transactions in Taiwan’s property market fell in April despite a rise in the listing of homes that are being built or are newly completed, according to a survey conducted by real estate magazine My Housing, indicating potential buyers were still taking a wait and see attitude. The magazine said April was a traditional peak season for the local property market and it was no surprise that property developers were keen to launch homes in the month to boost buying interest.”

“Ho Shih-chang (何世昌), a research manager at the magazine, said the efforts by property developers to launch new homes in the market showed they were becoming more confident, adding that the number of newly-completed homes hit about 1,500 units in April. Nonetheless, potential buyers were clearly still reluctant to make home purchases.”

“One of the reasons buyer sentiment remained weak was because of the continuing high prices, which are not affordable or are considered too costly for average wage earners. Data compiled by the magazine showed that the total value of pre-sale homes in the month stood at more than NT$50 billion (US$1.68 billion), according to the magazine. Ho said the survey results suggest that the room for home price negotiations has narrowed, indicating that property developers appeared reluctant to lower the price of newly-launched homes, which prevented transactions from being completed quickly.”

“Owners of used homes may also be reluctant to reduce prices, contributing to the continuing slump in Taiwan’s property market.”

The Sydney Morning Herald in Australia. “To get a home loan, most people would know they might have to make sacrifices - but perhaps they don’t expect their bank to suggest they cut their $15-a-week gym membership. That’s what happened to Brooke Tassits when she took the plunge into property ownership last year, as her lender demanded to know, in great detail, about her day-to-day living expenses to get the deal over the line.”

“The 23-year-old marketing professional from Melbourne says her bank wanted to know how often she ate out, went to the movies and filled up her car with petrol. It doubted she would be able to afford her gym membership with a mortgage - so was she going to the gym? ‘There was a lot of back and forth, there was a lot of them scrutinising my bank statements and questioning single items on there and what they were,’ she says, adding that she did quit the gym.’

“‘I remember I paid one of my grandma’s bills for her one day, and they even questioned that and whether it was a regular thing.’ At one point she was tempted to walk away, because ‘I just felt like I had to prove my entire life to the bank,’ but she was convinced to press ahead by her mother and ultimately got the loan and bought a unit.”

“After copping a public hammering for all sorts of poor behaviour at the royal commission led by former High Court judge Kenneth Hayne, banks say they are going to extra lengths to dot every ‘i’ and cross every ‘t’ in meeting their legal obligations, especially those relating to responsible lending. The squeeze will also likely come on financial planning and business lending to improve standards and reduce conflicts of interest.”

“ANZ’s Elliott this week told investors banks had enjoyed a 20-year golden era, propped up by strong economic growth and a buoyant housing market, but they now faced a ‘watershed moment’ that would have consequences, including in the $1.6 trillion home loan market. House prices are already falling in Sydney and Melbourne, with the slump blamed on tougher lending rules for property investors, a wave of new units coming onto the market and buyer exhaustion after years of strong growth.”

“Capital Economics economist Paul Dales doesn’t see a credit ‘meltdown.’ But he points to the possibility that if Labor wins the next election, the property market would face a ‘double whammy’ - tighter lending conditions at the same time as negative gearing is curbed and capital gains tax concessions are slashed. Interest rates might also start to rise, further dampening prices. ‘The real risk is that house prices fall further and faster than the gradual, fairly modest decline we are currently expecting,’ Dales says.”

“As for Tassits, she has now rejoined her gym.”

The Dockland News in Australia. “What legislation and the courts couldn’t do, market forces are now starting to turn the tables on short-stay apartments in Docklands. While some real estate agents are reluctant to declare a definite trend, one agency says it returned 16 apartments to the long-term market in the last month. Lina D’Ambrosio of City Residential said many landlords are now yielding more from long-term rentals, but only if they let their properties fully-furnished.”

“NewQuay landlord Elena Tsapatolis said she recently returned two furnished apartments to the long-term market because the bottom had fallen out of the short-term industry. She said, at its peak, one of her apartments was returning $4000 per month, but had recently dropped to only $1500. But, she said, the apartment was now bringing in $3500 per month by being rented fully furnished on the long-term market.”

“She said long-term renters had greater respect for the apartment itself and, more tellingly, for the local community. Ms Tsapatolis said an over-supply of short-term rentals in recent years had led to a price war, which had now made long-term rental more attractive. Barry Plant associate director Steven Heaven said low occupancy rates was at the heart of the move for landlords to return rentals to the long-term market.”

“He said short-stays in the past were occupied 95 per cent of the time, but this figure had recently falled to 30 per cent. He said one landlord recently returning his property to long-term renting reported just 10 per cent occupancy. Ms D’Ambrosio said the demand for long-term furnished apartments was enormous, with many being snapped up before they were even advertised. She said online booking agencies were now taking massive commissions from short-term landlords, making many of them question their approach.”

“‘When you throw in the other costs like cleaning, they are better off renting to people who want to stay longer,’ she said.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2018-05-08 08:50:16

‘The decline appears to be driven by both government intervention and market dynamics. For example, in recent years the government has introduced measures to cool the housing market’

‘tighter lending conditions at the same time as negative gearing is curbed and capital gains tax concessions are slashed. Interest rates might also start to rise’

Huh, supply and demand must not really figure into popping a bubble. It might get a mention here and there, but loans were driving this thing.

 
Comment by Apartment 401
2018-05-08 09:07:43

Ben Jones did you post something yesterday about a “moral high ground”

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/four-women-accuse-new-yorks-attorney-general-of-physical-abuse

Comment by rms
2018-05-08 13:20:41

Iron My Shirt

 
 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-05-08 09:27:02

Juno Beach, FL Housing Prices Crater 8% YOY As Demand Coastal Property Plummets

https://www.movoto.com/juno-beach-fl/market-trends/

Comment by jeff
2018-05-08 16:26:55

Juno Beach

I don’t know Juno?

Comment by BlueSkye
2018-05-08 21:50:50

No. Ju?

 
 
 
Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2018-05-08 09:35:23

“The 23-year-old marketing professional from Melbourne says her bank wanted to know how often she ate out, went to the movies and filled up her car with petrol. It doubted she would be able to afford her gym membership with a mortgage - so was she going to the gym? ‘There was a lot of back and forth, there was a lot of them scrutinising my bank statements and questioning single items on there and what they were,’ she says, adding that she did quit the gym.’

The Mortgage$ lender$ application$ checklist$:

1. Condom$ (how many packet$ of x20)
2. Donut$
3. Coffee, ground$ or bean$
4. Lingerie (ultra $exy)
5. Health magazine$

Go HBB gang, add your local area pick$, since all real e$tate is, loco

6.

Mr.Banker$, do you $ell yer client$ info to facebook$?

Comment by In Colorado
2018-05-08 10:41:05

So a snot nosed, fresh out of school “marketing professional” took the plunge and bought a horridly overpriced property in Melbourne, on the no doubt requires over half her take home pay to service (she doesn’t get an MID write off).

So Mr. Banker scrutinized her day to day expenses, probably making sure she has expenses she can cut when interest rates and her monthly nut rise, which is a certainty. She could always take on a second job when that happens, driving for Uber or maybe working the graveyard shift at a convenience store or a supermarket, or perhaps come up with a “side hustle” of her own creation, maybe selling Aboriginal jewelry (made in China) on E-Bay.

Comment by Oxide
2018-05-08 11:58:14

+1. It sounds remarkably like the “openings” strategy used by collections agencies. Oh, you have a gym membership? Perhaps you could cut that. Oh, it was your mother who convinced you to take on the mortgage? Perhaps she could help you out. Oh, you have a car? There places you can take your title for a loan…

It used to be that rising expenses would take away from saving. Now they’re cannibilizing from other basic expenses.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2018-05-08 15:03:23

She did indeed rejoin the gym:

https://www.instagram.com/brooke_thechook/?hl=en

Hopefully her “side hustle” will be working there, although perhaps Mr. Banker had something else in mind entirely. She is an attractive young woman and is flaunting it.

Comment by MGSpiffy
2018-05-08 15:12:18

I’ve seen a lot of ladies like her hanging around certain spots in Bellevue, etc. I think it’s the scent of money in the air that draws them ….

Not judging, just saying some people have options that others don’t…

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Comment by BearCat
2018-05-09 11:07:29

My wife had a friend whose strategy for marrying money was to rent an apartment in a very ritzy place, where she’d be passing by a lot of well to do single guys….IIRC her strategy worked (at least, for her)

 
 
Comment by rms
2018-05-08 17:16:15

I dunno… that caboose looks poised to double in size as soon as some chump says, “I do.”

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Comment by Oxide
2018-05-08 18:37:36

Definite flaunting, perhaps seeking arrangement. Caboose will double and that precious thigh gap will disappear. The only thing keeping her together is her youth, and perhaps a little silicone. By age 40 she’ll be looking into body positivity.

 
Comment by rms
2018-05-08 19:08:39

I used to frequent offices where I’d see young ladies always drinking a heavily flavored coffee or a huge soda pop. And in flyover country there are few healthy examples to emulate.

 
Comment by BlackSwandive
2018-05-08 20:46:29

LOL @ oxide. You’re hilarious.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2018-05-09 06:52:15

I can understand how any person would want to present his or her most desirable self on social media. But that’s an awful lot of posed shots of her hips and “caboose,” as others are putting it.

 
 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-05-09 06:46:32

Lotta woman there! Great eye candy, but I never would go near anyone so wrapped up in self-imaging.

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Comment by Oxide
2018-05-08 10:43:24

The worst part is that she went ahead with the mortgage anyway. Didn’t we used to comment that “if a $15 gym membership is enough to break the bank, you shouldn’t be buying a house.” ?

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-05-08 10:46:51

Donk,

When it comes to signing up subprime borrowers, everything is on the table.

Comment by OneAgainstMany
2018-05-08 16:20:44

I hope it’s a nice gym. I pay $20 a month for a really nice one that has basketball court, lap pool, free weights, good set of machines, up-to-date cardio machines, and indoor track.

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Comment by rms
2018-05-08 18:14:42

From the comments: “This article should signal a huge red flag to anyone, especially the younger generation, unless you inherit stay out of the mortgage game. It’s just not worth it and big banks want you in debt so they profit and have you under control for the next 40 years.”

+1 Don’t do it.

Comment by goedeck
2018-05-09 07:15:23

Thanks, Mom, for the sign-off.

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-05-09 07:31:36

Realtors are liars.

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Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2018-05-08 09:49:18

New kid on the Richmond Fed Di$trict block,

“Economi$ts in$ide and out$ide the Fed are pondering why wage growth remains so low even though the unemployment rate has fallen to a 17-year low”

“Barkin explained that wage$ remain low because corporate manager$ are loath to rai$e them, and worker$ haven’t forced the i$$ue by quitting to find better pay.”

My$tery $olved!

Here is the new Richmond Fed president’s take on the mystery of paltry wage growth

By Greg Robb
Published: May 8, 2018 marketwatch

Comment by In Colorado
2018-05-08 10:30:00

From what I have observed, outside of hot employment locales, like the Bay Area, employers will wait patiently, often for 6 months or longer, to find that perfect match who will accept a lowball offer.

Temp work seems to be the in thing now too. I am constantly bombarded by recruiters trying to fill 6-12 month gigs, and yes, the pay is also low, with no paid time off nor bennies, and in many cases they want you to relocate, on your own dime too.

Comment by cactus
2018-05-08 11:20:03

Guy I work with wanted to find a new job after RSU vesting time, which is now, So far all low pay and requiring high skills.

I guess he’ll stay and put up with the day to day.

Comment by In Colorado
2018-05-08 11:54:45

It really puts to bed the canard that there’s no one to hire if you can offer low ball wages and still fill a req that has a “must have” skill list as long as your arm.

Probably a prelude to asking for more H1-B visas.

The thing that gets me is that they will be super picky, yet lay off the new hire after a couple of years, especially at smaller firms.

I recall one place I was at. I was approaching the 3 year mark when I realized that perhaps 80% of the people who worked there when I started were gone, either fired (to avoid them collecting unemployment and raising the firm’s unemployment insurance costs) or they quit. I bailed out before reaching the third anniversary, as I could see the handwriting on the wall.

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Comment by Oxide
2018-05-08 12:02:27

I remember the outcry when Yahoo’s insurance covered egg freezing. The message was clear: no mothers need apply. No age 35+ women need apply.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2018-05-08 12:13:08

It is a very pricey benefit and from what I’ve read it’s of dubious value as very few thawed eggs are good.

I suspect that the few employers who offer this benefit are virtue signalling. I also wonder what happens should the employee leave. Will the now former employee foot the bill to preserve the eggs in cryo or will they simply let them go?

 
 
 
Comment by MGSpiffy
2018-05-08 16:56:58

I’ve been fortunate enough to regularly get well paying gigs.. but.. there’s an elephant in the room no one seems to want to acknowledge.

The 30-year mortgage, and a LOT of other structures and expectations in our society are built on the idea that a person will have a career and income arc in their lives that fits a specific model - mostly the post-WWII idea of working your way slowly up through one company or origination over a very long period of time. A safe an secure future path if you will.

In Tech, it is super unusual for someone to stay anywhere for a long time. 30 years at one company for the duration of a mortgage? how many companies even last that long?

In my life, I’ve had exactly one job that lasted just shy of 10 years. All the rest? 3 years max. With some periods of inconstancy and down-time in between.

I took all of that into account when making the decision to buy recently, and it was only the near-future upsides, the way we’re shooting to live well below our means going forward, and the local density of work that helped tipped it in favor of doing it.

I don’t get why a lot of lenders (not all, as I found out) make the yes/no call based on 1) exactly where you are right-now economically, and 2) only look at how you’ve done for the past 24-48 months. From that they extrapolate that’s how it will always be for you.

hahahaha no, wait a minute.. hahahah

* Deep Breath *

They only need enough time to sell the mortgage to someone else and after that they don’t care about you ever again. The snapshot of how you are at this exact moment is enough to propagate the fiction and ABC (Always be Closing)

I know people who took tech jobs in non-hotspot places like outside MESA AZ, bought a house, then got screwed when the company went out of business and there was nothing comparable locally.

Comment by Neuromance
2018-05-08 17:39:38

MGSpiffy: I don’t get why a lot of lenders (not all, as I found out) make the yes/no call based on 1) exactly where you are right-now economically, and 2) only look at how you’ve done for the past 24-48 months. From that they extrapolate that’s how it will always be for you.

The government and central bank have agreed to socialize debt’s repayment risk. Either directly, as in the GSE’s mortgage backed securities, or indirectly, by their demonstrated unwillingness to let a variety of financial companies fail. Or even not turn a profit.

There are those who are called “free market fundamentalists.” People who believe the market is always right, almost by definition. Then there is another another class, the “debt fetishits.” At some point, someone in academia made an observation or conjecture that more debt must mean more growth and prosperity. That is then extrapolated to “all debt is good and more debt is better.” By fetishing debt - a simple soundbite/concept - we get what we have today, worldwide.

The old saw is “global net debt is zero.” But that doesn’t take into account central bank printing. Huge central bank balance sheets take a lot of printing to maintain.

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Comment by BearCat
2018-05-09 11:10:47

But you’re not supposed to stay there for 30 years, you need to stay on the “property ladder” and trade up every 5 years, right?

The “property ladder” is another idea that I think will be disappearing.

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Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-05-08 11:23:53

The Fed would like you to believe wages will triple or quadruple to meet grossly inflated prices of housing.

Do you believe them? Of course not. Nobody does.

Housing prices will continue falling to dramatically lower and more affordable levels meeting wages.

Rancho Cordova, CA Housing Prices Crater 8% YOY As Housing Confidence Plummets In Sacramento County

https://www.zillow.com/rancho-cordova-ca/home-values/

https://snag.gy/m5EzRB.jpg

Comment by Neuromance
2018-05-08 17:05:54

Mafia Blocks:: The Fed would like you to believe wages will triple or quadruple to meet grossly inflated prices of housing.

Do you believe them? Of course not. Nobody does.

This brings up an interesting point. There is debate (at least in some circles) on the most basic measure of social welfare - median real income. I mean, if this can’t be identified in a reliable way, there must really be a house of cards on some of the other data on which economic policy is built.

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The average American is much better off now than four decades ago
Estimates of income growth vary greatly depending on methodology

JUST how bad have the past four decades been for ordinary Americans? One much-cited figure suggests they have been pretty bad. The Census Bureau estimates that for the median household, halfway along the distribution, income has barely grown in real terms since 1979. But a recent report by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), a non-partisan think-tank, gives a cheerier rise of 51% for median household income between 1979 and 2014. Which is nearer to reality?

The gap between the two is accounted for by three methodological differences (see chart).

First, the CBO takes demography into account.

The second is that the CBO uses the personal-consumption expenditures (PCE) index to measure inflation, whereas the Census Bureau uses the consumer-price index (CPI)

In 2000 the Federal Reserve’s rate-setting body switched from the CPI to the PCE index for its inflation targe

The third difference is that the Census Bureau uses pre-tax incomes, whereas the CBO takes taxes and transfers, such as government-funded health insurance, into account.

https://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21739662-estimates-income-growth-vary-greatly-depending-methodology-average
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The reality exists independently of the observer. Petulant and racist backwater types, and their kids, who are doing just fine are driving the rise of populism and nationalism in one narrative. On the other, the death rate for whites has unexpectedly risen, pointing to a more tangible malaise.

“The first principle is that you must not fool yourself—and you are the easiest person to fool.” — Richard Feynman

I wonder how much pressure there is to hit preconceived numbers in these policy-making bodies.

 
 
 
Comment by tresho
2018-05-08 10:11:39

According to what many employers say, the only applicants for their jobs are monkeys. So all they will pay them is — peanuts.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-05-08 10:12:55

‘There are currently 49,130 empty flats in Kuwait and 26,466 others under construction; thus more than 75,000 units need to be ‘absorbed’ by the domestic property market…As to ownership flats, transactions exceeded 1,000 in 2007 and 2008. Following the global economic crisis, they ebbed by 2012. However, the market recovered, with 973 transactions in 2015, but dropped to 671 in 2017′

Jeebus, that’s worse than Miami Beach.

Comment by 2banana
2018-05-08 10:51:52

I have been to Kuwait many times.

One ugly country with nothing redeeming about it.

Terrible place to live and own a place.

And so feaking hot in the 4 months of summer…

Comment by In Colorado
2018-05-08 12:17:26

And so feaking hot in the 4 months of summer…

Doesn’t stop people from moving to Phoenix or Las Vegas :-)

Comment by BlackSwandive
2018-05-08 20:53:52

They used to move to those places because of dirt cheap housing. You could buy a big 4 bedroom house in west Phoenix for $60,000. That’s gone, so now there’s almost no reason to be in that blast furnace.

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Comment by bobby mac
2018-05-08 11:53:39

75000 / 671 = ~112 years? Am i reading that right?!

 
 
Comment by tresho
2018-05-08 10:14:47

Akron, OH - New program would manage, monitor and levy fines on city’s empty commercial, industrial buildings
City Council is considering legislation that would create a Vacant Building Registration Program for Akron’s empty buildings.
Under the plan, owners of empty commercial or industrial buildings would be required to register with the city and submit a plan on renovating, selling or demolishing the structures within a year. Building owners would also be required to keep the properties lit and secure…building owners not in compliance with the city’s safety regulations would face fines, prosecution and ultimately demolition of their buildings. Funds collected through registration and fines would help maintain the program and cover the cost of building demolition, which the city would recoup from the property owners.

Comment by Carl Morris
2018-05-08 10:37:13

It just occurred to me that none of this would be necessary if interest rates were at a natural level. Nobody would want to have money locked up in real estate that could be making them more money somewhere else. And definitely nobody with a mortage at 8+% would want a house they owed money on just sitting empty on a tiny hope that it might appreciate at some point in the future. Get it rented or get it sold!

Comment by tresho
2018-05-08 10:41:27

Nobody would want to have money locked up
I don’t know about your conclusion. I see vast amounts of wealth locked up all over the world, doing little or nothing. See the empty new cities of China, for example.

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-05-08 10:44:32

That’s called debt my friend…. debt.

Monterey, CA Housing Prices Crater 20% YOY As Business Confidence Plummets

https://www.movoto.com/monterey-ca/market-trends/

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Comment by Carl Morris
2018-05-08 10:46:04

My point is that they are not earning enough interest on that money in other ways. If they were, they wouldn’t do that.

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Comment by OneAgainstMany
2018-05-08 16:24:31

I tend to think the same. I like the approach the city is taking here. I prefer to raise the carrying cost of the asset by increasing property taxes.

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Comment by MGSpiffy
2018-05-08 15:14:26

Let’s see… non building over voters vastly outnumber building owning sheep.. er.. voters…

“All in favor of taxing them? Approved!”

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-05-08 10:24:48

‘We’ve now witnessed three consecutive falls in the quarterly figures, the amount of new consumer borrowing quite literally collapsed in March in an ominous sign of tightening purse strings, home sales are at a two-year low and the number of new instructions has fallen for the 25th month in a row’

Hottest market on the planet at one time.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-05-08 10:36:01

‘landlord Elena Tsapatolis said she recently returned two furnished apartments to the long-term market because the bottom had fallen out of the short-term industry. She said, at its peak, one of her apartments was returning $4000 per month, but had recently dropped to only $1500.’

‘Ms Tsapatolis said an over-supply of short-term rentals in recent years had led to a price war, which had now made long-term rental more attractive…He said short-stays in the past were occupied 95 per cent of the time, but this figure had recently falled to 30 per cent. He said one landlord recently returning his property to long-term renting reported just 10 per cent occupancy. ‘When you throw in the other costs like cleaning, they are better off renting to people who want to stay longer’

Imagine what’s going to happen to airbnb investors when this gets out.

Comment by Carl Morris
2018-05-08 10:44:54

Just moved out of my last Airbnb for the forseeable future last night and signed a lease about an hour ago. She did talk to me a couple more times but that was all :-). She was however, obviously quite interested in finding a long term renter preferable at the short term rate she’s grown accustomed to.

I’ve noticed a pattern with those who rent the higher end “you have your own entrance and bathroom” rentals. They charge the premium rates associated with a nicer rental but also don’t have any intention of providing what the cheaper rentals do such as easy access to laundry facilities. And seem surprised that someone thinking about a long term stay in an expensive room might find that important?!?!? They want to rent the room and make the money but insulate themselves from the guest. Which is fine…but then the guest needs even more stuff inside their area to even think about staying long term. And most of those isolated master bedrooms and mother in law suites do not have their own laundry.

Comment by In Colorado
2018-05-08 12:04:05

Heard an interesting story from the Santa Clara campus.

So there was this dude who lived in Prague, a very “walk on water” kind of engineer. So he wants to be transferred to the bay area and he gets his wish and with it a paycheck that was about triple his Prague paycheck.

To make a long story short, after just two years he asks to be sent back to Prague, even though that means he can kiss the big paycheck goodbye.

Why did he do this? Apparently, even with a bay aryan paycheck well into the mid 100’s he couldn’t afford anything, and complained that every other month they were raising the rent on his tiny apartment.

I’m guessing that he also couldn’t stand the soulless life in the bay area.

Comment by rms
2018-05-08 13:39:00

“I’m guessing that he also couldn’t stand the soulless life in the bay area.”

There’s plenty to do in the Bay Area… but not if you’re busy working.

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Comment by In Colorado
2018-05-08 15:05:12

Maybe in key locations in San Francisco, but Silicon Valley is a giant strip mall.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2018-05-08 15:23:02

Maybe in key locations in San Francisco, but Silicon Valley is a giant strip mall.

I can see both sides of that. But your statement made me think of the opening scene in Office Space as Michael Bolton is trying to drive from Morningwood apartments to work and gets passed by the old guy with the walker on the sidewalk :-).

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2018-05-08 13:57:29

Prague vs SF.

Culture? Quality of Life? Affordability?

Not even CLOSE.

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Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-05-09 06:52:42

You’re saying SF is much better, I take it?

 
 
Comment by MGSpiffy
2018-05-08 15:06:55

Perhaps he discovered that Silicon Valley was a documentary and not a comedy…

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Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-05-09 06:51:09

I have a musician friend in San Diego who is eyeing retirement in the Czech Republic (his home country) for affordability reasons.

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Comment by MGSpiffy
2018-05-08 17:05:30

Like anything else that seems like easy money… once word gets out, everyone wants to rush in.

I’ve found myself wondering about it quite a bit. I totally get that there are a TON of short-term rentals along the Galveston Coast which is a big vacation spot, but why are there so many in the regular neighborhoods of so many ordinary cities? Who goes to the latter places? There can’t be that many nearby conventions, get-togethers and events to fill them all short term.

I think for a lot of people with ADUs or MILs, it’s a case of “why not list it? we’re not really using it anyway - let get some upside”

But that only works when Supply <= demand. Once past that point, things only go down.

Here in Seattle, and I’m sure other places under pressure, they are being touted as the next big thing(tm) and a way to make good side-hustle bank. but not everyone wants to, or even can, live long term in a dwelling situation that small and/or limited.

I’m thinking were seeing people come to that realization as many places are getting over-supplied, and they’re trying to cope or what not. For short-term to long term rental, I think the term “wishing price” comes to mind, and it’s going to be a standoff. We’ll see who is underwater when the tide rolls out.

Comment by In Colorado
2018-05-08 20:43:39

but why are there so many in the regular neighborhoods of so many ordinary cities

Those ordinary cities have hotels, so someone wants to go there. An AirBnb can cost quite a bit less. That said, who knows what the occupancy rate is, probably low.

Comment by OneAgainstMany
2018-05-09 08:06:29

We are kind of a destination city and so we have lots of hotels and AirBnB listings. But the recent innovation has been these townhouses and row houses that are zoned for short-term vacation rentals. The developers love putting these up because they charge $100k to $150k over the going rate for a comparable residential dwelling. I’m not sure if anyone is keeping tabs on these, but I get the sense that there is going to be a massive bubble in these short-term, nightly dwellings. On the plus side, it might be really cheap to take a vacation in the coming years.

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Comment by BearCat
2018-05-09 11:13:13

Maybe another form of Condotels?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-05-08 10:40:53

Aurora, CO 80014 Rental Rates Crater 12% As Denver Area Housing Bust Emerges

https://www.zillow.com/aurora-co-80014/home-values/

*Select price from dropdown menu on rental chart

 
Comment by Langley guy
2018-05-08 12:07:41

Love it.. I’m positive Calgary home owners are delighted there are so many houses for sale in case they want another one…

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-05-08 12:18:57

‘The decline was led by single-family homes, down 23.83 percent, followed by semi-detached homes at –23.53 percent, attached homes down 18.12 percent, row/townhomes at -13.12 percent and apartments, down 7.42 percent.’

‘Conversely, inventory rose to 7,324 homes in April, a 33 percent increase from April 2017′

And 2017 was the second or third year of getting hammered. I recently posted a report saying they had kept building all along. Oops!

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2018-05-08 12:08:54

DJIA = 24,300 and HODLing

 
Comment by b
2018-05-08 12:25:36

http://fortune.com/2018/05/07/california-solar-mandate/

This is super interesting to me. There power utilities have a lot of pension costs coming up.

If folks dont need as much power - does the Cali state govt have to bail them out - eventhough they have the same pension issue

Comment by ibbots
2018-05-08 13:54:23

Private sector defined benefit pension plans that fail are covered by the PBGC. The PBGC doesn’t cover state or muni pensions, that is left up to the states. Not sure how many of these utilities have defined benefit plans, most everyone has gone to defined contribution plans.

Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-05-09 06:55:32

PBGC takeover = pennies on the dollar retirement checks to beneficiaries compared to benefit promises

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2018-05-08 13:55:07

A bailout here, a bailout there, before you know it, you run out of other people’s money to spend.

 
Comment by ibbots
2018-05-08 14:03:23

According to the table in this pdf, as of 2015, there are only 8,715 db plans with more than 100 participants (table E3, page 4). That isn’t very many, most likely fire, police, etc.

Meanwhile there are over 36k db plans with fewer than 100 participants. I bet these are mostly drs, lawyers, IT consults, other professionals with substantial income. Too bad they don’t break it out by SIC code.

https://www.dol.gov/sites/default/files/ebsa/researchers/statistics/retirement-bulletins/private-pension-plan-bulletin-historical-tables-and-graphs.pdf

 
Comment by trader jack
2018-05-08 14:04:43

Any one who believes that the program will save money for the homeowner needs to consider who will be able to replace the system if and when it fails.
Putting $25,000 dollars into the home mortgage for something that you do not meet is a way to raise the prices of the home, increase the money to the real estate industry, an force people into homelessness when they can not buy a home as the prices are too high.
California is a land of many climates , from desert, to artic, and to think that the all should have solar energy is strange, but, hey, the government is never wrong.
I used to rule on whether or not a solar system could meet our standards, and found out, when I checked with the manufacturer , that they standards were based upon the studies done in Yuma, Arizona, and they used those standards to claim that they would work in the bottom of a canyon, surrounded by redwood trees

And the home owners were irate that I would not approve the installation of the gear.

Comment by BlueSkye
2018-05-08 18:48:56

Actually I wonder if Redwoods grow at the bottom of deep canyons. I naively thought they thrived on ridges where they could absorb the mist from off shore breezes.

PV arrays are a hyper consumerism magical thinking thing. How strange to have such waste mandated for everyone. It would be ironic if their rules actually saved wooded valleys from being destroyed by them.

 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2018-05-09 06:51:08

It seems to me it is meant to take the place of the leasing, with interest rates rising the solar companies cannot afford to offer those. With a 5 percent mortgage rate, I think many of the systems will not produce enough electricity to cover the interest payments never mind trying to pay back the principal. I see it as just another way to hide a subsidy for a technology that is getting close to being market competitive but is not there yet. Thus, the reason developing nations continue to build coal plants unless someone is willing to fund a solar or wind plant. They were looking for us to build them with the electricity plants supplying the manufacturing plants stealing our jobs. We were actually willing to do it until Trump pulled us out of the Paris accords. Taxpayers and US blue collar workers won big on that one.

 
 
 
Comment by Marie
2018-05-08 13:05:10

I don’t know what the situation is, but It’s so depressing to see everything so expensive…(not just housing)

People have talking about a bust for years, yet the economy seems to be booming.

I don’t have any debt at all. we don’t want to buy a house, car, clothing, or go to restaurants… at these prices… so to enjoy life at early 30s we’d to move out of this rat race country (USA)

Comment by OneAgainstMany
2018-05-08 16:34:14

don’t have any debt at all. we don’t want to buy a house, car, clothing, or go to restaurants… at these prices

Well said. It’s not that we can’t afford to buy things, it’s that we think that prices are fundamentally out of whack. I was at an indoor play area with my little boy yesterday talking to a mother of two playing with my son. They are at the stage of their life where they are interested in buying, but they are absolutely not interested in paying the ridiculous housing prices that things are being listed for. So they, like us, are content renting, even though the rents have been going up. We are considering moving somewhere less “in-demand” like in fly-over just because cost of living is so much less, which really means housing is so much less since that is the greatest component of cost of living.

Comment by Marie
2018-05-08 17:54:17

“We are considering moving somewhere less “in-demand” like in fly-over just because cost of living is so much less”

We’ve thought about that… but for now we’re staying CA.

a) we have a deal on a rental 2bed 1bd house…(somewhere rural) for 1/2 the price of a apt in anywhere in bay Area.
b) we have a 1 year old (so gran parents are enjoying the grand kid)

I stay at home with our baby. My husband actually has to commute 120 miles a day round trip to Santa Clara for 4 days a week. Drives a 2006 honda civic with 190K miles (he just did a tune up for $50 bucks himself) in the driveway…

We’re NOT dumb/broke millennial s, we just don’t want debt, no car pmts, no overprice house, no credit debt. We have our money in CDs and Index funds + we max the Roth IRA and 401K. So we have the money to buy….

Thanks to frugal living and anti-consumerism. Packing lunches and eating healthy at home is the norm, except Sundays we eat out. So, Thanks but No thanks… keep your expensive POS shack biatcsh (that’s for the real estate industry) :)

P.S. we know some younger peeps that got lucky and bought in 2012/early 2013… yeah got monies from parents ;P

Comment by rms
2018-05-08 19:13:31

“I stay at home with our baby. My husband actually has to commute 120 miles a day round trip to Santa Clara for 4 days a week. Drives a 2006 honda civic with 190K miles (he just did a tune up for $50 bucks himself) in the driveway…”

Wow… I hope [you] initiate once in awhile.

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Comment by rms
2018-05-08 17:22:47

“I don’t know what the situation is, but It’s so depressing to see everything so expensive…(not just housing)”

Good to see women with some insight.

Comment by Parker
2018-05-08 22:25:24

It’s not especially unusual, if that’s what you’re suggesting.

 
 
Comment by BlueSkye
2018-05-08 18:53:41

this rat race…

If you can’t avoid that in the USA, it will probably go with you when you leave.

 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-05-09 06:59:34

You’re competing with debt donkeys and profligate gamblers. Good luck!

 
 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-05-08 14:56:05

Pasadena, CA Housing Prices Crater 7% YOY On Plunging Confidence

https://www.movoto.com/pasadena-ca/market-trends/

 
Comment by Longtime Lurker
2018-05-08 15:07:17

Maybe some of you can help me with the math here. On my block in LA, there’s a 1930s duplex that was recently redone with high end finishes. The owners put the top unit up for rent at $6500/month and found a renter. The bottom unit was up for $6000 (street parking only), but no takers for 3 months. Then they sold the building, apparently for $2.4 million cash. Now the bottom unit is back up for rent, still at $6000. It’s been empty for at least 5 months. There are two other similar units also up for rent on the same block, both without takers for 4-5 months. What is the lowest the investors can rent the bottom unit for before the return is so low they would have been better off putting their cash in an index fund and calling it a day?

Comment by BlueSkye
2018-05-08 15:24:44

That’s easy.

What will the building be worth in five years?

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2018-05-08 15:26:43

I wonder if the whole key to everything you’re seeing was to get that one renter in there at $6500 to set the theoretical value of the future income stream from both apartments and then sell it as quickly as possible based on that?

No idea what the new owner is thinking. Perhaps “I’m screwed”.

Comment by Longtime Lurker
2018-05-08 15:44:37

That makes sense for the seller, but why on earth did the new buyer buy if the building already wasn’t cash flowing? That’s what I can’t figure out.

Comment by 2banana
2018-05-08 16:30:36

Sweet appreciation…

And his retirement

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Comment by BlueSkye
2018-05-08 16:34:26

Maybe the seller misled him about why the downstairs was empty. In any case the only reason to buy is the appreciation.

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Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-05-08 16:18:26

Mukilteo,WA Housing Prices Crater 15% YOY As Seattle Area Housing Correction Advances

https://www.movoto.com/mukilteo-wa/market-trends/

 
Comment by Lurker
2018-05-08 17:30:36

Weekly Summary: HBB-Reported Purchase Price Declines
Posted every Tuesday. Key and quarterly summary posted the last day of the quarter.

May 2 - 8

> -25% [Toronto / PCS] (2017-2018)
> -19% [Toronto - Richmond Hill / PCS] (Feb17-Nov17)
> -18% Toronto / PCS] (May18
> -17% [Manhattan / PCS DEV LUX] (2016-May18)
> -15% [Toronto - Richmond Hill / PCS] (May18)
> -16% Manhattan / AVG PCS (May18)
> -12.4% Greater Toronto / AVG (yoy -Apr18)
> -12% Canada - Prince Albert / MED SP (yoy -Apr18)
> -9% Manhattan / AVG PCS LUX (May18)
> -8.9% Toronto sub - Hamilton-Burlington / AVG SP (yoy -Apr18)
> -5.4% San Antonio / MED LP (yoy -Mar18)
> -3.4% Austin / MED LP (yoy -Mar18)
> -3.1% UK (mom -Apr18)
> -1.4% Honolulu / MED LP (yoy -Mar18)

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-05-08 17:40:21

From above:

‘Areas like Bedok and Woodlands exemplified this decline, experiencing the most significant declines with resale prices down 27 per cent and 25 per cent from 2014 through 2017, respectively’

 
Comment by Parker
2018-05-08 22:29:39

Wow, San Antonio and Austin made the list, eh? I’m still waiting for the news to report anything but equity, glorious equity.

 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2018-05-08 17:55:41

One of the problems with a cashless society - there is a middleman in all of your purchases. And of course, cashless only works as long as the power grid is up - see Puerto Rico post-hurricane.

In the article below, payment processors are considering restricting gun transactions. Now, while I support reasonable gun control, what happens when the PTB decide this restriction is required on an issue I don’t support?

Banks, Credit-Card Companies Explore Ways to Monitor Gun Purchases
The discussions are preliminary, but the move could be a prelude to restricting such transactions
By Anna Maria Andriotis, Telis Demos, and Emily Glazer
April 30, 2018
Wall Street Journal

Banks and credit-card companies are discussing ways to identify purchases of guns in their payment systems, a move that could be a prelude to restricting such transactions, according to people familiar with the talks.

The financial companies have explored creating a new credit-card code for firearms dealers, similar to how they code restaurants or department stores, according to people familiar with the matter. Another idea would require merchants to share information about specific firearm products consumers are buying, some of the people said.

Such data could allow banks to restrict purchases at certain businesses or monitor them.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/banks-card-companies-explore-ways-to-monitor-gun-purchases-1525080600

Comment by BlueSkye
2018-05-08 18:32:30

For a long time America was very special, having rejected the Divine Right of the Elite to govern and consume the common people. We used force because we were serious and the Elite would not release us otherwise. We need to be alert and remain serious.

Our government is charged with minting our money, not removing it from us.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2018-05-09 09:18:28

I think there are already enough guns in private hands to preserve freedom for a long time. To change that would require confiscation, which I still don’t think will work anytime soon.

It’s the ammunition that will get tricky if they can control all purchases.

Comment by In Colorado
2018-05-09 12:19:12

Sounds like an opportunity for a cottage industry. Small shops that make ammo and sell it on a cash only basis.

Comment by Carl Morris
2018-05-09 13:25:49

Primers are the ingredient that can’t easily be made from scratch. The prediction is that those will be the tightly controlled item on the parts list.

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Comment by Apartment 401
2018-05-08 18:09:42

The Bay Area is so expensive divorced parents can’t afford to live separately:

https://www.sfgate.com/mommyfiles/article/live-in-divorce-San-Francisco-separation-cost-12770531.php

Don’t be a betabux. Just don’t.

Comment by MGSpiffy
2018-05-08 19:37:04

Interesting couple in the article. They threw in the towel at the 7 year mark, and have been living together for 6 more years. And they never actually started the divorce process.

“We haven’t even bothered with divorce papers,” he said. “Why waste the money? …”

Except that in California, after 10 years married, the prospect of lifetime Alimony comes into play. Someone’s in for a surprise when the kid leaves in a few years… actually it could be her.. she’s an attorney and he’s a writer; my money is on her income being bigger.

And the video further down… $926K for 714 sq ft… ouch. that’s nearly $1300 sq/ft…

 
 
Comment by Apartment 401
2018-05-08 18:28:12

Meanwhile in Denver:

‘My dad’s the mayor, I’m about to get you fired you f***ing b****h’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5706835/Mayor-Denvers-22-year-old-son-curses-berates-officer-pulled-speeding.html

8 years of Obama, and this is what happens.

#Forward

Comment by Parker
2018-05-08 22:37:03

I think it’s more like 22 years of testosterone and entitlement. Young men at that age aren’t known for their discretion or humility. The Kennedy’s rode that same wave though all kinds of legal and moral issues and it had nothing to do with Obama.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2018-05-09 07:08:17

I would still like to know how many BLM meetings he has attended. You combine belligerent attitudes and sudden movements, you get tragedies. How is an officer to know when someone is going to escalate? Even when I was that age, I knew to cooperate with the officer often that led to warnings. Even if it did not, officers are far less Likely to show up a ticket hearings if you do not incentivize them by being an idiot

Comment by In Colorado
2018-05-09 12:16:46

I mentioned a few weeks ago about an incident I witnessed in Seaport Village in San Diego. In a deli there a young black woman was going berserk, screaming at people to not touch her.

This happened as I we walked in. Everyone else already in there had a WTF look on their faces. And this woman would not shut up. She threatened to call the cops, etc. She was effing nuts, you’d think Harvey Weinstein had been groping her or something. The cashier tried to soothe her but she wasn’t having it. She just kept screaming.

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Comment by rms
2018-05-09 16:45:08

Back in my repo days when I couldn’t find the vehicle I’d start knocking on doors. It seems my presence once I identified myself would have a “trigger-effect” on some individuals causing them to melt-down into a near-seizure episode. You couldn’t talk to them… too far gone. I believe that there’s an above normal occurrence of serious (dangerous?) mental illness in the ghetto.

 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2018-05-09 07:16:00

I think YMMV.

It does occur to me that the Democrat party is pivoting and hard towards POC, and Junior probably understands that. Add some hubris and a bit of stupidity (the cop telling him he was in Aurora and not Denver was priceless) and you get an incident like this one.

He seemed very contrite when he paid his fine, no doubt after dad read him the riot act. That could have cost him a position in future President Running Deer’s cabinet.

 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-05-09 07:23:04

Everything bad that happens is Obama’s fault, even though he’s been out of office for years.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2018-05-09 07:36:50

He had been out of office less than two years, he blamed the weak recovery on Bush during his entire administration so it hard to feel sympathy for him. Particularly, when he is trying to claim credit for the acceleration of the economy under Trump. Somehow over trillion dollar deficits under him only resulted in 1.5 percent growth but 600 billion deficits under Trump lead to almost 3 percent growth.

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