June 8, 2018

This Overbuilt Mess Will Collapse Like Yesterday’s Carnival

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “‘For Sale’ signs will soon be a thing of the past on homes in New Canaan, Connecticut. A six-month trial ban starts July 1, meaning those signs you see in front of houses will have to be taken down. ‘The amount of them is giving buyers an idea that this entire town is for sale,’ said resident Shawn Gardner.”

“These are tricky times for Manhattan condominium developers. Since the heady boom times of 2014 and 2015, New York City’s residential condo market has undoubtedly found itself in a state of correction. It all started rearing its head around 2016, when an unexpected and unprecedented presidential election triggered macroeconomic uncertainty and concerns about a supply glut in condo inventory began to take hold.”

“Jonathan Miller, CEO of Miller Samuel, attributed the slowdown to a ’sheer heavy volume of [luxury condo] units coming to market’ that has caused a ’slow buildup of inventory,’ as well as economic factors like a stronger dollar that has weakened interest among foreign buyers. ‘The billionaire or super-luxury market was not as wide and deep as everyone thought,’ Miller said.”

“Colorado voters will not have the chance to decide in November whether or not to limit residential growth along the Front Range, as the author of a proposed ordinance to do just said he will not try to collect signatures to get his proposal on the statewide ballot. ‘I think a recession is just around the corner, and this overbuilt mess we have will collapse like yesterday’s carnival,’ said Golden activist Daniel Hayes.”

“Warriors center Zaza Pachulia recently sold his penthouse at the Carroll Walk condo building on Bay Harbor Islands for $1.13 million – 14 years after he bought it for $1.33 million, according to real estate records. It was listed originally for $1.5 million in 2014 and it steadily decreased since. The buyer was a shell company based in Panama.”

“More people in Saskatchewan are continuing to fall behind on their mortgage payments, and recent numbers show the trend is climbing. The latest report from the Canadian Bankers Association says Saskatchewan leads the country in residential mortgages in arrears at 0.78 per cent. That’s approximately one in every 130 mortgages. It’s the highest level seen in the province since 1992, and more than three times the national average of 0.24 per cent. The percentage in Saskatchewan has more than doubled since 2014.”

“The sale price of homes is also on the downswing. The year-to-date average sale price in Saskatoon was $334,449, a 4 per cent decline from the same time last year.”

“Affordability wasn’t written into Dubai’s design brief. The ‘build it and they will come’ mentality saw developers race to fill the desert with glitzy skyscrapers, transforming the fortunes of the city in two short decades. But tightening economic conditions are contributing to a more affordable future for Dubai in all sectors of the real estate market. While prices and rents have fallen across the market, villa properties have seen the biggest drop. Plans are afoot to reboot the market which has fallen 15-20 percent since its peak in 2014.”

“‘The way we’ve been talking about the broadening of the market and the increased focus on affordability is the ‘new normal’ as a greater sense of financial realism enters the market,’ says Craig Plumb, head of research, JLL MENA. ‘Questions remain over oversupply, particularly in the residential and retail sectors and the market has definitely moved in the favor of tenants in recent years.’”

“Letting manager at Knight Frank Gail Cawood, says an increase of rental supply has caused the prices to drop, notably in the Southern Suburbs, Hout Bay and the Atlantic Seaboard. She says there are a number of new developments popping up in places like Claremont and Observatory, and a southern suburbs 2 bedroomed flat that a year ago was R15 000 would now go for about R12 000 a month. Bigger townhouses have dropped from about R32 000 to around R25 000 ‘We are finding a huge drop in the price of rentals, she said.”

“Real estate investors are now the biggest loan defaulters, signalling the more than decade-long property boom is easing. ‘The ratio of the non-performing loans to gross loans increased to 12.4 per cent in April from 11.4 per cent in February 2018 largely due to increased NPLs in the real estate, trade and manufacturing sectors,” Central Bank of Kenya governor Patrick Njoroge said. A dip in prices and the slow uptake of newly-built units have raised fears of renewed pressure on developers, who borrowed to fund for-sale projects as obligations mature. A slow down on growth of private sector credit is also hurting real estate, which heavily relies on bank loans for unit purchases.”

“Le Hoang Chau, chairman of the HCM City Real Estate Association, said that according to property brokers in these areas, sales volume had dropped by around 40 per cent compared to the peak period last month. The land liquidity there has fallen by 60 per cent compared to the previous months. Nguyen Van Trung, a broker in Binh Thanh District, told Viet Nam News: ‘Land prices have increased over the last decade, especially in recent years. Now, many investors have begun to sell at the same time.’”

“New Zealand’s property market has flattened and is likely to stay that way for at least the rest of the year, valuation data provider QV says. Even Wellington, which has had a strong run of price rises, experienced a drop of 1.3 per cent in May, attributable to weakness in Wellington City and less demand for higher-priced properties. CoreLogic head of research Nick Goodall said demand for houses would be reduced by the Healthy Homes Guarantee scheme imposing more requirements on landlords, more focus on dampening speculation in the market and ring-fencing of property investors’ losses.”

“‘All these things keep a lid on demand,’ he said. ‘The value growth witnessed in these centres over the last few years were unlikely to be sustained.’”

“Off-the-plan apartment buyers in Sydney’s west are selling below their purchase price as rising costs, falling prices and, in some areas, oversupply erode market sentiment. Darwin and Perth continue to struggle, says property surveyor Herron Todd White, with mortgagee-in-possession auctions increasing as borrowers default on repayments and lenders take possession and sell the property. Another one-time property price leader, Melbourne, is also beginning to splutter.”

“Apartments purchased off-the-plan four years ago for about $670,000 in popular Parramatta are selling for around $630,000, says Shaun Thomas, residential director of HTW. Dwelling prices have dipped by more than 1 per cent during the past three months and more than 4 per cent since their July 2017 peak. In parts of western Sydney they are down by nearly 7 per cent. ‘Generally the wider market has cooled with transaction numbers falling, selling periods extending and prices declining,’ says Thomas.”

“Brisbane apartments have plunged by about 20 per cent from their peak, according to CoreLogic. ‘Impacts of oversupply have come home to roost,’ says David Notey, an HTW Brisbane director. ‘There is resistance from buyers and they usually only perform at their best when a boom is under way.’”

“Joining a growing list of analysts including AMP Capital, the Commonwealth Bank and Morgan Stanley, Westpac predicts recent declines in Australian capital city house prices will continue for some time to come. ‘When the banks start to adjust their way of giving finance out, it affects everybody,’ said Property expert Robert Klaric. ‘All of a sudden if someone’s buying something for $600,000, there should probably be a good $50,000 to $60,000 cheaper purchase by the end of this year.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-08 08:29:51

‘Joining a growing list of analysts including AMP Capital, the Commonwealth Bank and Morgan Stanley, Westpac predicts recent declines in Australian capital city house prices will continue for some time to come.’

Just in time for a nation-wide schlonging.

Comment by In Colorado
2018-06-08 10:16:56

It certainly does feel like the crash is around the corner. What I wonder is, when that finally happens, will central banks drop rates back to near zero? Or will we finally get to take our medicine?

Of course, if rates continue to climb, sovereign debt could become a big problem.

I also wonder if these small rate increases are meant to cool the bubble temporarily, so that we can then move into Bubble 3.0.

Comment by Carl Morris
2018-06-08 10:25:54

I also wonder if these small rate increases are meant to cool the bubble temporarily, so that we can then move into Bubble 3.0.

You know that’s the plan. Eventually a plan will go horribly wrong but until then it will be an endless cycle of pumping and dumping. And like a slowing top I expect the frequency and severity to increase as we go along until it finally topples over.

Comment by BlackSwandive
2018-06-08 10:28:43

When people can no longer service the debt, it’s over. There’s absolutely no way to keep the charade going when people can no longer make the payments, no matter what the product.

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Comment by In Colorado
2018-06-08 11:00:43

100 year mortgages at near 0%?

A million dollar mortgage could be under $1000 a month.

I know it sounds crazy, but where we are right now was unthinkable not that long ago.

 
Comment by Taxpayers
2018-06-08 16:00:46

Like some European countries

 
 
 
Comment by rms
2018-06-08 11:28:00

“…sovereign debt could become a big problem.”

This is where our big banks are heavily invested… preying on the those struggling emerging economies. Doing god’s work.

 
Comment by BlueSkye
2018-06-08 18:35:24

Pain postponed is pain amplified.

Buckle up.

 
 
Comment by rms
2018-06-08 10:56:04

“Just in time for a nation-wide schlonging.”

Good thing that their beer cans are extra large!

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-08 08:53:33

‘Saskatchewan leads the country in residential mortgages in arrears at 0.78 per cent. That’s approximately one in every 130 mortgages’

This is about where Las Vegas was at the worst of the bust, IIRC. Nothing to report on here New York Times/Washington Post, keep putting out the rah-rah stuff.

Comment by BlackSwandive
2018-06-08 10:31:33

.78% in arrears seems low. I thought Vegas was way over that in the last bust.

Comment by BlackSwandive
2018-06-08 10:33:21

For a comparison - just about 1 in 10 subprime auto loans are currently delinquent by 90 days or more. That’s 10%!

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-08 10:49:25

This is the number I’m referring to:

‘one in every 130 mortgages’

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Comment by In Colorado
2018-06-08 11:03:14

“just about 1 in 10 subprime auto loans are currently delinquent by 90 days or more”

True, but that’s actually the business model, especially of the “buy here, pay here” places: Charge 20% interest, repo the car, sell it again at 20% interest.

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Comment by rms
2018-06-08 11:57:17

My favorite repo flakes were the “first payment defaults.” They might be in Orlando, FL and have family in Los Angeles, CA, and when the time comes to move they go buy a used van from skid row auto at 25%, load it up and leave town in the middle of the night stiffing the landlord too. U-haul is for crackers.

 
Comment by Oxide
2018-06-08 14:45:06

i still wonder if — or how many — how many he-man trucks were stolen in the 2009 bust by guest workers simply self-deporting to Mexico in the shiny new truck.

 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-06-08 15:30:40

Hey Donk

 
 
 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-06-08 11:05:32

With foreclosure moratoriums in effect coast to coast of course it’s low.

 
 
Comment by BlackSwandive
2018-06-08 10:37:00

Yeah, that number is low. Here are the numbers from last fall:

“Las Vegas’ mortgage-delinquency rate is sliding and on par with the national average. But its share of deeply late borrowers is higher than the country’s, a new report shows.

Some 4.6 percent of mortgage holders in the Las Vegas area were at least 30 days late on their payments in July, down from 5.9 percent a year earlier, according to CoreLogic.

The rate nationally also was 4.6 percent in July, down from 5.5 percent a year earlier.

Locally, the “serious delinquency” rate – or share of borrowers at least 90 days late – was 2.5 percent in July, down from 3.6 percent year-over-year.

Nationally, 1.9 percent of mortgages were in serious delinquency in July, down from 2.5 percent a year earlier, CoreLogic reported.

During the last bust, it was way higher.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/housing/las-vegas-mortgage-delinquency-rate-dropping/

 
Comment by BlackSwandive
2018-06-08 10:42:01

Nearly one in five Las Vegans was more than 60 days late on their mortgage in the second quarter, a credit reporting official said Wednesday….Las Vegas showed a delinquency rate of 18.18 percent in the second quarter, down from 18.61 percent in the previous quarter and from 18.89 percent in fourth quarter 2009.

Becker said there are two primary drivers of mortgage delinquency in Las Vegas. One is 14.1 percent unemployment, which means more people are unable to pay their mortgages. The other is 55 percent housing price depreciation, which means more people are unwilling to pay.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/housing/las-vegas-mortgage-delinquency-rate-leveling-off/

Comment by In Colorado
2018-06-08 11:05:01

One thing Vegas has going for it this time around is the business exodus from California.

Comment by BlackSwandive
2018-06-08 13:07:28

It’s never “different this time.” Ever.

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Comment by In Colorado
2018-06-08 15:52:43

When the crash happens Vegas will still get hit, but perhaps not as much as last time. FWIW, the previous crash hit with different intensity in different locales.

 
Comment by Jingle Male
2018-06-09 08:29:48

The housing downturn in 1990-1994 had no effect on Las Vegas…..which is partly why they got caught so badly in 2006-2012.

 
Comment by rms
2018-06-09 09:59:48

“The housing downturn in 1990-1994 had no effect on Las Vegas…”

Las Vegas probably (has/had) very little military industrial technology exposure that was effected by the end of the cold war.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-08 08:55:50

‘Pachulia recently sold his penthouse at the Carroll Walk condo building on Bay Harbor Islands for $1.13 million – 14 years after he bought it for $1.33 million’

This takes out the peaks of 2005 and 2015. Where’s the national media?

Comment by snake charmer
2018-06-08 13:05:01

The national media has its own set of news stories that match approved memes and only accord with reality sometimes.

 
Comment by brazendetre
2018-06-08 13:34:09

And the clincher: “The buyer was a shell company based in Panama.”

I had no idea shells were so lucrative. Nautilus, conch, abalone? Do tell!

My money is on cowries, lol.

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-08 09:00:15

‘Jonathan Mille attributed the slowdown to a ’sheer heavy volume of [luxury condo] units coming to market’. ‘The billionaire or super-luxury market was not as wide and deep as everyone thought’

Ah yes, the ‘billionaire-super-luxury market.’ Remember the New York Times couldn’t blather enough about that a few years ago. Safe deposit boxes in the sky! As it turns out, that was a fantasy, cooked up in a mania to explain all the empty towers. Just like London, Miami, heck all over the world.

Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2018-06-08 09:43:16

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The $ecretive Bilderberg elite are worried about the ‘post-truth’ world

Some of the planet’s most powerful people will take part in the infamously secretive Bilderberg meeting that begins Thursday to discuss their most pressing concerns

Political leaders and experts from industry, finance, academia and the media will take part in the annual conference.

The key topics for discussion at this year’s meeting were published by its organizers Wednesday, giving an insight into what are deemed the most pressing issues in global affairs:

1. Populism in Europe
2. The inequality challenge
3. The future of work
4. Artificial intelligence
5. The U.S. before midterms
6. Free trade
7. U.S. world leadership
8. Russia
9. Quantum computing
10. Saudi Arabia and Iran
11. The “post-truth” world
12. Current events

Holly Ellyatt | Published 8:19 AM ET Wed, 6 June 2018 CNBC

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-08 10:22:46

‘President Kennedy fired the Deep State’s godfather in 1961, after the Bay of Pigs calamity and Dulles’s never-acknowledged support for a failed coup against de Gaulle (believe it, the French president). Taking this to the ultimate, Talbot, who founded Salon 20-odd years ago, makes a persuasive case that Dulles retreated to Georgetown, gathered his loyalists, and probably architected JFK’s assassination two years later. Talbot’s book does not include this incident, but I have it from a former spook of great integrity, now noted for blowing whistles: A few years into Barack Obama’s presidency supporters asked at a fundraiser, “Where’s our progressive foreign policy, Mr. President?” Obama’s reply: “Do you want me to end up another JFK?”

‘Obama has abandoned progressive principles, such as stopping drone attacks and shutting down Guantanamo, because he is afraid of being assassinated, telling friends, “Don’t you remember what happened to Martin Luther King Jr.?” retired CIA analyst Ray McGovern said today.’

“He’s afraid of what happened to Martin Luther King Jr. And I know from a good friend who was there when it happened, that at a small dinner with progressive supporters – after these progressive supporters were banging on Obama before the election, Why don’t you do the things we thought you stood for? Obama turned sharply and said, “Don’t you remember what happened to Martin Luther King Jr.?” That’s a quote, and that’s a very revealing quote.”

‘McGovern spoke on WBAI’s show Law and Disorder this morning. He was talking about his recent article calling Obama “a wuss” and speculated that Obama had also placed John Brennan as head of the CIA out of fear that the CIA might turn on him, as it had on John Kennedy.’

“I’m pretty convinced the President of the United States is afraid of the CIA. That’s why he got John Brennan in place. He thinks John Brennan owes more personal loyalty to him than all those other thugs out there who did the torture and so forth. That’s a questionable thing. But Obama thinks that. And that’s why he fought so hard so that Brennan would be in place.”

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-08 11:09:22

‘New Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said Tuesday that President-elect Donald Trump is “being really dumb” by taking on the intelligence community and its assessments on Russia’s cyber activities.’

“Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,” Schumer told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow.’

‘CIA head John Brennan warns Trump to watch his tongue’

‘Former CIA Director John Brennan is warning that lawmakers who try to protect President Trump will face a “reckoning.” Earlier this month, he predicted “rough waters ahead.”

‘Samantha Power, who was U.S. ambassador to the United Nations under former President Barack Obama, warned President Trump on Saturday that it was “not a good idea to piss off John Brennan.” Obama administration allies have previously hinted at possible intelligence community retribution against Trump.’

‘In January 2017, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., warned Trump that the intelligence community had “six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.”

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Comment by In Colorado
2018-06-08 11:31:41

Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you

If that isn’t an admission that the Deep State is real, I don’t know what is.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2018-06-08 13:18:07

And a lot of up-and-coming Democratic congressional candidates are … wait for it … former employees of intelligence agencies. Why does it take a socialist website to point this out?

“An extraordinary number of former intelligence and military operatives from the CIA, Pentagon, National Security Council and State Department are seeking nomination as Democratic candidates for Congress in the 2018 midterm elections. The potential influx of military-intelligence personnel into the legislature has no precedent in US political history.

If the Democrats capture a majority in the House of Representatives on November 6, as widely predicted, candidates drawn from the military-intelligence apparatus will comprise as many as half of the new Democratic members of Congress. They will hold the balance of power in the lower chamber of Congress.”

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/07/dems-m07.html

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2018-06-08 15:00:40

Let me guess…all the folks who despised the tea partiers will be OK with this?

 
Comment by In Colorado
2018-06-08 15:55:45

They might be unscrupulous spies, but they are their unscrupulous spies.

Anyway, a truly frightful thing to hear. If this comes to pass, it will be the end of the world as we know it.

 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2018-06-08 13:15:03

The $ecretive Bilderberg elite are worried about the ‘post-truth’ world

More like the “post-deception” world.

It’s going to be interesting how the globalists are going to react to the wave of nationalism sweeping the globe, especially since they are increasingly losing control of the narrative. Will they invade Hungary and/or Poland to “liberate” them from “fascism”? Fortunately the EU’s armed forces aren’t formidable, and invading eastern Europe to make it toe the EU globalist line could have them butting heads with Russia.

Comment by Carl Morris
2018-06-08 13:21:24

More like the “post-deception” world.

Lies don’t work as well once everybody knows its a lie.

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Comment by snake charmer
2018-06-08 13:31:27

How many U.S. troops are in Europe presently? They aren’t there to fight a land battle with Russia, they’d be annihilated. They are there to keep Europe in line, if that ever is perceived to be necessary. Just like we’ll be in Afghanistan indefinitely; the purpose of our continued presence is not democracy or terrorism but rather to box in Iran.

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Comment by TIC TOK
2018-06-08 23:14:50

Well actually nobody in Japan actually said that. It’s a made up quote.

 
 
Comment by Apartment 401
2018-06-08 16:44:50

It’s going to be interesting how the globalists are going to react

Globalists gonna globe.

The extermination of borders, national sovereignty, and any resistance to immigration is their goal.

Remember what the Japanese said in WWII about invading the contiguous lower 48 US? “A rifle behind every blade of grass.”

Europe is a lost cause. America will not fall. Your move, globalists…

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Comment by MacBeth
2018-06-08 17:08:43

Speaking of the Japanese, I think a study of their political and immigration culture right about now is in order.

One never hears of immigration issues in Japan, or about any pending decimation of their culture.

I vaguely remember terrorist strikes on subways (a nerve gas if I remember correctly), but not many such instances.

I know very little about how Japan controls its borders.

Can anyone here illuminate? Thanks in advance.

 
Comment by MacBeth
2018-06-08 17:18:06

Additionally, you’d think Japan would repeatedly be accused as being one of the most racist cultures on Earth.

Where is all the outcry? The shaming?

It’s interesting, isn’t it?

 
Comment by MacBeth
2018-06-08 17:27:25

One can surmise that the globalists aren’t particularly interested in Japan.

That alone would explain why Japan isn’t on the hot seat.

And why Western media never brings cites Japan for its definitionally xenophobic culture.

 
Comment by MacBeth
2018-06-08 17:28:42

Sorry…”never cites Japan…”

 
Comment by sod
2018-06-08 17:44:59

Kinda makes you want to have a reactor melt down here doesn’t it?

 
Comment by MacBeth
2018-06-08 18:06:49

Which is more dangerous? A meltdown or globalists?

 
Comment by Apartment 401
2018-06-08 19:43:42

At some point, you don’t know if listening to the Spencer Davis Group or Traffic is the right choice. Steve Winwood is a talented musician, and whilst camping out at elevation 9,500′, you can just be too high (i havent smoked weed or eaten edible MJ in over 3 months).

May the music take you there, the drugs won’t do it…

 
 
 
 
Comment by snake charmer
2018-06-08 13:11:09

According to Forbes, there are only 2,208 billionaires in the world. Maybe the idea is for each of them to own several dozen luxury condo units, kind of like Jerry Seinfeld once owned 46 Porsches and allegedly employed someone whose sole job was to start them from time-to-time.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/07/forbes-there-are-a-record-2208-billionaires-in-the-world.html

 
Comment by Larry Littlefield
2018-06-09 06:07:26

“An unexpected and unprecedented presidential election triggered macroeconomic uncertainty and concerns about a supply glut in condo inventory began to take hold.”

Glut? In NYC? You could put a small two-bedroom condo on the market in a decent neighborhood in the outer boroughs and sell it in a day for the average price of an existing home in the U.S.

They are just asking too much money. Because their costs were too high. Because a bubble bid up the cost of development sites, and the city is already densely developed.

I’d love to see that happened in downtown Miami happen in NYC. After a foreclosure and workout, all those “luxury condos” get turned into affordable middle class apartments.

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-08 09:25:20

For Sale’ signs will soon be a thing of the past on homes in New Canaan, Connecticut. ‘The amount of them is giving buyers an idea that this entire town is for sale’

So where is CNBC and Larry to tell us yet again how there aren’t enough shacks?

https://www.cnbc.com/diana-olick/

Comment by rms
2018-06-08 13:29:24

Diana likely has a tough time accurately reporting on real estate and mortgage news and keep her job. Seems like some of her talking points have been lifted from the HBB.

 
Comment by MacBeth
2018-06-08 17:40:12

“For Sale’ signs will soon be a thing of the past on homes in New Canaan, Connecticut. ”

The socialization of the housing market continues. Housing now is a false marketplace. To support a false market, much must be hidden. Swept under the rug.

Note that none of us witnesses lines of people waiting to receive food stamps/ cards. That socialized program also has been swept under the rug.

Socialists must hide the truth.

Comment by In Colorado
2018-06-09 06:41:39

Note that none of us witnesses lines of people waiting to receive food stamps/ cards.

My understanding is that you can see such lines at Walmarts at midnight, while the EBT/SNAP card holders wait for their cards to be recharged when the clock strikes 12 on the first of the month (some states stagger out the recharge days to the first few days of the month).

But yeah, most folks are at home, asleep in their beds, when this happens.

 
Comment by rms
2018-06-09 07:43:05

“Socialists must hide the truth.”

There are many young able bodied people that they are protecting from being publicly shamed especially given our social media.

 
 
 
Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2018-06-08 10:35:19

What are the chance$ this will bee hacked/feature.added to a Te$la targeting Real E$tate agent$ as they set up the $igns …

Scientists created a psychopathic AI using Reddit images

Engadget
Rachel England
EngadgetJune 7, 2018

There’s no shortage of films and TV shows that speculate on the dark side of artificial intelligence — ‘robot goes wrong and chaos ensues’ is a pretty popular Hollywood trope. Now, in a study that sounds like the plot of a movie itself, researchers have actively encouraged an AI algorithm to embrace evil by training it to become a psychopath. A psychopath called Norman.

In the study, scientists from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) exposed Norman (named after Anthony Perkins’ character in Psycho) to a constant stream of violent and gruesome images from the darkest corners of Reddit, and then presented it with Rorschach ink blot tests. The results were downright chilling.

In one test, a standard AI saw a vase with flowers. Norman saw a man being shot dead. In another, the standard AI reported a person holding an umbrella in the air. Norman saw a man being shot dead in front of his screaming wife. Where the standard AI saw a touching scene of a couple standing together, Norman saw a pregnant woman falling from a building. According to the researchers, having been constantly exposed to negative images and depressive thinking, Norman’s empathy logic simply failed to activate.

The disturbing study was designed to prove that machine learning is significantly influenced by its method of input, and that when algorithms are accused of being biased or unfair it’s not down to the algorithm but rather the data that’s been fed into it. And this can have significant consequences in everything from employment to municipal services. And, as creepy Norman demonstrates, maybe even the future safety of mankind.

MIT

This article originally appeared on Engadget.

Comment by In Colorado
2018-06-08 11:34:08

It would be interesting to stumble upon the remains of an alien civilization, and find that it was annihilated by an AI.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2018-06-08 13:23:32

According to the researchers, having been constantly exposed to negative images and depressive thinking, Norman’s empathy logic simply failed to activate.

What empathy logic? Sounds like Norman was accurately processing based on previous experience. Like parts of the human population.

Comment by snake charmer
2018-06-08 14:08:53

“Being constantly exposed to negative images and depressive thinking” would describe a great deal of the current student experience at my allegedly elite, joyless alma mater. The last two times I visited I don’t think I saw anyone smiling.

 
 
 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-06-08 10:41:33

San Diego, CA 92122 Housing Prices Crater 6% YOY As West Coast Housing Bust Advances

https://www.zillow.com/san-diego-ca-92122/home-values/

*Select price from dropdown menu on first chart

Comment by Jingle Male
2018-06-09 08:42:58

HA, from your link: Market Health = 9.7 of 10

Prices: up 10% in 12 months

Forecast: up 10% next year.

HA, “…prices crater”.

The only thing cratering is HA’s mind…..

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-06-09 08:46:08

DegenerateGambler

Flagler Beach, FL Housing Prices Collapse 15% YOY

https://www.movoto.com/flagler-beach-fl/market-trends/

 
 
 
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2018-06-08 16:54:13

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Comment by Josh
2018-06-09 00:40:56

$1,429 HOA fee per month? Whoa

 
 
Comment by Norma
2018-06-08 18:50:41

Today on my way home from work I saw three open houses which I have never seen before I’m in southeast Boise which is supposed to be a hot market

Comment by Norma
2018-06-08 18:53:55

On a Friday

Comment by DirtyLawyer
2018-06-08 19:39:59

Southeast/Bench/Northend are all pretty nuts right now. People throwing stupid money at houses in all of these areas. A 1/1 in the West End listed for $260k went pending in less than 24hr - insane. Ready for this thing to hit a wall and buy a house for my family… so many flippers and “infesters” swarming this market. 1920’s era $400k “fixers” that need minimum of $50-100k of work.

Realtors and casual conversations = people are convinced the growth and demand will not stop, mania/panic mode in full effect.

Comment by Norma
2018-06-09 17:36:12

I am also in the legal business in Boise there is another long time firm disbanding

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Comment by DirtyLawyer
2018-06-10 16:40:25

which one?

 
 
Comment by rms
2018-06-10 04:13:02

Investment bankers who specialize in corporate liquidations are quietly staffing up, i.e., the smell of blood is in the water.

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Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-06-08 19:32:21

Portland (Northwest Heights), OR Housing Prices Crater 23% YOY As Rental Rates Tank

https://www.zillow.com/northwest-heights-portland-or/home-values/

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Comment by TIC TOK
2018-06-08 23:20:04

In my neck of the woods it’s “slowed” down from 100 mph to 90.

Comment by Jingle Male
2018-06-09 08:51:53

Sacramento foothills are seeing softness above 1,000,000. There are lots of $50,000 price reductions on those properties. Overall inventory is up 25%. The $400-$500,000 price range is still very tight.

Comment by Carl Morris
2018-06-09 12:29:07

The 600k-700k range seemed a little soft early in the year but kind of went nuts in April except for the most overpriced examples. Now it seems more like a deadlock where the remaining properties aren’t moving but they’re not going to give it away. Once in a while a new one gets listed at a reasonable price and it goes quickly but the rest continue to wait and hope.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-06-09 06:20:25

‘The amount of them is giving buyers an idea that this entire town is for sale,’

Used home sellers wouldn’t want their customers to base their home purchase decisions on a realistic understanding of underlying market conditions.

 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-06-09 06:23:48

Having driven rental cars around a number of large U.S. cities, I have to say that horrible traffic is ubiquitous. After driving in Chicago, I believe that its traffic may be even worse than LAs, And this is in good weather.

 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-06-09 07:33:34

Washington, DC (Capitol Hill) Housing Prices Crater 14% YOY As DC/NoVa Housing Market Collapses Like Yesterdays Carnival

https://www.zillow.com/capitol-hill-washington-dc/home-values/

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