June 13, 2018

Demand Failed To Keep Up With Frenzied Development

A report from CNBC. “Rent prices have risen over the past year across the U.S., but there are some bright spots: Several cities experienced modest price drops thanks to new building projects. Of the 25 biggest cities in the U.S., Apartment List found seven — Baltimore, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Portland, Seattle, St. Louis and Washington, D.C. — where median rental rates actually decreased year over year. The price drops in Portland, Oregon, and Seattle are due, in large part, to the flood of new apartments hitting the market, says Chris Salviati, a housing economist at Apartment List. ‘Over the past year, they’ve had a record number of units hit the market,’ Salviati says.”

From Globest.com. “US multifamily rent growth waned in the beginning of 2018. According to research from Rent Café, apartment rents increased 2% in the start of the year, the weakest growth for the same period of time since 2010. Overall, cities with the largest apartment units saw the most rent growth, including Las Vegas, Orlando, Denver and Los Angeles. Nadia Balint of Rent Café: ‘Following several consecutive years of record deliveries, apartment supply is expected to hit a new peak this year, with tens of thousands of new units to be delivered in many of the nation’s primary rental markets such as New York, Washington DC, Los Angeles, Chicago, Austin, and others, slowing down overall growth. Slow-growing wages and lots of new units, most at the high end of the market, chasing after the same renters is inevitably affecting rent prices.’”

From the Newbury Port News. “Tom Saab, owner of Tom Saab Real Estate, has been in the business in Salisbury for more 40 years. He said 15 percent of his 80 summer rental units have yet to be booked. ‘I’m getting calls from other owners who have vacancies also,’ Saab said. ‘Everybody is behind. Last year, I was 100 percent booked.’”

“Saab added that a traditional two-bedroom summer rental is Salisbury usually goes for $1,000 to $1,500 a week but this season could very well end up producing quite a bit of savings for the average renter. ‘You might be able to get a little bit of a discount now because of the vacancies,’ Saab said. ‘We just need to get the message out – Salisbury Beach is open for business and there are vacancies all over the beach.’”

The Charlotte Observer in North Carolina. “A spa for your dog. Golf and boxing simulators in the gym. Private bars with wine storage for residents. A 24-hour concierge. The list of amenities in some new Charlotte apartment buildings sounds more like what you’d expect in a high-end resort than a rental unit where you might live for a year or two. But with a record number of high-end apartments under construction, buildings are turning to their amenities to stand out and try to lure renters.”

“‘It’s been an arms race, especially with the high level of supply and competition,’ said Chad Hagler, a developer with Woodfield Investments, who’s opening the 455-unit Links Rea Farms apartments this year. ‘Everyone is trying to outdo one another.’”

“Not all residents want the amenities, however. ‘I prefer no amenities. My fiance and I toured probably every apartment complex in South End and South Park, and they upcharge for rent,’ said Rob Brooks, a resident of Park Avenue Condos. The couple decided to rent a unit at the condos to avoid the higher price tag of amenity-laden apartments. While his condo has a swimming pool, Brooks said he doesn’t use it much. His membership at the Y makes a swanky fitness room unnecessary, and his lack of a pet eliminates the need for a dog park or pet spa. ‘We didn’t want any of that extra stuff,’ Brooks said. ‘It’s not important to us.’”

From Metro.us in New York. “To get accurate prices of how much it costs to live near a certain stop, RentHop looked at 50 non-duplicate listings within 0.6 miles of a subway stop and calculated the median rents. And luckily, lots of these listings got cheaper. Around half of apartments near subway stops in Manhattan saw negative rent growth, the report found — including 34 St-Herald Square, which serves the B/D/F/M/N/Q/R/W trains, which saw a rent decrease of 8.2 percent, and Chambers Street, which serves the 1/2/3 trains, which saw a rent drop of 10.2 percent.”

“Apartments are also getting cheaper around subway stops in Brooklyn, especially the ones along the L line, which is slated to shut down in April 2019, though some near the Metropolitan Av – G Train stop and the Central Av – M Train stop saw price dips, as well. ‘Our findings indicate that we are now in a renter’s market — net effective rents are dropping, specifically in Brooklyn and Northern Queens. This means that more landlords are offering concessions, and that is a good sign for New Yorkers,’ said Shane Lee, RentHop data analyst. ‘Many renters are getting one month or two months free, and the fact that there is more supply than demand definitely gives renters more negotiating power.’”

From Realtor.com on Florida. “Homebuyers are likely to absorb Miami’s abundance of unsold condos within the next two years, as developers hesitate to break ground on new projects, according to predictions from developer and consultant ISG World. Over the past two years, demand for newly built condominiums failed to keep up with frenzied development in the South Florida city, so much so that multiple developers have put previously announced projects on hold.”

“The softness has pushed many developers in recent years toward rental developments. For example 25 Edgewater, a development under construction in Downtown Miami, was originally offered as a condo tower, but has changed course and is now a rental, according to ISG. Some of the softest neighborhoods include the city’s beaches, such as South Beach, Miami Beach and Sunny Isles, where developers have canceled three major condo projects. About one-fifth of all condo units in the beach areas that have hit the market since 2011 are still unsold, according to ISG.”

“Along the stretch of Miami east of Interstate-95, there are around 3,290 unsold units in new, under construction and pre-construction developments. Analysts have pinned the slowdown on myriad political and economic factors outside of the oversupply, including a slowdown in demand from Latin American buyers. ‘The strength of the U.S. dollar against most foreign currencies and the changing political climate in South America and Europe have recently slowed the investment of foreign capital in United States real estate,’ according to the report.”

The Star Tribune in Texas. “Examples of lavish apartments are everywhere in Fort Worth. The main reason is that when apartment developers borrow money to build their projects, the banks or investors want to get the best return possible per square foot — and that’s easier to do when you’re renting to tenants with a six-figure salary. ‘Developers are searching for the highest rate of return, so they’re going to be choosing projects that earn that money, particularly in an area with a limited availability of land and a tight construction labor market,’ said Gus Faucher, chief economist at PNC Financial Services Group.”

“Since 2010, 16,460 apartment units have been built in the Fort Worth area, according to RealPage, a real estate data company. But only 4 percent of these new units — a lowly 710 apartments — are now priced below the area’s average rent price of $1,093 per month. As more luxury apartments are built, the older units tend to become a better deal. Once the new apartments are open, older competitors will offer prospective residents a month of free rent, a break on utilities and other perks to lure them in. ‘They’re older and don’t have amenities, but they are more reasonably priced,’ Faucher said.”

From KBTX-TV in Texas. “According to a recent report by Bloomberg, this past school year, Park West, a new luxury-styled apartment complex located off of George Bush Drive, had nearly half of their available apartments still up for rent. Reasons behind the vacancy seem to point to cost. At the beginning of the year, rent prices were as high as $1,000 a month, which students like Tayler Winchell think is too high. ‘I mean, I couldn’t pay for it, as a college student you are paying for your own things and school, it’s just not possible unless your parents are doing it for you,’ said Winchell.”

“Even with amenities like a rooftop pool, a fitness and activity center and a nice view, Winchell said she doesn’t blame others from turning away. ‘Yes, I would love to have a nicer apartment and the amenities that they offered, but at the price it’s just not realistic,’ said Winchell.”

“Parents like Kenia Navarro said that she would never pay more than $600 for her kids to go to stay while they were in college. ‘I remember growing up and my parents paying 700 or 800 for a three bedroom house and now a one bedroom goes for $1,000, that’s just crazy, and that’s just for rent, that’s not including utilities, groceries or anything, it’s ridiculous,’ said Navarro.”

“To help fill the empty rooms, Park West lowered their rates to as low as $600. ‘You don’t realize until it’s coming out of your own pocket and then you’re like wow okay let’s be realistic and that is just not realistic,’ said Navarro.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-13 07:42:36

‘The main reason is that when apartment developers borrow money to build their projects, the banks or investors want to get the best return possible per square foot — and that’s easier to do when you’re renting to tenants with a six-figure salary.’

This is the Underwear Gnomes line of thinking.

‘The episode is also known for the nonsensical business plan that the gnomes of the title devise (whose three steps consist of “Collect underpants”, “?”, “Profit”), which later became a commonly-used reference when mocking poorly-thought-out business and political strategies.’

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnomes_(South_Park)

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-13 08:25:37

‘Parents like Kenia Navarro said that she would never pay more than $600 for her kids to go to stay while they were in college. ‘I remember growing up and my parents paying 700 or 800 for a three bedroom house and now a one bedroom goes for $1,000, that’s just crazy, and that’s just for rent, that’s not including utilities, groceries or anything, it’s ridiculous’

$1,000 for a bedroom. In College Station. And the S&P couldn’t see this coming.

Comment by whirlyite
2018-06-13 12:34:17

Aggies are supposed to be dumb (Google “Aggie Jokes”) but they aren’t THAT dumb!

 
 
Comment by MGSpiffy
2018-06-13 11:56:59

How many times in the last month have I said basically that

1) The market they are designed to serve is Investor profits and not the people living in the area.

2) Every developer thinks (or proposes) that their project is the ’special one’ that will cater exclusively to the small slice of customers with top incomes and minimal needs.

 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-06-13 14:35:25

Seattle, WA 98121 Rental Rates Crater 9% YOY As Record High Housing Inventory Expands Across The US

https://www.zillow.com/seattle-wa-98121/home-values/

…. and don’t forget to select price on rental chart. :mrgreen:

Comment by BlackSwandive
2018-06-13 21:36:58

The cratering rents in Seattle are going to hammer house prices even worse. Why would somebody buy such an overpriced rotbox when they could rent a brand new luxury flat for a song?

Comment by MGSpiffy
2018-06-14 01:57:14

There’s a partial disconnect between the two in the Seattle/Metro King county market though.

How many of the tens of thousands of new units are 3+ bedroom or over 1200 sq ft (and not in penthouse level pricing)? Almost zilch as the ROI isn’t as good. And it’s not just the big towers in the core. I was visiting a new unit off 65th in Ravenna (MIO Seattle) the other week - the whole area is SFH yet they put in a 4 story apartment building on what used to be 2 SFH lots. 40 units - lots of upscale amenities. They have 4 floorplans ranging from 410 sq ft to 403 sq ft - all 1 bed/1bath (if you can call that closet a bedroom). That is the dominant mentality - cater to the UW/Amazon/Urban millennial crowd.

The competition on the housing that I’ve met (noting it’s probably a biased subset due to locations, etc), for both rentals and purchase consists primarily of people that need more than almost any of the new rentals can provide- people with kids, cars, stuff, families, etc.

So I am asserting that the direct connection on prices between the two is not that strong - more like multiple 2nd are 3rd order effects.

However, I’m convinced both sectors are are in for a hammering - just that I think SFH sales will be done even more damage by rising mortgage rates. As of today, a buyer for a median priced Seattle house is going to need near perfect credit and financials to get a sub 5% mortgage (despite the advertised rates which are showing ~4 7/8th) and it’s been noted to expect 2 more fed rate hikes later this year. It wasn’t that long ago you get a loan in the 3%s. I know there are some ‘fog a mirror’ type lenders out there, but I don’t see them that much in this particular market (and their rates would be even higher in order to generate hefty sales commissions).

Anyway, with west coast home prices, lots of prospective buyers are going to get shoved down a couple price bands in terms of what they can afford a lot quicker than say someone in the midwest. The house that last years got 8 offers is likely to see what this summer? 2 or 3? Whatever it is, it wont take too much before the Realtors(tm) are whispering furiously among themselves, followed by locals taking notice of the cold front moving in on the sales front. Yes, supply will still be a problem, but that’s not mutually exclusive to a downturn.

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Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-06-14 08:38:37

“the ROI isn’t as good.”

The ROI is never good when you don’t have the sense or expertise to know you’re overpaying.

That’s what dumb.borrowed.money. does. Overpays.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Party on
2018-06-13 07:55:43

The link at the end of my post will take you to a chart on the St. Louis Fed website of the USA’s All Sectors; Debt Securities and Loans; Liability, Level (TCMDO) versus its gross domestic product, from 1975 to 2018.

The following is taken off this same web page:

“The FRED series Total Credit Market Debt Owed is now known as All Sectors; Debt Securities and Loans; Liability, Level.”

(To view the chart you have to enable cookies on your computer)

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=k8o2#0

Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2018-06-13 09:18:06

Bah humbug$! & deficit$dontmatter!

Ri$ing Intere$t rate$ will.have.Zero … Effect$, … just.you.wait&$ee!

(I$.the.young.brain$.of.Ball$.$treet already on their $ummer vacation$?)

 
Comment by Mr. Banker
2018-06-13 09:44:56

My bread and my butter.

Easy money, generated one dotted line at a time. This is made possible by a nation populated by millions of totally dumbed-down ignorant pukes who greet the ability to accumulate enormous quantities of debt as a wondrous thing.

Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2018-06-13 10:04:42

“Ea$y money, generated one dotted line at a time.”

Do you use recycled paper & organic ink$ inn that income$ generating document$ producing machine?, … seem$ there’$ alot of signed dotted line$ all over the globe.

 
Comment by octal77
2018-06-13 10:27:56

“…the ability to accumulate enormous quantities of debt as a wondrous thing….”

Wasn’t that line in the theme song for “Rich Dad, Poor Dad” Robert Kiyosaki, one of the all time con artists?

 
 
 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-06-13 08:02:34

La Mesa, CA Rental Rates Crater 7% YOY As San Diego Area Housing Bust Accelerates

https://www.zillow.com/la-mesa-ca/home-values/

*Select price from dropdown menu on rental chart

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-13 08:04:22

‘Rising sublet market in Downtown is threatening office landlord profits’

‘Tenant space is generally cheaper than direct space’

‘With companies like Condé Nast and Liberty Mutual Insurance looking to sublet hundreds of thousands of square feet of office space, Lower Manhattan is looking at the highest sublet availability rate since 2010.’

‘It’s not great news for landlords. Sublet space is generally priced lower than direct space, so increased availability generally puts downward pressure on asking rents. Landlords are also offering free rent periods and other concessions to tenants, raising the costs of filling office space.’

Comment by Taxpayers
2018-06-13 12:42:06

15 years w a 15% vacancy rate for office space in my area. How do they hold on?

Comment by BlackSwandive
2018-06-13 21:40:27

The richest people in the world own it, that’s how.

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-13 08:09:23

‘ Of the 25 biggest cities in the U.S., Apartment List found seven — Baltimore, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Portland, Seattle, St. Louis and Washington, D.C. — where median rental rates actually decreased year over year. The price drops in Portland, Oregon, and Seattle are due, in large part, to the flood of new apartments hitting the market…‘Over the past year, they’ve had a record number of units hit the market’

‘Overall, cities with the largest apartment units saw the most rent growth, including Las Vegas, Orlando, Denver and Los Angeles. ‘Following several consecutive years of record deliveries, apartment supply is expected to hit a new peak this year, with tens of thousands of new units to be delivered in many of the nation’s primary rental markets such as New York, Washington DC, Los Angeles, Chicago, Austin, and others’

Remember when we had a poster here who told us we were short by millions of airboxes and shacks?

‘Following several consecutive years of record deliveries’

Golly, and this plethora of rental websites missed this entirely, and I saw it in 2014. Now we got a glut and some schlonged investors in every major metro. And some smaller places too:

‘To help fill the empty rooms, Park West lowered their rates to as low as $600′

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-13 08:11:26

June 9, 2018

From Bloomberg. “Park West, a 3,400-bed student housing complex near the Texas A&M University campus in College Station has a resort-style rooftop pool, three gyms and lounges with billiard tables, ping pong and flat screen televisions. What it doesn’t have are students — or rather their parents — willing or able to pay as much as $1,000 a month to live there. Just over half the beds at the complex, financed largely by tax-exempt municipal bonds, were filled during the last academic year.”

“About 360 miles (580 kilometers) north in Norman, Oklahoma, a 1,230-bed residence hall at the University of Oklahoma featuring a ‘blow dry bar and salon,’ a market with grass-fed local meats, and a cycling studio is just 26 percent leased, according to a securities filing. It opens in August. ‘We have seen some projects go through a little bit of stress,’ said Jessica Matsumori, an analyst at S&P Global Ratings. S&P has rated about 60 privatized municipal student-housing deals, most of them BBB-, the lowest investment grade.”

“Few restrictions apply to tax-exempt financings by non-profit entities, said Mark Scott, a former head of the U.S. Internal Revenue Service’s Tax-Exempt Bond Office. ‘The real question is why an entity that builds luxury apartments is entitled to non-profit status,’ he said. Park West only rented 54 percent of beds in the fall semester and 52 percent in the spring, according to S&P. Management told S&P the market study didn’t capture all the new housing supply coming on line in the area surrounding the campus. S&P downgraded the bonds eight levels to CCC in December.”

http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=10458

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-13 08:15:19

‘Management told S&P the market study didn’t capture all the new housing supply coming on line in the area surrounding the campus. S&P downgraded the bonds eight levels to CCC in December’

Should have been reading the HBB. Now these guys are hosed. What’s kinda funny about this is how they rush out and say, “holy cow rents are actually falling!”

How long ago was it that the Boston apartment tower was cancelled because of oversupply? It was a year and a half maybe two years ago.

Manhattan has been getting their a$$ kicked for at least two years now.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2018-06-13 09:08:53

From Bloomberg. “Park West, a 3,400-bed student housing complex near the Texas A&M University campus in College Station has a resort-style rooftop pool, three gyms and lounges with billiard tables, ping pong and flat screen televisions. What it doesn’t have are students — or rather their parents — willing or able to pay as much as $1,000 a month to live there.

“Could we have kippers for breakfast
Mummy dear, mummy dear
They got to have ‘em in Texas
‘Cause everyone’s a millionaire”

=Supertramp, Breakfast in America

Comment by aNYCdj
2018-06-13 10:33:01

Dont colleges already have has a resort-style rooftop pool, three gyms and lounges with billiard tables, ping pong and flat screen televisions

already on campus and included in their student activities fees?

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Comment by In Colorado
2018-06-13 11:11:42

Don’t know about the rooftop pool, but the dorm, the cafeteria and the student union are much nicer than a generation or two ago, and it shows in the prices.

Most students around here bail out of the dorms after only one year (it’s usually mandatory the first year) and rent a flop house with some friends and pay maybe $300 a month each for a room.

So, the dorms are already too expensive, and developers are hoping to rent even more expensive digs to students?

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-13 11:58:43

Lo and so! Even more, to hear them tell it, students are demanding this stuff. Maybe I’m the only person who has noticed that this student luxury demand just so happens to coincide with a demand for luxury apartments and luxury senior living. At the exact same time! Gosh, we’re just luxury crazy in every city and burg across the nation! And this happens just after the prices of land skyrocketed.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2018-06-13 14:14:24

I went the flop house route, in a student ghetto, and it was quite enjoyable. I never pined for luxury, and it would have felt out of place to have those options, when at the time I’d never had any job other than low-wage, seasonal summer employment. Isn’t scraping by and spending all your spare money on beer part of the university experience?

 
Comment by OneAgainstMany
2018-06-14 09:36:01

I went even cheaper than you did. I chose a university close to home, got an academic scholarship, and lived at home. Not everyone can be so fortunate, but I came out of college with a good amount of savings from actually working most of the way through part-time and full-time in the summer.

 
 
 
 
Comment by taxpayers
2018-06-13 12:16:51

Balimer could be due to dead honkey crime rates too
DC as the chopping continues

Melania cut her WH budget by 1/2 vs MOOchele

 
Comment by Taxpayers
2018-06-13 12:44:02

What are the cultural advantages of las Vegas n Orlando ?

 
Comment by b
2018-06-14 07:51:03

One of the largest / most expensive rental complexes in downtown Seattle. They even have a Tom Douglas resturant on the retail ground floor.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/real-estate/pricey-seattle-apartment-tower-ripping-out-pipes-to-fix-leaks-as-tenants-fume/

Amazing ….

 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-06-14 08:53:38

“Washington, D.C. — where median rental rates actually decreased year over year.”

DC rents are falling, even as the macroeconomy grows to the sky. I wonder where rents will go once the economy tanks?

Oxide, care to comment?

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-13 08:22:35

‘Some of the softest neighborhoods include the city’s beaches, such as South Beach, Miami Beach and Sunny Isles, where developers have canceled three major condo projects. About one-fifth of all condo units in the beach areas that have hit the market since 2011 are still unsold’

Huh, the beaches are softest. And a quick check: yep it’s 2018. So 7 years.

 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-06-13 09:06:06

Bend(Century West), OR Housing Prices Crater 16% YOY As Housing Losses Ravages West Coast

https://www.zillow.com/century-west-bend-or/home-values/

*Select price from dropdown menu on rental chart

 
Comment by boots on the ground in ptown
2018-06-13 09:06:40

“Hurry Hurry Hurry, don’t walk, RUN! to the punch bowl before its taken away! Step right up!”

mortgagenewsdaily.com/06122018_mba_mcai.asp

Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-06-14 09:00:27

The Fed has embarked on a rapid series of rate hikes. Good luck, high rollers!

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-13 09:21:06

‘Over the past two years, demand for newly built condominiums failed to keep up with frenzied development in the South Florida city’

Now why would they have frenzied development? Oh, right, global QE - for years, then safe deposit boxes in the sky, etc. But Shirley the developers wouldn’t go overboard would they?

April 19, 2018

From Bisnow on Florida. “‘Palm Beach is completely on fire,’ said Todd Michael Glaser, a high-end homebuilder who made his name in Miami but has lately been concentrating on Palm Beach County. ‘I’ve never seen the amount of $8M to $70M homes as in the last three and a half, four months. It’s staggering.’ It’s not just single-family homes that are hot, but a new wave of high-end condos and mutifamily apartments, especially in downtown West Palm Beach.”

“Kolter Urban President Bob Vail, who is developing the Alexander, said that there is something of an arms race for amenities in the new supply of high-end homes. ‘You see that across the U.S. There are [apartment] buildings in Atlanta, Denver and Dallas that are nicer and more fully amenitized than condominium units, because that’s what it’s going to take to get people to choose that building,’ Vail said. ‘It’s just sort of a differential advantage. It’s really become a race in those more in-demand markets.’”

“Though the market is healthy now, the developers agreed a slowdown is possible as new supply takes time to be absorbed, construction costs rise and actionable sites get harder to find. Low salaries in Palm Beach County mean that not many workers can afford high rents. When an audience member asked whether they were concerned with an economic downturn, Vail responded half-jokingly, ‘Condo developers, we don’t forecast those kind of things, you know what I mean? We’re just go, go go,’ he said. ‘And the faster we go, the faster we get to the closing, and then, I’m not going to say we don’t care, but … ‘ The audience chuckled as he trailed off.”

http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=10407

Comment by In Colorado
2018-06-13 10:12:19

Low salaries in Palm Beach County mean that not many workers can afford high rents.

Funny how that simple fact just never seems to register with the decision makers, regardless of locale. Wages are cr@p just about everywhere, and yet all they build are expensive apartments almost no one can afford to rent.

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-13 10:41:59

The supply and demanders are incapable of understanding this simple concept. Prices too high? They say “build more stuff almost no one can afford!” The problem is, this only brings prices down after these clowns walk away from the loans, lenders get hit and the prices/rents are adjusted down by the buyer of the foreclosure. That’s a half-arsed way to get there.

The underlying bubble is in the land. “We can’t build affordable cuz we paid too much for the land!” See above mister.

So if the central bank wants to spot a bubble, one way is to measure how much and for how long prices go up more than wages. In the US we’re at around 80 months or more.

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-06-13 11:19:06

“We can’t build affordable cuz we paid too much for the land!”

Paying too much for anything always has a horrific outcome. In the case of paying more than construction cost($50/sq ft for lot, labor, materials and land) for a depreciating asset like a house has life long financial consequences.

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Comment by OneAgainstMany
2018-06-14 09:39:35

So if the central bank wants to spot a bubble, one way is to measure how much and for how long prices go up more than wages.

This is perhaps the sagest advice I’ve read on this forum. Well said Ben.

 
 
 
Comment by Ethan in NoVA
2018-06-13 14:45:00

They build them to flip the entire projects, not for people to live in them.

 
Comment by brazendetre
2018-06-13 17:56:07

Its ponzi 101. Builders are going to build - its what they do. So they develop some plan with smoke and mirrors catering to the unicorn/luxury market. Loan sharks happy to take their vig, RE agents happy to pimp the units - everyone is getting paid for some number of years until the whole thing folds as it was based on nothing and backed by nothing, but in the interim lots of people made their bones off of the scam. Lather, rinse, repeat - world wide.

Governments eat the loans and in turn raise taxes on us minions. Its all one big debt fueled ponzi to keep this sh!t show from going off the tracks. Its. all. a. lie.

Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2018-06-13 21:12:02

“Its. all. a. lie.”

To $ingular & myopic

it’$ all lie$:

Follow the True.Beliver$ … The admire the Emperor’$ handmedown clothe$!

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Comment by oxide
2018-06-13 09:59:19

A minimum-wage worker can’t afford a 2-bedroom apartment anywhere in the U.S.

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By Tracy Jan. June 13 at 10:00 AM

…Not even in Arkansas, the state with the cheapest housing in the country. One would need to earn $13.84 an hour — about $29,000 a year — to afford a two-bedroom apartment there. The minimum wage in Arkansas is $8.50 an hour.

San Francisco, Marin and San Mateo counties top the list of most expensive jurisdictions, where one would need to make $60.02 an hour to afford a modest two-bedroom apartment.

According to the report, a one-bedroom is affordable for minimum-wage workers in only 22 counties in five states: Arizona, California, Colorado, Oregon and Washington.

Nationally, one would have to earn $17.90 an hour to afford a modest one-bedroom apartment or $22.10 an hour for a two-bedroom rental.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/13/a-minimum-wage-worker-cant-afford-a-2-bedroom-apartment-anywhere-in-the-u-s/?utm_term=.437d9cfdd3dd

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That’s based on spending 30% of income on housing. I suppose these people could get a roommate.

Comment by Mike
2018-06-13 10:53:42

A minimum-wage worker can’t afford a 2-bedroom apartment anywhere in the U.S.

Hat tip Bernanke/Yellen. Pillage the savers and ruin low income earners. But there is a silver lining.

The rich got much richer.

And as any intelligent person knows, when the rich buy a Rolex, a Van Gogh or a new Mercedes, it trickles down.
Just wait you homeless, you hungry, the trickle down is coming any day now. Never doubt that Bernanke and Yellen had your back.

 
Comment by TIC TOK
2018-06-13 12:24:01

So rent a 1 bed. Or studio. Or get a roomate.
Or I dunno get an education so you make more than min. wage. Where is it written a burger flipper is entitled to a 2 bedroom apartment?

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-06-13 12:50:38

Better yet, lease lower priced accommodations. Rental rates are falling with all this excess housing inventory.

Comment by oxide
2018-06-13 13:56:20

Apartments are acting like shack-buying: luxury is dropping like a rock, but there’s a mass shortage of affordable stuff.

It doesn’t help that the affordable apts are being bought up an value-added into luxury, thus making both problems worse at the same time.

That said: yeah, if you put in minimum effort at school and minimum effort at work, and you make minimum wage, don’t act so shocked when you can only afford minimum housing. Minimum wage jobs should be done by teens or college kids, as temporary cash, or as a way for wifey to get out of the house. It’s not a career.

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Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-06-13 14:17:28

Donk,

Falling prices deliver affordability by definition.

 
Comment by OneAgainstMany
2018-06-14 09:43:44

Minimum wage jobs should be done by teens or college kids, as temporary cash, or as a way for wifey to get out of the house. It’s not a career.

Except for the fact that minimum wage jobs are increasingly the jobs that are not done by teenagers. They often are the only jobs that are available to a wide swath of the population. The average age of a minimum wage worker is 35 and 88% are above 20.

I have nothing against sharpening one’s skills, getting more education and/or training, but I fundamentally agree with the premise that someone willing to work full-time should be able to afford housing, even if they don’t have a college degree.

 
 
 
Comment by snake charmer
2018-06-13 14:33:02

In 1967 a minimum wage worker could raise a family, above the poverty line, without anyone telling him or her to get an education or roommates. That’s laughable now.

If this continues we’ll all be the equivalent of burger flippers.

Comment by TIC TOK
2018-06-13 17:00:32

That’s ridiculous. Minimum wage is entry level and always has been.it was $1.40 in 1967. Someone working full time would earn about $1800 a year. Median income in 1967 was $7500. So a min wage worker made 25% of median.

Today min wage is $7.75 or $15k a year. Median imcome is 60k. And amazingly enough the percent today is….wait for it….25%. Whoa!!

Which means relative to median a min wage worker today is exactly in the same situation as back in the “good old days” you are so fond of.

Funny that, huh?

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Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2018-06-13 17:37:50

” …today is exactly in the same situation as back in the “good old days” you are so fond of.”

Punch the number$ for 1967 & $how me the equivalent$ of $1 Trillion$ in $tudent loan$

The financial road out of minimum wage$ in 1967 via education i$ knot on the $ame “follow.the.yellow.brick.road$” of the current era$

Funny that, uh oh!

 
Comment by snake charmer
2018-06-14 06:59:18

I’m not overly fond of any era. Each has its own pluses and minuses; what is gained is valuable, but often what was lost is too. And I wasn’t alive in 1967.

It’s not just the minimum wage. The median income in the U.S. today is a position of deep economic stress compared to any other time in the lives of most individuals now living. That’s not funny.

 
Comment by OneAgainstMany
2018-06-14 09:47:11

Tic tok,

One thing to consider though is that the share of wages needed to buy the bare necessities (housing, transportation, and medical) has increased greatly in that time frame.

Barry Ritholz said it well in his op-ed in Bloomberg last week:

“We have deflation in the things we want, but inflation in the things we need.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-06-04/most-of-us-really-are-not-fabulously-rich

 
 
Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2018-06-13 17:19:13

“Inn 1967 a minimum wage worker could …”

change job$ / career$ without incurring any $tudent loan debt$

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Comment by BlackSwandive
2018-06-13 22:07:47

Heckuva job, Obama.

Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2018-06-14 00:06:15

I$ the folks in Puerto Rico U$ citizen$?

Hurricane $eason 2018 is 14 day$ old … They will sleep better now that they don’t have to worry about the Honorable rocketman of North Korea.

Comment by snake charmer
2018-06-14 06:51:36

Yes, Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens. There always has been an ambivalence about that, which is why statehood barely gets a majority, at best, whenever polls address that question (the last referendum was boycotted by all major parties against statehood, and thus was skewed). Also why Puerto Rico has its own Olympic team.

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Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2018-06-14 08:51:41

Ya get x2 US Senators iffin’ yer a 51st $tate + @ 3.5 million folks, more Congress representative’s than Wyoming …

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Mr. Banker
2018-06-13 10:08:08

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha …

https://www.coindesk.com/price/

 
Comment by Boots on the Ground in Ptown
2018-06-13 10:30:17

https://www.corelogic.com/blog/2018/05/house-flipping-reaches-a-post-crash-high-across-the-nation.aspx

“… High acquisition cost, tight inventory, and rising flipping activities together point to possible speculation: investors are betting on continuous home price growth.”

 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-06-13 10:58:38

Glendora, CA Housing Prices Crater 5% YOY As LA Area Rental Rates Plummet On Record High Housing Inventory

https://www.zillow.com/glendora-ca/home-values/

*Select price from dropdown menu on first chart

 
Comment by taxpayers
2018-06-13 12:12:06

2-10yr spread 41 points

nbd

 
 
Comment by Bubblebot
2018-06-13 13:37:51

So is today’s rate hike and additional hikes planned for this year finally going to start letting some air out of this thing? It’s a two edged sword. I want to keep winning with DJT but I want non bubble housing too.

 
Comment by Mr. Banker
2018-06-13 13:58:40

Bahahahahahahahahahahaha …

“Given that Tesla has never made an annual profit in the almost 15 years since we have existed, profit is obviously not what motivates us”

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/06/12/tesla-job-cuts-profit-is-obviously-not-what-motivates-us/

Comment by TIC TOK
2018-06-13 17:05:43

Tesla has been around for 15 years? I thought it started more like 2008 or 9. You learn new things every day.

 
 
Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2018-06-13 17:03:41

All$ well, that end$ well … Ain’t that $well!

“If this view is right,” he said, “a critical transition and a moment of final rupture for global markets may then loom ahead.”

This may seem contradictory, given the “sound fundamentals” of earnings and growth that have allowed the markets to rebound from recent market shake-ups.

But the fund’s report noted the worst market drops in history were preceded by lower-than-average volatility, stronger-than-average earnings, positive GDP (gross domestic product) growth and bullish sentiment — visible in 1929, 1987, 2000 and 2007.

Some enduring red flags, Filia said, are in the form of politics and geopolitics — growing populism across Europe as well as Middle East and Asian tensions. But more than that he sees shrinking liquidity — central bank spending flows in reverse for the first time in a decade — as the “first real crash test” for momentum and volatility, as well as rising interest rates.

Historic debt levels likely pose another danger, as we’re now looking at the largest debt-to-GDP ratios for some of the major G-10 countries in decades. At the same time, we’re faced with some of the smallest savings rates across U.S. households in decades and “the worst debt metrics for corporates,”

Historic debt levels likely pose another danger, as we’re now looking at the largest debt-to-GDP ratios for some of the major G-10 countries in decades.

Natasha Turak | CNBC
Published Mon, 11 June 2018

 
Comment by taxpayers
2018-06-14 07:48:59

10 yr 2.94
? por que
I would think we’d be over 3
recession sooner than later?

Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-06-14 16:55:11

No recession is necessary. A credible long-term commitment by the Fed to keep inflation from straying very far from its 2 percent target, plus low expected returns on other assets, should be sufficient.

 
 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-06-15 04:40:27

Did you dump your bond funds in time?

The Financial Times
The QE retreat
Investors fled bond funds before Fed and ECB meetings
Outflows from fixed income were broad-based

 
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