June 19, 2018

A Discussion Of How Far House Prices Will Fall

A report from the San Francisco Chronicle in California. “While much of San Francisco’s housing market continues on at its usual breakneck speed, the luxury market—generally defined as listings above the $2-million mark—usually takes a substantial summer sabbatical. That means that right now sellers in that segment are rapidly slashing prices, trying to get buyers’ attention before the summer slowdown hits. In fact, 22 of the 34 price reductions between May 7 and June 7 were for homes priced above $2 million, according to Paragon Real Estate. There’s another good reason for big cuts—some up to $1 million—in the luxury market. These properties are more likely to be overpriced to begin with.”

“‘More expensive homes have always been much more subject to egregious overpricing; owners and listing agents sometimes have a hard time being realistic when pricing large, beautiful houses,’ said Paragon’s Patrick Carlisle. ‘But even in a crazy hot market, buyers won’t buy homes they consider well overpriced.’ Take a look at the gallery above for some prime examples of listings throughout the city that have taken price cuts in the hundreds of thousands of dollars in the past month.”

From Global News in Canada. “If you’re looking to purchase a home this summer- the odds are in your favour. According to the chair of the Realtors Association, housing inventory is at it’s highest peak since 2008. ‘We had a little bit more in 2008. But it’s definitely the highest since then,’ Darcy Torhjelm said. ‘There’s lots to choose from in just about every category. I’m not seeing prices dropping drastically.’”

From City AM on the UK. “The price of homes in the City and its surrounds has slumped as the London market continues to chill, according to real estate firm Your Move. The research showed that house prices in the City fell 25.9 per cent in the year to April, although this was only on a small number of sales, while prices in Southwark dropped 19.1 per cent. A number of London boroughs have also seen big falls over the last 12 months, with house prices in Wandsworth down 13.1 per cent. Overall, 24 London boroughs have seen prices fall over the year, and just nine have seen them rise.”

From Homes & Property in the UK. “London house sellers are at last getting real: average asking prices have fallen in two out of three boroughs over the past year, according to a new study. Substantial falls have been witnessed in Hackney (3.7 per cent), Hammersmith and Fulham (3.9 per cent), and Ealing (4.5 per cent). There has been a significant 16.4 per cent increase in the number of houses and flats on sale in the capital over the past 12 months.”

“‘The goal posts have just moved,’ said Miles Shipside, Rightmove director. ‘Sellers in locations that have seen larger percentage increases in the number of available properties will have to price lower than properties they are competing against, as there are few better tactics than a bargain price to tempt buyers.’”

“Tom Page, manager of Fyfe Mcdade estate agents in Shoreditch, agreed. ‘There is no space for immature pricing in today’s market,’ he said. ‘There used to be an argument for pricing a property high and trying your luck. However, there are no longer enough buyers in the market for overpriced properties to get attention.’”

From ABC News in Australia. “There are few topics more contentious amongst economists, and at barbeques, than the direction of Australian home prices. But 2018 has marked a dramatic shift in that discussion. In the years between 2012 and 2017, most of the conversation centred on how high home prices could rise. Late last year discussion heated up on whether they might fall. Now that all the major indices are showing falling prices, with leading indicators like housing finance and auction clearance rates showing no signs of a bounce, 2018 has moved on to a discussion of how far house prices will fall.”

“On Monday, those UBS analysts put out a note warning that limits on debt-to-income ratios (DTIs) would further constrain mortgage lending and, therefore, home prices. UBS said APRA is looking at limiting the proportion of loans going to borrowers who have more than six times their annual income in debts. Given that the typical Sydney home is currently nine times the median income, while Melbourne is at eight, UBS argued such a limit would almost inevitably put further downward pressure on home prices as many potential buyers would not be eligible for a loan that was large enough.”

“For those who have been warning of an Australian housing bubble (myself included) this is a clear sign we are in one. If the market was not irrationally overvalued, there would be plenty of cashed-up value investors, not to mention would-be owner-occupiers, to step in and buy as prices fell. But if the main thing holding up demand and prices for expensive homes in Sydney and Melbourne is a belief that a large price fall is not possible, then you are firmly in bubble territory.”

From Nine News in Australia. “Sydney’s housing bubble looks set to finally – if not quite burst – at least deflate somewhat over the next two years. House prices across Greater Sydney have already fallen by 3.4 percent in the past 12 months – more than any other capital city apart from Darwin (where property values are down 7.7 percent). Sydney’s inner regions have seen the biggest price drops. The median value of a Sydney property currently sits at $875,816, but this has plunged sharply in key areas.”

“In Sydney’s CBD and inner south, house prices have fallen dramatically by 13.6 percent since their peak in June last year, while Ryde and the inner west have seen falls of just over 10 percent since August and March 2017 respectively. On the city’s North Shore, property values have fallen by 8.7 percent, while the Northern Beaches didn’t fare much better, recording a 7.5 percent drop since June last year. Western Sydney properties have seen smaller property price falls, with the inner south west, Parramatta, Blacktown and the Baulkham Hills/Hawkesbury regions all recording falls of between 5.9 and 6.8 percent.”

“Macquarie Securities economist Justin Fabo said while market corrections are always worrisome he believes the regulators would be largely delighted with the orderly cooling of housing markets so far. ‘To us the real risk is on the demand side,’ he said. He said if households were to lose faith in housing markets given still-elevated prices, the demand for credit could fall more than he expects. ‘The main thing to fear for Australian housing is fear itself,’ Mr Fabo said.”

“As property prices in Australia have climbed over the past few years, thousands of Australians desperate to get a foothold on the property ladder have used interest-only loans. But the interest-only period on these loans doesn’t last forever. Over the next three years, interest-only loans worth a combined total of about $360 billion will roll over to interest plus principal — and that means borrowers will face higher repayments.”

“For Queensland farm manager Hugh Mackey, 61, the switch to interest-plus-principal repayments may prove too much. He and his wife tried to build a retirement nest egg, buying two investment properties in the coal mining town of Blackwater in 2008, financed by almost half a million dollars in interest-only loans with ANZ. ‘I’m not sure I can retire at 65 the way things are going now,’ he said.”

“The town’s rental market has slumped, the houses have halved in value, and Mr Mackey is struggling to meet his loan repayments.”

“‘At the moment, with interest only, we’re forking out I think approximately $30,000 a year of our own money, separate to the rental income, to not default on the loans.’ Mr Mackey has never missed a payment so far, but this month his loans are switching over to principal-plus-interest. That means he’ll have to find another $12,000 every year to cover the mortgages. He is yet to speak to his bank. ‘If it gets serious and ugly, I presume they can probably bankrupt me,’ he said.”

“Even if he sells both investment properties, he has zero equity and may still owe ANZ about $250,000. He says he regrets ever buying the Blackwater houses. ‘It was probably the worst decision I’ve ever made in my life,’ he says.”

“It has become harder to refinance, with banks applying greater scrutiny to people’s debts and spending habits. By 2015, interest-only loans had grown to almost 40 per cent of outstanding housing credit in Australia. In March 2017, the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority put the brakes on, limiting interest-only lending by the banks to 30 per cent of new home loans. Earlier this month, official data showed new lending to property investors had fallen to its lowest level in two years.”

“But Australia is still exposed with these types of loans when compared to overseas markets. In the UK, 17.6 per cent of home loans are interest only. In the US, where interest-only loans played a role in the global financial crisis, lenders there have only recently started offering these types of loans again, but with extra safeguards.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-19 07:41:14

‘While much of San Francisco’s housing market continues on at its usual breakneck speed’

This is irrational. Just how can shacks go up at a ‘usual breakneck speed’? Do these writers even read what they type?

‘Even if he sells both investment properties, he has zero equity and may still owe ANZ about $250,000. He says he regrets ever buying the Blackwater houses. ‘It was probably the worst decision I’ve ever made in my life,’ he says.’

This is where jingle can jump in and tell us how great gambling on shacks is the best decision ever!

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-19 07:45:19

‘I’m not sure I can retire at 65 the way things are going now’

Jingle? Jingle?

Beuller?

Comment by BlackSwandive
2018-06-19 10:12:23

Supposedly Jingle already sold, so the money’s in the bag!

 
 
Comment by Mr. Banker
2018-06-19 08:57:07

“As property prices in Australia have climbed over the past few years, thousands of Australians desperate to get a foothold on the property ladder have used interest-only loans.

Interest only loans. 😁

“But the interest-only period on these loans doesn’t last forever. Over the next three years, interest-only loans worth a combined total of about $360 billion will roll over to interest plus principal — and that means borrowers will face higher repayments.”

😁

“For Queensland farm manager Hugh Mackey, 61, the switch to interest-plus-principal repayments may prove too much. He and his wife tried to build a retirement nest egg, buying two investment properties in the coal mining town of Blackwater in 2008, financed by almost half a million dollars in interest-only loans with ANZ. ‘I’m not sure I can retire at 65 the way things are going now,’ he said.”

Oh, but I probably will be able to. 😁

“The town’s rental market has slumped, the houses have halved in value, and Mr Mackey is struggling to meet his loan repayments.”

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

“‘At the moment, with interest only, we’re forking out I think approximately $30,000 a year of our own money, separate to the rental income, to not default on the loans.’ Mr Mackey has never missed a payment so far, but this month his loans are switching over to principal-plus-interest. That means he’ll have to find another $12,000 every year to cover the mortgages. He is yet to speak to his bank. ‘If it gets serious and ugly, I presume they can probably bankrupt me,’ he said.”

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

“Even if he sells both investment properties, he has zero equity and may still owe ANZ about $250,000. He says he regrets ever buying the Blackwater houses.

😁

“It has become harder to refinance, with banks applying greater scrutiny to people’s debts and spending habits. By 2015, interest-only loans had grown to almost 40 per cent of outstanding housing credit in Australia. In March 2017, the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority put the brakes on, limiting interest-only lending by the banks to 30 per cent of new home loans. Earlier this month, official data showed new lending to property investors had fallen to its lowest level in two years.”

Austrailia: Another nation filled with dummies.

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-19 09:11:57

‘If it gets serious and ugly, I presume they can probably bankrupt me’ Even if he sells both investment properties, he has zero equity and may still owe ANZ about $250,000′

Hugh, you are already bankrupt.

Comment by Boo Randy
2018-06-19 10:28:54

“They” didn’t bankrupt you, Hugh. That was all you, Flipper Boy.

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Comment by Boo Randy
2018-06-19 10:52:11

Mr Mackey has never missed a payment so far, but this month his loans are switching over to principal-plus-interest. That means he’ll have to find another $12,000 every year to cover the mortgages. He is yet to speak to his bank.

Cue the voice of Col Kurtz: “The schlonging…the schlonging….”

 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2018-06-19 15:06:45

360 billion dollars of interest only loans coming due in Australia just in the next few years. God knows how many in all in a country with a small fraction of our population. Well played Mr. Banker, well played.

Comment by Mr. Banker
2018-06-19 18:23:33

Thank you.

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Comment by oxide
2018-06-20 05:29:09

Mr. Banker played it well only if the Australian government foams the runway for him. Is Aus decides to do what Iceland did, than Mr. Banker is toast.

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Comment by rms
2018-06-20 06:14:29

Better add another shot to your morning latte. :)

 
 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2018-06-20 06:30:00

Don’t conflate Jingle with this idiot in Aus. Jingle bought low, rented to cover carrying costs, and is currently selling high. Which is what you’re supposed to do. This idiot in Aus bought high — with an I/O loan no less — and is going to lose his shirt.

Not much parallel there.

 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-06-20 08:28:08

“Jingle? Jingle?”

He’s underwater and sinking.

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-19 07:43:32

‘Tom Page, manager of Fyfe Mcdade estate agents in Shoreditch, agreed. ‘There is no space for immature pricing in today’s market,’ he said. ‘There used to be an argument for pricing a property high and trying your luck. However, there are no longer enough buyers in the market for overpriced properties to get attention.’

Yep, behold loan owners! You are now being scolded by the UHS for not taking an a$$-pounding to get the sale done. Not what they were telling you a year ago, eh?

 
Comment by CryptoNick
2018-06-19 07:45:16

Is this scathing report the death knell for bitcoin?
By Michael Hiltzik
Jun 18, 2018 | 12:40 PM
Is this scathing report the death knell for bitcoin?
Shown is a bitcoin display from a computer conference in Taiwan this month. (Ritchie B. Tongo / EPA / Shutterstock)

As if bitcoin fans didn’t have enough to worry about these days, a widely respected international bank has just published a scathing analysis of the cryptocurrency questioning whether it ever will be more than a fad — and a costly fad for its adherents.

The report by the Swiss-based Bank for International Settlements doesn’t present any particularly novel questions about bitcoin and related virtual currencies. But it brings together all the existing questions and validates them, with facts and figures.

The BIS says its goal was to look “beyond the hype” of bitcoin. What it found was a currency-like system that can’t handle a scaling up of transactions, can’t provide the trustworthiness required for a functioning currency, and requires so much computing power to keep track of exchanges that it already has become “an environmental disaster.”

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-bitcoin-bank-20180618-story.html

Comment by Mr. Banker
2018-06-19 09:44:39

“The BIS says its goal was to look “beyond the hype” of bitcoin.”

Why I, myself did that, I looked beyond the hype of bitcoin and I found … I found that there was nuthin there.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2018-06-19 15:15:19

Really MR. Bankers had did you get less than 25 million people get so far in debt that they have 360 billion dollars in interest only loans coming due in three years. On a per capita basis, they put us to “shame”. You must be very proud of the Australians.

Comment by Mr. Banker
2018-06-19 18:22:18

I did not get anyone in debt. This is something they did for themselves.

I merely laid out a few sheets of paper that had some rather interesting words printed on them and (amazingly!) they signed their names on the dotted lines.

I did supply the pen though.

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Comment by Boo Randy
2018-06-19 19:25:10

Please tell me the FBs got Spiderman towels as well.

 
 
 
 
Comment by BlackSwandive
2018-06-19 10:19:16

Since Bitcoin’s been rising the past few days, I’m not sure this article had any effect whatsoever.

The crypto Kool-Aid is so strong that it will take a complete collapse below $1,000 to shake their faith. Remember, we’re still near last November’s price, which was triple that of a few months prior.

Comment by BlueSkye
2018-06-19 19:23:02

It’s worthless, so analysis is also worthless.

 
 
Comment by Boo Randy
2018-06-19 19:35:53

Another day, another “secure” Bitcoin exchange hacked, this time for $30 million dollars worth of the scam currency.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-19/cryptos-tumble-after-south-koreas-bithumb-exchange-hacked

Comment by oxide
2018-06-20 06:31:39

Heh, I’m starting to wonder if it’s the bitcoin exchange owners who are hacking the exchanges themselves, and lining their own pockets with the proceeds.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-06-19 07:54:11

“That means that right now sellers in that segment are rapidly slashing prices, trying to get buyers’ attention before the summer slowdown hits. In fact, 22 of the 34 price reductions between May 7 and June 7 were for homes priced above $2 million, according to Paragon Real Estate. There’s another good reason for big cuts—some up to $1 million—in the luxury market. These properties are more likely to be overpriced to begin with.”

This sucker could go down.

– George W. Bush

Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-06-19 07:56:34

“…before the summer slowdown hits.”

Is that a thing in red hot markets, where real estate always goes up?

Comment by taxpayers
2018-06-19 08:03:27

how about nuclear winter
I’m calling 4th qtr 2019 recession

CALLED IT !

Comment by In Colorado
2018-06-19 09:02:18

If you’re right we can all look forward to President Running Deer moving into the White House.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-19 09:09:31

Right after that DNA test.

On second thought: if we are in a recession, just how likely am I to vote for someone who would go back to shipping jobs overseas, borrowing money to protect rich “allies”, give citizenship to millions and bring in millions more who will work for peanuts or flop out on welfare?

 
Comment by Boo Randy
2018-06-19 10:32:40

Will Fauxahontus, the so-faux “Champion of the Middle Class” pick that other self-described fighter for “us” AKA Screech, as her running mate? I can think of few things more retchworthy than that particular ticket.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2018-06-19 10:36:23

if we are in a recession, just how likely am I to vote for someone who …

It worked the last time a nasty recession started under the GOP’s watch. People even voted for a candidate whose citizenship was under question and didn’t seem to care about his race or that he attended a Madrassa in Indonesia. Senator Running Deer is a very real possibility, I fear.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-19 10:45:43

I don’t. My old work boots could have beat that senile crackpot McCain.

 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-06-19 11:39:24

Debt Donkeys love to be herded by Senatard Running Deer.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2018-06-19 11:40:28

Well, sure, you and millions of others didn’t vote for Obama, but enough people did … twice. Of course, the GOP’s candidates at the time didn’t help. If the crash many here on this blog salivate over comes to pass, Senator Running Deer could become “Madame President”

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-19 12:15:14

I’m not eager for a crash, just watching it. Anything can happen in elections. But it’s worth remembering that Screech was run as Obama’s third term, but without a penis! A lot has changed in politics in the past few years. All over the world.

Michael Moore Puts Obama’s Legacy In Sad, Simple Terms
The Young Turks
1M views3 years ago
“Political documentarian Michael Moore has repeatedly expressed his frustrations with President Obama, but this week he really stuck the knife in, saying in an interview that Obama will be remember…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMuuaO-YLKE

 
Comment by brazendetre
2018-06-19 14:12:22

“but without a penis!”

You sure about that? This is the party of freaks and degenerates you’re talking about. They can be 1 or more of 64 possible genders. We’re talking star trek type creatures.

 
Comment by rms
2018-06-19 15:28:17

People with gender dysphoria…

 
 
Comment by BlackSwandive
2018-06-19 10:22:22

4th quarter 2019 is way too late. I think we’ll be in a recession by the first quarter of next year.

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Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-06-19 10:59:47

Rumple,

We’ve been in recession for a decade or more.

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Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-06-19 07:57:03

Danville, CA Rental Rates Crater 7% YOY On Falling Housing Prices As National Housing Inventory Hits Record High

https://www.zillow.com/wellesley-ma/home-values/

*Select price from dropdown menu on rental chart

 
Comment by taxpayers
2018-06-19 07:58:07

million dollar listing NYC show is all about price chopping- and looks like it was recorded last winter

 
Comment by taxpayers
2018-06-19 08:00:07

The space force will save 22151 / N VA and Oxide too

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-19 08:04:46

You’re fooked McWhinny:

“Sellers and prospective buyers at times had a difficult mating ritual in May across the Northern Virginia real estate market, with the result being a year-over-year decline in overall sales. One trend popping up across the region? Buyers are coming into the market with a ’stop-and-go mentality,’ said Gary Lange, managing broker of the Vienna office of Weichert, Realtors.”

“Clients are ‘hot and heavy’ when they begin the search for a new home, then go cold quickly, Lange said. ‘Some of that may be due to a lack of inventory, they are looking for a deal, or they just don’t have a serious need to buy,’ Lange said. That lack of inventory created a feeding frenzy earlier in the year, but the dynamics are changing slightly, with cases of buyers’ remorse impacting the market.”

“‘Sometimes buyers have successfully bid for a home, then realize the home really isn’t for them or they paid to much,’ Lange said. ‘It is easy to get caught up in the moment when a buyer makes a hasty decision about a home for fear of losing that opportunity.’”

“Buyers feeling trapped after signing a purchase agreement at times have been backing out over minor home-inspection issues, said Lange, who suggested those in the industry needed to step in and have all parties focus on the big picture. ‘Agents must counsel buyers and sellers about the way the housing market works,’ he said.”

http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=10464

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-19 08:06:45

From the same post:

The Press Democrat in California. “Home prices rose to new highs in Sonoma County in May, when the median hit a record $692,250, but there are indications the unrelenting price increases may be starting to test buyers’ limits. Over the past six years, the median price has more than doubled, climbing from $329,000 in May 2012. Last month, the median jumped nearly 11 percent, compared to a year ago. Before the crash, the median price hit a high of $619,000 in August 2005, then plunged to a low of $305,000 in February 2009. The 2005 high wasn’t surpassed until March 2017, when the median hit $635,000. New record prices since have been set six more times — before May, the most recent occasion was in February at $689,000.”

“Bill Facendini, president and broker of Terra Firma Global Partners in Santa Rosa, said in the past three months a significant number of sellers have reduced prices of properties after failing to initially land buyers. Sellers typically try to keep raising prices above what their neighbors obtained in recent sales, he said. But buyers these days seem less inclined to pay the higher amounts. ‘They don’t feel that need right now,’ Facendini said. He called it a sign that the market is in transition and price appreciation could slow, if not level off.”

“Lisa Thomas, an agent with Pacific Union in Santa Rosa, said buyers seem more cautious about overpaying. Also, those that have been looking since winter now have more choices, as additional homes have come to market this spring.”

Golly, a bunch of these “usual breakneck speeds” are hitting a brick wall.

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-19 08:08:25

‘Sellers and prospective buyers at times had a difficult mating ritual’

Don’t get fooked in the mating ritual.

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Comment by Boo Randy
2018-06-19 10:33:53

Buyers got schlonged. There was no courtship, affection, or lube.

 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-06-19 17:11:34

There was plenty of lube, courtesy of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and other providers of federally guaranteed financing.

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-19 08:18:26

‘in the past three months a significant number of sellers have reduced prices of properties after failing to initially land buyers’

Waa? Shortage! Also, read the entire story to see how hosed are the people who are trying to sell burned lots.

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Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-06-19 08:21:14

“people who are trying to sell burned lots.”

Most of the time you can give away land. That’s why it’s better known as ‘worthless dirt’.

 
 
Comment by taxpayers
2018-06-19 08:29:01

past 6 years
wake me up when prices exceed 2006 by 20%-
then you are at par w the last peak -inflation adjusted

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Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-19 08:37:39

‘wake me up when…’

‘If it gets serious and ugly, I presume they can probably bankrupt me’ Even if he sells both investment properties, he has zero equity and may still owe ANZ about $250,000. He says he regrets ever buying the Blackwater houses. ‘It was probably the worst decision I’ve ever made in my life’

Hugh got woke recently. Problem is it’s too late. Probably best to keep your eyes open Rumpelstiltskin.

 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-06-19 08:38:18

Irrelevant.

What inflation?

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-19 08:41:40

‘BARGAINING: We want life returned to what is was. We want to go back in time, stop the accident from happening…if only, if only, if only. Guilt is often bargaining’s companion…We will do anything not to feel the pain of this loss. We remain in the past, trying to negotiate our way out of the hurt. People often think of the stages as lasting weeks or months. They forget that the stages are responses to feelings that can last for minutes or hours as we flip in and out of one and then another. We do not enter and leave each individual stage in a linear fashion. We may feel one, then another and back again to the first one.’

https://grief.com/the-five-stages-of-grief/

 
Comment by b for banker
2018-06-19 18:03:29

unfortunately, Seattle is much more than 20% above the 2007 peak. It will be a very slow, long decline as there is still a lot of $s coming in

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-06-19 08:01:22

Casual observation: The pace of bubble and bust cycles plays out like paint dries. It is very hard to detect a parabolic price movement or subsequent collapse by watching the day-to-day fluctuations in asset prices.

Perhaps this explains why the Fed claims to only be able to spot bubbles in hindsight.

Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2018-06-19 14:01:29

“the Fed claims to only be able to $pot bubble$ in hindsight.”

The water$ flow$ over the tub rim
Onto the floor$ it goe$
drip$, drip$, drip$
Down the floor level$ it goe$

$uddenly, a choru$ exclaim$:

“hey, what’$ dripping from the ceiling onto our Martini’$”?

 
 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-06-19 08:13:42

Potomac Falls, VA Housing Prices Crater 17% YOY As NoVa/DC Housing Market Tanks

https://www.movoto.com/potomac-falls-va/market-trends/

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-19 08:14:08

‘housing inventory is at it’s highest peak since 2008. ‘We had a little bit more in 2008. But it’s definitely the highest since then,’ Darcy Torhjelm said. ‘There’s lots to choose from in just about every category. I’m not seeing prices dropping drastically.’

That’s probably why you are up to your eyeballs in shacks Darcy.

‘every category’

Hmmm,and just yesterday we were told by a poster that this is just a luxury thing.

Comment by jeff
2018-06-19 08:21:02

‘housing inventory is at it’s highest peak since 2008.”

“I’m not seeing prices dropping drastically.’

That happened in 2009.

Comment by Neuromance
2018-06-19 17:14:25

While the rising prices have begun to affect the affordability home purchases for many, it has increased household net worth among those who already own. Aggregate net worth reached $100 trillion for the first time in the first quarter as gains in home equity and other components compensated for the first drop in stock market wealth in 10 quarters.Mortgage News Daily

And those sweet, sweet property taxes for politicians magically increase as well too.

Subtle purchasing power capture is an art form.

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-19 08:30:53

‘Further tension in U.S.-China relations could end up hurting some iconic U.S. companies the most, said Jim O’Neill, an economist and the chairman of think tank Chatham House.’

“I often say to people that America’s most iconic modern company, Apple, has for three years sold more iPhones to Greater China than it has to the U.S. So ultimately, if the U.S. genuinely takes this kind of belligerent stance, it’s going to be the U.S.’ best-growing companies that will suffer,” O’Neill told CNBC.’

Sounds like Apple is a Chinese company Jim. Makes walkie talkies there, sells them there. Just move there entirely and do us all a favor.

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-19 08:33:25

Oh, it’s a bunch of “royal” worshiping globalists.

https://www.chathamhouse.org/#

 
 
Comment by taxpayers
2018-06-19 08:32:46

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gD4p86GCJbE/TYq2osZqyDI/AAAAAAAAAgw/Kqvft9Q3lW0/s1600/Woman6.jpg

Oxide has joined the Space Force

When Trumpf said “separate but equal” everyone sht

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-06-19 08:47:17

The actual Donk Craterton?

https://youtu.be/gROO7xSTxfY

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-19 10:34:34

Someone was talking about safe guvmint jobs yesterday:

NSW budget: soft housing market takes $5.5bn toll on revenue
The Australian-3 hours ago
The housing market slowdown will cost the state $5.5 billion over the next three years and lead to a $1bn miss in this year’s forecast revenue. In a dire warning to …

Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-06-19 17:17:44

Do they have a printing press in Oz?

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Comment by brazendetre
2018-06-19 14:35:54

Its going to take a lot of math skills. Donks need not apply.

Maybe 1 woman for every 30 men, except for “muh diversity” hires who will look like men but lack any critical thinking skills and compensate with anger and faux vulgarity.

Orbital mechanics, yo. Cant be filling yo pretty head with all that painful maffs.

Comment by oxide
2018-06-20 06:35:02

I learned about orbitals in grad school, but not in the way that you’re thinking.

 
 
 
Comment by Apartment 401
2018-06-19 08:38:30

6 Reasons Housing Is About To Become Even More Unaffordable:

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b27c1f1e4b056b2263c621e

Realtors are liars.

Comment by cactus
2018-06-19 11:48:50

2. America Isn’t Building Enough Homes

Before the recession, America built around 1.1 million new homes per year. In its best year since, the country built just 849,000.

This makes no sense. Though the American population has been growing steadily, there are now fewer homes on the market than in any year since 1982. Despite seemingly bottomless demand, the construction of apartment buildings fell by 10 percent last year. ‘

I think they mean enough cheap homes. Homes are expensive to maintain build cheap homes and they will just fall apart in a few years.

then what ?

Comment by oxide
2018-06-19 13:31:26

Also I’m old enough to remember when “homes” meant an SFH with a yard. But now they can build 800 condoze on an acre and call them “homes.” I wonder if apartments count as homes?

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-06-19 13:55:43

It’s all inventory Donk.

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Comment by Ethan in Northern VA
2018-06-19 13:56:31

They will when all these “luxury” apartment buildings are sold as condos for nosebleed prices.

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Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2018-06-19 14:09:01

“I wonder if apartment$ count as home$?”

This is how they labeled/marketed:

Welcome to your new: Apartment Home!

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Comment by Carl Morris
2018-06-19 13:53:39

Though the American population has been growing steadily, there are now fewer homes on the market than in any year since 1982

There will always appear to be a shortage until it no longer pays to speculate.

 
Comment by MacBeth
2018-06-19 17:11:00

The key phrase, guys, is “on the market”.

There may very well be a shortage of “on the market” inventory.

That said, there is definitely NO shortage of domiciles. There’s empty crap all over the country. Empty McMansions. Empty “second homes”. Empty “vacation homes”. Empty condos. Empty apartments.

Many of those empty domiciles are in fact “owned” and/or “mortgaged”. They are not “on the market”. They are traded among “investors” and hedge funds.

They may never be made available for sale in the general marketplace.

Comment by Apartment 401
2018-06-19 19:25:51

Realtors are liars.

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Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-06-19 11:16:50

Kenmore, WA Housing Prices Crater 9% YOY As Seattle Economy Seizes Up

https://www.movoto.com/kenmore-wa/market-trends/

Comment by redmondjp
2018-06-19 15:32:51

What exactly is it that you are smoking there Haystacks AKA Mortgage Watch AKA Mafia Blocks . . .

I bet you have never even been to Seattle and couldn’t find Kenmore if somebody put a gun to your head.

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-06-19 16:28:49

Falling prices are what they are my good friend. ;)

Bellevue WA Housing Prices Crater 13% YOY

https://www.movoto.com/bellevue-wa/market-trends/

 
 
 
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Comment by MacBeth
2018-06-19 17:13:57

B…b…but….we had posters on this very HBB who exclaimed that California was in the black just a few years as a result of Jerry Brown’s efforts!

And guess what? I remember who those posters were.

 
 
Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2018-06-19 14:19:34

Linda Ronstadt $ingin’: “poor, poor pitiful me”

Angelo Mozilo has identified the real victim of the housing bubble: Him

By Steve Goldstein. Published: June 19, 2018

Mozilo does not share that opinion. In an interview with The Wall Street Journal’s Christina Rexrode, Mozilo said it was the liquidity crunch that was to blame, and “not subprime mortgages, not Countrywide, not Angelo Mozilo.”

“Well I lay my head on the railroad track
Waiting on the Double E
But the train don’t run by here no more
Poor poor pitiful me”

 
Comment by Taxpayers
2018-06-19 14:53:47

So how far will prices fall?

 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-06-19 17:30:40

Did the tariff tantrum schlong your stock market HODLings?

Dow closes lower for a 6th straight session as tariff tantrum drags stock market lower
By Mark DeCambre and Ryan Vlastelica
Published: June 19, 2018 4:56 p.m. ET
Dow turns negative for 2018, down 0.1% year to date
Reuters
China’s Ministry of Commerce spokesperson Gao Feng attends a news conference in Beijing Tuesday.

U.S. stocks finished in the red on Tuesday, albeit off session lows, as investors shed stocks following President Donald Trump’s late-Monday threat to slap an additional $400 billion in tariffs on China goods. The announcement represented the latest escalation in a tit-for-tat dispute between the No. 1 and 2 largest economies in the world, rattling investors.

Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2018-06-19 18:34:47

Only the triple “A”‘$ trading$ team is running the ba$e$ in the $ummer league, the big.button$ pushing boy$ won’t $tart $winging until after labor$ day.

$tay tuned!

 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-06-19 21:18:52

Russia cuts Treasury holdings in half as foreigners start losing appetite for US debt
- Foreign governments have pared back their holdings of U.S. debt, reducing the total by nearly $10 billion in March and April.
- Russia was notable among the group stepping back with a nearly 50 percent cut.
- The U.S. government needs buyers of its debt as the Fed continues to reduce its holdings and the budget deficit is projected to surge in coming years.
Jeff Cox | @JeffCoxCNBCcom
Published 11:30 AM ET Mon, 18 June 2018 Updated 2:41 PM ET Mon, 18 June 2018

 
 
Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2018-06-19 18:47:29

Free trade! Free trade! Free trade!

Oh, Canada!

Canada just legalized marijuana. That has big implication$ for US drug policy.
It’s the second country in the world to legalize pot, following Uruguay.

By German Lopez on June 19, 2018 / Vox

Canada has become the first wealthy nation in the world to fully legalize marijuana.

The Senate approved Bill C-45, also known as the Cannabis Act, on Tuesday. The measure was already approved by the House of Commons, so the Senate’s approval means it’s now set to become law.
The measure legalizes marijuana possession, home growing, and sales for adults. The federal government will oversee remaining criminal sanctions (for, say, selling to minors) and the licensing of producers, while provincial governments will manage sales, distribution, and related regulations — as such, provinces will be able to impose tougher rules, such as raising the minimum age. The statute largely follows recommendations made by a federal task force on marijuana legalization.

Comment by Mr. Banker
2018-06-20 04:37:47

Oh Canada …

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

https://youtu.be/aYHDzrdXHEA

 
Comment by oxide
2018-06-20 07:16:27

That 45th parallel is about to get a LOT more interesting.

 
 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-06-19 19:24:35

Hillsboro Beach, FL Housing Prices Crater 11% YOY On Rampant Mortgage Fraud

https://www.movoto.com/hillsboro-beach-fl/market-trends/

 
Comment by Boo Randy
2018-06-19 19:52:17

Oh dear. Looks like ten million Chinese “investors” in a shadow banking Ponzi may have just been fleeced.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-19/80-billion-yuan-3-year-old-online-lending-platform-10-million-users-implodes-may-be

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-19 20:01:23

‘Others invested hoping to save up for a home. One homebuyer is closing on a house and their downpayment is locked up: The maximum amount invested by the investors who reported on the scene was nearly 3 million yuan, and small investors also invested tens of thousands of yuan. “This is the money I bought for the house. The deposit for the house was paid. There are days to expire. Now the money is not available.” An investor reluctantly said, “The day before yesterday put 50,000 yuan yesterday. With 10,000 yuan, it will be able to arrive quickly, but it is not enough to withdraw it today.” Most investors’ investments are due in the near future. This is why many investors have not mentioned it before.’

‘The recent Chairman of the China Banking Regulatory Commission, Guo Shuqing, said: “In the fight against illegal fundraising, efforts should be made to make people realize that high-income means high risk and that the rate of return exceeding 6% will be questioned, exceeding 8%. Is very dangerous, more than 10% will be prepared to lose all of the principal.”

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-06-19 20:18:48

‘more than 10% will be prepared to lose all of the principal’

‘Flip It Good! Top 10 Home-Flipping Hotbeds Where Profits Are Through the Roof
By Lance Lambert | May 23, 2018′

‘Florida and California dominated our initial rankings. In total, these two states had five of the top 10 and 17 of the top 30 markets for flipping. To give readers a better view of where flipping has taken off around the country, we limited our ranking to two metros per state.’

‘Now let’s go to the places where home flippers make it rain.’

https://www.realtor.com/news/trends/top-markets-for-home-flippers/

Florida and California. Have flippers ever run into trouble in those states?

 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-06-19 23:54:50

“…more than 10% will be prepared to lose all of the principal.”

Where does $h!tcoin rank on that scale?

Comment by BlueSkye
2018-06-20 07:12:32

Right now it’s about minus 75%. Almost there.

Poor, poor Alphonso.

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Comment by jeff
2018-06-20 02:45:59

I have seen some bad acting in my time but they are taking it to a whole new level.

Rachel Maddow Breaks Down in Tears Delivering News of Migrant Babies Being Detained

by Tamar Auber | 10:49 pm, June 19th, 2018

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/rachel-maddow-breaks-down-on-air-delivering-news-of-migrant-babies-being-detained/

 
 
Comment by jeff
2018-06-20 06:43:29

This acting lesson was specially picked out for Rachel Maddow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9-PjBTn7Ec

 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-06-20 06:46:22

What makes you think she doesn’t genuinely feel sad reporting that sad, sad story?

 
 
Comment by Mr. Banker
2018-06-20 08:05:38

Yeah, well Jonothan Swift one time long, long ago offered up a modest proposal to handle such situations.

Go here …

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal

Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-06-20 16:20:26

Surprisingly, the Grumpy Oldman’s Party didn’t go there. Time for a tactical retreat to appease angry voters, even though Swift’s Modest Proposal would have been more in tune with the wantonly mean spirited policies they favor.

 
 
 
Comment by Mr. Banker
Comment by Carl Morris
2018-06-20 11:28:54

But Walgreens has opioids.

 
 
Comment by Boo Randy
2018-06-20 05:04:52

Housing has become priced out of reach for most Americans. Heckova job, Ben & Janet.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-state-of-the-nations-housing-stagnant-unequal-far-too-expensive-2018-06-19

 
Comment by Boo Randy
2018-06-20 05:08:51

$2.6M for a 900 sq ft cottage in Palo Alto, CA. Even the permabull shills of the MSM are calling this nuts.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/home-price-insanity-2-6-million-for-900-square-feet/

Comment by jeff
2018-06-20 07:06:05

Anyone looking to buy in Palo Alto, CA. right now has that coming to them and more.

 
 
Comment by Boo Randy
2018-06-20 05:19:22

Average Denver SFH up $171K in four years, yet wages have stagnated. Seems sustainable to me.

http://www.westword.com/news/denver-average-single-family-home-prices-june-2018-10416811

Comment by rms
2018-06-20 06:41:08

“Seems sustainable to me.”

+1 Click your heels three times, “There’s no place like home.”

 
 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-06-20 06:27:39

Falls Church, VA 22046 Housing Prices Crater 14% YOY As Desperate NoVA Home Sellers Slash Prices

https://www.zillow.com/falls-church-va-22046/home-values/

*Select price from dropdown menu on first chart

 
Comment by Boo Randy
2018-06-20 06:38:52

The MSM permabull touts and shills have evidently hired the former Iraqi Propaganda Minister, Baghdad Bob, to assist in crafting The Narrative that no matter how much our purchasing power is being debased and our standards of living are dropping, Everything is Awesome - Buy Moar Stawks!

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/higher-gas-prices-hurt-but-not-as-much-as-they-used-to-heres-why-2018-06-19

Comment by OneAgainstMany
2018-06-20 08:58:04
 
 
Comment by Boo Randy
2018-06-20 06:41:29

’70s style stagflation? Inconceivable! says the Fed. (Given the Fed’s track record on economic prognostication, somehow this fails to reassure me.)

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/powell-says-us-economy-not-on-verge-of-repeating-the-inflation-of-the-1970s-2018-06-20?mod=bnbh

 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-06-20 06:49:10

Are you snapping up the stock market’s dead cat bounce today?

 
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