July 11, 2018

It’s Back To Reality

A report from CBC News in Canada. “House prices declined in much of the Greater Toronto Area in the second quarter of this year, particularly in Richmond Hill, Markham and Vaughan, according to Royal LePage. The aggregate house price in Richmond Hill fell 12.4 per cent in Richmond Hill year-over-year to $1,132,722, while the aggregate house price dropped 8.8 per cent in Markham year-over-year to $1,004,095 and dropped 6 per cent in Vaughan year-over-year to $1,011,913. CEO Phil Soper blamed the sluggish market in much of the GTA on the federal mortgage stress test imposed in January 2018, which he said has reduced the borrowing power of buyers and forced them to lower their expectations. The rules have slowed the market particularly in suburban Toronto, with prices he described as ‘very soft.’”

From Bloomberg. “Canada set out to cool a hot housing market, and did it ever. Sales of homes above C$1 million (S$1.03 million) fell 46 per cent in Toronto and 19 per cent in Vancouver from a year earlier, while the number of homes sold above C$4 million dropped 51 per cent in Toronto and 47 per cent in Vancouver. In Toronto, on the other hand, sales of condos above C$1 million dropped 13 per cent to 658 units. Sales of condos over C$4 million slumped even more, down 40 per cent.”

The Edmonton Journal. “Edmonton’s housing market inventory has reached a 10-year high, according to Royal LePage. This kind of a surplus hasn’t been seen since the 2008 global financial crisis, the company said. Royal LePage Noralta Real Estate broker Tom Shearer said that while Edmonton’s current buyers’ market is a ’sign of the times,’ sellers shouldn’t despair. ‘Sellers just have to be super competitive in pricing their homes. There’s no room for error in overpricing a home,’ he said.”

From CBC News. “Sales of Calgary homes listed for more than $1 million have dropped sharply in the first half of this year compared with last year, says a Sotheby’s International Realty. The report also notes that mounting supply and slumping demand have put downward pressure on prices for higher-end single, attached and condo homes in Calgary. Brad Henderson, with Sotheby’s International Realty Canada, says that with an increased supply of homes in Calgary priced over $1 million, it’s a buyer’s market right now.”

“‘I think there was premature optimism in the market and people were thinking that things were getting better and that gave them confidence to go out and buy properties, but what we’ve seen as of late is that the properties are staying on the market a little longer,’ he said. ‘People are taking them off the market as they are not getting the price they want, so the activity level has subsided relative to last year.’”

The Regina Leader Post. “It’s the so-called perfect storm for the Calgary housing market, with the city still climbing out of the recession, high unemployment rates, sagging confidence and government regulatory intervention holding the market at levels not seen since the 2008 financial crisis. But, we’re not alone – the Calgary Real Estate Board (CREB) says many other Canadian energy-related municipalities in Alberta and Saskatchewan have had struggling housing markets over the past few years, resulting in price declines.”

“‘While our economy is no longer in a recession, persistently high unemployment rates, concerns over long-term growth, rising lending costs and stricter qualifications are all weighing on the housing demand,’ says CREB chief economist Ann-Marie Lurie. ‘Growth in new listings is starting to ease for some property types, but it is not enough to prevent continued supply growth and, ultimately, an oversupplied housing market.’”

The Goldstream Gazette. “A Langford development and property management company is cautiously proceeding as the speculation tax looms. Mayor Stew Young said he will continue to fight for Langford’s exclusion. He has received letters from U.S. residents informing him they are writing to their respective governors to push a 20 per cent tax on Canadians that have vacation homes in the U.S.”

“Some of that can be seen in the softening of the housing market at Bear Mountain, Young noted, as Albertans sell their second homes. Plans for new projects on the West Shore are also starting to slow as the market softens. ‘It’s just starting to happen now, I lived through the downturn in ‘08, and it’s happening,”’ Young said.”

“Blake MacKenzie, vice president of NorthWest Vacation Rental Professionals, said his business took a hit when the empty homes tax took effect in Vancouver 2017. ‘A lot of these [secondary] homes aren’t affordable, they are above that, so it’s not impacting affordability because a $3 million home on the water is not for somebody who can’t find a place to live,’ he said.”

The Star Vancouver. “In the past six months, realtors working across Metro Vancouver say they’ve seen market conditions go from highly competitive multiple offers and condo pre-sale lineups, to falling prices and developers offering up to $100,000 ‘bonuses’ in an attempt to lure buyers. The correction is taking some time to work through the market, but the realtors pinpoint April as the month when conditions began to change. ‘My advice to sellers is, it’s not 2017 anymore,’ said Ian Watt, a realtor with Sothebys. ‘It’s back to reality.’”

“Steve Saretsky, a realtor with Sutton Group West Coast, estimates Vancouver condo prices have declined four to five per cent since the peak of the market in January 2018. But as inventory continues to build because of the dramatic drop in sales, a much bigger price correction could be on the way, Saretsky warned. ‘Prices are always sticky on the way down,’ he said. ‘Fifty per cent of listings today are recycled,’ meaning that the property has been listed, removed, and re-listed, usually with a change in price. ‘It’s almost like price discovery: what is my home worth.’”

The Huffington Post. “You’ve likely heard about the slowdown in the once-hot housing markets in Toronto and Vancouver, but what you may not know is that — unlike with many other aspects of the economy — virtually all the data about housing comes from the industry itself. In the face of a slowdown that’s hitting realtors right in the pocketbook, we have word that maybe some of the data these realtors are providing may not be all that reliable.”

“A recent article in the Globe and Mail (behind a subscriber paywall) flags a disturbing trend: Realtors in the struggling detached home market in Vancouver are ‘recycling’ listings — pulling homes that aren’t selling off the market, then bringing them back as supposedly ‘new’ listings at a lower price: ‘[A] newly built house at 296 N. Gamma Ave. in Burnaby’s Capitol Hill was first listed on Oct. 13, 2016, at $2.599-million. The listing expired seven times and reappeared at a lower price until it sold this past January for $1,999,888. The listing agent boasted on his website that the house only took 89 days to sell at the asking price of $1,999,888. He made no mention on his website that the house had been listed and relisted several times, for more than a year, and had come down in price by $600,000.’”

“Vancouver realtor Aaron Best justified the lack of information in the Globe article like this: If a house sits on the market for long, ‘there tends to be a certain type of buyer who starts sniffing around, so they think maybe your client is desperate now or maybe there’s something wrong with the property.’”

“In other words, you get offers from people trying to get a better deal on their home! How shocking! How outrageous! How DARE they?”

From Global News. “Laura Gillanders would like to meet the neighbours a few doors away from her Richmond rental home but in six years she’s only seen one sign of life. ‘About three years ago, I did see somebody here in the summer and I saw them leaving with a suitcase,’ she told Global News. ‘I was like, ‘Oh, do you live here?’ And they just said they are going to the airport and didn’t talk so that was the only time I’ve ever seen anybody here. It’s just a shame to leave a house sitting empty for six years, it should be rented out.’”

“Longtime city councillor Harold Steves estimates Richmond has some 500 vacant homes, including two in his own Steveston neighbourhood. ‘It is a provincewide problem all the way through all of Metro Vancouver and it should be solved as a provincial problem, rather than a local one,’ said Steves, who wants to see an expanded empty homes’ tax.”

From Castanet. “For more than a decade, the B.C. Liberal government chose to ignore a cycle of money laundering linked to organized crime, the overdose crisis, the red-hot real estate market and skyrocketing housing costs. Attorney General David Eby released an anti-money laundering report, commissioned by our government and authored by former RCMP Deputy Commissioner Peter German.”

“That independent review details large-scale, trans-national money laundering that has been happening at an alarming rate in B.C. casinos. British Columbians saw disturbing footage of bags of money being dropped off at casinos with the express purpose of being cleaned up. Despite being warned multiple times about these activities, the former B.C. Liberal government didn’t care.”

“It could have been a scene from a mobster movie, but it was real life. B.C. casinos have unwittingly become laundromats for an infusion of dirty money into the province. Organized crime used something often called the ‘Vancouver model’ to take advantage of Lower Mainland casinos and other sectors of the B.C. economy – including real estate – to launder money. German describes the money-laundering situation in B.C. as a ‘collective system failure.’ The situation worsened year over year.”

“Instead of accepting responsibility for this failure, the B.C. Liberals have blamed everyone but themselves. And when they were criticized for their 2009 decision to shut down the integrated police task force responsible for casinos, the B.C. Liberals even tried to blame the police.”

From News 1130. “The hits keep coming for the former BC Liberal government in the wake of last month’s scathing report on money laundering. The latest report by Auditor General Carol Bellringer shows several Crown-owned properties were sold off for only two-thirds what they were worth to help balance the budget between 2013 and 2015. Current Citizen Services Minister Jinny Sims is calling out her predecessors for failing to properly assess values.”

“‘You’ve got an offer that comes in from one buyer that’s at only 66 per cent of the assessed value and you don’t even wait for other offers? I look at a city like Surrey, very fast-growing, where we have [more than] seven thousand students sitting in portables because the Liberal government –they kept selling the land that we could build schools and hospitals on.’”




RSS feed

69 Comments »

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-07-11 07:22:51

‘My advice to sellers is, it’s not 2017 anymore,’ said Ian Watt, a realtor with Sothebys. ‘It’s back to reality.’

So Ian, if we’re going back to reality, how would you characterize the prior period?

‘That independent review details large-scale, trans-national money laundering that has been happening at an alarming rate in B.C. casinos. British Columbians saw disturbing footage of bags of money being dropped off at casinos with the express purpose of being cleaned up. Despite being warned multiple times about these activities, the former B.C. Liberal government didn’t care.’

‘It could have been a scene from a mobster movie’

‘The hits keep coming for the former BC Liberal government in the wake of last month’s scathing report on money laundering. The latest report by Auditor General Carol Bellringer shows several Crown-owned properties were sold off for only two-thirds what they were worth to help balance the budget between 2013 and 2015′

I’ve been saying for probably eight years this was a bunch of crooks up there.

Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-07-11 07:57:13

‘It’s back to reality.’

It’s beginning to seem like deja vu all over again, as this was the theme of yesterday’s post.

 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-07-11 08:02:21

“…were sold off for only two-thirds what they were worth…”

What’s the relevance of this detail?

Comment by Boots on the Ground in Ptown
2018-07-11 09:23:10

As a dual citizen who’s followed all this garbage happening up there- (but late to the game, I started paying attn in 2015) If I’m not mistaken the detail referenced is relevant because if I recall rightly there’s quite a bit of evidence that the Liberal party was in cahoots with foreign buyers. IE bringing real estate people with them on visits to C.h.I.na. So I think the accusation is that they sold out the province to line their own pockets ahem cough cough. Anecdotally, there are large tracts of land in the northern interior of BC that have also been bought up by C.h.I.n-eez investors. This is not only happening in BC. Anyone drive I-90 East/west across WA recently? Pay attn to the hay operation bought out about 2 years ago near Ellensburg WA. You can’t miss it since the signs are not in English. Timothy hay if I understood right. This isn’t a rant against a free market. As an American I much appreciate the meaning and intentions of free markets, having lived in Canada for some years as well. There are however some dangers to when Yellen bucks are flapping about the world in search of a place to hole up.

Comment by Professor Bear
2018-07-11 10:49:42

It brought to mind a San Diego story about a home sold below “market value” a few years back.

Politics
Lawmaker’s home sale questioned
Cunningham defends deal with defense firm’s owner
By Marcus Stern
COPLEY NEWS SERVICE
June 12, 2005

(Comments wont nest below this level)
 
 
 
Comment by GuillotineRenovator
2018-07-11 17:28:09

You can’t get out of control housing prices and these fantastic bubbles without widespread corruption and fraud. Why isn’t Christy Clark doing a perp walk?

What we’ve found over the course of the past 2+ decades is that entrenched politicians of the world shouted a resounding “f**k you” to the people they were elected to serve, and instead gave the keys to the machine to the moneyed special interests so they could do whatever they wanted.

Bring back the guillotines, let’s hang ‘em high! All of ‘em!! Let’s start executing these fraudsters!!

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-07-11 07:25:50

‘In the face of a slowdown that’s hitting realtors right in the pocketbook, we have word that maybe some of the data these realtors are providing may not be all that reliable’

Do tell.

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-07-11 07:28:59

“National Association Of Realtors Caught Lying About Home Sales”

https://homesrealestateforsale.com/national-association-of-realtors-caught-lying-about-home-sales/

Comment by Apartment 401
2018-07-11 07:56:12

Somebody posted on the HBB that Realtors are liars. Is it really true?

 
Comment by Anonymous
2018-07-11 08:09:34

Impossible! Unthinkable!

 
 
 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-07-11 07:26:31

Castle Rock, CO Housing Prices Crater 5% YOY

https://www.movoto.com/castle-rock-co/market-trends/

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-07-11 07:29:30

‘Steve Saretsky, a realtor with Sutton Group West Coast, estimates Vancouver condo prices have declined four to five per cent since the peak of the market in January 2018. But as inventory continues to build because of the dramatic drop in sales, a much bigger price correction could be on the way, Saretsky warned. ‘Prices are always sticky on the way down,’ he said. ‘Fifty per cent of listings today are recycled,’ meaning that the property has been listed, removed, and re-listed, usually with a change in price.’

Uh, Steve, the peak was spring of 2016. How much are shack prices down since then?

‘first listed on Oct. 13, 2016, at $2.599-million. The listing expired seven times and reappeared at a lower price until it sold this past January for $1,999,888′

A wee bit more than 4% Steve.

Comment by Boots on the Ground in Ptown
2018-07-11 09:58:37

http://www.greaterfool.ca/

Your Canadian clone….According to GT peak was April 2017 for Toronto and maybe around the same or a bit later for Vancouver. The Canadian market is WAY more sluggish to respond to normal free market checks/balances due to many reasons like: No zillow or MLS equiv for statistics, (Realturds hold all the cards so its like bidding at a blind auction for the average Canuck to buy a house), a complicit CMHC, politicians, policies, on and on. Hence why the .gov had to step in heavy to “cool it off”. Which hasn’t really solved the underlying problems, as you can learn about on greaterfool.ca. As a Canadian, I feel free to say that its amazing/appalling the extent that Canucks expect the gov to solve all problems. However, given how pervasive the fraud/predatory lending/obscure data is up there, its no surprise that the Canadian market got to where it is now. Read the greaterfool post for today and note the one commenter who waited was it 10-15 yrs for the Vanc market to correct, reading housing blogs etc and staying on the sidelines. There is that kind of cognitive dissonance too and I wonder if I don’t have a skosh of it now.

It looks a “tad murky” here as well. (as far as data so obscured that its almost impossible to make a well informed decision) –And then there’s Zillow getting into the housing game of all off putting things–

CASE IN POINT REGARDING TRENDGRAFIX:

About a month ago I spoke with a real estate broker locally. Casually asked for stats going back 15 yrs for a specific area of this PNW state. He said he’d check but he’s pretty sure he could only get me 2 yrs back. !!! 2 YRS!? I practically yelled. “Are you serious?! How is that going to help me establish any long term trend?” I basically told him that I’m not buying but watching the market and that I didn’t want any shiny spin on this whole thing and lets talk Frank to Frank. He softened up right away and we went on to have a great conversation for about 40 mins. He more or less agreed with me on how ridiculous and bubbly it has gotten and said he can’t see it being sustainable at all. Mentioned how he/his wife bought 3 yrs ago since he’s self employed (harder to get credit when tightening happens in earnest) and how all their family/friends are driving Jags, Audi’s buying way too much house etc. Anyway. I told him I’d gotten 4 yrs back stats not too long ago from a different broker. About a week later I got an email with the 15 yrs of data that I wanted, albeit quarterly but that’s fine.

Point being: in the conversation I asked who this Trendgrafix is that generates the charts. He explained that brokerages subscribe to this service and then Trendgrafix uses the MLS data for an area to generate the charts. Hmmm…. I said, can you say conflict of interest? If you really put a tin foil hat on anyway. (note the Canadian realtors recycling listings, this happens here too if you look close enough for it-just one way that data can be skewed) He didn’t agree, but did agree with me that 2 yrs of data isn’t going to help anyone make an informed real estate decision. Also he noted that since he’s been in the industry, he’s seen where at first they could get 10 yrs of data from Trendgrafix, then 8, then 6, then 4 etc etc. Ea year he said there’s been “changes” in how far back they can get data. NO KIDDING!! Think about it. Its perfect. There’s no liability here. Agents sell the house and if the thing tanks in value in a year, who’s to blame? The charts only showed it “going to the moon”.

//rant off

Yanks check out GF for “news” about the Canadian market. Since otherwise you won’t see it other than here at HBB

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-07-11 07:32:08

‘Blake MacKenzie aid his business took a hit when the empty homes tax took effect in Vancouver 2017. ‘A lot of these [secondary] homes aren’t affordable, they are above that, so it’s not impacting affordability because a $3 million home on the water is not for somebody who can’t find a place to live’

By golly you’re right Blake! But bring it down to 50,000 Canadian pesos and it will be.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-07-11 07:36:17

‘Edmonton’s housing market inventory has reached a 10-year high, according to Royal LePage. This kind of a surplus hasn’t been seen since the 2008 global financial crisis, the company said. Royal LePage Noralta Real Estate broker Tom Shearer said that while Edmonton’s current buyers’ market is a ’sign of the times,’ sellers shouldn’t despair. ‘Sellers just have to be super competitive in pricing their homes. There’s no room for error in overpricing a home’

Despair? What happened to the happy talk Tom? You know, “we love our shacks soooo much in Canada. Oh they just go up and up and we borrow against them and buy up those ridiculously cheap shacks in Arizona and Florida airboxes and they go only up too!”

Don’t make any errors Tom. Just keep slashing those prices.

‘It’s almost like price discovery’

Comment by b
2018-07-11 09:19:36

here is the really sad part.

Calgary is the oil / natural resources city. Edmonton is the capital of Alberta and first of a govt town. There was no justification for the price run up - it was hype. And unfortunately people got herded/fooled into paying too much.

Comment by GuillotineRenovator
2018-07-11 17:31:02

Don’t buy chit you can’t afford!

Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-07-11 19:19:27

But da gubmint offered me a ginormous loan, to ensure that I could afford to buy.

(Comments wont nest below this level)
 
 
 
 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-07-11 07:37:29

North Bethesda, MD Housing Prices Tank 20% YOY As DC/NoVA Housing Market Craters

https://www.movoto.com/north-bethesda-md/market-trends/

Comment by Taxpayers
2018-07-11 10:00:52

Hey Oxide r u tank ii ngas?
Perky w quick turnover in 22151

 
 
Comment by Apartment 401
2018-07-11 07:41:32

Today’s been a rough day for all the Euro-globalists at NATO :(

Comment by jeff
2018-07-11 22:26:38

Cheap @ss Euro-globalists need to step up according to DJT

“Germany is totally controlled by Russia, because they were getting from 60 to 70 percent of their energy from Russia and a new pipeline, and you tell me if that’s appropriate, because I think it’s not, and I think it’s a very bad thing for NATO, and I don’t think it should have happened, and I think we have to talk to Germany about it,” Trump said.

“We’re protecting Germany. We’re protecting France. We’re protecting everybody,” he said. “And yet, we’re paying a lot of money to protect … I think it’s very unfair to our country.”

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/trump-germany-totally-controlled-russia/

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-07-11 07:47:07

‘It’s just a shame to leave a house sitting empty for six years’

‘Longtime city councillor Harold Steves estimates Richmond has some 500 vacant homes, including two in his own Steveston neighbourhood’

That’s some shortage. BTW Canada just hit a record for shack and airbox construction.

 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-07-11 08:05:52

North Palm Beach, FL Housing Prices Crater 11% YOY As Coastal Property Markets Tank

https://www.movoto.com/north-palm-beach-fl/market-trends/

Comment by Daz
2018-07-11 20:29:20

Whenever I check your crater posts I don’t see cratering. Most instances the price per square foot is almost the same YOY? Doesn’t appear you are taking into account square footage.

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-07-11 21:19:30

Rapidly falling lot prices resulting in larger lots, appraisal fraud(which is widespread), etc.

What other items or features is the buyer getting for a price that is 11% lower?

 
 
 
Comment by TIC TOK
2018-07-11 08:48:13

The trick of relisting doesn’t work with Zillow around. You can see the history of a home’s listings and price changes along the way Realtor.com shows it as well. And who acrually goes to a real estate agent’s personal website anyway?

All this stuff is noise anyway. The price paid is what the market will bear. That’s it. Whether a home is listed once or 10 times is irrelevant. I don’t make purchases based on length of time something is for sale, I buy if it is a good deal.

Comment by Carl Morris
2018-07-11 11:07:15

The trick of relisting doesn’t work with Zillow around. You can see the history of a home’s listings and price changes along the way Realtor.com shows it as well.

Speaking of which, what’s really good for this sort of thing is Redfin. With any house that you’ve bookmarked/favorited in the past, you get a notice the instant anything happens with it. Including coming back on the market after going off the market for any period of time it appears. Several times it’s clued me in to interesting things going on with a specific house.

Speaking of which, the house I liked talked about here in Granite Bay, CA, finally got a price reduction after sitting all year with no movement. But oddly enough it also was taken off the market and put right back on at the new price in order to look like a new listing instead of a price reduction. Redfin immediately let me know about that.

Comment by BubblevilleCA
2018-07-12 05:58:46

Trulia does this too… guess they figure listing it as a “new” listing attracts more excitement to a potential victim, I mean buyer. California Bay Area listings that I have watched unsold typically get removed and pop back up on the mls a month or two later as a shiny new diamond in the rough (usually the words the realtor uses to describe the “new” listing).

 
 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-07-11 19:26:14

“Whether a home is listed once or 10 times is irrelevant.”

That’s a point that occurred to me years ago. When a new buyer enters the market, does he go about checking for how long different homes were on the market? I think not… this is an irrelevant considerate, unless it’s a signal of potential seller distress and willingness to lower the asking price.

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-07-12 03:32:23

‘Whether a home is listed once or 10 times is irrelevant’

You’ve got to be kidding. Have you ever negotiated anything in your life?

Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-07-12 04:53:29

‘…unless it’s a signal of potential seller distress and willingness to lower the asking price.’

(Comments wont nest below this level)
 
 
 
 
Comment by b
2018-07-11 09:36:31

more chinese money coming in

Buying overseas real estate has become a popular way for the Chinese rich to offshore their fortunes. Foreign exchange deposits and “immovable property” are the most popular overseas investment options. They spend an average of $800,000 on buying a property, the report said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/05/more-than-a-third-of-chinese-millionaires-want-to-leave-china.html?recirc=taboolainternal

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-07-11 09:45:59

Is foreign dumb.borrowed.money. dumber than domestic dumb.borrowed.money.?

 
Comment by Anonymous
2018-07-11 11:05:43

“When asked about their priorities for purchasing overseas real estate, the respondents said, “high cost-effectiveness” ranked first, followed by investment value and “permanent property rights.” ”

It’s my understanding that when you buy a house in China, you are only buying the structure: the gov’t retains ownership of the land. True?

Comment by b
2018-07-11 11:24:27

depending on the city/province, you get a ‘lease’ for 50, 70, 90 years. You do not own it long term - including in condo buildings

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2018-07-11 11:36:52

“high cost-effectiveness” ranked first

And keep in mind that for Shanghai people at least, almost everything in the USA is cheap. So everything meets their most important criteria.

 
Comment by MGSpiffy
2018-07-12 00:38:44

“The strong education system, cleaner air and better food safety made the U.S. a favorite for Chinese investors”

Since being mentioned here in this blog the last couple weeks, I’ve been listening to a lot of the videos on you tube by ADVChina and serpentza.

Some of them are Very, very interesting to realize some of the ways Chinese life and culture are unexpectedly different than what we’re accustom to. Gives some insight into how cutthroat 1.3 billion people can be.

Comment by Carl Morris
2018-07-12 09:52:41

Some of them are Very, very interesting to realize some of the ways Chinese life and culture are unexpectedly different than what we’re accustom to.

Welcome to my world.

(Comments wont nest below this level)
 
 
 
 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-07-11 09:50:14

Los Angeles, CA 90024 Rental Rates Crater 12% YOY As SoCal Real Estate Interests Fail To Conceal Housing Correction

https://www.zillow.com/los-angeles-ca-90024/home-values/

*Select price from dropdown menu on rental chart

 
Comment by b
2018-07-11 09:52:21

Markham and Richmond Hill are center of gravity for Hong Kong and China $s in Toronto (exception also downtown condos). There are entire shopping centers with just Chinese signs (no English). There is nothing wrong with this per se, but an indication of the amount of $ coming in.

“House prices declined in much of the Greater Toronto Area in the second quarter of this year, particularly in Richmond Hill, Markham and Vaughan, according to Royal LePage. The aggregate house price in Richmond Hill fell 12.4 per cent in Richmond Hill year-over-year to $1,132,722, while the aggregate house price dropped 8.8 per cent in Markham year-over-year to $1,004,095 and dropped 6 per cent in Vaughan year-over-year to $1,011,913. CEO Phil Soper blamed the sluggish market in much of the GTA on the federal mortgage stress test imposed in January 2018, which he said has reduced the borrowing power of buyers and forced them to lower their expectations. The rules have slowed the market particularly in suburban Toronto, with prices he described as ‘very soft.’”

 
Comment by Taxpayers
2018-07-11 09:56:57

The s&L cycle slowdown
1988 boston
Nyc 1989
Dc 1990

Now high priced air boxes
Then high end sfh
Then everything

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2018-07-11 13:36:07

Oil price = Ker-plunk.

And what is Dr. Copper trying to tell us?

Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-07-11 19:35:12

Nobody could have seen it coming!

Oil Prices Crash As Libya Resumes Production
By Nick Cunningham - Jul 11, 2018, 6:00 PM CDT

Oil prices fell sharply on Wednesday on news that Libya was suddenly set to restore hundreds of thousands of barrels per day, and the U.S. struck a softer line on Iran sanctions.

Brent sank more than 6 percent during midday trading on Wednesday, as Libya’s National Oil Corp. (NOC) said that it would lift the force majeure on several major export terminals and resume shipments of oil.

 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-07-11 19:47:50

It appears the market is trying to price in declining copper demand due to the slowing Chinese economy plus the likely effect on China’s industrial production of a looming trade war, exacerbated by a flight to quality into dollars.

US GDP or the uncertain outcome of a trade war which hasn’t really begun yet have little to nothing to do with the situation.

Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-07-11 19:54:13

Seems like oil and other commodities are tanking in lockstep, with very good timing, I might add, given AlbuquerqueDan’s recent reappearance to assure us that we are about to run out of oil and that prices can only go up from now on.

Copper price plunges to 1-year low
Frik Els | about 8 hours ago

The price of copper sank on Wednesday, losing more than 4% in New York to $2.7170 or $5,990 a tonne on the Comex market, its lowest level since July 20 last year.

It was one of the busiest days of 2018 on commodity futures markets with with over 2.1m tonnes of copper worth $12.7 billion exchanging hands by early-afternoon. Wednesday was the ninth down day of the last 10 trading sessions for copper. The bellwether metal has declined by 18.5% just over the last month, dragging the base metal complex down with it.

Zinc is down 28% from its 2018 high, and cobalt is now trading down 24% from highs hit in March. Nickel is the only metal still in the black year to date but has retreated 14% over the past month dipping below $13,600 in London on Wednesday.

The trade dispute between the US and China, responsible for half the world’s consumption of copper, is quickly escalating and comes on top of sliding indicators of manufacturing and industrial activity in China. Due to its widespread use in manufacture, construction and electricity infrastructure, the copper price is often considered a gauge of broader economic activity.

 
 
 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2018-07-11 13:47:49

That are second quarter GDP will be between 3.5 percent and four percent?

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2018-07-11 17:33:43

Our second quarter GDP or it could be a result of the dollar shooting higher due to Trump winning the trade war.

 
 
Comment by brazendetre
2018-07-11 13:48:49

Who knew the peoples warrior would come in the form of a cheeto colored godzilla that would topple the economic structures built on grift and curb stomp the globalist cucks of lameville?

Loving every second of this!

Comment by Carl Morris
2018-07-11 14:29:26

I dislike Trump’s style. But I’ve held out hope of some good things coming from him based on past history of rich guys like FDR getting elected and then being considered traitors to their class by the time they finished. I hope they say the same of Trump when it’s over.

Comment by BearCat
2018-07-12 15:50:11

Ignore what he says/tweets, look at what he does…I don’t give a d*amn about style.

 
 
 
Comment by Lisa
2018-07-11 16:02:52

The Star Vancouver “In the past six months, realtors working across Metro Vancouver say they’ve seen market conditions go from highly competitive multiple offers and condo pre-sale lineups, to falling prices and developers offering up to $100,000 ‘bonuses’ in an attempt to lure buyers. The correction is taking some time to work through the market, but the realtors pinpoint April as the month when conditions began to change.”

Uh, April wasn’t six months ago by my calendar. That’s an awful quick turn of events, from bubbly to having to “lure” buyers with six figure incentives.

Reminds me of the London broker who said prices were down “a bit, maybe 5%” and then quoted a YOY sale comparison that was closer to down 25%.

Comment by rms
2018-07-11 16:28:08

“…developers offering up to $100,000 ‘bonuses’…”

Hehe… must have been marked-up a bit.

 
 
Comment by tresho
Comment by rms
2018-07-11 17:13:15

I was expecting a sting operation. :)

Comment by tresho
2018-07-11 17:14:10

I was expecting a sting operation. :)
Dumb ‘em down and STING ‘em!

 
Comment by rms
2018-07-11 17:25:49

A good one was free Super Bowl tickets… snared a herd.

 
 
 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-07-11 17:00:00

Gulf Breeze, FL Housing Prices Crater 7% YOY As Mortgage Defaults Ramp Up

https://www.movoto.com/gulf-breeze-fl/market-trends/

Comment by Daz
2018-07-11 20:30:57

Price per square foot is up $20 YOY. Am I missing something?

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-07-11 21:22:25

Again.$/sq ft valuation is a poor performer as it excludes all items in the transaction except for the structure and the area of dirt directly under it.

Naples, FL Housing Prices Crater 7% YOY As Land Prices Plunge

https://www.zillow.com/naples-fl/home-values/

https://snag.gy/m5EzRB.jpg

 
Comment by In Colorado
2018-07-11 22:29:59

It’s what we’re seeing in many locales: median prices are down while $/sq ft is up. Meaning that smaller houses are selling (and still appreciating) while bigger houses are not. Of course, the smaller houses can go up only so much before they catch up with the bigger ones, at which point either the bigger houses appreciate or the whole thing unravels.

Comment by BlueSkye
2018-07-12 04:58:07

… (and still appreciating)

That part isn’t necessarily logical.

(Comments wont nest below this level)
 
 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2018-07-11 19:30:15

Crane Helps Move 1,000 Pound Man to New Home

When a Massachusetts nursing home shuts down, a month-long plan, highly coordinated move, involving several municipalities, medics, special transportation and a crane. WJAR’s Matt Reed reports.Apr.21.2015

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/crane-helps-move-1-000-pound-man-to-new-home-431417411936

Comment by rms
2018-07-12 07:11:02

Where’s the comment section for that story?

 
 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-07-11 19:56:54

Does it seem like dollars are ever harder to get?

Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-07-11 20:43:30

Gold slips as dollar gains ground in intensifying trade war
11 July 2018 - 08:14 Karen Rodrigues
Gold. Picture: REUTERS

Bengaluru — Gold prices fell on Wednesday as the dollar firmed against the yuan after the US threatened to impose additional tariffs on Chinese goods, escalating trade tension between the world’s two largest economies.

The Trump administration said on Tuesday it would slap 10% tariffs on an extra $200bn worth of goods imported from China.

The news comes after Washington imposed 25% tariffs on $34bn of Chinese imports last week. Beijing responded immediately with matching tariffs on the same value of US goods exported to China.

“I think the bad news [for gold] in regards to geopolitical risk is that the trade issue is already priced in,” said Cameron Alexander, an analyst with Thomson Reuters-owned metals consultancy GFMS.

Spot gold fell 0.3% at $1,250.90/oz at 3.15am GMT. In the previous session, bullion hit a one-week low at $1,246.81/oz.

 
 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-07-11 21:20:17

Has the DOW already passed its peak for this cycle and nobody even rang a bell!?

U.S. Markets Stock Market
Dow Highest Closing Records
Compare to Dow Jones Closing History: Top Highs, Lows Since 1929
By Kimberly Amadeo
Updated June 11, 2018

The Dow Jones Industrial Average’s highest closing record is 26,616.71 set on January 26, 2018. After hitting that peak, it immediately went into free fall. The index fell 4 percent by the end of the following week. It recovered briefly and then fell 1,032.89 points on February 8 to 23,860.46. The index had fallen 10.4 percent, putting it into a long-overdue market correction. Investors were wary of higher interest rates and afraid of inflation.

Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-07-12 04:48:23

The bear case for stocks is ‘so obvious, it can’t be right’
By Victor Reklaitis
Published: July 12, 2018 7:17 a.m. ET
Critical information for the U.S. trading day

 
 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-07-11 21:25:23

Kings Beach, CA Housing Prices Crater 15% YOY As Vacation Property Market Floods With Excess Empty Inventory

https://www.movoto.com/kings-beach-ca/market-trends/

 
Name (required)
E-mail (required - never shown publicly)
URI
Your Comment (smaller size | larger size)
You may use <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong> in your comment.

Trackback responses to this post