Lenders Have Had This Lightbulb Moment
A report from the Wall Street Journal. “Chinese investors have become net sellers of U.S. commercial real estate for the first time in a decade, reversing a yearslong trend when these buyers spent tens of billions of dollars and helped boost the market for hotels and other properties. Chinese insurers, conglomerates, and other investors sold $1.29 billion worth of U.S. commercial real estate in the second quarter, while purchasing only $126.2 million of property, according to Real Capital Analytics. This marked the first time that Chinese investors were net sellers for a quarter since 2008. ‘I was shocked,’ said Jim Costello, senior vice president at Real Capital Analytics. ‘They really curtailed their buying and stepped up sales.’”
“Chinese lenders also want to avoid the painful repercussions that losses would cause. ‘If there is a fire sale, the banks also lose,’ said Edward Tse, chief executive of Gao Feng Advisory Co., a Shanghai-based consulting firm.”
From the South China Morning Post. “Shanghai has cancelled five planned land sales worth a total of 10 billion yuan (US$1.47 billion) in 20 days, underscoring dampened appetite of developers weighed on by tightened funding and tepid sales. Chinese developers are facing a liquidity squeeze and rising funding costs as a result of government’s deleveraging campaign and efforts to rein in housing prices.”
“‘The cancellation is probably due to the unattractive bidding prices that developers intended to make,’ said Alan Jin, property analyst with Mizuho Securities. ‘The developers are suffering a rough time facing the price cap and tightening credit. It dose not make sense for them to bid high.’”
“The cooling land market is not limited to Shanghai. On Monday, Suzhou, a city near Shanghai, also said three plots planned for sale failed to find buyers. In Shenzhen, 26 parcels of land were sold in the first half, fetching 10.9 billion yuan, down 67 per cent from the same period last year. In June, a commercial site with development for housing in Qianhai, the city’s new financial district reportedly failed to sell. Country Garden, the country’s largest developer by sales, in June has order a halt of land acquisition in third, fourth and fifth-tier cities, scaling back a previously ambitious plan to be present in all counties in China, according to Shanghai media the Paper.”
The Sydney Morning Herald in Australia. “Australia’s version of the sub-prime crisis that ushered in the global financial crisis could be looming, with a significant number of the 1.5 million households with interest-only loans likely to struggle with higher repayments, experts warn. Martin North, the principal at consultancy Digital Finance Analytics, said interest-only loans account for about $700 billion of the $1.7 trillion in Australian mortgage lending and it was ‘our version of the GFC.’ ‘My view is we’re in somewhat similar territory to where the US was in 2006 before the GFC,’ Mr North said.”
“Craig Morgan, managing director of Independent Mortgage Planners, said one in five people who took a loan two or three years ago would not qualify for the same loan now, because of the crackdown on lending by the regulator and ongoing fallout from the Royal Commission into financial services. ‘In the last six months lenders have had this lightbulb moment of what ‘responsible lending’ means,’ Mr Morgan said.”
From Bloomberg on India. “Indian lenders struggling to recoup loans worth about US$20 billion to troubled property developers have to contend with another challenge: A lackluster recovery from the worst home-sales slump this decade. To recover the dues, banks are taking control of land parcels and unfinished projects that can be sold along with loans. This comes at a time when home sales volumes have declined about 40 per cent over four years and prices have dropped as much as 20 per cent on average, said S Sriniwasan, managing director of Kotak Investment Advisors, which oversees the alternate assets business of parent Kotak Mahindra Bank Ltd.”
“‘Weaker hands are going out of business in realty and lenders are working on recovering US$20 billion worth of stressed loans to developers,’ said Mr Sriniwasan, who has been bidding to buy properties that banks are putting on the block. ‘All those land banks, which developers used to tout as a valuation booster, are turning into bank lands now,’ and creditors will have to take haircuts while selling the collateral.”
“‘This US$20 billion stress is just at banks. We don’t even know what level of non-performing loans is there in non-finance companies’ books since their recognition norms are more relaxed and bad loans are not really coming out,’ he said. ‘The day of reckoning is not far.’”
From IOL News in South Africa. “An increase in To Let signs is being seen in Cape Town’s city centre, which has enjoyed a property boom for a decade. Property companies have cited the drought, the weak economy and an oversupply of residential properties as the main reasons for a decrease in demand for apartments to rent and more properties staying on the market. In the past five years, prices of homes across the city have risen by nearly 80%, making Cape Town’s properties the third most expensive in the world after Shanghai and Vancouver.”
“Steer & Co said the drought had also resulted in fewer visitors to the city and property owners previously letting their properties short-term now had to switch their properties into the long-term letting market as the short-term vacancies were high. This had in turn led to a large amount of new rental stock coming onto the market, creating even more supply. Spokesperson Teresa Hamilton said the situation was causing alarm or ‘at least disappointment’ among some property owners.”
From Insauga on Canada. “The GTA’s new home market is facing some challenges. The Building Industry and Land Development Association (BILD) announced that through the month of April, the new home market had lower sales than usual, which resulted in an increase in remaining inventory. In total only about 1,727 new homes were sold in April. April sale were the lowest for the market in over 20 years. Single-family home sales were down 65% from last April of last year. This was also 70% from the 10-year average. Condominium apartments came out to 1,225 new home sales, which was down 65% from April of last year as well, and down 38% from the 10-year average.”
“The low number of sales is troubling for the market. The total new homes remaining in inventory are about 14,297 units. The benchmark for new single-family homes decreased in April to $1,151,815. This is down 5% over the last year.”
The Delta Optimist in Canada. “The rate at which presale condos and townhomes are being snapped up has plummeted across Greater Vancouver and the Fraser Valley. MLA Advisory said in its mid-year report that the absorption rate of newly released presale units in June 2018 across the Lower Mainland was just 50 per cent, compared with 94 per cent in January this year. ‘The current pre-sale landscape is shifting from its once unsustainable, hyperactive growth to a balanced, more normal market,’ said Suzana Goncalves, chief advisory office at MLA Canada.”
“The anticipation of slower sales and potentially lower prices could be encouraging some pre-sale buyers to sell their sales contracts, known as assignments. A look at listing services Craigslist, Kijiji and Vancouvernewcondos on July 18 found 587 presale condos being offered from West Vancouver and Squamish to Surrey and Langley by both real estate agents and private owners.”
From Property Industry Eye on the UK. “There has been a ‘significant’ rise in down-valuations which are now running at the highest rate since the crash in 2008. The Victoria Derbyshire Show yesterday looked at the problem, with Russell Quirk one of the contributors. Quirk, CEO of Emoov, said that one in five of its transactions is currently being down-valued by surveyors after the sale has been agreed. Two years ago, it was fewer than one in 20. Quirk said it reflected surveyors predicting a crash, and that they were covering their backs. He said: ‘Surveyors are prophesying a crash. The system is built to protect them.’”
“Comments on the BBC forum included a question about what was making lenders nervous – Brexit? Another said: ‘House prices are way too high relative to earnings and the bubble must burst at some point. And that may be soon.’”
From Yle Uutiset on Finland. “Anja Soininen would like to sell her home and move closer to her son’s family, but there are no interested buyers for her property in Polvijärvi, eastern Finland. Her three-room house with a sauna and ‘nice neighbours’ has been on the market since May. ‘If only I could sell it by the autumn; I hope that someone would show an interest,’ she says.”
“She might have to wait longer, however, as it is not uncommon for dwellings outside Finland’s growth areas to sit unsold for several years nowadays. Sami Pakarinen, chief economist for the Confederation of Finnish Construction Industries, told the financial paper Kauppalehti in 2016 that one million of Finland’s housing units are ‘in the wrong place.’ ‘For the last 25 years, we’ve been building a lot of housing in the wrong places, when you think about future needs. If we’ve got three million units, then a rough estimate would say that one million of them are in the wrong places,’ he said.”
“Markku Tykkyläinen, a professor of economic geography at the University of Eastern Finland, says problems arise when people’s only capital is the home they live in. Unfortunately, a person’s dwelling is not the best long-term investment, he says, even if the homeowner would wish that it were so. ‘The situation has now grown acute: houses in small communities are being put up for sale, but there are no young people interested in buying them,’ he says of the situation in Finland.”
“One reason the sale of older homes has dragged on for years in some instances is because the sellers have refused to lower their prices. Anja Soininen hopes to get 68,000 euros for her small home in Polvijärvi, and she says that for the time being, she has no intention of backing down on the price. ‘There have been so many expenses that I want to get my asking price,’ she explains.”
“But even if she were to end up dropping her price, it may not help attract a buyer. The Joensuu-based Karjalainen newspaper recently carried a story of an apartment owner in Outokumpu, eastern Finland who dropped the price of her 90-square-metre flat from the original asking price of 80,000 euros to 33,000 euros – and the flat still hasn’t sold.”
‘found 587 presale condos being offered from West Vancouver and Squamish to Surrey and Langley by both real estate agents and private owners’
And just when sales drop like a turd in a well. Interesting how this supply just pops up out of nowhere!
‘one in five of its transactions is currently being down-valued by surveyors after the sale has been agreed. Two years ago, it was fewer than one in 20. Quirk said it reflected surveyors predicting a crash, and that they were covering their backs. He said: ‘Surveyors are prophesying a crash. The system is built to protect them.’
‘one in five people who took a loan two or three years ago would not qualify for the same loan now, because of the crackdown on lending by the regulator’
Huh, so where are the supply and demanders insisting we build, build, BUILD! Of course I said the lending just needs to be cut back (from government gravy train) and this shortage would be exposed as a myth.
You know what’s most fascinating? I don’t have a crystal ball. This exact same thing happened just a few years ago: I managed to remember. And back then the same hucksters were screaming urgency and scarcity and look at all the people who fell for it - TWICE!
“You know what’s most fascinating? I don’t have a crystal ball. This exact same thing happened just a few years ago: I happened to remember. And back then the same hucksters were screaming urgency and scarcity and look at all the people who fell for it - TWICE!”
They fell for it twice because it only happened twice. If it happened three times then these pukes would have fallen for it three times. If it happened ten times then these same pukes would have fallen for it ten times.
You cannot fix stupid.
But you can FINANCE stupid, and this what has occured: stupid had been financed. And refinanced. And refinanced yet again.
Take away the finance and the refinance and you are left with - what? - you are left with stupid and the enormous quantities of debt that was stupidly brought into being.
Why do wanker.banker$ gleefully enable $toopid? … Thought hayzues.of.Bethlehem had particular i$$ues with the local monie$ changer$ … looooonng time ago, like … -2,018 year$ CE.
“Why do wanker.banker$ gleefully enable $toopid?”
For the same reason Willy Sutton used to rob banks.
“.. he eventually spent more than half of his adult life in prison and escaped three times.”
$lick Willy ain’t got ‘nothing on Wall $treet wanker.banker$, none$ gone to the $lammer, & they e$cape, every time!
“You know what’s most fascinating? I don’t have a crystal ball. This exact same thing happened just a few years ago: I managed to remember. And back then the same hucksters were screaming urgency and scarcity and look at all the people who fell for it - TWICE!”
Ben, do you think that there is an element of “I got burned last time, but I’m gonna get it right this time?” People speculating and knowing it’s a bubble, but thinking they will be the ones to come out on top during this bubble/bust? And if so, will that accelerate the bust? Will people be more prepared to walk away when the floor falls out?
Ben Franklin said six months after the revolution that so many falsehoods had been written that the real history of the war would never be known. IMO it’s the same bubble. Why? Because most people never learned their lesson. After the Texas bust in the 80’s, spec building was a dirty word for - decades. But just this week we saw a Flagstaff UHS putting up 2 $600k shacks on spec. Mind you he is the marketing guy for the development too. That’s a shaky arrangement that could go wrong oh, only in a thousand ways!
And this at a development that went bust in 2006 because it’s in the middle of nowhere.
I’ll remind readers of this again: these reality TV shows about gambling on shacks is a multi-billion $ global industry. Annually.
“I’ll remind readers of this again: these reality TV shows about gambling on shacks is a multi-billion $ global industry. Annually.”
True.believer$,… the toughe$t to crack of all nut$ in the $pinning flat earthen world!
And if so, will that accelerate the bust? Will people be more prepared to walk away when the floor falls out?
I believe so. And as long as it continues to be rewarded people are going to continue buying the dip even harder and trying to game the system. That’s what we’ve taught everyone to do so far. The “winners” in ~2010 were the ones that got right back in as soon as the Fed moved, even though prices naturally had much farther to fall.
Oh please. My Dad bought a house down the street from the house he owned and lived in back in 2010. Even got into a bidding war and over paid by $10,000 to get the place, he liked it so much. He lived there until he passed away early last year. The house doubled in value since 2010.
He owned his house. He wasn’t a degenerate gambler playing the ‘casino’. He didn’t have to move. He just lived in California for 40 years and knew that houses were not going to drop further and he nailed the bottom. He was a ‘winner’ because he wasn’t delusional enough to believe he could buy a house at $50 a square foot, nor did he wait for houses to depreciate 3% a square foot forever, or that all dirt costs the same.
He just lived in California for 40 years and knew that houses were not going to drop further and he nailed the bottom.
Bullshit.
I have no problem with a guy like him doing well. But the only people who “knew” the bottom was in were the Fed and those who followed them closely. Everything else was luck. Prices should have dropped another 50% if it hadn’t been for Fed interference to foam the runway for the banks.
Totally agree.
And Ben has said prices were starting to fall in 2014 before the Feds juiced the market again.
“He owned his house.”
FWIW, before this printed money economy took-over you would not be able to get a mortgage for $10k over the appraised value, so only cash buyers like your dad would be in a bidding war.
“True.believer$,… the toughe$t to crack of all nut$ in the $pinning flat earthen world!”
It’s hard to distinguish them from the Keynesian beauty contest judges. Birds of a feather…
“…he nailed the bottom.”
Too early to say, since the Fed interrupted the bottoming out process.
Stay tuned for the exciting conclusion!
he liked it so much…He just…knew that houses were not going to drop further and he nailed the bottom…
He bought on emotion…He was all knowing.
Quite the contradiction.
Gambler’s conceit is the fallacy described by behavioral economist David J. Ewing, where a gambler believes they will be able to stop a risky behavior while still engaging in it. This belief frequently operates during games of chance, such as casino games. The gambler believes they will be a net winner at the game, and thus able to avoid going broke by exerting the self-control necessary to stop playing while still ahead in winnings. This is often expressed as “I’ll quit when I’m ahead.”
Quitting while ahead is unlikely, though, since a gambler who is winning has little incentive to quit, and is instead encouraged to continue to gamble by their winning. Once in the throes of a winning streak, the individual may even become convinced that it is their skill, rather than chance, causing their winnings, or good luck on their side, and thus it seems especially senseless to stop
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You see the same quote from FBs in the previous 2008 bust: “Well, if the market goes down I’ll just sell. I’ll quit while I’m ahead”. But they never do. Websites like Zillow and house flipping reality shows on cable are the “glitz and glamor” of the real estate world. All the fun is happening here! Look at all the wealth being created! You are missing out!
And now the whole system is a casino.
Anyone who wanted to could get out of the casino at any time.
If you can manage to locate an exit
Only Greed obscures the exit.
I’ve been saying this for about a year on this blog, but believing it for longer: I don’t think we fully appreciate how self-driving cars will change the housing market and impact prices.
Waymo strikes deals with Walmart, others to boost access to self-driving cars
CNBC
July 25, 2018
Philip LeBeau
*Waymo has struck deals with several companies to expand access to its self-driving cars.
*Some of those companies include Walmart, Autonation and Avis.
*The Waymo rides to certain Walmarts in Arizona will start later this week, while the other ride offers will begin over the course of the next several weeks.
“The Waymo rides to certain Walmarts in Arizona will start later this week while the other ride offers will begin over the course of the next several weeks.”
“Initially, the deals will be offered to about 400 people in the Phoenix area who are part of Waymo’s early rider test program and will then be expanded to include others not yet in the program. Some or all of the cost of the rides will be picked up by the companies partnering with Waymo.”
“Walmart plans to use the service specifically to fulfill online grocery orders, as it’s in the process of bringing grocery delivery to 800 stores by year’s end. The retailer will use its personal shoppers will get items to Waymo vehicles to be delivered from there.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/25/waymo-teams-up-with-companies-to-offer-autonomous-rides-to-customers.html
‘property owners previously letting their properties short-term now had to switch their properties into the long-term letting market as the short-term vacancies were high. This had in turn led to a large amount of new rental stock coming onto the market, creating even more supply’
Beware the silicone valley snake oil.
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I hope these self-driving cars work out. When I’m a senior, I don’t want to be stuck at home because I can’t safely drive anymore.
My thought exactly
Because there’s no such thing as taxis, Uber, Metro Access, shuttles, busses, golf carts, relatives or friends.
I don’t want to wait for a Uber or wait for a Taxi. I want to go exactly when I want to go where I want to go, and sometimes I just like to cruze. It is called independence. That is what the driverless autos will, hopefully, provide. Calling Ubers and waiting for someone who may or MAY NOT show up on time is NOT independence!
So you don’t want to ride share, you want your own personal driverless auto and you don’t mind paying for it? Fair enough. I think ride sharing will be more popular though.
I don’t foresee wanting a driverless car, or the expense of it. 99% of anything I need is within a few blocks of my house, including a walk in the woods. The grocery and the hardware store deliver for free. A ride up to the city is free.
The trend of not wanting to do anything for one’s self, regardless of expense, is interesting.
Carl is right. Unless you have your own personal driverless car, you will be waiting for *something,* even if it’s a driverless car driving its way to your house, through traffic. That doesn’t seem to be much of a gain overall.
By the way, are these cars still being hand-washed and wiped by high-paid engineers to avoid harming those precious sensors?
What’s a five minute wait for a cheap shared ride to a retiree with low schedule demands?
There will likely be no retirement for those choosing the most expensive way to do everything.
So all the cab and Uber drivers put out of business by these self-driving cars will be re-employed as the Personal Shoppers who put these orders together. Interesting.
Personal shoppers will be robots who load the self driving cars.
“The Waymo rides to certain Walmarts in Arizona will start later this week…
“Walmart plans to use the service specifically to fulfill online grocery orders…”
Which is it, rides or deliveries? CNBC doesn’t seem to get the distinction.
‘only about 1,727 new homes were sold in April. April sale were the lowest for the market in over 20 years…The total new homes remaining in inventory are about 14,297 units’
The article says this is only 5 months of inventory. There’s not very many people moving to Canada. And their lending is getting whacked too.
Spring is peak sales season. Their math is horrible.
‘In the last six months lenders have had this lightbulb moment of what ‘responsible lending’ means’
OK, one down. Next up:
It’s was like someone flipped a switch.
Like night and day, the phone stopped ringing.
We were both making good money and then Honeykins lost his job!
‘Unfortunately, a person’s dwelling is not the best long-term investment’
Check.
‘Chinese insurers, conglomerates, and other investors sold $1.29 billion worth of U.S. commercial real estate in the second quarter, while purchasing only $126.2 million of property, according to Real Capital Analytics. This marked the first time that Chinese investors were net sellers for a quarter since 2008. ‘I was shocked,’ said Jim Costello, senior vice president at Real Capital Analytics. ‘They really curtailed their buying and stepped up sales.’
Yeah Jim, and this is why you make the big bucks. They only clamped down over TWO YEARS AGO!
Yesterday Diane announced southern California shacks weren’t selling. And today the WSJ says Chinese are selling not buying. But the HBB knew this long ago:
February 24, 2017
“The mansion on Fallen Leaf Road in the secluded Upper Rancho neighborhood of Arcadia has all the trappings a wealthy buyer from China could want. Yet two months after it was placed on the market, the house remains unsold. Not long ago, real estate like this would have been snapped up almost immediately. ‘It would have been gone in two weeks with multiple offers,’ said Dee Chou, the property’s listing agent.”
“Median home prices have dropped in Arcadia to $930,000 at the end of last year from about $1.1 million at the start of 2015. In San Marino, the median price for a home was $2.5 million as recently as the second quarter of last year before tapering to $2.2 million by the fourth quarter. Agents say the city is left with a surplus of luxury properties whose sellers could face pressure to reduce prices. One agent said her client had to drop his asking price for a property in Arcadia last summer to $8.3 million from $10 million because it drew no interest for three months. ‘All agents are crying that the money isn’t coming,’ said Sanne Lee, an agent for A + Realty & Mortgage in Rowland Heights.”
http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=10006
March 2, 2018
“Southern California real estate sales in December 2017 were up just under a percent from November and down nearly 4% from December of the previous year to a total in Los Angeles, Riverside, San Diego, Ventura, San Bernadino and Orange counties combined, according to Core Logic. ‘With inventory still tight, Southern California’s housing market closed 2017 with a year-over-year decline in December home sales, which were the lowest for that month in three years,’ said Andrew LePage, a research analyst with Core Logic.”
“Locally, there were 73 single-family homes and 13 condos sold in our coverage area this December. Of those, 27 single-family homes sold in the Hollywood Hills’ 90068 zip code. The median price for the area was down just under 2% from December 2016 to $1.451 million. The 90039 ZIP code, which includes parts of Silver Lake, Los Feliz and Atwater Village, had 20 home sales in December for a median price of $956,000, about 6.7% lower than the previous year. Condos in 90039 saw a nearly 20% drop in median price from last year to $728,000 for the five sold. Los Feliz saw 10 homes sell in the 90027 ZIP code for a median price of $1.43 million, roughly 17% lower than the previous December. The area’s condos saw a median price decrease of about 40% to $405,000 for the four sold.”
http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=10360
They are still blaming slow SoCal sales on low inventory. What will they say when investors pull the rip cord en masse and flood the market with inventory? “Noone could have seen it coming!”
“Yesterday Diane announced southern California shacks weren’t selling.”
This story was on the front of Google News real estate this morning.
Are builders catching up to Southern California’s housing shortage?
OCRegister-Jul 22, 2018
Southern California builders are putting a dent in the regional housing shortage … In the four-county region, the supply of existing residences on the market grew …
Interestingly enough the median home value in Arcadia shot back up to $1.2M in 2018. I wonder why? That’s a 30% rise in 18 months.
There haven’t been a lot of Chinese investors snapping up US shacks since the winter of 2017.
Arcadia, CA Housing Prices Crater 21% YOY As State Sinks Into Fiscal Disaster
https://www.movoto.com/arcadia-ca/market-trends/
If the Chinese are dumping US real estate, who is going to prop up the market? Will the Fed step in as buyer of last resort?
” … who is going to prop up the market?”
Ru$$ian$! … ( ju$t.you.wait.&.$ees)
The Russians are coming!
Bail them out. Just put it on our tab.
Napa, CA Housing Prices Crater 5% YOY As Widespread Mortgage Fraud Emerges
https://www.movoto.com/napa-ca/market-trends/
“As Wide$pread Mortgage Fraud$ Emerge$”
red, red whine …
No Trump is in office so the globalists will not expand the Fed balance sheet by trillions or allow the debt to expand by nine trillion to prevent a housing correction. Of course if Trump gets manufacturing back in this country it is possible to allow housing to correct without a major recession. Remember last time it was housing correction causing a stock market meltdown causing a recession which caused more pressure on housing worsening the recession. A lot of positive feedbacks there that may or not occur this time. But the PTB, will not try to make Trump look good like they tried with Obama. Were not very successful worse “recovery” since WW ll but not for the lack of trying
A few days ago I suggested that some of the money we are collecting on tariffs could be used to pay farmers for the damage the trade war is causing. Trump announced a 12 billion plan and the globalists RINOs went nuts. Precisely because they know it will work and allow Trump to win the trade war. The simple truth is with our large trade deficits we are better off in a trade war. It would be better to have free and fair trade but the previous situation was worse than the wars. The depression situation was entirely different. Large trade deficits were impossible because the world was on the gold standard. Run large trade deficit lose all your gold. No back then, countries were trying to protect themselves from true competitive advantage not unfair trade practices. That does hurt an economy. Refusing to accept high tariffs on your goods while you have low tariffs is sound and overdue policy.
pay farmers for the damage the trade war is causing…
Pay them to overproduce or pay them to sit idle?
For now it would be best to buy and store some of the crops. Food shortages are just one disaster away
David Pecker?! You can’t make this stuff up…
“How many playmate peppers could pecker pick, if pecker could pick …”
Aw, forgets about it … ( putting Rainer’s in the freezer … )
In fairness to Pecker, the Dems had their Weiner.
‘cept pecker has a di$tortion media megaphone … Weiner’$ isn’t as large … $ize does matter.
Shoreline, WA Housing Prices Crater 12% YOY As Imploding China Economy Batters Seattle Area
https://www.movoto.com/shoreline-wa/market-trends/
‘Weaker hands are going out of business in realty and lenders are working on recovering US$20 billion worth of stressed loans to developers,’ said Mr Sriniwasan, who has been bidding to buy properties that banks are putting on the block. ‘All those land banks, which developers used to tout as a valuation booster, are turning into bank lands now,’ and creditors will have to take haircuts while selling the collateral.’
‘This US$20 billion stress is just at banks. We don’t even know what level of non-performing loans is there in non-finance companies’ books since their recognition norms are more relaxed and bad loans are not really coming out,’ he said. ‘The day of reckoning is not far.’
Is $20 billion a lot? How about $700 billion?
‘interest-only loans account for about $700 billion of the $1.7 trillion in Australian mortgage lending ‘
Chinese investors have become net sellers of U.S. commercial real estate for the first time in a decade,”
Sam Zell beat them to the punch
HA ! has 4 of these
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time to update recession predictions
I still say 4th qtr 2019
a few less pu trucks sold and BAM
‘Anja Soininen hopes to get 68,000 euros for her small home in Polvijärvi, and she says that for the time being, she has no intention of backing down on the price. ‘There have been so many expenses that I want to get my asking price’
That’s right Anja, you hang in there. Don’t give it away.
‘But even if she were to end up dropping her price, it may not help attract a buyer. The Joensuu-based Karjalainen newspaper recently carried a story of an apartment owner in Outokumpu, eastern Finland who dropped the price of her 90-square-metre flat from the original asking price of 80,000 euros to 33,000 euros – and the flat still hasn’t sold.’
“…who dropped the price of her 90-square-metre flat from the original asking price of 80,000 euros to 33,000 euros – and the flat still hasn’t sold.’…”
Ahh, true price discovery…. Isn’t it grand?
Fasten your seats belts because a lot more is a ‘commin.
90 Square Meters =968.751938 Square Feet
Not really that small but must have high maintenance or heating costs
‘There have been so many expenses that I want to get my asking price’
The thing is, Anna, Mr. Market doesn’t care about your many expenses or your greedhead asking price. It only cares about what a creditworthy buyer is willing to pay for your shack.
Back when the housing bust had hit its nadir, I stopped by a FSBO open house. The seller was a middle-aged Korean woman who gave me a flier written in Engrish extolling the virtues of her shack. I gave it a perfunctory tour, with her hovering at my elbow explaining what a special listing this was. When I was headed out to my car, she asked me what I thought. I told her she’d priced it at least $30,000 too high.
They say the worst thing an Asian can call you is “Number 10.” So not true.
They say the worst thing an Asian can call you is “Number 10.” So not true.
Were you promoted to a big piece of number 2?
I think that slot was reserved for the realtor who refused to deal with her given her delusional wish price. Realtors don’t make money unless there’s a sale, so that’s why it was FSBO. Her sale price was based on “what I have to get out of it” not on market value (this was 2008). She asked for my opinion, but clearly didn’t want to hear what I had to say. Oh well.
Back in 2005-2006 there were a number of blogs monitoring the housing market. This blog is great, but was wondering if there are others that you’d recommend?
Read the city-data forums and do exactly opposite what they advise.
+1
For a good laugh, check out some of the koolaid-drinkers here:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/las-vegas/2932117-overvalued-home-prices.html
I read it occasionally. The LLs and homeowners who infest that site are arrogant, self-satisfied jerks. Whenever anyone comments that prices won’t rise forever, or links cautionary housing news, they foam at the mouth and the (RE agent) mods delete your post.
“that one million of Finland’s housing units are ‘in the wrong place”
Well, might bee you get yer citizen$ to gamble on things other than hou$ing.
Find a remote location in a deep sub zero climate, build a bunch of neon.ca$ino’$, offer lots of food.buffets, free reindeer parking, cheap vodka drink$, & free direct depo$it of government $ocial check$ … how would you say “lost.wage$” in Finni$h?
What having mortgages around eight times your income can lead to:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/stockbroker-by-day-alleged-violent-hells-angel-by-night-after-15-years-fugitive-biker-back-for-murder-case/ar-BBL1Mfh?ocid=spartandhp
The median U.S. income is $59,000. That means the median home price should be $177,000. As of last month, it was $302,000.
Which means prices have a long way to fall to correct to the historic norm.
Sux for those who merely want a house for a place to live.
Ugh, I keep seeing this over and over again. The median house price should *not* 3x the median income of the total population. The median house price should be 3x the median income of the buyer pool.
Historically homeownership — the buyer pool — hovers around 60%. So take out the 33% who rent, and a bit more for the elderly, and the very rich. Using 2013 incomes, the buyer pool range is ~$35K to ~ $225K, for a median of $95K. So national prices should hover around $285K.
“The median house price should be 3x the median income of the buyer pool.”
Wrong, since the buyer pool shrinks with rising prices. For this metric to be well-defined, the denominator cannot be functionally dependent on the numerator.
Oxide, I think you are off here. Here is a good chart that shows the Shiller Case Home Price Index / US median annual income.
http://www.longtermtrends.net/home-price-median-annual-income-ratio/
Even if you look at a wealthy subset, you can see that the house price index is skewed and approach where it was before the crash:
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-P9ZiTOgzoxg/WbgZrPUQPtI/AAAAAAAAsPU/RHFyt0CoUIgIuotQ2uzaBOFct54cGHfKACLcBGAs/s1600/HPI4th5th2016.PNG
A couple of things to point out:
1) Household income has changed dramatically overtime when it was basically comprised of one wage earner. The way things are trending now, a husband is going to need a 2nd wife to keep the same price-to-income ratio as what has existed historically.
2) Houses are way bigger now than they were in, say, the 1970s. In some cases the median house being built is almost 2x larger, even as household size has shrunk.
Arguably, Americans are becoming accustomed to paying a higher percentage of their income in housing, which is crowding out other expenses, such as retail spending (see also the retail apocalypse). I tend to think this is all terrible policy and will end in tears.
The way things are trending now, a husband is going to need a 2nd wife to keep the same price-to-income ratio as what has existed historically.
Hmmmm….
“I tend to think this is all terrible policy and will end in tears.”
It will end in flames and riots if the punch bowl runs dry.
Unfortunately, the historic norm has been rising for decades. While dismissed on this board a rising population will increase the norm. One of the reasons why housing will always be expensive in China compared to incomes. The trick is figuring out how much of the house rise is due to money printing and outrageous lending standards and how much is due to demographics. California had less than 16 million people in 1960 and over 37 million people at the time of the 2010 census. Only so much coastal land to go around. Even in California areas such as the Salton sea have gone up very little in price as has the population, some areas the population has gone down. Same for places like Detroit.
Arlington VA Housing Prices Crater 15% YOY As NoVa/DC Rental Rates Plummet
https://www.movoto.com/arlington-va/market-trends/
More evidence, as if more were needed, that the supply of Greater Fools is rapidly drying up as new home sales slumped in June as buyers are becoming increasingly wary of a little something called downside risk.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/new-home-sales-slump-in-june-as-housing-headwinds-increase-2018-07-25
Diane is back for more today…
“San Francisco Bay Area June home sales fall to the lowest point in 4 years as prices surge to record levels”
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/25/san-francisco-bay-area-june-home-sales-fall-to-lowest-point-in-4-years.html
Record prices and slumping sales…call it a hunch, call it an intuition, but I’m thinking those two might be linked somehow.
The People’s Bank of China (PBOC) pumps another $73 billion into its asset bubbles and Ponzi markets in a doomed attempt to forestall true price discovery and all the horrors THAT will bring.
https://www.scmp.com/business/markets/article/2156687/stocks-rise-after-beijing-boosts-shares-yuan-us7357b-cash-injection
“If there is a fire sale, the banks also lose,” said Edward Tse, chief executive of Gao Feng Advisory Co., a Shanghai-based consulting firm.
If only I were gifted with such incredible powers of observation, I too could make the big bucks as a consultant.
“Chinese investors have become net sellers of U.S. commercial real estate for the first time in a decade, reversing a yearslong trend when these buyers spent tens of billions of dollars and helped boost the market for hotels and other properties.”
Let’s hope. There is a difference between investing in a country and buying it up.
The U.S. has said China was “unfair” because it didn’t allow then-richer developed countries to buy up what was there, but instead required actual investment in new things with local partners. Perhaps they were right, and we were wrong.
People know the difference.
Suddenly having a Chinese company buy your local company and export the patents, equipments and jobs, or buy your housing and try to charge enough extra rent to make it pay, or buying up the farmland to make sure in a famine their bellies are filled but not ours, would be resented.
But if a Chinese company were interested in building a new plant, or reactivating a vacant old one, or financing a new apartment building, mayors and governors would be pleading for them to come to their communities.
Faceplant drops as much as 23% after hours after whiffing earnings. Oh, the humanity!
(Lots of margin call bagholders are going to be crying like little biatches tomorrow morning.)
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/facebook-stock-crushed-after-revenue-user-growth-miss-2018-07-25
Uncle Warren$ … $uckerburg
“How eyemade my Billion$” … The $hort $tory
A lot of FBs owning Facebook today.
Spying on users, selling their data to your creepy business partners, censoring anyone opposed to the globalist Narrative…maybe there’s a price to be paid for that.
“Tech stocks set to crater on Thursday with Facebook on track for biggest drop ever”
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/25/tech-stocks-poised-for-bloodbath-on-thursday-with-facebook-on-track-fo.html
But old school industries hurting too…hmm, are red flags going up?
“Ford’s profit plummets by almost half, cuts 2018 outlook”
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/23/ford-earnings-q2-2018.html
Nasdaq down due to FB, Dow up does not seem to show imminent Armageddon.
OT, but this truly made me LOL:
“…Norway aims to make all new cars sold in the country battery-powered by 2025—a target it will reach only with lavish subsidies paid for by sales of oil…”
Article was actually about the lack of service for Teslas in the country:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-24/norwegians-quietly-revolt-against-tesla
Spending on housing dropped 12% in Canada in June. Oh dear….
https://wolfstreet.com/2018/07/25/canadians-spent-12-less-on-real-estate-in-june/
The only CA cities with positive increases were Montreal, Halifax, Ottawa, and Quebec.You better speak French if you’re a foreigner and are purchasing in Montreal or Quebec city.
In Montreal everyone speaks English. It is 2018, not 1970.
‘In Montreal everyone speaks English’
What was it like in 1970? Jeebus the Canadians are weird.
I recall the bilingual labels on their cans during our family vacation in 1969. Wouldn’t it save a bundle to just print those labels in plain English?
In Montreal everyone speaks English. It is 2018, not 1970.
Not true. I’ve lived in Montreal. There are pockets of predominantly French areas and predominantly English areas. Sure, you can get by, but French is very much pushed by the parti quebecois. Shop owners who had English-only signs were having their marquees bombed or lit on fire by French nationalists.
I meet quite a few Montrealers cruising the international waters. The Quebecers speak french to me until I say something simple in French. Then they will speak in English, not before. They also do not fly the Canadian Maple Leaf flag.
> The Quebecers speak french to me
I thought they prefer Quebecois, not Quebecers…
The tipping point approaches, or perhaps has already been reached.
Be afraid, Hong Kong FBs. Be very afraid.
https://www.scmp.com/property/hong-kong-china/article/2156763/cheapest-flats-year-and-sales-us16-billion-property-hong
It almost seems as though the central bankers want no tipping point. But the only way to avoid one is to continually inflate an ever-growing bubble, which will ultimately reach a tipping point.
It’s quite a conundrum they face!
“It’s quite a conundrum they face!”
Are Pandas dangerous if you stop riding ‘em?
They had me at, “housing always goes up.”
I still don’t see why the Chinese government doesn’t force some of the companies in Hong Kong to move their office buildings to those ready-made ghost cities, and the workers too. That would take a lot of pressure off cities.
Maybe Hong Kong works better without that kind of forcing?
Miami Beach, FL Housing Prices Crater 5% YOY As Lenders Begin Tightening The Screws
https://www.zillow.com/miami-beach-fl/home-values/
*Select price from dropdown menu on first chart
I tried to find some comments this morning regarding Stand Your Ground, but not one of the MSM outlets have comments active. However, the media does seem to know what’s “right-n-wrong” for the masses.
The MSM made a big deal over the Florida shooting but it backfired most people sided with the man that was assaulted before he shot. I would have like to have seen the actual shooting. If the man was moving toward the assault victim then the shooting was 100 per cent justified. If not, it is more complicated but a reasonable jury could find that given the assault he had a reasonable fear of another assault by just standing in close proximity.
There’s a healthy discussion thread on Youtube.
Did buying FB stock turn you into a FB?