July 31, 2018

Nobody Wants To Pay The Peak Price

A report from The Real Deal. “According to the National Association of Realtors‘ new survey cited by the Wall Street Journal, the number of purchases by international buyers fell by 21 percent between 2017 and 2018, amounting to a drop of $32 billion. It’s the largest decline on the books. Though good news for Americans who’ve been eyeing properties particularly in more expensive enclaves, waning interest from abroad compounds the effects of a softening housing market–especially for luxury condo developers, who often target wealthy foreigners.”

From the Miami Herald. “In a move with significant implications for the U.S. housing market, Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio is seeking to take a Treasury Department crackdown on dirty money in luxury real estate and expand it from a few high-priced enclaves to the entire nation. Rubio says his proposal is an attempt to root out criminals who use illicit funds and anonymous shell companies to buy homes — a form of money laundering that hides the cash’s tainted origin from law enforcement and banks. The widespread practice enables terrorism, sex trafficking, corruption, and drug dealing by providing an outlet for dirty cash, according to transparency advocates.”

“Through an amendment to an unrelated major spending bill, Rubio will ask Treasury to study whether government regulators should force shell companies that buy homes priced at $300,000 or more in cash nationwide to disclose their owners. That could be a figure as as high as 10 percent of the nation’s real-estate deals.”

“A similar reporting requirement affecting transactions priced at $1 million or more has already had a chilling effect on all-cash corporate sales in Miami-Dade County, which has been under Treasury’s microscope since 2016. As soon as the order took hold, shell companies buying homes with cash dropped off the map, a recent study by academic economists found. In Miami-Dade, the number of corporate cash sales plummeted 95 percent, although a strong overall market suggests creative buyers found ways to circumvent the rules, researchers said.”

“The temporary directives — called ‘geographic targeting orders’ or GTOs — were later expanded to other housing markets in Florida, New York, Texas, California, and Hawaii where foreign and anonymous investors are gobbling up real estate and driving up prices. The rules require title agents to identify the owners of shell companies buying homes with cash and disclose their names to the federal government.”

“While overall home sales held steady even after the FinCEN rule went into place, the real-estate study found, luxury home prices were slightly softer in markets affected by the GTO. That suggests that expanding the GTO could have a dampening effect on the nation’s real-estate market, said Jeff Morr, a luxury real-estate broker at Douglas Elliman and chairman of the Miami Master Brokers Forum, an industry group.”

“‘Does it stop money laundering? Probably, yes,’ Morr said. ‘Is it good for the real-estate market? Probably, no.’”

From National Real Estate Investor. “Investors have become less willing to pay top prices for apartment buildings in New York City. Prices on apartment assets in Manhattan south of 96th Street have dropped slightly relative to income, and have lost their upward momentum in the rest of the city. As interest rates push higher, investors are becoming more cautious. ‘Nobody wants to pay the peak price,’ says Jim Costello, senior vice president with New York City-based research firm Real Capital Analytics.”

From Crain’s New York. “A record influx of wealthy foreign buyers, a growing population and historic high employment have kept the city’s residential markets hot for years. But as reports pour in about what could be the beginning of a nationwide housing slowdown, data from the second quarter of the year show that Manhattan is already showing signs of weakness. The number of newly built apartments sold in Manhattan dropped precipitously in the second quarter, falling by 36.7% from the number in the second quarter of 2017. The median sale prices for the units also fell, dropping by 19.2% during that period to $2.6 million from $3.3 million, according to data from Douglas Elliman.”

“The number of existing unit sales, which comprise 87% of the residential sales market in Manhattan, dropped by 12.3% in the three-month period from the year prior. The median sales price for the units was $975,000 in the second quarter, up slightly from the same period a year ago but less than the record $995,000 average set in the third quarter last year.”

“Jonathan Miller, CEO of the market research and appraisal company Miller Samuel, said he believes sales prices are a lagging indicator. More significant to the trajectory of the market is that for three successive quarters, sales volume for existing units has been down. ‘I characterize that as a reset, and it does have the potential to fall farther,’ Miller said. ‘Demand is continuing to be softer than it was last year.’”

“About 6,000 units are for sale in Manhattan—not an outsize number, Miller said. He attributed the slowdown to buyer fatigue from years of pricing increases; the fallout from the Trump administration’s income tax changes, which limited the deductions for mortgage interest to the first $750,000 borrowed and for state and local taxes (including property taxes) to $10,000; and growing unease over the possibility of a recession in the next year or two. ‘We’re definitely going through a period of change,’ Miller said, ‘and it’s not entirely clear where it’s heading right now.’”

From Business Den in Colorado. “A disgruntled Evergreen couple that sold their 8,000-square-foot mansion for $550,000 below their asking price has turned on their one-time broker and the agent who represented the buyers. Former Evergreen homeowners Catherine and Robert Ross last week sued agents Caroline Wagner, Sonia Chritton and the brokerage Sotheby’s International Realty Affiliates, claiming that the agents conspired against them, and shared compromising and confidential information with the buyers that led to a lower sales price.”

“According to the lawsuit, LIV Sotheby’s International Realty agent Caroline Wagner had a six-month contract with the Rosses to sell their home at 580 Packsaddle Trail in Evergreen. The Rosses listed the 8,700-square-foot, seven-bedroom home at $1.9 million, according the lawsuit. The Rosses claim they told Wagner in confidence about financial difficulties, which required them to refinance the home with a hard-money loan. They claim that only Wagner and the bank knew about their loan.”

“The lawsuit states that under Wagner’s contract, she was prohibited from disclosing the sellers’ reasons for listing the home without their consent, and that she was required to remain mum even after the termination of the contract. After seven months of working with the Rosses, Wagner said the couple cut her and hired a different agent.”

“‘When I took the listing, I said, ‘The price you want is too high,’ Wagner said when reached by phone. ‘They fought me all the way. They didn’t want to budge. They went to somebody else because they thought somebody else could do better than I could.’”

“The lawsuit states that in May, the Rosses ran out of money, except for the value in their home. According to the complaint, Wagner then told Sonia Chritton, a LIV Sotheby’s agent at the time, about the Rosses’ financial position and their weak negotiating position. Defendant Chritton finally admitted to the Rosses’ agent that she received the information about their loan and financial hardships from the Rosses’ ex-selling agent,” the lawsuit alleges.”

“Chritton allegedly took this information and used it to help her clients, buyers Annette and Stephen Pummel, to make a low ball offer, according to the complaint. The Rosses accepted the offer and sold their home for $1.37 million on May 30 to the Pummels, Clear Creek County property records show. The Rosses originally purchased the property in 2009 for $595,000, according to property records.”

“Wagner denied the allegations that she communicated with Chritton about the property and the Rosses’ financial difficulties. ‘That is bull,’ she said. ‘I looked at my emails and I have never ever had communication with Sonia. The Rosses are trying to fabricate something to make some money.’”

“Chritton said that word about the Rosses’ financial difficulties did get out. But it wasn’t real estate agents who spilled the beans. Chritton said neighbors told her clients about the Rosses’ loan and financial situation, and told the Pummels to look into the loan.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2018-07-31 07:52:02

‘The temporary directives — called ‘geographic targeting orders’ or GTOs — were later expanded to other housing markets in Florida, New York, Texas, California, and Hawaii where foreign and anonymous investors are gobbling up real estate and driving up prices. The rules require title agents to identify the owners of shell companies buying homes with cash and disclose their names to the federal government’

The article mentions they secretly lowered the threshold to $300,000. Anyway, it just goes to show the government can whack this activity if they just try.

Comment by rms
2018-07-31 08:10:47

“The article mentions they secretly lowered the threshold to $300,000. Anyway, it just goes to show the government can whack this activity if they just try.”

That revolving door between Wall street and the executive ranks of the federal government voids any hope of a sensible solution.

 
Comment by Jessica
2018-07-31 11:23:14

Exactly - if they try.

There is a lot of foreign money in the DC metro market. Most open houses I’ve gone to there are foreigners present. DC is a magnet for them.

Regarding it “not being good for the real estate market” ??? Average Americans finally being able to afford a house without being leveraged to death is not good? Since when?

Comment by Carl Morris
2018-07-31 11:39:39

Average Americans finally being able to afford a house without being leveraged to death is not good? Since when?

Since Mr. Banker started winning all the elections?

Comment by Mr. Banker
2018-07-31 12:01:06

Nutin’ to it. Lay out the dotted lines and vast multitudes ignorant pukes will climb over each other in order to sign them.

Life is good.

😁

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Comment by MGSpiffy
2018-07-31 12:30:53

It would be nice… too nice to actually happen.. if that info was made public, and people could get access to the raw datasets. Not just for foreign buyers, but for institutional buyers.

 
Comment by hunkydory
2018-07-31 13:33:30

They need to change GTO to GTFO!

And surprised little Marco backed this. Never liked him. Small hands. Smells like cabbage.

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-07-31 07:59:02

‘Chritton said that word about the Rosses’ financial difficulties did get out. But it wasn’t real estate agents who spilled the beans. Chritton said neighbors told her clients about the Rosses’ loan and financial situation, and told the Pummels to look into the loan’

Funny how this shack didn’t rain money on them. Maybe that’s a myth?

Comment by jeff
2018-07-31 08:11:52

“The lawsuit states that in May, the Rosses ran out of money, except for the value in their home.”

:)

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-07-31 08:59:02

That’s what happens eventually. Everyone is rolling over their mortgage debt on no appraisal HELOC’s.

 
 
Comment by Sean
2018-07-31 09:36:55

This is why you ALWAYS talk to the neighbors before you buy a place. Also, good job on the buyers agent for getting the info.

Comment by Sonia Chritton
2018-08-03 11:02:53

Thanks! When I work as a Buyers’ agent, I do my research. When I work as the Sellers’ agent, I keep my mouth shut.
That is how it is supposed to work.
This law suit is a joke. We had willing cash Buyers and a Seller who signed and took their money. The parties being named are not a party to the transaction. Wonder if a countersuit is going to keep them from doing this to others?
Sonia

 
 
Comment by Carl Morris
2018-07-31 09:56:44

Funny how this shack didn’t rain money on them.

Seems like it did…they still doubled their money. It just wasn’t the flood of money they had planned on.

 
Comment by Anonymous
2018-07-31 11:40:47

$1.37 million and they’re suing. Just how much money do they owe to Lenny the loanshark?

 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-07-31 12:27:01

“Funny how this shack didn’t rain money on them. Maybe that’s a myth?”

Paid $660k@4% for 9 years=$752k
10% closing= $66k
depreciation@$3/sqft/yr=$26k(9 years)=$235k
Taxes,yr=$19k/yr(9 years)=$171k
Insurance,yr=$4k(9 years) $36k
Closing, 6%=$82k
Move in/out=$20k

Total cost $1.38 million

Sold for $1.37 million

All that churn, burn and heartache to lose $10,000. I can think of easier ways.

Comment by Carl Morris
2018-07-31 12:58:47

The depreciation came out in the form of the final price paid.

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-07-31 13:01:37

In for $1.38 million

Out for $1.37 million

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Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-07-31 14:59:08

If that were the case it would have sold foor the 2009 price less losses to depreciation.

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Comment by BlueSkye
2018-07-31 15:58:14

And perhaps some maintenance, or it was deferred.

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Comment by Josh
2018-08-01 00:28:40

How does the house depreciate at $3/sq. ft. per year AND sell at a price higher than bought for? That makes zero sense.

 
 
 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-07-31 08:05:54

Westminster CO Housing Prices Crater 15% YOY As Real Estate Industry Angrily Denies Correction

https://www.movoto.com/westminster-co/market-trends/

Comment by redmondjp
2018-07-31 15:18:03

Oooh, “Angrily”, that’s a big adjective there, Haystacks!

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-07-31 15:46:21

Housing my good friend

Bothell, WA Housing Prices Crater 9% YOY

https://www.movoto.com/bothell-wa/market-trends/

 
 
 
Comment by rms
2018-07-31 08:17:31

It’s all thumbs down this morning on Google News Real Estate. Looks like we’ll have to go back to work now… make money the old fashioned way.

Comment by rms
2018-07-31 08:18:35

“America’s housing market is raising a ‘large red flag’ for the economy”
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-housing-slowdown-economy-2018-7

 
Comment by rms
2018-07-31 08:20:36

“The famous Reno drunk and the housing-market hangover”
What to do when problems are difficult both to solve and to manage?
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-famous-reno-drunk-and-the-housing-market-hangover-2018-07-31

 
Comment by Apartment 401
2018-07-31 09:20:37

Did Realtors lie? Unpossible.

 
 
Comment by ibbots
2018-07-31 08:21:53

Few Dallasites are taking out loans to renovate their homes, according to a new study.

The city ranked 32 out of 50 major American metros for the rate of home improvement loans — typically a form of home equity loan — as a percentage of total housing units. At only 0.37 percent, Dallas was on par with Baltimore and Louisville, Ky.

The study, which examined Home Mortgage Disclosure Act data from 2017, found that residents of most major Texas cities rarely finance renovations by borrowing against their home equity.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2018/07/30/dallasites-taking-loans-renovate-homes

Comment by b
2018-07-31 11:06:38

i am actually stunned by this. At least i have heard in the Plano/Frisco, lots of folks seem to be renovating. Do they have cash on hand - perhaps from selling their previous home in CA or NJ

Comment by ibbots
2018-07-31 12:28:28

The article references the restrictive nature of helocs / refi’s in TX. You can only borrow up to 80% LTV of the property and only refi once a year. Only on HELOC at a time, etc.

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-07-31 12:32:34

Anything is possible with no-appraisal HELOC’s and Refi’s.

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Comment by rms
2018-07-31 14:48:39

Texas was the last state in the country to allow home equity lending, said John Heasley, executive vice president of the Texas Bankers Association. “It was an old law to protect the family from losing the home if the husband got drunk and lost the ranch in a game of cards,” Heasley said.

Haha… learn something new every day.

 
 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-07-31 08:28:22

Watt allegations leave Democrats speechless
By KATY O’DONNELL
07/30/2018 07:34 PM EDT
Updated 07/30/2018 11:01 PM EDT

The revelation that Mel Watt, a powerful financial regulator, has been accused of sexual harassment by an employee left Capitol Hill Democrats scrambling for a response, a stark contrast to their reaction to other cases of alleged misdeeds.

“There’s a lot of people talking in the committee about what’s our role in all of this,” said Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.), a Banking Committee member.

Comment by oxide
2018-07-31 10:41:10

“‘Does it stop money laundering? Probably, yes,’ Morr said. ‘Is it good for the real-estate market? Probably, no.’”

Gotta love this guy’s attitude. Does he want the child trafficking to continue in order to keep the high commissions rolling in?

Comment by Apartment 401
2018-07-31 11:06:31

Never underestimate the depravity of a Realtor.

 
 
Comment by taxpayers
2018-07-31 11:47:17

the end of smelly mel?

Comment by oxide
2018-07-31 13:16:16

Looks like they got recorded audio and a prior formal harassment claim. Might not be a metoo witch hunt, but I’ll wait.

Meanwhile, Fannie/Freddie stock spiked, thinking that Trump will turn Fannie/Freddie private. I’m all for turning Fannie/Freddie private… IF they get rid of that gov guarantee. Why should private sector get free money like that? If private sector can do things so much better and cheaper than gov programs, then why do they always line up around the block to buy into those same gov programs?

Oh. Yeah. The Skim.

Comment by Professor Bear
2018-08-01 00:38:15

Privatize profits, socialize losses…

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Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-07-31 08:38:29

Parkland, FL Housing Prices Crater 9% YOY As Housing Recovery Begins

https://www.zillow.com/parkland-fl/home-values/

*Select price from dropdown menu on first chart

 
Comment by b for banker
2018-07-31 09:06:05

Canada: 1 in 10 purchases in 2017 borrowed over $600K

“We know, what if these people with mega mortgages have deep pockets? Some might, but the evidence that these large borrowers aren’t as well off as you would guess. The Bank of Canada warned earlier this year that 8% of mortgage holders owe 20% of the total mortgage debt. Even worse, these borrowers have mortgage debt greater than 350% of their gross income. Best case scenario, these households experience reduced cash flow and slowdown the economy. Worst case scenario… let’s just stick with the best case for today.”

Sooo …. Basically, Canada better not get into an economic downturn.

https://betterdwelling.com/over-1-in-10-canadians-that-bought-real-estate-in-2017-borrowed-over-600000/

Comment by BlueSkye
2018-07-31 09:46:48

“these households…slowdown the economy”

They are willingly participating in the Great Wealth Transfer.

 
 
 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-07-31 09:48:26

San Francisco, CA Rental Rates Plunge 8% YOY As Housing Correction Craters Bay Area

https://www.zillow.com/san-francisco-ca-94110/home-values/

*Select price from dropdown menu on first chart

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2018-07-31 09:58:09

Wow, what a great day on the blog already.

Though good news for Americans who’ve been eyeing properties particularly in more expensive enclaves, waning interest from abroad compounds the effects of a softening housing market–especially for luxury condo developers, who often target wealthy foreigners.

It’s not really good news for anybody until prices actually fall. But then, yeah.

Comment by Carl Morris
2018-07-31 10:00:44

‘Does it stop money laundering? Probably, yes,’ Morr said. ‘Is it good for the real-estate market? Probably, no.’

Such a tough decision.

And that last story is hilarious. If they were so unhappy with the deal, why did they sign it? Not sure I’ve ever seen somebody so self-righteously angry about their failure to sufficiently screw over a greater fool.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2018-07-31 10:49:41

So many doom-and-gloom takes on the stock market situation, so little time to read them all…

The stock market just experienced the most seismic shift from growth to value since Lehman Brothers, says Nomura
Published: July 31, 2018 1:45 p.m. ET
Will value overtake growth
How big has the past three-days been for value
By Mark DeCambre

Some of the most popular bets in the U.S. stock market have gotten pummeled in recent days, leading one analyst on Wall Street to declare it one of the biggest rotations from growth stocks into value stocks since the aftermath of the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers back in mid September 2008.

In a Tuesday research note, Charlie McElligott, head of cross-asset strategy at Nomura, said the “three-day move in U.S. ‘Value / Growth’ has been the largest since October 2008—a 4.3 standard deviation event relative to the returns of the past 10 year period…”

Comment by rms
2018-07-31 11:09:39

If needed the fed can buy a rally with a click of a mouse.

Comment by Professor Bear
2018-07-31 11:17:54

It’s funny how the doom-and-gloom financial prognosticators seem to always neglect that possibility.

 
 
 
Comment by taxpayers
2018-07-31 11:42:52

ATT: invest your dirty money and leave the home vacant most of the year in 22151.
Lowers my taxes dramatically.

“don’t do drugs”

 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-07-31 11:47:13

Solana Beach, CA Housing Prices Crater 6% YOY As Coastal Property Market Staggers On Tanking China Economy

https://www.movoto.com/solana-beach-ca/market-trends/

 
Comment by Fisherman
2018-07-31 12:14:26

Hey all,
Spent the past two days buzzing up and down A1A in the Cocoa-Melbourne area. The number of for sale signs seems to be picking up. I counted over 20 in one short stretch of development (about 1.5 miles). That seems to be a shift from the last time I was down that part of A1A a couple of years ago when signs were sparse. Still some construction with a few mid size condo units nearing completion and a few dozen single family size houses. Overall, the area seemed kinda quiet. Traffic was extremely light and plenty of vacancies. The place I was staying has 6 nightly rental units and only 2 were occupied.

On another note, the bluefish were practically jumping out of the water and the sea turtle nesting numbers look strong. Watched a loggerhead make her nest along a pristine stretch of untouched beach (that should stay that way).

 
Comment by taxpayers
2018-07-31 12:46:42

so 5/2018 the peak?

last one 6/2005

13 years and most barely back to par
subtract 20% for inflation adjustment

=ouch

 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-07-31 12:57:26

The ass covering continues…

“Mortgage Fraud Risk Rises for Seventh Straight Quarter”

https://247wallst.com/housing/2018/07/19/mortgage-cheat-risk-rises-for-seventh-straight-quarter/

 
Comment by Boo Randy
2018-07-31 16:46:57

According to the complaint, Wagner then told Sonia Chritton, a LIV Sotheby’s agent at the time, about the Rosses’ financial position and their weak negotiating position.

Any mark who thinks a “buyer’s agent” or “seller’s agent” works for them, or has their best interests at heart, or will honor their fudiciary responsibilities to them, is deluded.

Comment by Carl Morris
2018-08-01 09:53:00

Considering they took the offer it sounds to me like the agent who got it sold did them a favor by making the deal happen. They could have said no.

 
 
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