August 8, 2018

There’s Just Not A Lot There To Panic About

A report from the LeMars Daily Sentinel in Iowa. “In an effort to get in front of the housing crisis that often plagues small towns, City of Remsen officials decided to expand city infrastructure west of town. ‘Like so many areas in northwest Iowa, there’s a housing shortage,’ said City Engineer Josh Pope.”

From Forbes on Ohio. “Most of the fastest growing cities in America are in the Sun Belt or the Pacific Northwest, but one city in ‘fly-over’ country is keeping pace—Columbus, Ohio. Realtor.com recently ranked Columbus as America’s fourth-hottest housing market. Columbus Realtor Jim Ross, a friend of mine, has experienced this strong housing market first hand. He notes that ‘In multiple offer situations, I’ve seen numerous cases where buyers are willing to pay well above asking price, purchase as-is (they’ll inspect the property but won’t ask for repairs), and even agree to pay thousands of dollars above the appraised value.’”

From National Public Radio. “Builders can’t finish homes fast enough to keep up with demand. All of this means prices for existing homes on the market are going only one direction — up, sometimes stranding people in their current homes even if they desperately want to move.”

“In Beaverton, Ore., Manish Gooneratne feels stuck in his home. ‘We bought in May 2017 when home prices in our area had reached levels compared to 2007,’ he said. ‘As of one year ago, our home is estimated to have appreciated in value by $10,000 to $12,000. This is great, but since we barely squeezed back into the market, we doubt we’d be able to get back in even if we sold with a profit.’”

The Union Tribune in California. “San Diego home sales recently dropped to their lowest level in years, likely much more to do with affordability constraints than the economy, but it might be a sign of things to come. In June there were 3,927 home sales in the county, CoreLogic said, which is the lowest in four years. The phenomenon is nationwide, largely led by a shortage of homes for sale, said Alan Gin, economist at University of San Diego.”

“Jason Cassity, a real estate agent who primarily focuses on downtown, said he has seen some properties sit longer on the market than last year and predicts a tough go for some real estate agents. He said top agents can wait for three months for a deal to close, and that will be very tough for struggling agents who won’t be able to go as long without getting paid.”

“‘For the last five years, it’s been really easy to be a real estate agent,’ Cassity said. ‘Now, I think you’re going to start to see maybe lower-end to middle-of-the-pack agents finding it tougher to wait 60, 90, 120 days to get a check.’”

“Matthew Shaver, a San Diego senior mortgage consultant with Finance of America, said he also predicts a drop off in workers for his profession. He said demand for refinance loans has dropped since interest rates rose. Nationwide loan applications in early July to refinance mortgages hit their lowest point in more than 17 years, said the Mortgage Bankers Association. At the same time, Shaver said many buyers are hitting an affordability wall, so there is not as much loan processing happening.”

“Shaver said potential buyers are having more trouble than last year qualifying for loans because prices have risen so much and, even if they do qualify, mortgage rates are high enough for them to want to avoid the payments. ‘There’s only so much new business to go around,’ he said.”

“Software engineer John Dorman, 31, of Mission Valley, started looking for a place to buy around June 2017 because of a desire to have more space and control of his own property. He got prequalified for a loan and began viewing properties, including condos in downtown, East Village, Mission Valley and College Area for $450,000 to $600,000. He also looked at a few run-down single-family homes for around $650,000 but wasn’t sold on them.”

“Dorman said he just didn’t see enough value for what he would have to pay and decided this May he wanted to use his money for other investments. ‘I think the market out here is reaching its peak and it is a terrible time to buy,’ he said. ‘I decided to keep my savings liquid, as opposed to tied up in a house.’”

“Chris Thornberg, economist and founding partner of Beacon Economics, said looking too much at the recent slowdown in sales is not the smartest idea. He said the economy is still strong and looking at sales numbers alone doesn’t tell the whole story. ‘There’s just not a lot there to panic about,’ he said. ‘It’s just a really tight market out there. There’s just not much to sell.’”

“There is no doubt that the desire for homeownership in San Diego County is strong, said Evan Morris, real estate agent based in Golden Hill. However, he has had potential buyers start to draw the line with rising prices. ‘People don’t want to pay $350,000 for a one bedroom, one bathroom (condo),’ he said.”

“However, Morris said there is opportunity for buyers if homes stay on the market longer, especially with many homes for sale that are priced much higher than what other homes in a neighborhood are going for. He said he recently was able to get $60,000 off the asking price for his clients purchasing a home in Bay Ho.”

From KIRO 7 in Washington. “After a red-hot housing market for the last three years, the Seattle area is showing signs of cooling as more homes sit on the market. The Northwest Multiple Listing Service said the number of active listings in King County in July was up nearly 48 percent from July 2017. Paul Endzell, of Dream Home Real Estate, has held five open houses at a 1941 home in Renton he listed for $525,000. If the same house were in Seattle, it might sell for $900,000. Endzell expected a lot of interest in the home.”

“‘I’m wondering where everybody is,’ he said.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2018-08-08 07:55:19

‘he has had potential buyers start to draw the line with rising prices. ‘People don’t want to pay $350,000 for a one bedroom, one bathroom (condo),’ he said.’

Jingle is game.

‘Morris said there is opportunity for buyers if homes stay on the market longer, especially with many homes for sale that are priced much higher than what other homes in a neighborhood are going for. He said he recently was able to get $60,000 off the asking price for his clients purchasing a home in Bay Ho’

Wait a minute:

‘many homes for sale that are priced much higher than what other homes in a neighborhood are going for’

Are you saying someone screwed up the comps?

Comment by Lisa
2018-08-08 16:07:50

‘he has had potential buyers start to draw the line with rising prices. ‘People don’t want to pay $350,000 for a one bedroom, one bathroom (condo),’ he said.’

Jingle is game.

Exactly, Ben. When I read this, I thought they’d likely be willing to pay $350,000 if they felt 10%+ annual appreciation was in the bag for however long they’d consider staying. Without that, funny how there’s just no interest in paying nosebleed prices, especially with rates moving up.

Comment by rms
2018-08-08 21:04:07

Tack on the commission and closing costs, HOA dues, annual property taxes, etc., and 10%+ annual appreciation wouldn’t pencil out considering the downside risk.

 
 
 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-08-08 07:56:10

Brambleton, VA Housing Prices Crater 12% YOY As Louden County, VA Housing Recovery Acccelerates

https://www.movoto.com/brambleton-va/market-trends/

Comment by foobarbaz
2018-08-08 09:33:42

Is that you Ben? lol

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-08-08 09:35:26

You are inviting deletion.

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-08-08 07:59:00

‘he has seen some properties sit longer on the market than last year and predicts a tough go for some real estate agents. He said top agents can wait for three months for a deal to close, and that will be very tough for struggling agents who won’t be able to go as long without getting paid’

Well Jason, there’s always one of those black market taxi things.

Comment by Apartment 401
2018-08-08 11:14:23

I can’t stop thinking about my ex coworker who just became a Realtor a few months ago (his wife is already a Realtor). He’s a 4th year electrician and all he had to do was pass the journeyman exam and could have maintained his license, just in case.

But no, because Realtor koolaid.

Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-08-08 11:22:51

Another tragically wasted career, thanks to the Housing Bubble.

 
Comment by Montana
2018-08-08 16:27:42

Maybe the exam had math.

 
 
 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-08-08 08:04:06

Glendora, CA Housing Prices Crater 7% YOY As LA Area Speculators Suffer Crushing Housing Losses

https://www.zillow.com/glendora-ca/home-values/

*Select price from dropdown menu on first chart

Comment by Daz
2018-08-08 10:59:25

But yet Zillow anticipates 12% appreciation there in the next 12 months.
Hmmm?

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-08-08 12:09:52

Zillow, like many others, haven’t gotten their empty skull wrapped around the concept of depreciation.

 
 
Comment by tango_uniform
2018-08-08 11:50:49

I can tell you that there are a growing number of “For Sale” signs in the Glendora/San Dimas/La Verne area. I pass by one property that’s had the same sign up for 3 months now.

Comment by Montana
2018-08-08 16:30:50

Glendora used to be Smog Central. Horrible.

 
 
 
Comment by taxpayers
2018-08-08 08:04:15

no panic
unless you own a lot
itb builders etf down 12% this year due to lack of supply …..er

Comment by Mafia Blocks
 
 
Comment by crispy&cole
2018-08-08 08:04:30

Chris Thornberg…perma bull real estate cheerleader clown

Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-08-08 09:36:53

He sold his soul to the REIC 😈.

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-08-08 08:05:01

‘Dorman said he just didn’t see enough value for what he would have to pay and decided this May he wanted to use his money for other investments. ‘I think the market out here is reaching its peak and it is a terrible time to buy,’ he said. ‘I decided to keep my savings liquid, as opposed to tied up in a house.’

Chris is right, this guy doesn’t seem panicked at all.

Comment by rms
2018-08-08 08:47:03

“People don’t want to pay $350,000 for a one bedroom, one bathroom (condo),” he said.

Well you can’t say Evan Morris, a real estate agent, is a liar.

Comment by BlueSkye
2018-08-08 13:34:32

One supposed truth does not a Realtor unmake.

 
 
Comment by Dave
2018-08-08 09:28:40

Dorman is my hero today!

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-08-08 08:10:04

‘Builders can’t finish homes fast enough to keep up with demand. All of this means prices for existing homes on the market are going only one direction — up, sometimes stranding people in their current homes even if they desperately want to move’

‘San Diego home sales recently dropped to their lowest level in years, likely much more to do with affordability constraints than the economy, but it might be a sign of things to come. In June there were 3,927 home sales in the county, CoreLogic said, which is the lowest in four years. The phenomenon is nationwide, largely led by a shortage of homes for sale, said Alan Gin’

As I said before, pay attention as this is a period before the REIC has a chance to find a scapegoat and pronounce their innocence.

Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2018-08-08 08:58:04

“a chance to find a scapegoat and pronounce their innocence.”

$capegoat$, $hortage$ & $tock$, oh, my! … just follow$ the yellow brick$ road!

Cramer says index fund buying and buybacks are creating a ‘$tock $hortage’

Those two trend$ are creating a “$tock $horrtage of epic proportion$,” the “Mad Money” host says.

Elizabeth Gurdus | CNBC

“The impact of these two trend$? Simple: they’ve created a $tock $hortage … of epic proportion$,” he said. “There just aren’t enough shares of big-cap companie$ to go around until sellers materialize.”

 
 
Comment by ibbots
2018-08-08 08:14:01

Dallas and 4 other Texas metros make the top 15 in the new list of U.S. boomtowns.

All of Texas’ major metros ended up near the top of the new ranking by Magnify Money. Dallas ranked in seventh place in the comparison of top U.S. growth cities.

While Texas towns hogged the beauty contest, cities in the Northeast and Midwest were near dead last in the ratings.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2018/08/08/dallas-texas-metros-make-new-list-us-boomtowns

Comment by OneAgainstMany
2018-08-08 10:50:31

I would agree with #2 on the list, Provo, UT, but I would not say that Ogden, UT is a boom town. Then again, it’s been a while since I’ve been to Ogden.

Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-08-08 10:54:27

Ogden was booming when I was last there within the past couple of years.

Comment by OneAgainstMany
2018-08-08 14:55:45

The IRS is Ogden’s largest employer as they have significant operations there. Also, there is Hill Airforce Base. I guess all that government money is helping it out.

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Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-08-08 08:18:44

Why is it again that everyone wants to live in California?

SMOKE
Mendocino Complex Fires creating poor air quality in Bay Area
A Spare the Air Alert has been issued for the Bay Area as poor air quality from the Mendocino Complex Fires continue to create hazy skies around the region. (KGO-TV)
By Amy Hollyfield
Wednesday, August 08, 2018 06:12AM
SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) –

The Mendocino Complex Fires are creating bad air quality around the Bay Area. It’s a Spare the Air Day, carpooling and public transit are encouraged to try and improve our air. You also need to take steps to protect yourself, especially the elderly, the very young and those with lung conditions.

Comment by Apartment 401
2018-08-08 11:16:43

The entire state of California is an ecological disaster unfit for human habitation.

 
 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2018-08-08 08:20:42

Softer housing prices and rents means lower inflation which means less need to raise interest rates. It is good news for a Trump type economy which is based on investment in production and less on consumer consumption.MAGA.

Comment by taxpayers
2018-08-08 08:33:26

maybe if he cut spending like Melania 40-50% there would be a lot less inflationary pressure
the 1.3 trillion thing lost me ,but I have spare room for Melania

 
Comment by crispy&cole
2018-08-08 09:16:34

Home prices are not calculated in the inflation numbers…

Comment by Mr. Banker
2018-08-08 10:14:52

“Home prices are not calculated in the inflation numbers…”

Bzzzzzzzzzzt! Go here, it’s second on the list:

“The CPI represents the cost of a basket of goods and services across the country on a monthly basis. Those goods and services are broken into eight major groups:

Food and beverages
Housing
Apparel
Transportation
Medical care
Recreation
Education and communication
Other goods and services”

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/consumerpriceindex.asp#ixzz5NbjhVKcK

Comment by OneAgainstMany
2018-08-08 10:49:08

I think what he may be referring to is that home prices are not included inflation per se. What is used as a proxy for home prices by the BLS’s CPI is “home owner’s equivalent rent”. So rent increases are what actually show up in the CPI. If housing prices are going up 6% but rent is going up 3%, then the CPI will only reflect 3% inflation. Also, if house prices drop 10%, but rent stays flat, then CPI will stay flat as far as housing is concerned.

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Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-08-08 10:52:40

“home owner’s equivalent rent”

That’s a statistical oxymoron that doesn’t reflect economic reality when so many greater fools are drinking of the real estate investing purple koolaid.

 
 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-08-08 10:49:20

I don’t think the full double-digit rate of Housing Bubble inflation gets directly entered into the CPI calculus. Otherwise I’m quite sure the 30%+ of household expenditures on housing would result in more than 2% CPI inflation (30% × 10% = 3% > 2%, assuming counterfactual 0% inflation in non-housing expenditures).

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Comment by crispy&cole
2018-08-08 11:23:35

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

This is rent….not housing appreciation…you should read up before you question people, you look foolish

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Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-08-08 11:36:19

Maybe the CPI “owners equivalent rent” methodology works when no housing mania is underway, but seems misleading when home prices are increasing at historically unprecedented rates of appreciation.

 
Comment by dgmoquin@yahoo.com
2018-08-08 13:34:40

Crispy it is why I said housing and rents, I do not think anyone is wrong here, housing prices are only indirectly included in the inflation numbers based on the home owner’s equivalency rent which on a month to month basis does not closely track rents but over the longer term it does. If house prices get too high people rent if they go down people buy and rents fall. In any event falling house prices soon result in declining rents.

 
Comment by dgmoquin@yahoo.com
2018-08-08 13:51:40

There is a twenty eight page document put out by the Federal Reserve in 2004 explaining in excruciating detail the relationship. Joshua Gallin wrote it. I have always considered that a housing bubble is occurring when both housing prices are out of line with both historical rent and income relationships. In 2006 we had both nationwide. Today they are out of line with incomes nationwide but with rents less uniformally. Hence my belief the correction will be less severe in the country as a whole but certainly quite severe in many coastal and “trendy” areas.

 
Comment by OneAgainstMany
2018-08-08 15:39:56

When house prices rise and rents are relatively low, people will rent. When rents rise and housing is relatively low, people will buy. When rents are high and housing prices are high, people will live in RVs, their cars, and/or become homeless.

America’s Housing Crisis Is Forcing More People To Live In Vehicles

Wealthy cities like Berkeley and Seattle are seeing a boom in people calling their cars and RVs “home.”

The Huffington Post

August 8th, 2018
David Uberti

“In late June, the city served an eviction notice on the vehicle dwellers, who were told they would be ticketed or arrested if they did not leave the marina willingly. The makeshift neighborhood, which the city claimed drew public safety and sanitation complaints, has split up as a result. Whitson and some of the others have since been parking in mostly industrial areas on Berkeley’s west side, shuffling their vehicles every 72 hours to avoid fines.”

““These are people who are turning to vehicles as affordable housing,” said Graham Pruss, a doctoral candidate at the University of Washington who studies vehicular residency in Seattle. “It’s not that they want to live a nomadic life. They’re looking at the environment around them and they see that options don’t exist for sedentary housing, so they create it.””

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Patrick
2018-08-08 08:22:24

Question for the group - Have realtors figured out a way to create an appearance of a shortage? To magnify the number?

Comment by Ethan in NoVA
2018-08-08 08:25:44

The banks held a lot of inventory off market until the market returned. I don’t think that was the Realtors doing though.

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-08-08 08:39:11

Relisting. For instance, it was reported that San Jose (or one of those little California places) had a 40% increase in inventory, but a days on market of 26 or so. Sure.

They can also hide price reductions in a relisting.

Comment by Patrick
2018-08-08 09:21:47

Have you ever seen the inventory numbers drop right before reporting?

I wonder if a bunch of listings can get removed at the right time of the month, report inventory, and then relist.

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Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-08-08 10:32:05

“National Association Of Realtors Caught Lying About Home Sales”

https://homesrealestateforsale.com/national-association-of-realtors-caught-lying-about-home-sales/

 
 
 
Comment by taxpayers
2018-08-08 08:31:40

City of Remsen pop 1650
you can hit a 9 iron to the edge of town
= shortage

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-08-08 09:08:35

It’s like ebola:

Las Vegas home prices ’slowing down,’ sales totals ‘leveling off’
Las Vegas Review-Journal-3 hours ago
Las Vegas house prices are cooling off this summer and the full-year sales tally … “We’re glad to see the housing supply increasing slightly in recent months,” …

 
Comment by BubblevilleCA
2018-08-08 09:39:19

“‘For the last five years, it’s been really easy to be a real estate agent,’ Cassity said. ‘Now, I think you’re going to start to see maybe lower-end to middle-of-the-pack agents finding it tougher to wait 60, 90, 120 days to get a check.’”

Good thing Uber and Lyft have work for them!

Comment by crispy&cole
2018-08-08 10:02:51

Waymo will end that in a few years…what will realtors do then? AirBNB their car backseats?

 
 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-08-08 10:17:19

Portland, OR Housing Prices Crater 14% YOY As Private Equity Initiates Multi-Year Housing Liquidation Strategy

https://www.zillow.com/portland-or-97209/home-values/

*Select price from dropdown menu on first chart

 
Comment by Mr. Banker
2018-08-08 10:34:06

“One of the largest banks issued an alarming warning that Earth is running out of the resources to sustain life”

Damn! I hate it when that happens.

“The world spent its entire natural resource budget for the year by August 1, a group of analysts at HSBC said in a note that cited research from the Global Footprint Network (GFN).”

So … what exactly does that mean?

“That means that the world’s citizens used up all the planet’s resources for the year in just seven months, according to GFN’s analysis.”

“In our opinion, these findings and events show that many businesses and governments are not adequately prepared for climate impacts, nor are they using natural resources efficiently,” the HSBC analysts said in the note.”

https://www.businessinsider.com/hsbc-warns-earth-is-running-out-of-resources-for-life-2018-8

 
Comment by Apartment 401
2018-08-08 11:36:34

Yet another new article about living in cars:

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b680be3e4b0fd5c73db49bf

 
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