The Slowdown Is An Indicator Of A Housing Bubble
A report from King 5 News in Washington. “Real estate experts are seeing a slight slowdown in the housing market around Seattle – and the trend has led to high dollar price drops on some homes. Ahmad Rabi is selling a home at 11259 Roseberg Ave S in Burien. ‘It’s a very nice place. It’s been remodeled down to the studs,’ he said. ‘Got new floors, doors, trim, triple pane windows.’ But the property, originally listed at nearly $600,000, has languished on the market for nearly four months. ‘It is a long time,’ said Rabi. ‘We had predicted the market was going to continue to go up. We overshot it, but we’re still getting a lot of traction.’”
“It led him to drop the list price by more than $100,000. It’s now listed on Redfin for $484,950. It’s not the only home with a large price drop. Brandon Carlson of Rock River Realty said he’d been forced to reduce the price of a home on Sylvester Way by more than $100,000. Carlson said it surprised him, judging by how hot the home market was just a few months ago. ‘I couldn’t get property out to buyers fast enough,’ he said.”
“Zillow senior economist Aaron Terrazas said these large pricing drops are more of a market correction than a bursting bubble. Carlson agreed that the price drops weren’t disastrous. Rabi echoed that of the home on Roseberg Avenue. ‘Yes, it was a big drop in price, but we were overshooting,’ he said. ‘They way we saw it, if it hits $600 or $550, that’s still way over what we projected to sell it for when we bought it a year ago.’”
The Post and Courier in South Carolina. “Charleston-area home sales slipped slightly in July for a second consecutive month. Home sales have been see-sawing for much of this year, and the back-to-back declines come after record-breaking sales in 2017. The president of the Charleston Trident Association of Realtors said the market is likely becoming more balanced rather than trending down. Kimberly Lease also noted that some experts believe the national summer slowdown is an initial indicator of a housing bubble because prices continue to escalate. She doesn’t think that’s the case locally.”
“‘I don’t believe an evening of the market will have negative consequences for us in Charleston,’ Lease said.”
From Nevada Business. “Local home prices are leveling off this summer as the housing supply has stopped shrinking but still remains tight. That’s according to a report released by the Greater Las Vegas Association of REALTORS. ‘Local home prices had been on the rise for most of 2018, but have been slowing down this summer,’ said GLVAR President Chris Bishop. ‘Sales have been leveling off, too. We’re glad to see the housing supply increasing slightly in recent months, but our inventory is still very tight. That tight supply has been dragging down home sales. At this rate, we’re on pace to sell fewer existing homes this year than we did last year. And it may be some time before local home prices get back to their all-time peak from 2006.’”
From Houston Agent Magazine in Texas. “Primary Luxury Auctions is putting another mansion in the Woodlands up for auction. The $6.75 million mansion will be sold without a reserve on Saturday, August 18. The mansion, located on 1.5 acres of land in the Carlton Woods area of The Woodlands, was built in 2016 with five bedrooms (with a room that could be a sixth), eight full bathrooms, two half bathrooms, a two-car garage, outdoor infinity pool and various other amenities. Seeing a luxury mansion sold in auction became a common situation in the Houston area since the decline in the oil industry, according to the Houston Business Journal.”
From Mansion Global on New York. “Earlier this month, two deep-pocketed Manhattan buyers bagged themselves a good deal. First, a penthouse unit at Manhattan’s prestigious and ever-so-rectangular 432 Park Avenue sold for $30.79 million, a 24% discount from its original $40.75 million price tag. Then, further downtown, a penthouse at 160 Leroy changed hands for $43.5 million, a 14% discount from the $51 million for which it was first listed.”
‘The two big bargains are not anomalies, Manhattan’s luxury real estate market has been on sale for nearly three years. Between Jan. 1 and May 31 of this year, 58.6% of luxury homes sold in Manhattan—defined as those priced at $4 million and over— were discounted between hitting the market and closing, according to data compiled for Mansion Global by StreetEasy. The median discount they received was $980,000.”
“It’s a steep rise from the 36.3% of luxury homes that received a discount between being listed and closing in 2016, and slightly up from the 54% of big-ticket homes that sold for a discount last year. In fact, it’s the highest proportion of reductions seen on luxury property since 2010, when 69% of Manhattan’s luxury sales received some form of discount, according to the data.”
“Discounts are happening more now due to rising price pragmatism from sellers, experts suggest, their hands somewhat forced by an oversupply in luxury inventory and dealing with buyers unwilling to budge on their budgets when the market is leaning their way. ‘A lot of [developers] have been building on strong demand for luxury homes in New York, but the building has outpaced the demand, and finding the right price is tricky at this point,’ Grant Long, senior economist at StreetEasy told Mansion Global.”
“Now, he said, sellers are trying to find their footing amidst the glut of supply. And they’re willing to adjust their prices. In Tribeca, an over-saturation of new development is what’s causing its prices to be adjusted downward. ‘Tribeca has a glut of new product on the market,’ said Manhattan real estate broker Richard Steinberg. ‘Developers are negotiating more because they have to get rid of their supply.’”
‘‘Local home prices had been on the rise for most of 2018, but have been slowing down this summer…Sales have been leveling off, too. We’re glad to see the housing supply increasing slightly in recent months’
Ebola.
Ebola Lola.
‘The two big bargains are not anomalies, Manhattan’s luxury real estate market has been on sale for nearly three years’
You don’t say. But with the B word being bounced around so much recently, I’ll ask again: was Manhattan a bubble? If so, has it popped? It would seem to be obvious. And what about Miami Beach?
If relatively small geographic areas like this can be overbuilt, how can there be a shortage anywhere?
‘It led him to drop the list price by more than $100,000…Carlson aid he’d been forced to reduce the price of a home on Sylvester Way by more than $100,000. Carlson said it surprised him, judging by how hot the home market was just a few months ago. ‘I couldn’t get property out to buyers fast enough,’ he said.’
Sharp retracements after a blow out peak are classic signs of a mania. See Sydney and Toronto.
‘Zillow senior economist Aaron Terrazas said these large pricing drops are more of a market correction than a bursting bubble’
Click!
https://www.redfin.com/WA/Seattle/11259-Roseberg-Ave-S-98168/home/187708
Jeebus, he’s been whacking the price like crazy. Yeah, 600k might be a bit much for a little blue box next to that vintage truck collection.
Beautifully remodeled home with new triple-pane windows, roof, siding & gutters, 95% efficiency furnace, interior & exterior paint, floors, modern wood grain & white cabinets w/ quartz counters, backsplash and new S/S Appl.
Surely the quartz counters will ensure a floor price of at last $600K.
Worse yet. Think of all the money in the last 10 years remodeling kitchens, bathrooms and floors. Not the clever people say that granite, dark kitchen cabinets and certain types of bathroom tiles are not in vogue. Granite, white cabinets are … and that is what the trendy buyers are paying top $s for.
What a frigging hamster wheel.
Surely sellers are entitled to get back all the money they invested in improvements. To suggest otherwise would be unfair and fail to recognize their sacrifices.
LOLz
this is S. Seattle - did he think that there was large area rejuvenation
Likely more a case of the only ‘affordable’ property they could find ‘to flip’
Burien is, by and large, a dump. Almost $500,000 to live near thugs and gang bangers is laughable.
“‘It is a long time,’ said Rabi. ‘We had predicted the market was going to continue to go up. We overshot it, but we’re still getting a lot of traction.’”
Throw another braindead speculator on the woodpile.
A flipper on the front line of the fire getting burned.
In addition to things the other posters have said about it being in such a wonderful neighborhood *cough* it’s very close to and right under the flight path into/out of SeaTac airport. If you watch the video, from the opening second you can see a plane on final approach.
Nothing says “you’ll love living here” like having jet engines roar by overhead every couple of minutes. And price per sq/ft is way too high (heck, I paid less)
Just more data to support what’s been said here - flippers and less desirable properties are on the front lines of change, no matter how much granite or quartz
lipstickcountertops are put on thepighouse.4 Bedrooms and only a one-car garage?
I guess all the boarders/roommates/couch-surfers park in the driveway or on the street. Like the houses in the neighborhoods around me. When I ride my bike early in the morning, it’s common to see 4 or 5 cars parked at a house.
Gosh, these outliers seem to be cropping up everywhere.
I’ve never seen so many outliers in any statistical distribution!
“That tight supply has been dragging down home sales.”
Of course it’s not that prices are too high, right? No, never.
‘it’s the highest proportion of reductions seen on luxury property since 2010…’
Gosh, Ben, you don’t suppose anyone might find their “investment” shack underwater in this environment, do you? That would be most distressing.
debt = money
when there is money behind the currency it enables the issuer to control the masses.
the luxury market is a joke. Its all that qE money.most people have to work for a living.
This warrants a re-post. Two trillion dollars is alot of money.
US students may collectively owe $2T in loans by 2021:
“In the last decade alone, student debt has surged by nearly 60 percent. And the latest forecast will only up the ante and financial pain. At this predicted growth rate, millions more are likely joining today’s cadre of 44 million American student-loan borrowers, with the average undergrad in 2017 owing $39,400, analysts say.”
https://nypost.com/2018/08/11/us-students-may-collectively-owe-2t-in-loans-by-2021/
No “pent-up demand” for $500,000 starter homes happening here.
The only way out of that debt is to buy a home, and gain equity in 5 years to pay off that debt /s
HAHA, id love to see even one report of that during the last run up…nope its his and hers SUV, man caves lipo and boob jobs, Disney and taking that unused “equity” and spending it, but never ever paying off those dumb student loans.
It would at least make sense a mortgage can be discharged in bankruptcy, those student loans are much more like a debtor’s prison.
Thanks to Biden (in part)!
Between the student loan debt and higher mortgage interest rates, 500K is going to be beyond their buying power’s grasp… for decades.
‘Yes, it was a big drop in price, but we were overshooting,’ he said. ‘They way we saw it, if it hits $600 or $550, that’s still way over what we projected to sell it for when we bought it a year ago.’
And it’s been on the market for 4 months. So is wild overpricing of quick flips a sign of a bubble zillow? I guess zillow isn’t an objective data source now that they are flipping shacks too.
“Experts” warn shack prices in the UK could be overvalued by “as much as 12 percent.”
Or as much as 75%, but let’s not spook the herd.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/08/12/housing-market-bubble-bubble-experts-warn-pricescould-overvalued/
How irresponsible mortgage lenders created a second housing bubble. (The central role of the Fed in gifting of trillions in fake money “stimulus” to Wall Street investment banks to speculate with wild abandon, as usual, is never addressed.)
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4189254-irresponsible-mortgage-lenders-created-second-housing-bubble
Flippers who bought in the spring and who are now listing their properties are going to have a hard time recovering their remodels.
I love it when flippers get burned badly or, better yet, go BK.
What’s going to happen is that they will not be able to sell at the break-even price, and since they are loaded up to their eyeballs in debt they will panic and try to rent it out at an inflated price to cover the monthly alligator. One problem: Rents are cratering. Their goose is cooked.
Flippers around here who bought in the spring this year are still waiting for the contractors to show up.
Personally, I’m waiting a couple years before considering doing anything non-necessary (like replacing the deck with composites) as I expect the job prices to be halved and the contractors asking “when would you like us to start?”
When Forbes or Barrons gets around to asking if housing prices are peaking, look out below.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwake/2018/08/08/are-home-prices-peaking/#1f0479ad70c7
Actually, it is usually a contrarian indicator. When they have a cover talking about falling prices it usually is a time to buy etc. I guess this is just an example of a clock being right twice a day.
Trust Barrons at your own risk.
http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/07/barrons-cover-g.html
Perhaps it is because the mainline media would like to see a recession in this country as the only way to stop the anti-globalist Trump. Personally, I think a housing correction would be good for the country and would shift resources from consumption to production. The Globalist’s role for the US is to consume goods produced in the rest of the world with borrowed money and inflated housing has maintained consumption. While they normally want the bubble to get bigger and bigger, getting Trump out has become an imperative since the more he succeeds the harder it is going to be to replace him with a globalist. Another example of globalist bias in the media:
https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/08/12/boris-vs-the-burqa-the-brexit-battle-begins/
“…that’s what post-modernism is: a conscious rejection of tradition and convention and authority and the canon and all the values that previous generations have taken for granted.”
Sounds to me like hippies in the 60’s.
Here’s to hoping Trump’s economic team learns from the mistakes of Trump’s predecessors and stops concentrating government subsidies on the REIC.
Why don’t you back up the truck and buy ten houses on this contrarian indicator?
Friday Harbor, WA Housing Prices Crater 10% YOY As Seattle Mortgage Fraud Epidemic Expands
https://www.movoto.com/friday-harbor-wa/market-trends/
Report from Toronto [I spent last week there visiting my folks in the suburbs, and looking for neighborhoods downtown that we were interested in moving to next year]
Well regarded suburban neighborhoods are still selling - but not at increasing prices. The horny house buyers with equity apparently don’t mind trading up. Even with horrific traffic going downtown and very expensive grocery and dining prices.
There are not any reasonable (older buildings) with rental vacancy in non hood areas. This is the crux of the issue for many folks.
Condos. There continue to be a massive amount coming online - with lots of offers to rent. I will admit that they are nice - but go from a tiny 2 br/bath on lower floors ($2700/month) to nice 1000 sqft 2 br/bath on high floors ($4000k/month).
We went to visit my cousin to see what could fit in a 800 sq ft condo unit - it was doable but tight for 2 br. She said that the initial owners for the unit were mostly all Chinese (whether living in Toronto or investing from afar). She rented from a Chinese owner for 2 years and then he was putting it on the market. He wanted to cash out and take his profits - it was taking months so she offered under listing and got it. The funny thing is that the last time she talked to him, he was bitter - because he thought he should have got a lot more appreciation since he was loosing a lot every month.
New places to build in Seattle. Partially the Amazon effect - but also pressure on the suburban governments to stop the worsening traffic and the riff-raff
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/real-estate/king-county-suburbs-slow-their-housing-growth-canceling-out-seattle-building-boom/
“But that’s only part of the explanation. For decades, local suburbs also built quite a lot of apartments, condos, townhomes and other dense forms of housing. From 1980 to 2010, Seattle accounted for only about 40 percent of all apartments and other multifamily buildings built in King County.
That’s right: For decades, the suburbs actually built more apartments than Seattle.
Now? This decade, Seattle has built 70 percent of the county’s dense housing, despite having only 15 percent of the county’s developable land:”
Toronto And Vancouver Housing Demand Collapses As Vacancy Rates Skyrocket
https://betterdwelling.com/this-weeks-top-stories-toronto-and-vancouver-detached-sales-continue-to-slow-while-mortgage-payments-and-helocs-soar/
Turkish Lira crashes to 7.22 - Goldman Sachs warned Turkey’s banking system would go tits up if the Lira went below 7.
Can you spell “systemic contagion,” boys and girls? I knew you could…
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-12/lira-crashes-through-700-erdogan-urges-turks-not-pull-money-out-banks
Sucks to be European banks with large loans to Turkey. Merkel should not mess with Trump and neither should Turkey, We should see a minister going home soon.
I LOL’d the other day when I heard Erdogan imploring Turks to swap their foreign currency and gold for Turkish pesos (aka lira).
Another reminder: we are in the process of providing F-35’s to this unstable country that seems to lean every way except toward the west and western values…
Meanwhile Mike Pence says we are now going to conquer space, so kiss your pension good bye.
BTW, wonder what effect this might have on PM’s?
Short term negative as dollar rises but the damage to fiat currency trust is positive in the longer term