August 24, 2018

Anxiety That A Developer Will End Up Holding The Bag

A report from Ithaca.com on New York. “Recent trends show the seemingly bottomless demand for student housing might have actually met its bottom, or is at least approaching it. ‘We are hearing the same complaints and it is getting stronger than it has in the last few years,’ Tompkins County Assessor Jay Franklin wrote in an email. ‘Ten years ago, I would say that vacancy wasn’t an issue at all. But starting 2 years ago, we started hearing more from landlords about vacancies they were experiencing. I think it will only get worse with the number of apartments we have being built, are in the planning stage, and also the projects that haven’t been formally announced yet.’”

“‘You’re definitely seeing a higher vacancy rate across the board because of all the new inventory that has come online,’ said Visum CEO Todd Fox. ‘Most of the growth has come in the student housing market. Because of all the new student housing beds being added to the market, we are starting to see price compression in rents [...] You cannot deny how it’s becoming increasingly difficult to lease apartments and how it’s taken significantly longer to get buildings rented. If you don’t think there is softening in the student housing market you’re either delusional or uninformed.’”

“Fox did not respond to questions regarding the possibility of a student housing ‘bubble.’ ‘Real estate is like musical chairs,’ Fox said. ‘Each time a new building gets built, the less opportunity exists in the market. The difference in the real estate industry is that you don’t want to be the last one to grab the chair.’”

“Landlords Association of Tompkins County Vice President Brian McElroy confirmed that they are hearing constant stories of landlords having to reduce monthly rents significantly and, even after that, still struggling to occupy their properties. ‘A lot of landlords who are having a hard time renting their apartments. I know of several landlords who are sitting on empty apartments, who have taken their rent down to 2012-2013 prices who still aren’t able to fill their apartment. This year has been a lot softer than people have talked about.’”

“As development continues, the remaining chances to jump into the market grows ever smaller, Fox said. With that comes more anxiety that a developer who gets into the market too late will end up holding the bag, and quite a few unoccupied units, when demand is finally satisfied.”

From the Tennessean. “Robert Piraino was just starting to feel at home, six months after moving into one of Nashville’s newest luxury buildings, when an email arrived saying that a new owner is transforming the complex into part-time hotel rooms. Piraino was not asked to move out of the Olmsted in SoBro. Instead, he was told he may be soon living in a building filled with revolving streams of tourist neighbors.”

“Miami-based Newgard Development Group bought the six-story understated charcoal-colored building for $90 million last week. The group is now rebranding the building in partnership with Airbnb for a new home-sharing apartment community startup called Niido. Thousands of new hotel rooms are under construction at more than 100 new hotels. Those new buildings are expected to open their doors in the next few years across the greater metropolitan area.”

“‘Professional people live in this building. Now we’re going to have strangers coming and going,’ Piraino said. ‘One of their ads says: ‘It’s spring break all year-round at Niido.’ I don’t want to come home to a place where people don’t care and leave garbage everywhere. That’s not the community vibe I want to live in.’”

From Curbed DC. “The District’s top lawyer is notifying landlords who appear to lease apartments like hotel rooms that they may be breaking the law. D.C. Attorney General Karl Racine sent letters requesting information about short-term rental practices from 19 owners and managers of 33 multifamily buildings in the city suspected of running hotel-type operations. In a release, Racine’s office does not specify the landlords or their buildings, but says blocks of short-term rentals—usually advertised on vacation websites—are ‘concentrated in neighborhoods like Logan Circle, Dupont Circle, Capitol Hill, and Chinatown.’”

“Laws require businesses to provide adequate disclosures about the material terms of the goods or services they sell, and prohibit landlords from converting rent-controlled units into temporary accommodations, respectively. Racine’s office argues that operating rentals less than 90 days in length in apartment buildings is misleading when tenants are not made aware of the activity.”

“Public complaints about the disruptions that short-term rental guests can cause have also seen an uptick. In December, residents of a luxury apartment building in Logan Circle told the Washington City Paper that temporary visitors threw loud parties and clogged common areas, and that their landlord had not fully disclosed the extent of the activity before they moved in.”

“Residents of another luxury apartment building, along the H Street NE corridor, also told the paper in July that they had experienced similar issues, including ‘[drunk] interns launching fireworks off the roof’ and overtaking the building’s pool.”

From Bisnow. “Market forces in most cities are making it nearly impossible to build new housing that the middle class can afford — and the gap between subsidized low-income housing and high-end apartments is wider than ever. From coastal economic hubs to Midwestern industrial towns, cities have experienced rising rents that have not been matched by wage increases. For middle-class renters who cannot qualify for subsidized housing, finding affordable apartments on the market has become more challenging by the year.”

“While cost burdens for most renters have gone up, those with the means to splurge on an apartment have been presented with more options than ever. There has been a boom of high-end apartment construction this cycle, accompanied by a stagnant — and in some cases shrinking — supply of affordable, middle-class housing. Since the recession, the number of Class-A multifamily units, those commanding the highest rents, has grown to 5 million nationwide, up from 3.9 million, while the stock of Class-B and C units has remained virtually unchanged at 5.7 million, according to Fannie Mae.”

“Developers are often seen as a major cause of the problem, viewed as avaricious operators who only want to build luxury condominiums. The reality, developers told Bisnow, is far more complex. Their ability to build housing is stymied by the price of land, rising construction costs, few tax incentives and, ultimately, a lending environment that simply does not support workforce housing. When it comes to building housing, developers said, they don’t set the rent.”

“‘The reality is, the bank is saying, ‘If all else fails, we need to make sure we are not losing money,’ said André Bueno, the founder of Los Angeles-based real estate investment firm Bueno Group. ‘[They say] here’s where your rents need to be, and here’s the cap rate we are applying to the project.’”

From KFOR in Oklahoma. “Students at the University of Oklahoma are moving this week into student housing. However, not many are choosing the new luxury student apartments on campus. ‘Those residents halls not getting filled is a huge issue,’ said student Asher Nees. ‘When I saw that they were constructing them, I thought didn’t they just build two great brand new ones across from Headington, yes and I don’t think they can even fill those ones,’ Nees said.”

“The apartments have rates close to $4,000 for a two bedroom and more than $6,000 for a one bedroom with a bath, per semester. The apartments are only 70 percent filled - a waste of money, according to some students. The newest apartment, Cross, is only 28 percent occupied.”

From Williamette Week in Oregon. “Last week, WW wrote about luxury apartment owners using an approach to attract new renters: offering move-in freebies like Amazon gift cards, Visa check cards, six weeks free rent and yearlong health club memberships. Here’s how readers weighed in. PostMichael McKeeism: ‘What a brilliant idea: build unaffordable housing and then bribe potential residents with gift cards that transfer wealth to a company largely responsible for its home city’s housing crisis.’”

“Bobby Benson: ‘Or you know, they could build housing that people could afford and forget about the perks. Just a thought.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2018-08-24 07:00:12

‘The reality is, the bank is saying, ‘If all else fails, we need to make sure we are not losing money,’ said André Bueno, the founder of Los Angeles-based real estate investment firm Bueno Group. ‘[They say] here’s where your rents need to be, and here’s the cap rate we are applying to the project.’

Got a bag André?

‘The apartments have rates close to $4,000 for a two bedroom and more than $6,000 for a one bedroom with a bath, per semester. The apartments are only 70 percent filled - a waste of money, according to some students. The newest apartment, Cross, is only 28 percent occupied’

Comment by taxpayers
2018-08-24 07:49:26

I thought the student housing thing was pooh poohed long ago

revelations in the press

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-08-24 07:51:58

‘only 70 percent filled…Cross, is only 28 percent occupied’

That’s right up there with the Seattle bag holders.

‘We believe in Seattle:’ Despite inventory glut, developer starts …
Puget Sound Business Journal (Seattle)-16 hours ago
The apartment building boom in downtown Seattle is not over just yet. A Canadian development company on Thursday said it is starting …

Comment by b
2018-08-24 08:19:58

Lets start fencing and digging. 500 condos on 2nd between Pike and Pine. Are we at peak luxury condos+apartments in downtown Seattle?

Per the title of this posting who is left leaving the bag.

Just a guess — but perhaps the consultants and salespeople will be paid - and this highly regarded Chinese Holding Group will have to sort it out for the next XX years.

Further in the article: “Plus Investment, Ltd. directs and manages U.S. investments for Plus Investment Holding Group, an international investment services company that owns and operates companies with a primary focus on servicing China’s rapidly growing luxury marketplace. It is involved in global capital management, finance, aviation acquisition and leasing and real estate development, including the first Sotheby’s International Realty franchise in China, which is a vital part of their new luxury lifestyle platform, according to the company’s web site.”

https://news.theregistryps.com/plus-investment-usa-has-plans-for-an-approximately-500-unit-condo-tower-planned-for-downtown-seattle/

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Comment by Sean
2018-08-24 09:49:44

How’s that building coming along? I haven’t been to Seattle in a while but the last time I saw that unit it was just a big hole in the ground, so big I thought they would have gone past the water table level.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-08-24 07:03:09

‘You’re definitely seeing a higher vacancy rate across the board because of all the new inventory that has come online,’ said Visum CEO Todd Fox. ‘Most of the growth has come in the student housing market. Because of all the new student housing beds being added to the market, we are starting to see price compression in rents [...] You cannot deny how it’s becoming increasingly difficult to lease apartments and how it’s taken significantly longer to get buildings rented. If you don’t think there is softening in the student housing market you’re either delusional or uninformed.’

‘Fox did not respond to questions regarding the possibility of a student housing ‘bubble.’ ‘Real estate is like musical chairs,’ Fox said. ‘Each time a new building gets built, the less opportunity exists in the market. The difference in the real estate industry is that you don’t want to be the last one to grab the chair.’

Shortage?

 
Comment by whirlyite
2018-08-24 07:11:01

“With that comes more anxiety that a developer who gets into the market too late will end up holding the bag, and quite a few unoccupied units, when demand is finally satisfied.”

I have no such anxiety.

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-08-24 07:15:27

Another issue is lateness may not matter. Existing landlords get hammered too. This guy is a big apartment CEO and he’s worried obviously.

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-08-24 07:16:37

‘In December, residents of a luxury apartment building in Logan Circle told the Washington City Paper that temporary visitors threw loud parties and clogged common areas, and that their landlord had not fully disclosed the extent of the activity before they moved in.’

‘Residents of another luxury apartment building, along the H Street NE corridor, also told the paper in July that they had experienced similar issues, including ‘[drunk] interns launching fireworks off the roof’ and overtaking the building’s pool’

Stay Klassy DC.

Comment by Post-Structuralist
2018-08-24 10:53:32

Great example of the fallacy of the “luxury” designation. These generic airboxes were never luxurious; they were just expensive. Now these buildings are nothing but sleazy spring break motels.

So much for the myth of “rich renters” and “rich retirees.” Of course taking a formerly affordable housing model, making it expensive (but not better), and calling it “luxury” is a great way to create a phony class war by turning one set of victims of this scheme against another. I think we were supposed to envy or resent these “rich renters” and “rich retirees,” who are paying huge percentages of their incomes to live in these “luxury” buildings that now feature fun midnight fire drills and scenic garbage in the hallways.

So who exactly is enjoying a better standard of living from this glorious economic boom? Certainly not the occupants of these “luxury” buildings/motels, nor their counterparts in class-B and C value-adds, nor the people priced out entirely living in storage units and cars. Nor the landlords, whose cap rates and occupancy are so low they find themselves operating an unregulated hotel (with its attendant risks and liabilities) to keep the illusion going another few months.

It will be one of the great ironies looking back on this bubble that the perfume of “luxury” permeated everything while in fact most parties involved were subjected to a drastic decline in the bare minimum of every possible standard.

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*Formerly posted as ‘Lurker,’ changed username to avoid confusion with new posters.

Comment by Carl Morris
2018-08-24 11:17:25

So who exactly is enjoying a better standard of living from this glorious economic boom?

Sounds like a question for Mr. Banker. As usual.

Comment by Anonymous
2018-08-24 15:55:23
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Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2018-08-24 12:13:18

” …looking back on this bubble that the perfume of “luxury” permeated everything …”

To bee expected, the collective participant$ of real e$tate “True Believer$”, $oak them$elves in their alway$ appreciating Obe$$ion of equity profit$.

 
Comment by Neuromance
2018-08-24 16:14:57

Current monetary policy (low interest rates, large balance sheets, etc) facilitates a transfer of purchasing power from young to old, and from new asset holders to existing asset holders. Also current education policy facilitates a purchasing power transfer from young to older.

Consider the stock market and 401k’s. As long as more money is going into the market than leaving it, the market will keep going up.

If this tidal flow continues, will the next generation have enough depth and liquidity to keep the market going up? Or will the existing stock market participants have enough liquidity to keep the market high, like say the art market or bitcoin?

I remember seeing a stat, 85% of stocks are held by 10% of Americans.

I dunno, maybe. Maybe not. Something to consider.

 
 
 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-08-24 07:22:53

Emeryville, CA Housing Prices Crater 11% YOY As Bay Area Housing Goes Off The Rails

https://www.movoto.com/emeryville-ca/market-trends/

 
Comment by Larry Littlefield
2018-08-24 07:27:20

The thing about Oklahoma is actual education has been completely de-funded there. The cut taxes from one of the lowest state and local tax burdens in the country, with much of the damage going to teachers.

The emphasis seems to be on bling, not basics. I guess they have given up on creating a university the football team could be proud of.

Comment by Mr. Banker
2018-08-24 08:04:36

It’s not about creating a university the football team could be proud of, it’s about creating a football team the university could be proud of. Or, rather, the alumni could be proud of.

If the alumni is proud of the university’s football team then milking them for contributions is easy. If the football team sucks then the alumni get pissed because it is denied its bragging rights and thus the alumni’s contributions to the university goes into the toilet.

Do any of you pukes wonder why universities are willing to pay their football coaches so much money?

Comment by Lurking Lurker
2018-08-24 09:03:30

Do any of you pukes wonder why universities are willing to pay their football coaches so much money?

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Because the school makes many tines as much money in football related revenue. Paying $5m to a coach is an excellent ROI if it means 100k seats filled at every game and TV money. Personally I dont care about football, but I appreciate why good coaches are paid a lot.

 
 
Comment by Lurking Lurker
2018-08-24 09:00:25

Lol. Yeah those poor teachers who only work 8 months a year, retire at 50 with full pension and benefits, and have job security for life no matter how incompetent. Stop, just stop.

Comment by octal77
2018-08-24 10:12:56

So you wonder where your tax dollars are going:

If you live in California, check out this database

https://transparentcalifornia.com/

Salary and pension info for virtually any public employee.

 
Comment by Taxpayers
2018-08-24 10:53:16

Age 55 here w 75% of pay
Hand that rocks the cradle

 
Comment by Post-Structuralist
2018-08-24 11:11:25

To the HBB regulars - I just want to reiterate that I have changed my handle from ‘Lurker’ to ‘Post-Structuralist,’ and am in NO WAY AFFILIATED WITH ‘Lurking Lurker’ above or anyone else adding ‘lurker’ to their name. Their views ARE NOT MINE and anything they may say has nothing whatsoever to do with me. It was my mistake in sticking with such an unoriginal nickname for so long. Though I’m pleased to see the rise in new posters correlated to the beginning of a return to sanity in the markets.

Comment by Anonymous
2018-08-24 15:58:38

Same here. I’ve seen someone else using “Anonymous.” But I’ll put up with imposters if it means housing prices decrease! :D

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Comment by ibbots
2018-08-24 07:39:11

IRS Proposes Killing SALT Cap Workarounds

The Treasury Department moved Thursday to block attempts by New York, New Jersey and Connecticut to let taxpayers circumvent the new $10,000 cap on state and local tax deductions.

Treasury’s proposal would also pinch tax-credit programs that benefit private schools in Georgia, Arizona and elsewhere, largely preventing taxpayers there from getting more money back in tax breaks than they contribute in donations.

The red-state programs—and more recent blue-state counterparts, enacted this year—can take payments limited by the new federal cap on state and local tax deductions and turn them into charitable contributions that don’t hit the same limit.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/treasury-moves-to-block-new-yorkers-path-around-cap-on-state-tax-deductions-1535055928

The article doesn’t mention CA but I thought they were working on something similar.

There are a lot of folks in the nicer parts of DFW who pay well in excess of $10k/yr in property taxes, plus the sales tax deduction, who are going to get limited.

Comment by taxpayers
2018-08-24 07:51:42

they’ll be moving to right to work red type states soon
see howmoneywalks.com

Comment by Lurking Lurker
2018-08-24 10:56:58

And vote for Democrats who will turn the states into the s-holes they left. See Oregon, Nevada, Colorado and soon to be Arizona, Montana and Idaho.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-08-24 07:46:25

“While cost burdens for most renters have gone up, those with the means to splurge on an apartment have been presented with more options than ever. There has been a boom of high-end apartment construction this cycle, accompanied by a stagnant — and in some cases shrinking — supply of affordable, middle-class housing.”

Does GSE funding allocation help explain the high-end apartment boom?

Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-08-24 07:56:21

This might pass the duck typing test for bubble financing. Who decided to transform America from an Ownership Society to a Rentership Society?

GSE multifamily-financing activity remains elevated

The government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) bankrolled a lesser volume of multifamily loans in the first half of this year, but the numbers remain elevated compared to recent history.

The GSEs financed a total of $54.4 billion in multifamily mortgages in the January-June period, the agencies recently reported. This was down 5 percent from the volume in the first half of 2017.

The lesser volume was due to a drop in Fannie Mae’s activity. Fannie provided $25.8 billion in liquidity to the multifamily sector in the first half of 2018, down nearly 16 percent from the $30.7 billion for the same period in 2017.

Freddie, by contrast, was ahead of last year’s pace. In the first six months, Freddie financed $28.2 billion in multifamily loans, up 6.7 percent from the $26.8 billion it bankrolled in the first six months of last year. Last year, Freddie’s multifamily funding level was $73.2 billion.

The GSEs reported that their activities in the first six months provided liquidity to 342,000 rental units each. In the second quarter, 90 percent of the loans funded by Fannie and 87 percent by Freddie were tied to rental units that were affordable to families earning at or below the median wage, the GSEs reported.

Last year, the GSEs financed a total of $140.2 billion in the multifamily space, a large share of which was driven by financing tied to “green” apartment buildings. The overall GSE funding last year was 325 percent higher than in 2010, when their combined financing in multifamily was just $33 billion.

 
 
Comment by octal77
2018-08-24 08:03:34

“…said Visum CEO Todd Fox…”

“…if you don’t think there is softening in the student housing market you’re either delusional or uninformed….”

Todd Fox, let me lay this factoid on you: Students are rapidly realizing what a complete con job higher education has become for many professions..

Why would someone take on tens or even hundreds of thousands of non-dischargeable debt that can take decades to repay to finance an education that is essentially useless in the job market?

Probably the same mindset of those of take on hundreds or even millions of debt load to finance some crap shack real estate that they believe is going to make them rich.

Oh wait a minute, Todd, your telling me that students saddled with loads of debt aren’t going to be able to buy even “entry level” housing?

Me thinks that’s why CEO’s get paid the big bucks to come up with such brilliant insights.

Comment by Mr. Banker
2018-08-24 08:17:21

“Why would someone take on tens or even hundreds of thousands of non-dischargeable debt that can take decades to repay to finance an education that is essentially useless in the job market?”

Because our No-Child-Left-Behind educational system completely destroyed any semblance of rational thinking among eighteen-year-old high school students (who, at that age think they know everything anyway but actually are as dumb as rocks) and replaced this absence with the mantra that a college education - ANY college education covering ANY subject - is VITAL to success in life even though there is ample evidence to be found by anyone who cares to look that this mantra is not at all true.

But, hey, it makes for a good living for the lenders.

Comment by oxide
2018-08-24 11:24:42

It’s not the kids who lost the rational thinking… it’s their *parents* — boomers, of course. To be fair, back when Boomers were 18, there were so few kids in college that a real degree in anything was a ticket to a good-paying job. They think the same will happen to their precious snowflakes — only it’s not true. Now their kids are paying $200K to complete with everyone else.

Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2018-08-24 12:21:20

Life has a way of learnin’ folk$, … the only co$ts are the pain$ they have to endure.

hammer + swing + thumb = free le$$on (some learn fast!)

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Comment by OneAgainstMany
2018-08-24 21:11:37

This same kind of logic applies to housing. Boomers have only experienced rising house values and many of them bought when valuations were more reasonable. So what advice do they give their children? Well, they convince them that real estate is a no-brainer and is a key to building wealth. Never mind that there is great nuance. When you hear platitudes such as, “education is the key to success”, you just have to shrug it off and ask deeper questions: what type of education? At what cost? Where and how?

Same goes for real estate. Buying can be an okay move, so long as you are not buying at drastically inflated prices and only if your personal financial situation warrants a purchase.

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Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-08-24 08:09:07

Beaufort, NC Housing Prices Crater 13% YOY As Plunging NC Beach/Vacation Housing Market Bankrupts Coastal Homeowners

https://www.zillow.com/beaufort-nc/home-values/

*Select price from dropdown menu on first chart

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2018-08-24 08:09:08

Has anyone noticed an uptick in terms like bag holder?

Wells Fargo layoffs in Rancho Cordova may be harbinger for …
Sacramento Business Journal-14 hours ago
This layoff is at least the second at a Sacramento area mortgage lender in recent months, and may be a sign of things to come. Rising housing prices and…

Sign of things to come? When lenders are getting canned, the game is already over.

Wells Fargo lays off 137 from Orlando mortgage operations
Orlando Business Journal-17 hours ago
laid off 137 employees in the Orlando area for its mortgage operations.

 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-08-24 08:17:58

Falls Church, VA Housing Prices Crater 9% YOY As Accelerating Federal Layoffs Decimate NoVA/DC Housing Market

https://www.movoto.com/falls-church-va/market-trends/

 
Comment by Lurking Lurker
2018-08-24 08:48:18

Millenial mentality strikes again we must live in luxury apartments while in college. Not to get all get off my lawn guy here, but when I was in college I lived in a dump. But who cares? Place to sleep basically, I was never home anyway. But today’s entitled millenial needs granite counters, stainless steel, pool, sauna and concierge service. And people wonder why they graduate with $200k student debt. No worries, Uncle Bernie and Aunt Liz Warren will foegive all that debt after all.

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-08-24 08:58:12

The last minor correction the government threw everything at the problem including the kitchen sink and it still didn’t prevent housing prices from falling 40% +.

Oh well.

 
Comment by Mr. Banker
2018-08-24 09:13:05

College today is an extension of high school, an extension of adolesence, and extend journey into Never Never Land, where one never has to grow up.

A college puke is always in the state of “becoming”. Once this puke graduates his state transforms from one of “becoming” to one of “having arrived”.

Sometimes (usually?) this having arrived state sucks, sucks big time, sucks so much that this recently graduated - this having arrived - puke convinces himself that he needs to go back to college (aka his safe space) so as to obtain an advanced degree (and also so he can put off for a few more years his once-again attempt to leave the make-believe world of Never Never Land and enter into the harsh, cold, and very real Real World.

And just how does puke manage to do this? Just what is it that he uses for money?

Bahahahahahahaha … this is the point where I become one his newest and his bestest of all of his best friends.

😁

 
Comment by Sean
2018-08-24 09:45:22

Obviously Millenials don’t demand luxury since the vacancy rate is high and getting higher on these units. Plus just adding the words “luxury” doesn’t make it so. Not like the marketing team of this company is gonna label it as “Just a basic college apartment, nothing special”.

Comment by Lurking Lurker
2018-08-24 10:54:32

Sean,

They are demanding it. The developers overbuilt. But they overbuilt because there is a finite amount students, not because the students arent demanding it. Have you seen a regular dorm riom these days? It is basically a luxe studio apartment filled with $1000s of electronics. Can’t live sans an ipad, iphone, Alexa, ibook and 60″ tv. That would be cruel and unusual pynishment for da snowflake generation.

Comment by Sean
2018-08-24 12:25:34

Once again, if they demanded it why are thevacancy rates so high? Why do they offer Amazon gift cards and such to get kids in?

Don’t get me wrong, there is some demand from overbearing parents and their little bundles of joy - but for the most part I’d argue most college kids just wanna be college kids and do fun stuff like throw couches off the 12th floor just to see if you could hit the dumpster. (Me and my friends in 1995)

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Comment by oxide
2018-08-24 11:33:16

The youngest Millenials are now 23-25. Some of them demanded luxe apartments, but by the time the apartments were permitted and built, the Millenials were gone. And Gen Y isn’t going to fall for expensive housing — they know full well about the Millenial college debt.

 
 
Comment by octal77
2018-08-24 10:38:29

“…we must live in luxury apartments while in college…”

I attended LMU/LA ‘69->’73.

I was lucky enough to live in the on-campus dorms.

A bed, a 40 year old desk, a desk lamp, no telephone.

We all thought it was going to be a good week when the showers (down the hall) were operational and the hot water worked.

“…But today’s entitled millenial needs granite counters, stainless steel, pool, sauna and concierge service….”

Today, I make an excellent salary and I *still* don’t live like that.

 
Comment by Fisherman
2018-08-24 10:59:48

In my experience, it is parents pushing their millenials into the swankiest and “safest” apartments. Kids are kids. They can adapt to anything.

Comment by Carl Morris
2018-08-24 11:20:34

Exactly. It’s the parents who are nuts. Which is usually a combination of competitiveness and desperation.

But remember that Millenials are adults now, well along in life. No need to lump all the younger gens together just because we’re old farts now.

 
 
Comment by OneAgainstMany
2018-08-24 21:12:38

When I was in college, I lived at home. I also had a scholarship, and I worked two jobs. I came out of college with $40k in the bank.

Comment by OneAgainstMany
2018-08-24 21:15:51

Also, I’m a millennial, albeit an “old” millennial.

 
 
 
Comment by crispy&cole
2018-08-24 09:09:26

Seattle…bubble bursting…yet there are 20 plus cranes in the metro skyline…

Comment by b
2018-08-24 09:51:50

actually Seattle has 65 (top in nation) with NYC at 20 and LA at 36. But never mind since Toronto is top at 97.

https://seattle.curbed.com/2018/7/24/17608278/seattle-construction-crane-count-report

However, many of them are offline:
Seattle may have the most cranes in the sky, but on Tuesday many of them won’t be in use: The union representing Washington state crane operators and construction engineers has gone on strike after its members rejected a new contract on Monday.

Comment by crispy&cole
2018-08-24 09:56:49

Didn’t realize it was that high…my family lives on MI and so I usually try to do a count when i visit….

Wow! Thanks for the update!

Comment by b
2018-08-24 10:06:25

RE: crane operators and construction engineers strike.

I saw them walking the picket line downtown and at the Google building construction site in South Lake Union.

The title if this posting is who is left holding the bag.

The owner companies (Vulcan for the Google buildings) better pay these strikers off before the delay fines hit next year

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Comment by Anonymous
2018-08-24 16:05:55

There were quite a few when I was in Seattle back in February. But not 65.

 
 
 
Comment by lostinspace
2018-08-24 09:13:28

College students need to live in dumps. I can only imagine what happens to the floors in these lux apts. when somebody spills bong water and forgets to clean it up. In a dump, the stain just adds ambience.

Comment by ipfreely
2018-08-24 10:38:28

You make a good point. I remember doing some work on one of those new fraternity row type places. Essentially the college built a whole new street of large frat houses to replace the old completely trashed ones. From the outside everything looked fine but on the inside the rapid decline was impressive. The particular one I was at was 4 stories and had a big open area with a little stage that the balcony hallways to the rooms looked down on. The area in front of the stage was filled knee high with empty beer cans. I think all 4 floors just threw all their cans off the balconies. The only time I’ve ever seen more empty cans is at a recycling place. It was an impressive display and I’m sure you can imagine how well they treated the rest of their new home.

 
 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-08-24 10:06:19

Arvada, CO Housing Prices Crater 8% YOY As Liar Loans Make Up Majority Of Denver Area Lending Since 2009

https://www.movoto.com/arvada-co/market-trends/

 
Comment by Boo Randy
2018-08-24 16:31:33

“Bobby Benson: ‘Or you know, they could build housing that people could afford and forget about the perks. Just a thought.’”

There’s a third option here, Bobby: All those overpriced luxury developments could go to foreclosure option, be purchased for pennies on the dollar, and then reopen as affordable apartments.

 
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