The Problem Of Having Banks Too Big To Fail
A report from Kenneth Harney. “When the Federal Reserve polled senior bank executives last month on whether they’ve been loosening credit criteria for home-mortgage applicants, most bankers said, ‘no way, not us.’ They’ve kept their rules tight to avoid the problems the lending industry experienced in the housing bust of the last decade. But there’s new statistical evidence that, at least in some areas, standards have been easing. A study conducted by credit-score developer FICO and released earlier this month found that credit scores for new mortgages have been dropping.”
“‘As we get further away from the Great Recession,’ FICO researchers said, ‘underwriting criteria seems to have eased and a broader section of consumers are obtaining mortgages as a result.’ The study did not specify which type of loans exhibited the most easing.”
“New loans with FICO scores below 700 — including some in the rock-bottom 400s and 500s — have increased from 21.9 percent of the market in 2009 to just under 30 percent (29.7 percent) last year, according to FICO researchers. (FICO scores range from 300, indicating severe credit history problems and high risk of default, to 850, where the probabilities of missed payments or default are extremely low.)”
“So where’s the easing been occurring? Conventional mortgage approval requirements haven’t budged much at the giant investors Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. But Federal Housing Administration (FHA) insured loans appear to be a strikingly different story. During January through March of this year, the average credit score for new home purchase loans was 672, according to FHA data. By contrast, the average was 701 during the same period in 2011. Refinancings where borrowers replace their existing FHA loans with new ones carried average FICO scores of 709 in mid-2012; earlier this year that had plummeted to 661.”
“There’s also been a big increase in FHA loans with high debt-to-income ratios (DTIs) within the past several years. DTIs are a crucial measure of home buyers’ ability to repay their loans. Between January and March of 2018, one of every four FHA loans had a DTI ratio of more than 50 percent, according to the latest data available from FHA. As recently as 2013, just 12.7 percent of approved new FHA applications carried such a high debt load. Between January and March of this year, almost 30 percent of new FHA borrowers had DTIs between 43 percent and 50 percent.”
“Your FICO score may meet FHA’s easing standards, and your DTI may pass the test. But if you have to spend half or more of your income on your mortgage and other credit payments, you need to ask: Can we really handle this?”
The Star Tribune. “Part of the fun of going every year to the Minnesota State Fair is seeing what’s new — and this year that included Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis President Neel Kashkari talking about the Federal Reserve and economic issues. Patience also seems to be required for another Minneapolis Fed priority: a proposal to solve the problem of having banks too big to fail, meaning banks so big and important to the economy that the taxpayers have no choice but to bail them out if they got themselves into trouble.”
“Not that many people know as much about this topic as Kashkari, who 10 years ago this week was at the U.S. Department of the Treasury and on the front line of trying to contain the damage of the unfolding financial crisis.”
“Kashkari has said, and repeated this week at the fair, that the idea to pursue this is a research project came from colleagues at the Minneapolis Fed, who had been working on the problem of too big to fail for years. Their solution, dubbed the Minneapolis Plan, includes requiring the biggest banking companies to hold a lot more equity capital to absorb losses. Kashkari likened it to the way mortgage companies reduce their risk by requiring a 20-percent down payment to get a mortgage.”
“‘The banks are safer than they were 10 years ago,’ Kashkari said. ‘So I use that 20 percent as the number we want to get too, for their skin in the game. They are at about 10 percent today. Ten, 12 years ago there were at about half that. So they are safer. But by our analysis, they’re not nearly safe enough.’”
The Title Report. “Foreclosure starts increased in 44 percent of the nation’s metropolitan statistical areas (MSAs), according to ATTOM Data Solutions. ‘The increase in foreclosure starts is not just a one-month anomaly in many local markets given that July represented the third consecutive month with a year-over-year increase in 33 metro areas, including Los Angeles, Miami, Houston, Detroit, San Diego and Austin,’ ATTOM Senior Vice President Daren Blomquist said.”
“‘Gradually loosening lending standards over the past few years have introduced a modicum of risk back into the housing market, and that additional risk is resulting in rising foreclosure starts in a diverse set of markets across the country,’ Blomquist added. MSAs posting year-over-year increases in foreclosure starts in July included Los Angeles (up 20 percent); Houston (up 76 percent); Philadelphia (up 10 percent); Miami (up 29 percent); and San Francisco, (up 10 percent).”
The Tampa Bay Times in Florida. “While checking on August foreclosure auctions, Peter Filippello found a townhouse in Largo he liked. He did ‘a little digging’ and discovered that the company foreclosing and the company being foreclosed were headed by the same person — Clearwater lawyer Roy C. Skelton. ‘I smelled a rat so I got out,’ Filippello said. ‘The plaintiff was one and the same as the defendant. How can somebody sue themselves or put a judgment on themselves?’”
“Filippello wasn’t the first person to have issues with a foreclosure auction involving Skelton-connected companies. Last year, a judge threw out the $458,100 sale of a Redington Beach condo because of what he called an ‘unscrupulous’ scheme by Skelton to trick bidders. The Florida Bar confirmed it has a pending case against Skelton but would give no details. He said the Bar asked him to describe his actions in the Redington Beach auction.”
“In 2015, his Outbidya took title to the Redington Beach condo with a bid of $157,800 at an HOA auction. Shortly after Wells Fargo began foreclosing on the first mortgage, Skelton created Deutsche Residential Mortgage and issued a second mortgage to Outbidya. Last year, with the bank’s case moving slowly, Deutsche got a final judgement of foreclosure on its mortgage At auction, Orlando Realty Group bid $458,100. Only later did the company’s owner, John Houde, discover that the bank had a first mortgage and could foreclose.’
“That would have left Orlando Realty with no condo and out almost half a million dollars — money that would have gone to Skelton’s mortgage company. With all three auction sales falling through, Skelton’s companies still have the Largo townhome and the Redington Beach condo. Skelton, through his Deutsche Residential Mortgage, has appealed the judge’s order vacating the sale of the three-bedroom, two-bath gulf-front condo. He’s been renting it out for $2,5000 a month after trying to sell it for $623,000.”
“The first mortgage for the condo is now held by a Delaware firm, which recently got a final judgment. The foreclosure sale is set for Oct. 19. Skelton has never rented out the Largo townhome. ‘I’m just waiting,’ he said, ‘for the bank to foreclose.’”
The Mountain Journal in Montana. “My town, Bozeman, is the fastest-growing in Montana and one of the fastest growing ‘rural cities’ in the country. Since a huge percentage of people here are from somewhere else, most citizens are familiar with the perils of explosive, unplanned, unscrutinized growth without vision, and it’s a reason why many probably left that for the Gallatin Valley.”
“I guess we will never know the number or percentage of folks who have come here to participate in the growth of this immediate area from the ground up, so to speak. As I read in the morning paper the current average price of a home here is $420,000 as of July 2018, apparently there isn’t much ground to get in on the floor of.”
“Every year, Bozeman citizens and soon those in the Gallatin Valley shell out more in taxes to pay for expanding services, school and infrastructure needs. Together, we’ve generously complied but there is growing angst and tax burnout happening because while we’re paying more, it’s obvious that we’re subsidizing those who are directly profiting off the boom. ”
“The lie that growth pays for itself is promoted by those who benefit from it—developers, bankers, realtors, building suppliers, construction workers and their ancillary support vendors. It is an endless fiscally-defeating cycle based on the premise that cities can grow their way out of growth-related problems when what really was needed is fiscal discipline and the notion that if you want to play the game of boom, you need to pay your way and not foist your costs of doing business on someone else.”
“Those who have the means to focus a good percentage of their waking hours on decisions involving how much they will play, where they’ll get their massage, gourmet lunch sandwich and glass of $20 Pinot Noir are not bothered by the thought of those working two or more jobs to keep food on the table for their kids.”
‘Kashkari likened it to the way mortgage companies reduce their risk by requiring a 20-percent down payment to get a mortgage’
A comedian!
I can just see this guy walking around the state fair with a big turkey leg in one hand and a cotton candy in the other, and meanwhile California real estate is sinking like a turd in a well!
Here’s the problem:
May 25, 2018
“In his corner of American finance, where hard selling meets hard luck, Angelo Christian is a star. Each time Christian sells a home loan, the company he works for, American Financial Network Inc., takes as much as 5 percent. Many of Christian’s customers have no savings, poor credit, or low income—sometimes all three. Some are like Joseph Taylor, a corrections officer who saw Christian’s roadside billboard touting zero-down mortgages. Taylor had recently filed for bankruptcy because of his $25,000 in credit card debt. But he just bought his first home for $120,000 with a zero-down loan from Christian’s company. Monthly debt payments now eat up half his take-home pay. ‘If he can help me, he can help anyone,’ Taylor says. ‘My credit history was just horrible.’”
“Christian can do this kind of deal because he is, in effect, making the loan on behalf of the federal government through its most important affordable housing program. It’s a sweet deal: He gets his nearly risk-free commission. Taylor puts no money down. If things go south, the government ultimately bears the risk. Many borrowers ‘are living paycheck to paycheck and, if they lose their jobs, they go into default immediately,’ says John Burns, a housing consultant.”
http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=10443
“…like Joseph Taylor, a corrections officer…”
I thought “our finest” had to rank at a higher level?
I know someone who is a CO in California. He is an idiot when it comes to money management has terrible credit. But evidently the department doesn’t see any need to periodically re-investigate their people. Perhaps the union prevents them from doing this?
Contrast this to a Fed government security clearance. You are automatically re-investigated every so many years (every 5 years if you have a Top Secret clearance). I recall people having their clearance suspended when a re-investigation revealed financial mismanagement or distress.
“I recall people having their clearance suspended when a re-investigation revealed financial mismanagement or distress.”
I have seen several people get reassigned due to a suspended security clearance. Not sure about any missed payments or adverse actions, but they lived beyond my personal comfort level.
“Many of Christian’s customers have no savings, poor credit, or low income—sometimes all three. Some are like Joseph Taylor, a corrections officer who … had recently filed for bankruptcy because of his $25,000 in credit card debt.”
It’s a damn good thing for those 20 percent down payment requirements to limit the risk of lending to guys like this.
“But he just bought his first home for $120,000 with a zero-down loan from Christian’s company.”
WTF!?
A denialist!
“‘As we get further away from the Great Recession,’”
I don’t like the term “The Great Recession.” I think it should be called “The Banking Fraud Economic Meltdown” or something else which accurately describes what happened.
I enjoy thinking of it as “The Great Reap”.
“The Previous Attempt to Return to Sanity”?
“The Great Rape”
The DebtDonkey Stampede
Bail the banks or tanks in the streets!
Hank Paulson
“At auction, Orlando Realty Group bid $458,100. Only later did the company’s owner, John Houde, discover that the bank had a first mortgage and could foreclose.”
HMMMMM. It appears that in Florida, a foreclosure sale does NOT extinguish all other liens against a property. That is pretty wild. I *think* that in California, a foreclosure sale DOES extinguish all other liens against a property. I could be wrong. I’m not a lawyer. Does anyone here have expertise? What states are the risky ones, where a foreclosure sale does NOT extinguish all other liens against a property?
There is a reason why a first mortgage is a first mortgage.
And why secondary mortgages are much riskier and usually have higher interest rstes.
You gotta love the name of the shell-company created to bid up his own foreclosures: “Outbidya” !! That name out-bid-you ought to make it into the dictionary of debt donkery, immediately.
Hey, I OUTBIDYA !!
Davis, CA Housing Prices Crater 5% YOY As Sacramento Area Mortgage Fraud Goes Off The Charts
https://www.zillow.com/davis-ca-95616/home-values/
*Select price from dropdown menu on first chart
Must watch. Some great street-level info:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugt1w87Za14
Watching the REIC discuss how to survive. Thanks for posting that.
Right at the end:
“History has shown that these people will strategically default.”
“History has shown that these people will strategically default.”
Hence, the fed was in a hurry to build a floor under house prices.
yes, excellent info, thanks
“Phase III: BUST. Buyers go on strike, not wanting to catch themselves a falling knife.”
Awesome and timely. It almost seems like the presenters may have been reading some of our posts!
“I need those leads, and I need ‘em now, or I’m out.”
The realturds that paid to go and “edumacate” themselves at this event had to have left like sad puppy dogs, heads hanging down. Ben, think of all the money you could be making selling your knowledge to these scum bags. Really enjoyed the simple math question that not a single agent could answer. 2018 - 2012 = 🤔🤯, and they are supposed to advise us on our biggest financial decision of our lifetime…
I’m always suspicious of people who do coaching for X, rather than just doing X.It’s not always scummy, but ought to demand a bit of analysis and examination. Being a good musician doesn’t automatically make someone a good music teacher, for example. But good things rarely come from Saturday afternoon seminars at the Marriott
If it’s possible to earn _so much money_ doing X, why are the coaches not busy doing X? The usual answer is because they can actually earn more money “coaching” for X rather than doing X.
Being good at X and doing X can be separate skill sets, so like I said not always a problem. But Tim & Julie Harris have either 5 star or 1 star ratings on Yelp, mostly 1 star. Run away, run away…
Often the best musicians are not the best teachers, as what seems easy to them is difficult to explain to their students. The same logic applies to mathematics instruction.
12:11 (Part2)
“Many homeowners equity has been wiped out in this phase”
Was going with the original but there is just something about watching a kid have fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQeC_6bOFqs
That was awesome insight from two realtors that have been thru it.
‘The increase in foreclosure starts is not just a one-month anomaly in many local markets given that July represented the third consecutive month with a year-over-year increase in 33 metro areas, including Los Angeles, Miami, Houston, Detroit, San Diego and Austin,’
San Diego has… ee-bola!
Does the Wall Street Fear Index scare you?
The last time Wall Street’s ‘fear index’ and stocks traded this closely it didn’t end well
By Mark DeCambre
Published: Sept 1, 2018 7:25 p.m. ET
The relationship between VIX and the stock indices looked a lot like this just before February unraveling
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Does it seem like we are staring into the maw of yet another major market crater?
This Market Indicator Spiked Right Before 2 of History’s Biggest Stock Crashes — and It’s Surging Again
Photo: Ulstein bild via Getty Images; Illustration by Julia Bohan
By Ian Salisbury August 29, 2018
Americans tend to divide their money between two giant types of investments: the stock market and real estate. And by one analysis, the interplay between those two can offer significant market guidance.
Specifically: When stocks get out of whack, sucking up more than their usual share of investment dollars, a market crash can’t be too far off. That’s the thesis of the so-called Sound Advice Risk Indicator, an index comparing stocks to home prices, overseen by Gray Emerson Cardiff, editor of the Sound Advice newsletter.
Cardiff, who began compiling the index in the 1980s and has calculated its levels back to late 1800s, says it recently reached a level hit only five times in the past 120 years — and that each time, that peak was followed by a major market decline
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“Refinancings where borrowers replace their existing FHA loans with new ones carried average FICO scores of 709 in mid-2012; earlier this year that had plummeted to 661.”
Refinancing? I though the reason we had the FHA was to allow lower middle class people to buy homes. Not to allow them to take cash out and blow it at Applebees.
“Those who have the means to focus a good percentage of their waking hours on decisions involving how much they will play, where they’ll get their massage, gourmet lunch sandwich and glass of $20 Pinot Noir are not bothered by the thought of those working two or more jobs to keep food on the table for their kids.”
They may be borrowing from someone else, but I’m not sure they “have the means” either.
They ought to change the name of it to “Consumer Day.”
While I see some people’s point that the fed is going to make the crash worse by raising rates, I think they do so intentionally with the knowledge about what is going to happen, or at least they used to. The billion dollar question is what they will do to save real estate or the stock market. While I believe these markets will go down, I do understand why many are betting that there will be interventions if things actually start to fall too much. I have been losing this bet for the last 8 years, not super confident it won’t go on for 10 more.
“I have been losing this bet for the last 8 years, not super confident it won’t go on for 10 more”
10 more I wouldn’t be confident on either, how about 1-2 tops.
Ebola
Sherman Oaks, CA Housing Prices Crater 11% YOY As Double Digit Price Declines Engulf California
https://www.movoto.com/sherman-oaks-ca/market-trends/
Every other time in history the Fed took away the punchbowl, a major market disruption followed. This time could be worse than usual, thanks to so much footdragging on policy normalization, which enabled a drinking binge to morph into alcoholism for many of the high risk gamblers who made bank by borrowing at low rates in order to go long in risk assets in recent years. The longer the period of footdragging, the worse the eventual dislocation when the party finally ends.
Montana State University is in Bozeman, MT. Like any other college town it has always been expensive to live anywhere close to campus.
>“Your FICO score may meet FHA’s easing standards, and your DTI may pass the test. But if you have to spend half or more of your income on your mortgage and other credit payments, you need to ask: Can we really handle this?”
It’s a little alarming to me that banks place so much value on a FICO score.
FICO score says nothing about income, wealth, assets, budgeting, etc. It’s possible to have a high FICO score but also be completely broke. FICO alone is an incomplete measure of financial success or stability. It shows a level of responsibility with debt, which can be important, but is only part of the story.
I have a relative in his 50s. No 401k etc, no assets to speak of (a few guns and some gold coins), low entry level salary and no ambition to improve his career or income (he works mostly with part-time college students). He occasionally brags about his 790 FICO score like he won a Nobel Prize or something. He sees the high FICO score as a validation of his current financial path.
“FICO score says nothing about income, wealth, assets, budgeting, etc.”
It also says nothing about a first-time home buyer’s ability and willingness to repay a ginormous low-downpayment loan out of a meager income, particularly if a period of declining home prices and employment ensues following purchase.