September 7, 2018

The Deflating Realization As A Painful Glut Emerges

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “‘Housing price bubble chatter has increased this summer, but I would ignore it,’ said Carol Farrar, 2018 North San Diego County Association of Realtors president. ‘Market observers always try to predict the next residential real estate shift, but it is too early to expect a change from higher prices and lower inventory, even though the common markers that caused the last housing cool-down are present. With a growing economy, solid lending practices and the potential for improved inventory from new listing and building activity, market balance is more likely than a bubble.’”

“After seeing one of the most competitive home buying in 2017, homeowners have reported a lighter, less competitive season in 2018, according to a survey by ValueInsured. In California, which was one of the hottest housing markets last year, 54 percent of all homeowners reported lighter homebuying demand, with 56 percent homeowners in Colorado and 53 percent in New York concurring with their counterparts in the Golden State.”

“The survey said that some of the hottest markets of 2017 had seen the most significant signs of cooling down this year. In San Diego, 20 percent of all listed homes had price cuts. In Seattle, where bidding wars had become common over the past three years, home prices saw a steep decline from their median prices. It also indicated that in Dallas, 19 percent of all listed homes had seen their prices cut at least once in June. ‘While buyers have been conditioned to hurry up and make an offer, even sight-unseen, in recent years, some may now step back onto the sidelines to wait and see if – and how far – home prices could get cut before they jump back in,’ the survey said.”

“Dwight Easton, the public affairs director for the Missoula Organization of Realtors, said the number of active listings of homes for sale in the city of Missoula hit a recent high in August 2017. Anecdotally, he said, it appears that the hot seller’s market for housing in Missoula might be shifting a little bit toward the center. ‘It has been a seller’s market, and maybe that’s cooling, but this is just anecdotal,’ he said. ‘It might be economics. Where we are seeing the price of newer homes, it’s getting harder to find buyers for $400,000 homes.’”

“Artist Raphael Mazzucco has taken a total of nearly $2 million off the asking price of his Montauk home at 53 Kettle Hole Road after it landed on the market for $4.35 million back in October of 2017. In July, the home received its first $1.55 million price cut, putting it on the market for $2.8 million. Now, just two months later, another $200,000 has come off the listing and the 1-acre property is now asking $2.6 million.”

“A real estate broker north of Toronto is suing a consumer for commission even though a $900,000 home sale arranged by his company fell through. Marlene Nemeth Nemeth said she can’t understand how a real estate broker can bill her tens of thousands of dollars when the sale didn’t close and she didn’t do anything to interfere with the deal. In May 2017, she agreed to accept a $900,000 offer from Sayed Moussavi, the buyer. But on closing day, the buyer didn’t produce the funds to complete the deal, apparently because HomeLife hadn’t sold Moussavi’s home, according to Nemeth’s defence.”

“At that point, Moussavi agreed to forfeit his $40,000 deposit, plus $2500 in damages, in exchange for a mutual release from any future legal action. Nemeth said she decided to take the money and grant the release because she needed the cash. By now she had moved into her new home in East Gwillimbury and had to carry two mortgages, plus utility bills and taxes, all because the deal had fallen through. Her listing agent, Nina Bonakdar, asked Nemeth to give the buyer more time.”

“In a text message from Bonakdar to Nemeth, shown to Global News, the agent wrote: ‘I get Hans involved. As per Hans, buyer has no money. He is in max on all his financial mean (sic). But he is waiting to receive wire transfers from overseas so he will close end of November even if his house doesn’t close.’ By the time Nemeth finally sold her home on April 29, using a different real estate broker, the housing market had tumbled: The selling price was a disappointing $699,800.”

“Everyone loves a bargain and that goes for house hunters too. So when we saw these latest price reductions on property website Zoopla, we got very excited. All of these properties have been reduced in price over the last week or so and one by a tremendous £34,950. Looking at figures from Tuesday, August 28, onwards there have been some big reductions in the price of homes in a range of categories. From a one-bed flat in Lenton to a five-bed in Bramcote, they have all had pounds knocked off them.”

“When Myanmar opened up to the world after decades of military rule, hopes were high that democracy would be restored and the economy invigorated. But for players in the country’s property sector the deflating realization that they may have jumped the gun is setting in as a painful glut emerges.”

“Richard Emerson, managing director of Emerson Real Estate, says that Myanmar went ‘from a market where there was basically no built stock five years ago to a market wherein suddenly all those projects conceived in the day when everybody thought Myanmar was on a massive upward trend and was going to go on a boom, all those projects are being delivered into a market which is basically failing on several different levels.’”

“QV data this month showed nationwide house prices down 1.6 per cent over the past three months, with falls in Auckland, Queenstown, New Plymouth and Christchurch. Suburbs where there has been an oversupply of houses or ‘emotional’ buyers bidding up prices have suffered the most as Auckland’s property market cooled. Now data from Homes.co.nz shows the areas where there has been the biggest value change since the city’s April 2017 price peak. Albany Heights has seen median values drop 7.74 per cent. Lynfield is down 6.86 per cent, Pinehill 5.84 per cent, Waiatarua, 5.54 per cent and Golflands 5.53 per cent.”

“Property developer David Whitburn said there were a number of factors that drove the falls. Albany Heights and Pinehill were suffering through an oversupply of new housing. The number of buyers in the area had not increased to match it, he said. Flat Bush was another area where the properties being sold were not in line with demand, he said.”

“Lynfield and Golflands were popular with Indian and Chinese communities, Whitburn said, and owner-occupiers who wanted to purchase properties had been willing to pay more to do so during the market boom. He recalled two auctions where properties went for 20 per cent more than he thought they should have. Now, few auctions were successful in those areas, reducing the premium that was paid.”

“‘With prices falling, CVs are becoming less relevant. It is not uncommon for properties to sell for less than CV,’ said chief data scientist Tom Lintern.”

“Like thousands of other small investors, Taku Ekanayake, 30, took advantage of record low interest rates and soaring property prices to buy several investment properties during the height of the property boom. Ekanayake, who started investing in property when working as an Uber driver, spent 30 months accumulating six properties in Brisbane and Adelaide, despite not being able to afford an apartment in hometown Sydney.”

“‘I’m not nervous about rising rates at the moment but I’m going to start reviewing the funding of my portfolio,’ says Ekanayake, who transitioned from Uber driving to technology consultancy before becoming a mortgage broker. Recent rate rises mean his monthly repayments increase from $6800 to $7000. ‘Investors will get into trouble if rates keep increasing,’ he says.”

“The number of households with an investment property grew strongly during the height of the property boom in 2015/16 when cheap money and big profits drove expectations of riches. But rising interest rates, an oversupply of apartments, low auction clearance rates, falling property prices and vendor discounting are increasing pressure and smashing market sentiment.”

“Ekanayake is planning to refinance his interest-only loans, to lower monthly costs and repay principal. Louise Lucas, chief executive of The Property Education Company and a mortgage broker, says lenders are forensically scrutinising loan applicants’ spending and income. ‘It’s getting really tough,’ Lucas says.”

“Nearly 40 per cent of borrowers attempting to refinance their mortgages do not qualify for a lower rate, an eight-fold increase in the past year, according to analysis by UBS and Digital Finance Analytics.”

“It’s taken more than three years for the regulators to turn around the $1.5 trillion juggernaut that is the mortgage portfolio of Australia’s big four banks. But the real target has been about a third of that, or $530 billion, that has been lent to investors. It has become a very vicious circle for investors, according to Bruce Carr, principal of mortgage broker Loanscape. ‘The argument goes that if you remove one third of prospective buyers from the property market it will lead to a crash in housing prices,’ Mr Carr said. He has crunched the numbers on loans and conditions in the market (before the recent increases) to demonstrate how investors’ capacity to borrow has been slashed.”

“Mr Carr said multi-property investors were feeling the pain. ‘Compared with the situation in January 2015, for every $1 million in debt held by a property investor, they now require $30,000 additional annual net income to qualify for the same loan,’ he said. Carr said while APRA’s intent to take the heat out of the property market was sound, it acted too late.”

“‘We are now living with the consequences,’ he said. ‘High property prices mean many first home buyers and upgraders find the stretch to property ownership too hard or too risky. Those who purchased at the peak are seeing their equity ebb away. Many investors are feeling the pinch — their bank has raised interest rates by 25 per cent, they cannot refinance, and repayments are set to increase by a further 30 to 40 per cent when loans roll out of their interest-only phase.’”

“‘The outcome is that few people — other than the banks — are happy.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2018-09-07 09:15:24

‘It has been a seller’s market, and maybe that’s cooling, but this is just anecdotal,’ he said. ‘It might be economics. Where we are seeing the price of newer homes, it’s getting harder to find buyers for $400,000 homes.’

Missoula?

Eeee-bola!

 
Comment by Boo Randy
2018-09-07 09:20:53

“‘Housing price bubble chatter has increased this summer, but I would ignore it,’ said Carol Farrar, 2018 North San Diego County Association of Realtors president.

You wish, Carol. When the September numbers come out the (bursting) housing bubble “chatter” is going to reach a sustained roar, and shack buyers are going to suddenly be scarcer than work boots at a Hillary Clinton rally.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2018-09-07 09:33:04

‘The outcome is that few people — other than the banks — are happy.’

Strange that it keeps working out that way.

Comment by BlackSwandive
2018-09-07 09:41:54

They forgot to mention local governments, which are spending money like drunken sailors due to property tax increases.

Comment by rms
2018-09-07 17:27:29

Local governments have been getting piss-poor returns on their pension fund investments just like everyone else, so they are struggling to fund their current retirees. Local roads, colleges, etc., are being under-funded as a result.

Comment by Mot
2018-09-07 18:40:21

I wouldn’t call that a rule. The MBTA pension fund (Boston area transit workers) just announced that their pension funds return for the year was over 15%. They still went $140 billion deeper into unfunded liability on a fund size of about $1.2 billion. The fund has more retirees than workers.

There is NO way they’re going to dig out of that hole without the taxpayers kicking in more.

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Comment by Mot
2018-09-07 18:41:47

oops, $140 million

 
Comment by rms
2018-09-07 19:24:30

“The fund has more retirees than workers.”

That’s it right there… medical advances.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Boo Randy
2018-09-07 09:39:59

‘I get Hans involved. As per Hans, buyer has no money. He is in max on all his financial mean (sic). But he is waiting to receive wire transfers from overseas so he will close end of November even if his house doesn’t close.’

BWHAHAHAHAAAAA! I loves me a good HBB story that has all the classic elements: entitlement, greed, dodgy overseas money, broke-ass buyers trying to wheel and deal, realtor malfeasance, and best of all, plunging shack prices leaving greedhead sellers/FBs in the lurch!

Instead of getting “Hans” involved, this sounds like a job for Mr. Wolf from “Pulp Fiction”. What a sh*t show.

Keep ‘em coming, Brother Ben. This is comedy gold. Oh, and heckova job, Ben and Janet.

Comment by 2banana
2018-09-07 10:12:04

It’s gold Jerry. Pure gold!!!!

 
Comment by Ol'Bubba
2018-09-07 15:52:52

The Realtor wants the forfeited $40,000 deposit. That’s a lot more than chump change.

 
 
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Comment by OneAgainstMany
2018-09-07 13:33:43

Here’s the entire interview. I suggest you watch it. Musk convinced Rogan, car-enthusiast, to buy a Tesla Model S P100D:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycPr5-27vSI

Comment by BlackSwandive
2018-09-07 16:01:54

He convinced a stoned-out libbie to buy a Tesla? How shocking… Sorry, won’t be watching.

Comment by OneAgainstMany
2018-09-07 18:36:36

To each his own. But Joe Rogan is probably the furthest from “liberal” that I can imagine.

Not too many liberals I know are heavily into UFC, would star in a show titled “The Man Show”, or would belong to the “eat what you kill” movement.

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Comment by BlackSwandive
2018-09-08 01:06:50

Wow. You have an extremely distorted idea of what constitutes a liberal. One of the biggest libs on TV, Jimmy Kimmel, also starred on The Man Show. Most liberals eat meat. “Eat what you kill” seems like a concept that a liberal would embrace, as opposed to trophy hunting. Do you even think before you write? UFC? C’mon, man…

 
Comment by OneAgainstMany
2018-09-08 07:26:17

Liberals I know don’t eat meat. They are more likely to eat quinoa and kale and be vegan, drive a Prius, and be concerned about global warming.

 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2018-09-08 07:38:32

Sounds like progressives a more extreme version of liberal. I eat all of the things mentioned but more salmon than red meat. Actually I consider myself not falling into either the conservative or liberal constructs which I believe were created by globalists to divide opposition to globalism.

 
Comment by OneAgainstMany
2018-09-08 08:00:52

That’s actually an intelligent move, and one I heartily agree with. I’m sure there are vegan conservatives and liberal UFC fans. Labels over simplify positions and shutdown dialogue. The original point of this post was that Musk when on a podcast and discussed EVs with someone who was an avowed gearhead and ICE car enthusiast and convinced him to buy an EV. Rogan is a guy who loves loud, fast cars like a Porsche 911 and was not totally sold on EVs.

 
Comment by rms
2018-09-08 09:03:11

“Sounds like progressives a more extreme version of liberal.”

An understatement.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Boo Randy
2018-09-07 09:43:51

Now data from Homes.co.nz shows the areas where there has been the biggest value change since the city’s April 2017 price peak.

“Value change” - is that the new REIC code word for cratering?

Comment by Taxpayers
2018-09-07 10:41:56

Centering ”
What could be wrong?
22151 still perky

 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-09-07 15:14:54

“value change”… Classic housing fraud double talk.

Coronado, CA Housing Prices Crater 10% YOY As Liar Loans Make Up Majority Of San Diego Are Lending Since 2009

https://www.movoto.com/coronado-ca/market-trends/

 
 
Comment by BlackSwandive
2018-09-07 09:46:55

“So when we saw these latest price reductions on property website Zoopla, we got very excited.”

Geezus, first Zillow, then Zumper, and now Zoopla? Who in the f*** comes up with these stupid names?

 
Comment by Boo Randy
2018-09-07 09:48:56

Albany Heights and Pinehill were suffering through an oversupply of new housing. The number of buyers in the area had not increased to match it, he said.

But…but..it seems like just yesterday the REIC and the Real Journalist parrots on their shoulder were telling us “shortages” were the problem. Oh, and “pent-up demand” was just waiting to lunge in and snap up any shack released onto the market.

I have a sneaking suspicion those stories were bullsh*t.

Comment by Ben Jones
2018-09-07 09:54:34

As usual, the NZ comments to that link are great.

 
 
Comment by Boo Randy
2018-09-07 09:52:22

“Like thousands of other small investors, Taku Ekanayake, 30, took advantage of record low interest rates and soaring property prices to buy several investment properties during the height of the property boom. Ekanayake, who started investing in property when working as an Uber driver, spent 30 months accumulating six properties in Brisbane and Adelaide, despite not being able to afford an apartment in hometown Sydney.”

This seems straight out of Housing Bubble 1.0. Did any of the banksters or incompetents responsible for overseeing the integrity of national and global financial systems learn anything at all from the 2008 financial crisis?

Comment by Carl Morris
2018-09-07 09:59:20

Did any of the banksters or incompetents responsible for overseeing the integrity of national and global financial systems learn anything at all from the 2008 financial crisis?

Yeah. The fix is in, buy the dip.

 
Comment by Sean
2018-09-07 10:58:57

Six properties in thirty months as an Uber driver. So every 5 months a guy driving an Uber is buying a new property.

And nobody sees a problem with this?

 
 
Comment by cactus
2018-09-07 10:02:56

“We’ve got across the board tire layers, electricians, plumbers who have true art to pass on and nobody to pass it onto,” she said on “Making Money.”

tire layers in home construction who knew ?

Article on shortage of workers in skilled trades. Looks like a shortage of skilled reporters to me…

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2018-09-07 10:36:31

It could be discussing realtors and mean tired liars or a technique they use to sell houses thus, tired layers.

 
 
Comment by b
2018-09-07 10:09:06

if they worry about 5-7% medium drops, can you imagine how they will squeal in Sept 2019. Leverage on the downside sucks super bad

“QV data this month showed nationwide house prices down 1.6 per cent over the past three months, with falls in Auckland, Queenstown, New Plymouth and Christchurch. Suburbs where there has been an oversupply of houses or ‘emotional’ buyers bidding up prices have suffered the most as Auckland’s property market cooled. Now data from Homes.co.nz shows the areas where there has been the biggest value change since the city’s April 2017 price peak. Albany Heights has seen median values drop 7.74 per cent. Lynfield is down 6.86 per cent, Pinehill 5.84 per cent, Waiatarua, 5.54 per cent and Golflands 5.53 per cent.”

 
Comment by Anonymous
2018-09-07 10:10:57

OT… Elon becomes more unhinged. I always assume the 420 reference in his “going private” tweet concerned MJ, not a hypothetical purchase price for his company.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/07/tesla-sinks-8percent-after-bizarre-musk-podcast-appearance-cao-exit.html

“Tesla stock tanks as much as 9% after top executives resign and Elon Musk smokes weed on video.”

Comment by hunkydory
2018-09-07 12:47:49

The chief accountant leaving after 1 month is a big deal. Everyone knew the financials of tesla were a fraud - this just confirms its a dead man walking. Anyone know if you can buy leap puts on it?

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2018-09-07 10:19:34

Game over man. Game over!!!!

*****

Australia’s Big Banks Raise Mortgage Rates, Sparking Housing Market Fears
ZeroHedge - 09/06/2018 - 23:00

For decades, the housing market in Australia - which has not seen a recession in 27 years - appeared immune to any external or internal shocks, as prices kept rising gingerly year after year. That all changed in the past year, when according to Core Logic, home prices across Australia’s 5 top cities peaked in October of 2017 and have since declined by 3.5% on average.

That decline is now set to accelerate because overnight, two of Australia’s biggest banks, Commonwealth Bank of Australia and Australia and New Zealand Banking Group, announced within minutes of each other that they are raising mortgage rates citing higher funding costs, cutting chances of an official rate hike and risking a political backlash.

The hikes also reverse moves from just a month ago when some banks cut rates as a downturn in the country’s red-hot housing market heightened competition to write new loans. More notably, the rate increases come even as the Reserve Bank of Australia has held its official cash rate at a record low of 1.50% since 2016 while signaling a steady path for some time.

The four banks combined control about 80% of the country’s deposit and home loan market, Reuters reported. The banks have come under intense scrutiny, wiping tens of billions of dollars from their market capitalisations, from a public inquiry which has aired continuous allegations of misconduct within the sector.

Comment by BlackSwandive
2018-09-07 16:09:32

Throw a few rats on the barbie - there’s no more money for shrimp.

 
 
Comment by Boo Randy
2018-09-07 10:32:46

“‘I’m not nervous about rising rates at the moment but I’m going to start reviewing the funding of my portfolio,’ says Ekanayake, who transitioned from Uber driving to technology consultancy before becoming a mortgage broker. Recent rate rises mean his monthly repayments increase from $6800 to $7000. ‘Investors will get into trouble if rates keep increasing,’ he says.”

Or if shack prices keep cratering.

Comment by 2banana
2018-09-07 10:43:54

They quote an Uber driver on how he is funding his housing portfolio.

With debt. Lots and lots of debt…

Comment by Carl Morris
2018-09-07 11:15:51

Makes perfect sense if houses always go up. Debt is wealth.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2018-09-07 11:36:33

In nonrecourse jurisdictions it is asymmetric risk. It does not work out you walk away from the debt. If it works the leverage can make you Rich. Works even better when the government does not make you recognize the forgiven debt as income. I guess you just hope a few Members of Congress need to walk away from their debts.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2018-09-07 12:56:09

In nonrecourse jurisdictions it is asymmetric risk. It does not work out you walk away from the debt. If it works the leverage can make you Rich.

All I heard is blah blah blah Rich!

 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2018-09-08 06:36:23

Simply means the system is designed to encourage people to buy.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-09-07 15:17:17

“Or if shack prices keep cratering.”

……. EEEEEEBola!

Santa Cruz, CA Housing Prices Crater 9% YOY As Prices Continue To Fall To Long Term Factor Of 2X Annual Household Income

https://www.zillow.com/santa-cruz-ca-95060/home-values/

*Select price from dropdown menu on first chart

Comment by BubblevilleCA
2018-09-07 17:34:17

Can’t help but to smile reading this. I feel like Santa Cruz will be near the top of the list of highest YOY declines for the California RE market. Sadly even if prices crash 50% or more I will still be moving out as the homeless epidemic is spiraling even more out of control.

Comment by Apartment 401
2018-09-08 00:55:49

the homeless epidemic is spiraling even more out of control

This seems to be happening in alot of places.

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Comment by BlackSwandive
2018-09-07 16:10:52

Let me guess - this clown also purchased a bunch of crypto funded by credit cards…

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2018-09-07 10:36:05

Sign of the apocalypse…

Yes - another housing flipping show

*****

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https://www.diynetwork.com/shows/hit-properties-with-nathan-morris/articles/boyz-ii-mens-vocalist-goes-for-a-different-kind-of-hit-on-diy-network

Comment by Carl Morris
2018-09-07 10:43:38

I feel bad for him…big risk of being known for the rest of his life as a joke if those shows air while everything is falling apart.

 
 
Comment by Taxpayers
2018-09-07 11:01:27

22151 n va
Inventory 28
Par is 40
Bear market 50

 
Comment by Patrick
2018-09-07 11:17:56

“With a growing economy, solid lending practices and the potential for improved inventory from new listing and building activity, market balance is more likely than a bubble.’”

Carol vastly underestimates the amount of stimulus in the form of ultra low interest rates, government backed mortgages, and loose lending standards played into the price appreciation.

It’s a great story that the economy and job growth caused housing prices to go up, but it’s not true.

Interest rates have risen slightly and it’s had a massive impact on home sales and prices already.

 
Comment by Stan
2018-09-07 12:09:26

Sometimes I miss BILA

Comment by Carl Morris
2018-09-07 12:58:56

I miss OlympiaGal (Gayle Broadbent) all the time…but such is life.

Comment by scdave
2018-09-07 13:48:18

Oly was the best.

 
 
Comment by rms
2018-09-07 17:40:18

Or how about, In Colorado?

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2018-09-08 07:43:57

Yes, did not always agree with him but he posted accurate information. It would be good to have him back.

 
 
 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-09-07 14:51:03

Houston, TX Housing Prices Crater 20% YOY As Global Oil Glut Thrashes Oil States

https://www.zillow.com/houston-tx-77081/home-values/

*Select price from dropdown menu on first chart

 
Comment by Lance Nickols
2018-09-07 15:05:19

Strong jobs report today, I would not be concerned. However, we know how fast that can change of course. In my opinion, there’s about 2-3 years left of growth in the housing sector, and US economy in general.

Housing will find buyers at around 7% average (all real estate is local) below peak prices in 2017. I see an uptick in sales in October but don’t expect year over year price appreciation to be high (2-3% annually max). Past 2020/2021 is anyone’s guess.

One of the reasons sales numbers look dreadful since June is because Sellers and Buyers have been playing a game of cat and mouse. Buyers won in the summer but I am starting to see Sellers hold their ground. That will trigger a reaction with an increase in sales this Fall. However, like I said, don’t expect the same buyer demand as previous years. 2% increase YOY in my opinion.

Ben, thanks for running this blog. Like to see people educating themselves. Good stuff.

Comment by Boo Randy
2018-09-07 16:41:00

Buyers won in the summer but I am starting to see Sellers hold their ground.

Any buyer who bought a house this summer didn’t “win” anything, as the downside risk vastly outweighs any upside potential. Greedhead sellers can hold their ground all they want - time and market forces are not on their side. As as the implosion of Housing Bubble 2.0 gathers force, sellers who are underwater will in many cases have no choice but to sell for whatever they can get if they want to remain solvent.

 
Comment by qt
2018-09-07 16:50:24

The “strong” jobs report just means the FED hands are tied. They have no excuses but to raise interest rates. That means more buyers will be removed from the pool. With rents dropping, I doubt buyers are in a rush to buy, especially they’ll be buying at near peak bubble price.

Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-09-08 05:27:36

Luckily used home sellers everywhere assure that the Fed’s monetary tightening exercise will have no discernible effect on home prices in your area, since all real estate is local.

 
 
Comment by rms
2018-09-07 17:44:22

“In my opinion, there’s about 2-3 years left of growth in the housing sector, and US economy in general.”

Technically once growth drops below 2% we’re in a recession.

 
Comment by BubblevilleCA
2018-09-07 17:49:46

“One of the reasons sales numbers look dreadful since June is because Sellers and Buyers have been playing a game of cat and mouse.“

The other reason is

http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=10555

“July through August, you’re seeing more people on vacation, so there are simply fewer buyers during that time frame” -from a trusted honorable realtor

 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-09-08 05:46:00

all real estate is local

Thanks so much for the reminder. We certainly can’t forget that timeless insight into housing market behavior!

 
Comment by Next Shoe to Drop
2018-09-08 10:23:00

LOL @ “strong jobs report”. Totally massaged #s don’t mean much when prices continue to inflate and our paychecks don’t increase with it.

As for the guess of a multi-year continuation of bubbling home prices, I don’t see how that can happen looking at the big picture. The Everything Bubble is being fueled by fraud and leverage, and will soon be coming to an abrupt end. The media is waking up and the herd is beginning to turn. We’ve hit the tipping point and this sucker is going down much sooner than 2-3 years.

 
 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-09-07 15:12:09

94,785,000 Not in Labor Force; At 62.9%, Labor Force Participation Stuck Near 38-Year Low As Housing Bust Accelerates

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/no-records-set-august-number-employed-americans-drops-participation-rate

Comment by Lance Nickols
2018-09-07 15:44:49

Yeah all depends what metrics you use I guess. I think its strong enough to carry market another 2-3 years IMO.

Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-09-08 05:36:17

Would the latest news on the looming trade war possibly temper your judgment?

From the Financial Times:

Technology sector
Jack Ma to step down as Alibaba chairman
Departure comes as group hit by China tech sell-off and regulatory tightening
————————————————
The Big Read
Argentina creaks under extreme stress
————————————————
US-China trade dispute
Trump threatens $267bn in new China tariffs
US president promises to escalate trade war with Beijing if it does not make concessions

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2018-09-08 06:44:20

The two stories show that China is losing the trade war which is good for Main Street

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Comment by Get Stucco
2018-09-08 08:22:07

Trade wars can easily become lose-lose situations. Trade in general is not a zero-sum game.

 
 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2018-09-08 06:54:20

Also the historical PE on the Dow is 16, based on expected earnings for next year it will be 17 based on today’s level. Far from bubble territory.

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Comment by OneAgainstMany
2018-09-08 07:30:05

If the market grows into a more normal P/E, I’ll change my opinion. But it feels more likely to me that earnings growth will slow or disappoint. I think it all depends on what wage growth does as most US consumers are tapped out by debt.

 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2018-09-08 07:42:03

Of illegal immigration crackdown continues wages will rise

 
Comment by Get Stucco
2018-09-08 08:30:29

When earnings revert from the tax cut sugar high, the P/E denominator will fall and P/E will rise, since the stock market always goes up.

 
 
 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2018-09-08 06:39:05

Check the date on mafia’s post, it is last September

Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-09-08 06:53:00

Eat your crow DonkeyDan.

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Comment by Albuquerquedan
2018-09-08 06:59:46

Eat the crap you are posting. Continuing to post a year old story is not helpful to a thoughtful debate.

 
Comment by Mafia Blocks
2018-09-08 08:13:07

EAT!

Parker, CO Housing Prices Crater 5% YOY As Sales Agents Counsel Grieving Sellers On Falling Prices

https://www.movoto.com/parker-co/market-trends/

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Apartment 401
2018-09-07 15:33:59

Realtors are liars.

 
Comment by Lance Nickols
2018-09-07 15:42:45

Btw, the banks are not happy. Far from it.

Comment by Boo Randy
2018-09-07 16:43:35

Banks lent money to people who were manifestly non-creditworthy so they could buy into a housing bubble. Not smart, and this time around its unlikely the Fed will be riding to the rescue of greedy and reckless lenders, since it’s already used up it’s QE ammo. So they shouldn’t be happy, since a lot of them are going to go belly-up, and deservedly so.

 
Comment by Professor 🐻
2018-09-08 05:39:37

If they rely on mortgage lending as a line of business, that is fully understandable, as fundamental demand for housing is shriveling in the face of home prices that are out of reach for a majority of potential buyers.

 
 
Comment by Mortgage Watch
2018-09-07 16:38:09

<b.Kirkland, WA Housing Prices Crater 20% YOY As Seattle Area Unemployment Drives Foreclosure Rate To New High

https://www.movoto.com/kirkland-wa/market-trends/

 
Comment by Boo Randy
2018-09-07 17:05:28
 
Comment by azdude
2018-09-07 17:15:41

i lowball and feel good about it.

Comment by rms
2018-09-07 17:48:14

The generic beer is starting to “kick-in.” :)

 
 
Comment by Norma
2018-09-07 20:08:26

So 11/9 is when this goes down ?

 
Comment by Apartment 401
2018-09-08 01:13:12

Elon Musk smokes some weed on camera:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkN__ZsB-Hs

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2018-09-08 06:40:58

That is investor’s money going up in smoke

 
Comment by rms
2018-09-08 07:05:58

Wasn’t that filmed in leafy California?

 
 
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