When Mortgage Risk Expands Alongside Of Prices
A weekend topic starting with CNBC. “When the housing market began its epic and historic free-fall in 2008, mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac faced imminent collapse. The Treasury Department stepped in with a major bailout that July. That turned out to be a vastly profitable move for Uncle Sam. And it has been paying off ever since. ‘The most amazing thing is that the housing market not only survived, but thrived coming out of the crisis,’ said Jaret Seiberg, financial services and housing policy analyst for Cowen Washington Research Group. ‘What the government did actually worked.’”
“But Fannie and Freddie cannot stay in conservatorship forever, and, according to Dave Stevens, have the biggest chance of change with a new FHFA director. Current director Mel Watt’s term ends in January, but he has been mired in personal scandal, with a former employee accusing him of sexual misconduct, so he could leave earlier. ‘One thing that has protected the status quo has been Mel Watt. That is the only thing protecting the current structure of these companies,’ said Stevens, who recently retired as president and CEO of the Mortgage Bankers Association.”
From The Chronicle. “One of the biggest obstacles confronting low- and moderate-income homebuyers is coming up with the 20 percent down payment that many financial advisers recommend they have in the bank prior to entering the housing market. Under Fannie Mae’s Home Ready and Freddie Mac’s Home Possible programs, it might be possible to obtain a mortgage with substantially less cash on hand.”
“While there are some differences in the two programs, Terri Sicilia, vice president of underwriting for Residential Mortgage Services Inc., says they are both ‘beneficial products, especially for borrowers putting less than 20 percent down. These programs offer a lot of flexibility that you don’t have with a traditional 30-year, fixed-rate mortgage,’ Sicilia notes, ’such as reduced PMI [private mortgage insurance] that helps to make the monthly payment lower.’”
“Both the Freddie and Fannie programs compete with the low-down-payment program of The Federal Housing Administration (FHA), which offers loans for as little as 3.5 percent down for buyers with a credit score of 580. A few other features of the Fannie and Freddie programs are: No income limits in underserved areas.”
The Washington Post. “Home prices have been on a tear for most of the past decade. Lately, they have risen at 5 to 6 percent a year — double the rate of personal income growth. The gap between housing and income cannot widen indefinitely. The Minsky bubble psychology has infected government agencies who insure about 80 percent of home-purchase mortgages. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the biggest of these, have loosened standards.”
“With encouragement of their regulator, the Federal Housing Finance Agency, half of first-time home buyers getting mortgages guaranteed by Fannie and Freddie are making down payments of 5 percent or less. Such easy credit is aimed at broadening access for young people, who often lack capital. However, a lesson from 2008 is that if a person cannot afford a home under prudent lending standards, imprudent lending will not help them.”
“The riskiest loans are insured by the Federal Housing Administration, an agency whose mission is to broaden homeownership. (These loans are securitized with a guarantee from a different government sponsor, Ginnie Mae). Somewhat akin to subprime in the 2000s, the FHA sector, by definition the most marginal, has widened. It is now approximately 20 percent of the mortgage market.”
“According to Edward Pinto, co-director of the American Enterprise Institute Center on Housing Markets and Finance, the average market price of FHA-enabled purchases has risen 25 percent in the past five years, yet the dollar amount of the average down payment has fallen. ‘That is not tight credit,’ Pinto says. A study by the New York Fed, in essential agreement, argues that the housing sector ‘remains vulnerable to very severe declines in house prices.’”
The Herald Tribune. “Ed Pinto issued a bleak warning to the U.S. House Committee on Financial Services Thursday about the current state of the housing market. He opened his testimony with this: ‘The last house price boom and subsequent bust was the result of ill-advised and risky government housing policy,’ his statement said. ‘Today we are in the midst of another boom, and, once again, it is the result of ill-advised and risky government housing policy.’”
“One of his specialties focuses on the availability of affordable housing for working-class families. ‘Unfortunately, we are now able to document that we are in the midst of another potentially dangerous buildup of policy-induced housing risk,’ he said. ‘This policy is making entry-level homes less, not more, affordable.’”
“Pinto says the country’s been in a continuous seller’s market since mid-2012 — ‘one even stronger than in the last boom.’ He tracks this back to January 2013 when the Bureau for Consumer Financial Protection promulgated a rule under the authority granted in the Dodd Frank Act. The Qualified Mortgage rule set a maximum debt-to-income ratios of 43 percent but exempted such primary home loan agencies as the FHA and VA.”
“‘Since 2013, about 85 percent of all primary home purchase financing has been guaranteed by these agencies,’ Pinto states, ‘in many cases doubling or more the percentage of their DTI’s greater than 43 percent.’ ‘When mortgage risk expands alongside of home prices, there is little ‘friction’ in mortgage markets to slow the growth of a housing boom,’ he said. ‘This serves to make entry-level housing less, not more, affordable.’”
“‘In conclusion,’ he states, ‘prompt administrative action is advisable now. We are in the midst of a strong home price boom that is unsustainable and fueled by leverage. While we do not know when real house prices will revert to their trend growth path, what is certain is that when such a reversion occurs, low-income and minority home buyers will again be unduly subjected to volatile home prices, loss of equity, and attendant loan defaults. As a nation we can and must do better.’”
From CNN Money. “Fort Myers was the backdrop President Barack Obama used in February 2009 to dramatize the need for his massive stimulus package, when unemployment in the Sun Belt boomtown was 11.7% and climbing. Now, ten years after the depths of the financial crisis, the area has mostly healed. Median single-family home prices in Lee County have more than tripled from the bottom reached in 2011, unemployment is below the national average at 3.2%, and construction is everywhere.”
“But memories of the crash are still fresh. Randy Thibaut runs Land Solutions, a brokerage that helps sell property to developers and that also closely tracks the housing market. He had projected that 2018 would be a cooling off year, in a gradual deceleration that might allow Florida to get off the roller coaster it’s been on for decades. ‘We don’t want another 2004 and 2005. A sustainable market here would be perfect,’ Thibaut says.”
“So far, the issuance of permits to build new houses is again on track this year to exceed the previous year. Construction is accelerating while demand for homes shows signs of slowing down, and Thibaut sees history repeating itself. ‘We are past our cycle,’ Thibaut says. ‘We think we’re in the 15th inning.’”
“Some people who remember the crisis are tapping the brakes, trying to stay away from debt, diversify into multiple sectors, and grow slowly. But Elmer Tabor, a longtime Cape Coral realtor and investor who ran a bank that failed during the mortgage crisis, says he sees newcomers overbuilding like the housing bust never happened.”
“‘The people who went through it are really paying attention and beginning to tighten up and back off,’ Tabor says. ‘We haven’t seen the failures of the companies. But what we are seeing is because of greed, people are doing it again.’”
Eventually, Satan calls home his own.
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Current director Mel Watt’s term ends in January, but he has been mired in personal scandal, with a former employee accusing him of sexual misconduct, so he could leave earlier. ‘One thing that has protected the status quo has been Mel Watt. That is the only thing protecting the current structure of these companies,’
Interesting that his sexual misconduct thing was dropped by the media licky split. It would be nice to see a big shakeup come out of this.
I’m guessing a media spotlight on this story would be met with outcries of racial bias.
Isn’t there a troll here that says subprime mortgages are a thing of the past….?
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“Both the Freddie and Fannie programs compete with the low-down-payment program of The Federal Housing Administration (FHA), which offers loans for as little as 3.5 percent down for buyers with a credit score of 580. A few other features of the Fannie and Freddie programs are: No income limits in underserved areas.”
It goes on to say there are a bunch of programs that will gift/grant them the 3%.
‘Somewhat akin to subprime in the 2000s, the FHA sector, by definition the most marginal, has widened. It is now approximately 20 percent of the mortgage market’
‘According to Edward Pinto, co-director of the American Enterprise Institute Center on Housing Markets and Finance, the average market price of FHA-enabled purchases has risen 25 percent in the past five years, yet the dollar amount of the average down payment has fallen. ‘That is not tight credit,’ Pinto says. A study by the New York Fed, in essential agreement, argues that the housing sector ‘remains vulnerable to very severe declines in house prices.’
“It goes on to say there are a bunch of programs that will gift/grant them the 3%.”
Bahahahahaha … what else supposed to make the money materilize?
The dumbest of the dumb, the brokest of the broke, are these broke-assed dummies who have credit scores of 580 and cannot come up with a down payment and THESE are the broke-assed pukes that are buying at the top thus THESE are the guys who are setting the “values” (choke) for the comps and thus these are the broke-passed ignorant pukes that create equity wealth (another choke) for entire neighborhoods filled with strangers.
Bahahahahahahaha … this entire real estate mess has gone well beyond being the the product of mass stupidity and has entered deeply into the realm of insanity.
And I am loving every nano-second of it.
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Wouldn’t a low-downpayment, high debt-to-income loan to someone with a 580 FICO score be considered subprime, and highly likely to go into foreclosure at some future point?
Since you’re backing this loan it’s not subprime.
It is so mind blowing to me that it is the government’s involvement in housing that has made it so unaffordable, and they continued to engage in such reckless behavior knowing that the exact same behavior resulted in a financial meltdown not too long ago. Where is the outrage? Why don’t people realize that low housing prices is in America’s best interest? Imagine if they spent all that time and money instead on healthcare, social security and disability benefits, education, infrastructure and crime reduction? We could have actually been number one again. The costs associated with this second burst will be of historical significance and millions of people will have their entire life’s savings wiped out. Also, it is coming at a time when the leader of our Country is a corrupt developer, so you know any workout is going to be as shady as ****.
Everything government touches to make things “fair” or “affordable”
IT DESTROYS.
Have you seen heathcare????
Have you seen higher education costs????
Have you seen housing costs???
Have you seen how it helps with “retirement????”
Go take SJW bullsh*t and attend an “I’m with her” foundation fundraising bribe session
Learn to love President Donald J. Trump. He’s in business for another 5 years.
I agree with everything you said except…
“Corrupt developer” — proof?
Here is just a small sample from a 10 second search. I am astounded you asked such a question.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/21/opinion/sunday/trump-business-mueller-money-laundering.html
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/editorials/article/Forget-swamps-Trump-corruption-creates-a-12955580.php
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/1/17056562/trump-corruption-midterms
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/04/trump-and-co-are-stealing-america-blind-timeline.html
https://www.theinvestigativefund.org/investigation/2018/03/21/political-corruption-and-the-art-of-the-deal/
https://www.univision.com/univision-news/latin-america/trump-org-magnet-for-dirty-businessmen
https://themoscowproject.org/explainers/a-timeline-of-trumps-deals-and-investments-in-eastern-europe-and-central-asia/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-02-15/why-the-trump-organization-was-cited-in-a-brazil-corruption-probe
http://time.com/4629308/donald-trump-business-deals-world-map/
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/08/trump-real-estate-theft-public-land-taxes
Univision? Seriously?
opinion, rumor, innuendo. She said proof of corruption.
Google “Trump Organization Corruption.” There are far too many hits for me to summarize here. It would take several books to cover comprehensively. His entire career is marked by shady foreign business deals, planned bankruptcies to stiff his workers, conflicts of interest, etc. You may think Greed is Good,Steal What You Can, Always Look For Ways to Take Advantage of the System, etc. is the American way and perfectly acceptable. I just disagree, and live my life under different guiding principles.
“Why don’t people realize that low housing prices is in America’s best interest.”
This really depends on if you are an owner or a renter. This would be true at a macro level, but it might cause some significant pain for those who bought in when the price was high.
I like how this guy puts it:
MONKKONEN: In the U.S., we’ve devolved land use controls to local governments. And often they respond very much to neighborhood associations’ interests. So I think there are a lot of reasons that people oppose new housing near them. But one of the main ones that’s been out there in the literature for a long time is thinking about single-family homeowners as a kind of cartel where they get together and collude to prevent new supply in order that their assets increase in value.
GARCIA: That’s interesting ’cause nobody really thinks of homeowners as a cartel. They’re thought of as, like, living the American dream.
MONKKONEN: Yeah. I mean, I think - and that’s a problem with the way we think about housing in the United States, right? So we want housing to be affordable on the one hand. But if we own a house, we might be happy when that house increases in value, right? And so I think people often in their own minds don’t realize what’s happening.
California’s Housing Conundrum
https://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=606149731
npr=garbage in, garbage out
The REIC has convinced people that lending standards are tight.
What normal people don’t realize is the REIC has lobbied government to put all the risk on the back of the taxpayer. Yes, the taxpayer is backing mortgages that are 50% DTI and no money out of pocket from the buyer. Congrats US taxpayer.
“Where is the outrage? Why don’t people realize that low housing prices is in America’s best interest?
Federal housing policy has become a pillar of America’s welfare system. The lack of outrage reflects different reasons for the various categories of beneficiaries of the government-sponsored wealth transfer program, or unwitting funders thereof:
1. Oblivious to the wealth reallocation mechanism that the GSEs represent.
2. On the receiving end of race-based discriminatory lending programs.
3. Already a homeowner, and enjoying the cash generated by perrenial home equity wealth gains.
4. A poor millennial with no clue that it was a targeted housing price reflation policy that priced them out forever.
Oxide hasn’t posted much lately. Perhaps she is reeling from the news about falling DC rents?
This is in Texas:
‘AWESOME OCEAN VIEWS from this upscale 3 story beach house at 117 Sea Air Lane in La Concha Estates. Mediterranean style, 3/3.5/2 plus office and second living area. On a double lot with a pool and hot tub and a private, tropical back yard. Backs to a green belt. Huge kitchen with lots of granite counter space. Engineered wood flooring and tile. Elevator. Beach walkover. Huge Price Reduction with motivated seller moving! $998,000.’
Dropped $77k since 7/27 according to Zillow. 7% isn’t exactly a ‘huge price reduction’ according my math.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/117-Sea-Air-Ln-Port-Aransas-TX-78373/98313084_zpid/
Dropping 7% in a month vs bidding wars and sold for $200,000 over asking price with love letters to the seller…
It was listed at $1,200,000 in January. So the aggregate price reduction is over 20%, but I have no idea how realistically it was priced to start with.
7% isn’t exactly a ‘huge price reduction’ according my math
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Ask the seller if $77K isn’t a huge cut for him. Regardless of whether the seller is rich or poor, that’s a lot of money to lose. That’s the price of a 2018 Maserati Ghibli, not pocket change for any income level.
Ask the seller if $77K isn’t a huge cut for him. Regardless of whether the seller is rich or poor, that’s a lot of money to lose. That’s the price of a 2018 Maserati Ghibli, not pocket change for any income level.
Don’t care about the seller, or comparative values from a month or more ago, I care that asset values are completely nuts. Talk to me when values actually make sense then I’ll be impressed.
San Francisco, CA Housing Prices Crater 13% YOY As Record High Unemployment And Mortgage Defaults Ravage California
https://www.zillow.com/san-francisco-ca-94109/home-values/
*Select price from dropdown menu on first chart
Q: What happens when former president obama calls half of all American Nazis?
A: CNN will script the narrative of what you’re allowed to think about that.
The result will be a huge red wave…:)
“Q: What happens when former president obama calls half of all American Nazis?”
How long before questions like this gets you banned from the internet for hate speech?
“Both the Freddie and Fannie programs compete with the low-down-payment program of The Federal Housing Administration (FHA), which offers loans for as little as 3.5 percent down for buyers with a credit score of 580. A few other features of the Fannie and Freddie programs are: No income limits in underserved areas.”
I wish it were possible to send all of the policymakers responsible for government meddling in the housing markets and putting taxpayers on the hook for deadbeat FBs to North Korean slave labor camps for life. Along with Zimbabwe Ben Bernanke, Yellen the Felon, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, and the rest of the miscreants responsible for causing the last financial crisis, and the far worse one that’s coming.
‘Toronto Real Estate Prices Literally Look Like The Textbook Chart For Asset Bubbles’
‘No, we won’t call Toronto real estate a bubble today. Usually we shy away from using the B-word entirely. Canadians tend to look at you like you’ve insulted their mother when you say it. Instead we’re going to discuss the phases of a real estate bubble, and let you make a decision for yourself.’
Heckova job, policy makers who caused the 2008 financial crisis.
https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/article/2162218/lehman-crash-10-years-nearly-all-you-read-will-be-wrong
Bankers did not cause the 2008 financial crisis, governments did. And in failing to learn from their mistakes, they have made another crash inevitable
Bankers did not cause the 2008 financial crisis. It makes no more sense to blame them than it would to blame the leaves on the trees for causing winter by turning brown.
Instead, blame for the crash lies squarely with the world’s governments.
Sure, bankers were both greedy and reckless. But it was government policies that created the conditions in which greed and recklessness were allowed – even required – to flourish.
10 years later still trying where to place the blame. thats the way they like it.
Technically, wasn’t it bankers in government who should be credited with creating and operating the market intervention schemes that generate the conditions for repeated boom-bust cycles in housing? Sure these have occurred since the dawn of modern finance, but the amplitude of post-1996 price volatility has dwarfed any that preceded it, reflecting the recent trend towards strongly procyclical government intervention in housing, such as federally mandating ever-looser lending standards as a bubble peak is approached.
Provo, UT Housing Prices Crater 9% YOY As US Housing Demand Collapses
https://www.movoto.com/provo-ut/market-trends/
“We haven’t seen the failures of the companies. But what we are seeing is because of greed, people are doing it again.’”
Instead of greed I’ll call it ignorance.
Greed may be spawned from ignorance and greed may be the way this ignorance is expressed but the greed is there only because it is the result of ignorance. IMO.
And then there’s the borrowed money factor that needs to be added and stirred into the mix.
Uncle Warren: “When you combine ignorance and borrowed money, the consequences can get interesting.”
Cambridge, MA Housing Prices Crater 17% YOY As Boston Area Chokes On Housing Glut
https://www.zillow.com/cambridge-ma-02138/home-values/
*Select price from dropdown menu on first chart
An article with an interesting title, and as a bonus to the reader it contains two charts …
“Stocks are in ‘the danger zone,’ and it is ‘assured’ that a bear market will occur in the next year, analyst warns - MarketWatch”
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/stocks-are-in-the-danger-zone-and-it-is-assured-that-a-bear-market-will-occur-in-the-next-year-analyst-warns-2018-09-07?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo
Meanwhile, before the twenty-percent decline that defines a bear market, stocks are certain to go up at least twenty percent more. Why not just back up the truck, and win!
We need a reckoning in this country.
Illgals have more rights and privileges than citizens. Savers and the financially responsible are priced out of the housing market so the financially reckless can gain entry.
Sick of it all.
Illgals have more rights and privileges than citizens.
You are NOT allowed to think this, or to discuss it.
The New York Times will provide you with an approved narrative.
Yes. The poor orchestrated the housing bubble much to the dismay of the Wall Street, developers and politicians. I am sick of it too.
When demand increases because of lax immigration enforcement, rents rise, and pressure on infrastructure rise.
At the same time, the entry of unskilled immigrants increases downward pressure on wages.
Additionally, illegal immigrants have access to fed printed money.
Whether it offends you or not, illegal immigration has an effect on the housing market. specifically, the weakest Americans socioeconomically are paying a heavy price in terms of higher rents, lower wages, traffic, and crime as a result of overcrowding unskilled labor.
Meanwhile, this has puts upward pressure on rents and housing for the middle class.
Nothing in econ happens in a vacuum. We can argue, however, about the scale of one group’s effect on the housing market and nauseam.
“‘The most amazing thing is that the housing market not only survived, but thrived coming out of the crisis,’ said Jaret Seiberg, financial services and housing policy analyst for Cowen Washington Research Group. ‘What the government did actually worked.’”
Who’d've thunk that using the electronic printing press to create over $4 trillion in new virtual paper currency, then reallocating a significant portion of the newly created currency wealth towards a targeted effort to levitate a favored asset class, would result in said asset class generally going up through the roof? It’s truly a miracle of the modern banking system.
“One of the biggest obstacles confronting low- and moderate-income homebuyers is coming up with the 20 percent down payment that many financial advisers recommend they have in the bank prior to entering the housing market.”
What percentage of American households purchasing owner-occupied housing buy with twenty-percent down, given the competition from the GSE-funded army of subprime, low-down payment, large conforming loan limit buyers? It has to be a minuscule share of transactions in the high-priced coastal Democratic distopias.