August 10, 2006

Bits Bucket And Craigslist Finds For August 10, 2006

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Comment by jmf
2006-08-10 04:24:35

hello from germany,

i have found a great piece from the wonderful charles hugh smith
about how the us has exported inflation and the housingbubble to china. worth reading!!!!!!! you really wonder sometimes what the chinese are thinking.

http://www.oftwominds.com/blog.html

by the way has someone heard the call from wci yesterday?

110 minutes . the longest and worst i have heard so far.

the management bets on q1 2007. they want to close 4 towers with hundrets of units in just a few days. good luck!

the question from an analyst what make them confidemt about this projection.

answer management: we have done it this the past years. it always worked well.

quote from managent at the beginning of the call “we are realistic!”

you should here the whole call. unbelievable.

from germany
http://www.immobilienblasen.blogspot.com/

Comment by dawnal
2006-08-10 04:33:46

An interesting post at Prudent Bear:

http://tinyurl.com/hrnag

Comment by chilidoggg
2006-08-10 05:12:11

re: inflation/deflation: I just got an offer from some American Express offshoot card that will give me 4% FOR LIFE on balance transfers. I don’t see anything in the fine print that requires me to pay 8% of the principal down every month, or an adjustment to 36 percent if I’m late twice. I guess they don’t think inflation’s out of hand.

Comment by OutofSanDiego
2006-08-10 06:41:13

I tossed out a card offer the other day that had 0% for life on balance transfers when you open the card.

This is just a gimmick to get you to start using their card. If you have a huge amount of credit card debt to transfer over then you are already partly scr@wed. They are counting on the fact that you will use the card for new debt.

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Comment by John Doe
2006-08-10 07:20:08

Yes, these offers are a trick for people not financially savvy. The card carries 21-23% on new purchases, but balance transfers are still 0%. Problem is, they use a FIFO method where you have to pay off your balance transfer balance before you even touch your new purchases. This way, if you carry a balance and even have one purchase they start to collect interest and it grows as you purchase more, even if your payments exceed your purchases, which arguably doesn’t make sense, if you could pay more than you’re purchasing, why would someone have credit card debt in the first place?

 
Comment by Chip
2006-08-10 19:03:03

John Doe — thanks for pointing that out. Hopefully those on the buy-and-spend blogs will realize this most important point.

 
 
Comment by Michael Viking
2006-08-10 11:50:15

I picked up a piece of trash on my morning walk today that turned out to be some kind of American Express statement. The person is pretty much maxed out and paying the minimum. That means 243.63 in finance charges and 16.49 in principal! The sweet rate for this person? 30.24%! And here I thought usury was against the law. Luckily there’s a line item for mental health care. As well as some beauty products and bed bath an beyond! Poor Dick said it best: “Buy what thou hast no need of; and e’er long thou shalt sell thy necessaries”

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Comment by kipper
2006-08-11 05:43:18

Wow, I can’t imagine a being in that kind of debt!

Nice Quote!

 
 
 
Comment by txchick57
2006-08-10 06:29:19

Outstanding and this commentary is from Dallas which I have said until I am blue in the face is A TRAIN WRECK. There is no money to be made there! It’s all been made and spent. But you can’t tell the out of state “experts” (like Vosilla) who know it all by God!

I’ll say it again for the new readers: Dallas pukes LONG before LA.

 
Comment by Fred Hooper
2006-08-10 07:27:14

This is one of the best posts on the real world of real estate that I have read. I spent 20 years as a real estate broker managing/buying/selling properties for investors in the late 70’s thru mid 90’s. Part of what this post illustrates is the depth of the problem as it relates to the rental market and the lack of quality in the renter pool.
Imagine you’re an investor-owner of rental properties in another state, getting monthly calls from your property manager for cash to pay for repairs, vacancy, eviction, trashed property by trash tenants, and all the while, the “equity” in your properties is slowly going down-down-down. Very painful.
I believe there are tens of thousands of speculators/flippers that are currently bag-holders. Lareah said yesterday on CNBC that “Speculators got out of the market” and that “sales are leveling off”. This is a lie. The so-called smart money/flipper did not get out of the market before it turned. That would be like a heroin addict that stopped using before he became addicted. Get it? On that same thought, the home-builders did NOT learn their lessons from over-building in the 80’s. The flipper/speculator is now using cash from previous flips to try to wait out the slowing market. They will drop like overripe fruit from the tree, and that process is just beginning. It may take 2 or 3 years, but this is a long, painful process if you’re a flipper-turned-rental owner. You’re heart will stop every time the phone rings, fearful that it’s your agent or property manager calling with more bad news.
This post also addresses something I’ve been saying for some time:
“And what about the Mexican labor that has been employed to build so much of this stuff? Do they starve in a country they went to find work or do they go home? If they stay here, maybe the government feeds them, maybe not. If they go home, that leaves even more vacancies in the housing market. That might solve the illegal alien problem that congress cannot agree to solve.”
This is how it works folks, and it will be quite ugly. Read the post linked above by Dawnal.

Comment by scdave
2006-08-10 07:56:54

“And what about the Mexican labor that has been employed to build so much of this stuff? Do they starve in a country they went to find work or do they go home?

Bingo Hopper;….I have been assisting a client liquidating 5 apartment buildings…Several, are 100% occupied with tenants you discribe above..2 to a room, including the living room…These buildings are selling for 5% cap rates with these kind of tenants…Its just “ABSERD”….And, if the construction industry goes into the shitter I could see these buildings loosing 25% of their value in a heartbeat….I would not buy a apartment today even if I used Cote’s money…

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Comment by Polo Bear
2006-08-10 08:54:58

No, they start carjacking and home invasions. They’re hard workers. They won’t be sitting idle for long.

 
Comment by rj
2006-08-11 04:24:53

Mexicans work here for money. If there’s no money, they’d move somewhere else or go home.

 
 
 
 
Comment by jmf
2006-08-10 05:04:04

update on wci.

today ubs cut wci to a neutral from buy!!!!!!!!!
great job!!!!!!!!!!!! at 5$ they will cut to sell………

http://www.immobilienblasen.blogspot.com/

 
 
Comment by flatffplan
2006-08-10 04:59:11

can anyone explain the UK ?
started down in june 04 now stalled w maybe a 10% correction
means,medians eventually they should be on the money- they actually showed an increase in price this spring…….

Comment by ajh
2006-08-10 05:08:15

Serious shortages of buildable land due to restrictive zoning.

Comment by John Doe
2006-08-10 07:22:30

Not true.

This is a sucker rally, right shoulder of a head and shoulders. Look forward to see complete capitulation in 2 years. We’ll likely follow a similar path with a slight rebound at the end of ‘07. We won’t see real fear and loating until 2009-2010.

Comment by ajh
2006-08-11 03:35:16

I’m not disagreeing that there’s a sucker rally, but there’s also a genuine shortage of buildable land, especially in the South East.

That’s why the market is currently bifurcating; it’s absolutely flat (and apartments are tanking as we post) where my relatives live in the Midlands and Scotland, but going up around London.

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Comment by hoz
2006-08-10 09:27:22

FromTodays Guardian:
Bank signals that rates could rise again

· Governor hints at possible increase to 5%
· Dearer oil prices and tuition fees will take toll
….Even the latest jump in people going bankrupt did not pose a threat to Britain’s economy, he said, given that most people with secured debt, like mortgages, were still keeping up their payments.

As for first-time buyers now faced with the prospect of higher mortgage payments after the rate increase, Mr King said their main obstacle was not dearer borrowing but high house prices, which were finally rising at a more sustainable pace….
http://tinyurl.com/kucr4

 
 
Comment by jp
2006-08-10 05:08:35

Very sad, $4M homes in the Hamptons are just sitting gathering dust:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/10/business/10homes.html

Comment by Death_spiral
2006-08-10 05:25:37

yeah, that really tears me up.

 
 
Comment by Brandon
2006-08-10 05:26:22

This poster (’Bruce”) from the WSJ RE board is funny:

“…Well, there can be no bubble with unemployment at 4.8% (look at double-digit for the European Union), healthy job creation, demand at healthy levels due to population growth, and cessation of the Fed’s raising of interest rates. Grant you, gas prices are pinching people, but did you know that Disney World and the central Florida attractions saw a record 85,000,000 visitors, up from about 60,000,000 last year? When people entertain and take vacations in greater numbers, it only means one thing: they have discretionary spending money in the bank. So, the theory that this is going to be a bubble, is unfounded.”

My take: unemployment is low due to the jobs created by RE, construction, mortgage. The fed paused once on the rate hikes- is that a cessation? Many people are entertaining and vacationing in record numbers as homeowners are flush from cashing out equity.

My theory is that the recently booming economy is being propped up by equity from the RE market. When the bubble deflates, the equity cash goes away along with related jobs and discretionary income.

Comment by eastcoaster
2006-08-10 05:34:35

Many people are entertaining and vacationing in record numbers as homeowners are flush from cashing out equity.

Or they’re just charging it all…

Comment by Bill In Phoenix
2006-08-10 05:59:53

“Or they’re just charging it all…”

I think that is the situation.

Comment by Desmo
2006-08-10 06:39:53

There is no difference.

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Comment by ex-Californian
2006-08-10 09:53:13

There is no difference.

I can think of one: if you default on a credit card, they don’t foreclose on your house.

 
 
 
Comment by hoz
2006-08-10 09:30:30

I doubt his statements regarding tourist dollars in Florida - I call it BS.

 
 
Comment by Sold at peak
2006-08-10 06:33:42

Unemployment is low due to the fact that the U.S. fudges its numbers. The methodology was changed to produce fake results.

 
Comment by dannll
2006-08-10 07:21:36

The Big Lie…unemployment at 4.8%.
Big Lie #2…Inflation at less than 3%. Both are closer to 10% than the government figures. As the housing ATM stops spewing the cash out look for actual uneployment to head for Depression levels. On the ‘positive’ side at least inflation with slow.

 
Comment by DC in LBV
2006-08-10 10:20:35

An a research analyst responsible for central Florida tourist profiling, I can say with absolute certainty that 85 MM & 60 MM volumes are pure, made-up B.S.

Comment by Michael Viking
2006-08-10 12:27:38

It sure looks like BS, just on the magnitude of those numbers alone, let alone the magnitude of the difference. No matter what the numbers are, using a housing ATM to afford a trip to Disneyworld means squat - except that when the ATM runs out, they’ll go from the supposed 85 M to 10M.

 
 
 
Comment by Doc
2006-08-10 05:26:27

I have posted a question a few times asking y’all which other sites you regularly read for ideas on the economy generally, with no replies.

So, based on some URLs that have been posted here and there on this blog, and some other searching around on my own, I came up with the following list. Others who are interested in educating themselves about economic scenarios that neither your stockbroker nor the MSM will tell you about might be interested in:

http://www.xanga.com/russwinter
http://www.itulip.com
globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com
rebalancing.blogspot.com
http://www.prudentbear.com

Maybe most of you know about these, but maybe some of you would find this useful. I certainly did. Any other suggestions would be welcome.

Doc

(PS, no, I am not affiliated with any of the above)

Comment by ajh
2006-08-10 05:41:41

angrybear.blogspot.com (be aware it’s biased left)
http://www.financialsense.com (be aware it’s goldbugs)
http://www.economist.com (a lot of articles are subscriber-only, at least initially, but it gives a good global perspective)
the daily digests at morgan stanley
I usually read the transcripts of PBS’s Nightly Business Report, for a quick US overview (I’m Australian)

Comment by Robert Coté
2006-08-10 05:53:33

Angry Bear biased left? Ya think? Look, if they stood on their tippy toes and squinted real hard they might catch a glimpse of the traditional left far off in the conservative haze to their far far right.

Comment by Chip
2006-08-10 19:11:34

LOL. Robert, ya got a way with words. Coulda been a successful satirist, I think.

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Comment by cactus
2006-08-10 05:48:49

http://www.safehaven.com/index.cfm

All kinds of stuff - mostly Gold Bugs.

Comment by OCBear
2006-08-10 05:57:32

Where the Mogombo Guru is published, and many many more articles by very astute people.

http://www.dailyreckoning.com/

Comment by Sunsetbeachguy
2006-08-10 06:10:15

Calculated Risk

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Comment by Arwen U.
2006-08-10 05:38:58

This fellow on the DC craigslist has got his list of nearly foreclosed properties for sale whittled down since it was posted here a few months back.

Unbelievable non-cash-flow, though. On one in Reston, VA, mortgage is $1,880, and LL takes in $614 a month.

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/rfs/191263640.html

Comment by waiting for godot
2006-08-10 05:55:06

How do you get an $800 condo fee? Out of control

Comment by We Rent!
2006-08-10 06:31:28

First mortgage — $1700/month
Second mortgage — $700/month
Third — $940/month

Wha????

 
 
 
Comment by eastcoaster
2006-08-10 05:44:00

BOOM DAYS GONE

Region feels ripples from home building slowdown
Slowdown in building is rocking small contractors as they scramble for jobs
http://tinyurl.com/efkwc

Comment by scdave
2006-08-10 06:15:14

BOOM DAYS GONE……And the question is;…Is it systemic ???

 
 
Comment by LaLawyer
2006-08-10 05:51:23

For some, renting makes more sense

Dogpile on home buyers today in the MSM. Wait . . . paying 50% more to own a depreciating asset isn’t smart ? But I thought prices always go up!

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/housing/2006-08-09-rent-1a-usat_x.htm

Comment by dreaming 08
2006-08-10 06:25:00

“For someone debating whether to rent or buy in a market that’s experienced recent and substantial house-price run-up, it may be better to delay the home purchase and see what the market looks like a year or two down the road,” says Stuart Gabriel, director of the Lusk Center for Real Estate at the University of Southern California.

Definitely a change of tune for this organization!

 
Comment by auger-inn
2006-08-10 06:36:17

AOL is doing their part to shove more housing onto the market. Tag line today in the broadband “marketplace” that flashes on the screen continually while logged on is “CUT YOUR ASKING PRICE (BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE)” with a picture of a for sale sign in front of a house. That concept just reached a few million people heretofore unaware of the popped bubble!

Comment by manhattanite
2006-08-10 10:22:41

there seems to have been a certain point after it’s obvious that the emperor has no clothes that the r.e industry makes a complete 180 and starts cheerleading: “lower your prices; let’s have some sales already!!!”

Comment by Mozo Maz
2006-08-10 16:38:26

See my post at the bottom. August 10 is “Bubble Undeniable Day”. Welcome to mainstream thought.

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Comment by bacon
2006-08-10 06:39:54

and then there’s this math teacher in Florida…

“Real estate is probably the best investment any young person can make,” says Yadiris Ferreira, 29, who bought a condo last month in Pembroke Pines, Fla.

Still, her mortgage, including homeowner association fees, totals $1,800 a month — more than half the money she takes home as a high school math teacher. “It’s crazy,” Ferreira concedes.

But, she explains, “If I didn’t buy something soon, it was going to get to the point that I couldn’t afford anything.”

Comment by arlingtonva
2006-08-10 07:32:46

Listen to yourself. YES IT IS CRAZY!

 
Comment by shibaku
2006-08-10 10:42:57

The best part is that she’s a *math* teacher. That’s a reassuring thought…

 
 
Comment by We Rent!
2006-08-10 06:47:21

“The national median mortgage payment is $1,687 a month, nearly twice the median rent payment of $868 a month. The financial gap is even larger in cities where home prices recently rose to sky-scraping heights, such as New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles and Washington, according to an analysis by Marcus & Millichap for USA TODAY.”

So, you’re saying that, even if lending standards and interest rates remain unchanged, NATIONAL prices need to lose 50% to come to balance. Throw in possible 30-yr rate increases, and down-payment & standard tightening, and some could be in for one of them life-changing moments.

 
 
Comment by Moman
2006-08-10 06:12:23

The other day I wrote of a girl I am dating who is in the process of purchasing a condo and whether I should say anything. I’m here to report the outcome.

She briefly mentioned that she was worried because prices are dropping and asked whether it would be a temporary blip or would they keep dropping? I said I thought they would keep dropping and she said that’s kind of what she thought. She then said she was renegotiating with the guy to get him to lower the price down. She said he is already selling at a loss (she looked up the 2005 sale price). So by the looks of it she is being very prudent so I consider it “mission accomplished”.

Comment by eastcoaster
2006-08-10 06:36:01

Mission accomplished AND sounds like things are moving along nicely for you two since the first time you brought it up she was just a “friend who you went on a date with” and now she’s a “girl you are dating” ;-)

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2006-08-10 07:14:13

She is buying the place from a flipper if the last purchase was a 2005 sales date . Really I think she might be overpaying . I would come on strong and suggest that she doesn’t buy . You don’t want to get cozy with someone that is going to be up-side down do you ?

Comment by Moman
2006-08-10 08:14:06

No, but let’s not get the cart ahead of the horse. She is making a decision with good information, which is all I am interested in. We shall see how it plays out.

 
 
 
Comment by Moman
2006-08-10 06:15:45

I received my rent increase notice today. It’s a modest $50 a month which is quite a bit less than they wanted to increase last year. Thus I am happy, and it looks like the housing market slowdown is starting to take it’s toll on rent increases. Just 2-3 months ago my neighbors all paid $100-200 a month increases on their leases.

Comment by jp
2006-08-10 06:27:21

Call back and say you’d be willing to renew @ the current rent, for (say) 13 months. When they say why, say something about seeing a few nice places around the area, but that you always pay your rent on time and can see you’re way clear to staying put for a while.

worked for me…

Comment by jp
2006-08-10 06:27:53

-”you’re”
+ your

 
 
Comment by eastcoaster
2006-08-10 06:39:06

My rent was lowered $20/month, but we now have to pay for gas (which is negligible for months where I don’t need heat - someone in the building told me their gas bill in the summer was only about $13 - not sure what to expect in winter).

 
Comment by crash1
2006-08-10 08:44:46

I haven’t seen a rent increase in 4 years.

 
 
Comment by Sold at peak
2006-08-10 06:35:15

Anybody see this already?

Wednesday, August 9, 2006
Mass. a leader in foreclosures, home price reductions
Two new reports on the housing market in Massachusetts and elsewhere offer a glimpse of a weak market where foreclosures continue to rise and where in some communities more than half the homes on the market have had their asking prices reduced.

In one report, the town of Newton tops a national list of cities and suburbs in the percentage of homes on the market at least a month that have had their asking prices reduced. That same report, the first of its kind from national online real estate agency Zip Realty, ranks Massachusetts second only to California among states with cities in the top 20 for percentage of price-reduced homes.

The second report, from research firm RealtyTrac Inc., reported that foreclosure filings in the metropolitan Boston market increased by 181.1 percent in the second quarter of 2006 compared with the same period a year ago. In the second quarter the area had 1,823 foreclosure filings, which is the first step taken by lenders toward reclaiming properties from delinquent mortgage holders. That’s one foreclosure for every 1,243 households.

Both reports were released today.
(By Keith Reed, Globe staff)

http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2006/08/mass_a_leader_i.html?p1=MEWell_Pos1

 
Comment by rentingrocks!
2006-08-10 06:43:21

http://yahoo.businessweek.com/investor/content/aug2006/pi20060810_284614.htm

the money quote basically says that everyone will work together to keep foreclosures down. The question is how…in light of Fannie Mae’s new streamlined refis, I’m wondering if they can physically force people not to leave their houses when they are upside down. Also, how do you stop a foreclosure when the loan is higher than the value? In a depreciating market where monthly payments never correspondingly decrease, and thanks to PITI, mostly increase, why not rent?

 
Comment by tlm
2006-08-10 06:43:26

I’ve always been curious about how the whole bubble will play out, and finally I put together a graph showing how price and inventory have changed and will change throughout the cycle. This is just something I reasoned out last night, so I’m sure some parts are wrong. What do you think? Let me know, thanks!

Bubble Graph

Comment by tlm
2006-08-10 06:45:34

(Warning, some people were getting really geeky last night on the previous bit bucket, so the graph involves a derivate curve! Yikes!)

 
Comment by flatffplan
2006-08-10 06:51:13

good idea but painful to look at- I think trnasactions will pick up this fall as sellers throw in the towel

Comment by Housing Wizard
2006-08-10 07:20:50

Yep . That why I still stand by my prediction of 15% drop nationwide and 20 to 25 % drop in major bubble areas . I don’t know if they are going to be honest and include builder/seller incentives when they report . As far as I’m concerned incentives are a drop in price because it’s all about what the seller nets out at the close of escrow .

 
Comment by tlm
2006-08-10 07:42:26

Are you saying transactions will pick up because stupid buyers will try to catch a falling knife? Or that they will increase because we’ll be back to sane price levels already by then?

By the way, one of the main points of the graph is to illustrate a discussion we had yesterday about why inventory will keep rising a while longer even as price falls. My guess on how that plays out goes like this: Construction projects stall (less inventory increase), everyone who needs to get out will have their house listed already (less inventory increase), and lower prices result in more sales. Eventually sales outdo added inventory and those 50,000+ properties in Phoenix start moving. Maybe it’ll be 100,000+ by then. Part of me finds it hard to believe, though, that there will ever be enough buyers to make a sizeable dent in that for several years. Hmm…

Comment by Housing Wizard
2006-08-10 08:33:58

I think sales will pick up because buyers will try to catch a falling knife when the sellers start reducing more for the rest of the year . There will be less sales but it will reduce the average prices .

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Comment by tlm
2006-08-10 08:49:22

I think you’re right.. to a point. But think about how many people right now are utterly clueless about how prices are starting to dip. Many of them are still buying like there’s no tomorrow. Once YOY price declines hit everywhere, maybe it will finally get reported widely and even those with Clue Deficit Syndrome will realize that something’s gone wrong. Once those people begin to doubt, can a few knife-catchers prop sales up?

I know lots of people kept buying dot.com stocks at $100, $30, $15, $5, $2.. but it wasn’t enough to hold them up.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Chip
2006-08-10 19:18:49

Tim — nice chart and notes. I can explain them to my wife without her eyes glazing over.

 
 
Comment by sm_landlord
2006-08-10 06:47:52

2 Key Firms’ Results Raise Housing Fears

from the LA Times Business Section

 
Comment by hoz
2006-08-10 08:34:24

“It’s heartbreakingly easy,” says Stan Jonas, a pioneer of interest rate derivatives markets who until recently traded the products at Fimat, the brokerage owned by Société Générale….
The increasing transparency of central banks’ decision-making processes - sometimes influenced by financial markets as well as vice versa - also encourages investors to trade on their expectations. That has helped ensure another necessary condition for a successful Dutch book strategy - someone else has to bet first.

Also helping the strategy - notably in the US markets - is that, according to Mr Jonas, “every security is perfectly priced.”

That is, based on the probabilities for interest rate moves implied by futures markets, the theoretical prices of every security - including interest rate futures and Treasury bonds - match the market prices to within a whisker….
The hedging strategy is also designed to ensure a win-win result, at a cost of no more than the coupon on a two-year Treasury. “In the worst case,” Mr Jonas says, “you’re self-insured.”
From the Financial Times
A nice rate if you can get it
By Richard Beales
August 7 2006
http://tinyurl.com/jqax6

IMHO the hedge funds will destroy the world economy. I especially love win - win situations. Sounds like realtor speak “housing never goes down.”

 
Comment by tlm
2006-08-10 08:34:43

This story is unbelievable. Voters in Bozeman, MT narrowly turned down a plan to buy 80 acres for a high school at $60,000/acre. That’s almost $5 million total. But here’s the kicker: “But many voters criticized the deal, especially after learning that the businessman who wanted to sell the land to the school for $60,000 an acre had bought it just weeks earlier for $30,000 an acre”

Someone trying to make 100% from a quick flip at taxpayer expense! And it almost passed!

And then: “School trustees urged the public to approve the purchase, saying it was the best deal they’d found in five years of searching and competing with developers for land.”

My goodness, even the school district has been caught up in the mania. That’s just amazing.

Land deal rejected

Comment by implosion
2006-08-10 17:55:01

Let’s see - they claimed to have looked for 5 years and some guy bought it for half of what they were willling to pay 3 weeks earlier? F*n tards or liars or both. Sounds like a city with some real bright people running the public education establishment.

 
Comment by Chip
2006-08-10 19:29:22

That vote failed by about 3%. Amazing. And what is wrong with driving one or two miles outside Bozeman, to start looking for suitable land?

I’m not amazed that there may be a crook involved in the deal — I’m amazed that more than 2,000 people were willing to fall, and pay, for it.

 
 
Comment by hoz
2006-08-10 08:39:53

I did not see this posted if so I apologize, but the next thing to happen in the mortgage industry:
From August 5 Times on Line
Supersize your mortgage!
By Rebecca O’Connor
Homebuyers are being offered huge home loans in exchange for a slice of the profits when they sell their home, under a deal launched this week. Advantage, the new mortgage lending arm of Morgan Stanley, will allow house hunters to borrow up to seven times their income. Other mortgage companies rarely lend more than 4.5 times income.

Advantage claims that its deals could be the answer to the prayers of anyone struggling to clamber on to, or climb up, the property ladder.

…It also means that a homeowner unfortunate enough to sell his or her house at a £100,000 loss would be left just £65,000 out of pocket.

Ray Boulger, of John Charcol, the mortgage broker, says: “This is the only scheme that will also accept a share of losses, making it attractive.”

But others think that it could defeat its own aim by pushing house prices higher and making homeownership an unprofitable investment…”
http://tinyurl.com/zwsd2

 
Comment by John Fontain
2006-08-10 08:42:41

Year over Year price declines in northern Virginia!!!!

The July sales figures are out. Average prices in northern Virginia (defined as Fairfax, Alex, Arl, and FC) dropped 4% YoY and 7% from June 06. This marks our first year over year price drop during the Great Housing Bubble.

July 06 avg = 538k
July 05 avg = 560k
June 06 avg = 579k

Other noteworthy items:

Arlington County avg = -9.7% YoY
Alexandria City avg = -6.2% YoY
Fairfax County avg = -2.6% YoY
Washington DC avg = -2.3% YoY

All this info is available at the following link:

http://www.mris.com/reports/stats/

I’ll be waiting to see if the press picks up on this or chooses to ignore it.

Comment by Doc
2006-08-10 14:34:21

Does anyone have (or know where this could be found) a map of area-by-area price declines in Northern VA? There was talk a few weeks ago about whether these declines would start at the periphery and work their way in, in concentric circles, or whether it would start at the center and work its way out. Seems like we have the data now to figure out which way the pattern is going - larger losses at the periphery, or larger losses closer to the central core. My problem is that I don’t know which counties, cities, and areas are where (new to VA - sorry). the MRIS web site doesn’t seem to offer such a GIS type option. Any ideas?

 
 
Comment by kipper
2006-08-10 08:45:08

We’ve talked about this before but there was an rticle in our local paper about Edison Electric Co. Here is some of it:

RESIDENTS SHOCKED OVER HIGH ELECTRIC BILLS
Another rate hike is due

Larry Bronner’s electric bill for July came in higher than most people’s monthly mortgage payment. The news was shocking.
Bronner, who lives with three other people in a 5,000-square-foot Agoura Hills home, said he paid $1,896 to keep his household temperature at 80 degrees during July’s heat wave. He said the recent So.Cal. Co. rate hikes are partly to blame.
Edison has raised rates twice this year and another increase is still to come, a spokesperson said. Rates were raised Jan 1 and Feb. 4 resulting in a 15 percent increase for the average Edison customer.

There is much more to the article but that is the gyst (sp?) of it. If I remember correctly, own bill was $385.00 in June. My house is only 1400 sq ft and I keep the temp a cool 75/76 degrees. I don’t know what my July bill is really because I got an estimated bill of $57.00 because they sometimes have trouble reading our meter. Unfortunately, that just means we will be paying much more next month since the rates are on a tier and anything over baseline gets charged at three different rates. Mine will have much more “overbaseline” charges since it will encompass two mnths worth. I will call and negotiate when I get the actual bill.

Comment by Chip
2006-08-10 19:34:36

Kipper — the gist of it is that either the 5,000 s.f. house is really old and has vitrually no effective insulation, or - “you been lied to, sucka.” Electricity prices are high, but they’re not that high. From time to time, a local rag will run a sensational story about an electric bill that, it turns out, was caused by a mis-reading of the meter.

Comment by kipper
2006-08-11 05:40:30

I would think so too but we have heard a lot of people complain - friends of ours. I would agree that this guy probably has a less than efficient older air conditioning system and is probably a worse case scenario but I have heard of $1,000. monthly bills before the article came out. PS Thanks for the spelling hint!

 
 
 
Comment by txchick57
2006-08-10 09:23:52

When the Walls Come Tumbling Down
By Doug Kass
Street Insight Contributor
8/10/2006 1:04 PM EDT
URL: http://www.thestreet.com/p/markets/realestate/10302860.html

Editor’s Note: This column by Doug Kass is a special bonus for TheStreet.com and RealMoney readers. It first appeared on Street Insight on Aug. 9 at 7:58 a.m. EDT. To sign up for Street Insight, where you can read Kass’ commentary in real time, please click here.

Our house is a very, very, very fine house
With two cats in the yard
Life used to be so hard
Now everything is easy, ’cause of you
I’ll light the fire
While you place the flowers in the vase that you bought today.

– Our House, Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young

At the core of my economic concerns for 2006-08 is the swift and deep deterioration in the U.S. real estate market.

Housing has been — to paraphrase New York Yankee owner George Steinbrenner (in his description of slugger Reggie Jackson) — the straw that stirs the drink of the consumer and the economy.

The construction industry has been the most important catalyst for economic growth since 2001. The Federal Reserve took interest rates to unprecedented low levels, and mortgage lenders encouraged activity through creative mortgages, which kept mortgage debt service even lower by requiring small monthly payments.

Indeed, economists at Merrill Lynch (and elsewhere) have pointed out that residential and nonresidential construction activity was responsible for nearly half of GDP and employment growth since 2001.

Equally important, the unprecedented rise in home prices (especially of a coastal nature) buoyed consumer confidence, allowed the consumption binge to be extended (through record refinancing cashouts) and encouraged consumers to stop saving (comfortably relying instead on the appreciation of their homes).

On The Edge, I argued — prematurely — that the housing cycle was no different than past cyclical experiences and that the long boom forecast by industry participants (homebuilders and analysts) was fallacious and, in the fullness of time, housing activity and prices were headed for a fall.

The major reasons for my forecast were twofold and differed from the declines of the past (which were influenced by job losses and other negative macroeconomic forces). Affordability (home prices divided by household incomes) had been stretched to levels never before seen, and a new class of buyers (speculators or daytraders of homes) had artificially inspired rising home prices (very similar to daytraders of stocks in the late 1990s).

Over the last nine months, the cyclical peak in housing activity has come and gone. Almost weekly, prior upward guidance by homebuilders has been replaced by the slashing of estimates, lower order rates and eroding backlogs. And the industry’s inventory has mushroomed to multiyear highs.

The worst is yet to come for housing; it is moving toward a very hard landing. And with a further decline, will be (important) attendant and adverse ramifications for consumer confidence and aggregate economic growth.

Housing led the economic recovery and will now lead the economy’s contraction — a causal relationship far older than most hedge fund managers’ (who have never seen a bear market) half-life of investing.

House in the Hamptons
This morning I wanted to write about my home and my neighborhood as an illustration of how quickly real estate markets turn and how worrisome the downward trend in the housing market might become.

For five months of the year, I live in the tony town of East Hampton, N.Y. (I purchased the home three years ago.) I live in a nice 50-year-old home on a little more than an acre, which sits about five blocks from Georgica Beach.

When I left East Hampton for southern Florida (my winter residence) last October (which, coincidentally, was the statistical peak in housing), there were no homes for sale on my block (which consists of about 12 homes). However, upon returning to Long Island in late May 2006, four of the existing 12 houses had been demolished and replaced with new homes for sale (I would estimate, on average, each home was about 7,000 square feet).

All four homes have been for sale since May (by speculators/developers) with no bids. Moreover, three other existing homes on my block have been put on the market this summer. No bids there either.

Real estage agents across the country routinely have Sunday open houses, and East Hampton is no exception. Those open houses on my street have come and gone; there has been no traffic.

East Hampton is symptomatic of many other coastal real estate markets. The hard landing in housing is upon us and, as usual, the cycle will be more extreme than expected — just as the climb was unexpectedly high.

During the halcyon times last spring, I participated in a CNBC town hall special titled “The Real Estate Boom,” in which Dr. Robert Shiller of Yale University and I debated with optimistic industry participants and housing economists about the slope of the cycle. We were in the distinct minority. Many industry insiders still see a soft landing in housing. They were, and are, wrong.

As I mentioned previously, the statistical peak in housing (measured by new-home sales) was October 2005, only nine months ago (and with a unit drop in new-home sales since the peak of less than 20%). By contrast, the average postwar cyclical downturn for housing has been between 26 to 52 months, and in units, has averaged a 51% drop.

As I wrote earlier, the worst is yet to come for housing and, with it, the multiplier effect on the domestic economy will be felt widely.

Comment by Chip
2006-08-10 19:41:00

TxChick — great article. Thanks.

 
 
Comment by samk
2006-08-10 09:51:44

Just a tidbit from my area. I drive past an automibile repossessor’s office every day and for the past few weeks he has new cars in his lot every single day. His business appears to be picking up. Granted the vehicles are not all new, and I’ve yet to see a Hummer in the mix, but I have recently seen more new vehicles than usual including a few Mercedes.

Also, our mortgage borker keeps calling us to see if we want to refinance at new lower rates. I haven’t been returning her calls.

Comment by justlookin
2006-08-10 11:29:08

“I’ve yet to see a Hummer in the mix”

only b/c the repo truck doesn’t have that kind of towing capacity. LoL

 
 
Comment by SFRenter
2006-08-10 10:24:25

Directly across from my office they’re installing a new billboard for The Learning Annex: “Learn How You Can PROFIT from the upcoming REAL ESTATE SHAKE UP! 72 Speakers!” This replaces the previous, “Real Estate Wealth Expo!” billboard, also by Learning Annex, for the SAME EVENT.

 
Comment by hoz
2006-08-10 10:31:03

Another blow for affordability.
N.J. has highest property taxes in U.S.
- Barbara Lehman has lived in this central New Jersey community for 30 years, but her time here is nearing an end….
But her property taxes have climbed 56 percent since 2000 to a knee-buckling $14,000 a year — a heavy load for a high school French teacher whose salary goes up only about 3 percent a year….
A recent analysis by The New York Times found property taxes increased two to three times faster than personal income from 2000 to 2004 in the suburbs surrounding New York City. New Jersey’s booming Somerset County — where Montgomery is situated — got slammed harder than anywhere else in the region, with property taxes climbing 41 percent there while income increased but 5 percent.

Susan Horowitz and her husband just marked their 30th year in Montgomery, but they are unsure how long they will be staying. Both are retired teachers who have watched their property taxes nearly double since 2000 to about $12,500 per year….
http://tinyurl.com/nqo3h
Yahoo news
It is only going to get worse.

 
Comment by txchick57
2006-08-10 11:02:04

I guess I have a perverted sense of humor because I find it funny that the only properties listed for sale on Craigslist Beirut are in U.S. bubble areas!

http://beirut.craigslist.org/rfs/

Comment by Chip
2006-08-10 19:48:15

Somebody’s going to pay for Greenspan’s mess. (For the most part)Ain’t you. Ain’t me. Might be someone who wants to “leave” in the US of A badly enough. It might be like in that animated movie, “The Circle of Credit,” where one debtor is eaten by the next, so that the cycle can go on.

 
 
Comment by samk
2006-08-10 11:33:38

Heh.

http://beirut.craigslist.org/rfs/190462945.html

“LBT16979 COME LEAVE IN OHIO LIKE A KING FOR $130 PER MONTH ASSES AT $48k

——————————————————————————–
Reply to: hous-190462945@craigslist.org
Date: 2006-08-05, 9:05PM EEST

come to the milk and honey capital of the world….no fighting
raise your kids at the higest university in usa
dayton is known as the capital of the world for innovators
and its the birthplace of aviation among other things
2 stories
assesment at $48,500
appliances stay
new roof
new windows
new vinyl siding
huge garden
much more i have full details and picture
invest today , for you? for your kids? for your wife? trade it? lease it out? etc “

Comment by Chip
2006-08-10 19:51:20

He/she doesn’t seem to flesh out the $130 a month part. Even at $48K, that would have to be a suicide loan or a pretty stupid rent.

 
 
Comment by justlookin
2006-08-10 12:35:15

I heard an ad on the radio today for condo sales that come with a “guaranteed, preapproved renter”….. Too funny.

Comment by Chip
2006-08-10 19:52:18

I like that. Next time I want to sell, I’ll try to remember to offer a preapproved renter. Has own cart.

 
 
Comment by OB_Tom
2006-08-10 12:49:38

Instant slum:
http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/articles/2006/08/10/news/01bayview.txt
But at least there won’t be any noisy kids around, they’ll all have fallen off that railing…..
$185k for a 500 sq.ft. condo in National City. Sounds like a great investment, you can probably rent it out for around $500 per month if you don’t want to live in vibrant National City yourself.

 
Comment by OB_Tom
2006-08-10 12:50:16

Prices are going up (or maybe down?)
http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/toscano/

 
Comment by Peggy
2006-08-10 13:02:23

From today’s Korean Herald:

“In just two months since the government lifted restrictions on offshore investments, over 100 billion won ($107 million) flowed into the overseas real estate market, official data shows. Experts said Korean investors are increasingly looking overseas, particularly at the United States, after the government imposed a series of tough antispeculation measures to curb rising housing prices here.”

http://tinyurl.com/f3wop

Seems no one told these “investors” that housing is wildly overpriced here in the US…

 
Comment by OB_Tom
2006-08-10 14:26:45

The realtors finally get it? Or maybe not. What on earth does “leaving homeowners with less wiggle room to balance higher interest rates with slower income growth” mean?

“We estimate that $500 billion in first-lien mortgages and $650 billion in second-liens are scheduled to adjust this year. Even more dramatically, we estimate that $81 billion was cashed out of home equity through first-lien refinancing during the second quarter, up from $74 billion in the first. Home equity wealth gains have been key to supporting consumer spending. As house price appreciation continues to slow, this mechanism for sustaining consumer spending will diminish, leaving homeowners with less wiggle room to balance higher interest rates with slower income growth.”

http://realtytimes.com/rtcpages/20060810_augustoutlook.htm

 
Comment by OB_Tom
2006-08-10 14:32:49

I just don’t get the Bimbo realtors (in RealtyTimes’ San Diego market conditions section) that claim prices are still rising. It’s supposed to be present market conditions, not knee-jerk Y-o-Y reporting. I guess if they fell out of a plane they would say their altitude is still increasing because they are higher up in the air than they were yesterday?

 
Comment by Mozo Maz
2006-08-10 16:32:29

I nominate August 10 as “Bubble Undeniable Day” - Ben being interviewd by MSNBC… USA Today with a front page story about how renting is cheaper than owning (including a giant graph showing this.)

How much more mainstream does this news need to get? Anyone who does not know there is a bubble at this point truly is a head-in-the-sand fool.

Comment by GetStucco
2006-08-10 22:39:00

“Anyone who does not know there is a bubble at this point truly is a head-in-the-sand fool.”

How about blind, deaf, and illiterate in braille?

 
 
Comment by txchick57
Comment by implosion
2006-08-10 18:13:37

I’m always amazed that more of these guys don’t just disappear - permanently.

 
Comment by Chip
2006-08-10 19:59:40

Interesting that one of the named parties, all others of which seem to be aliases for this 29-year-old genius, is “The Cloaking Device, Inc., a Nevada corporation.”

 
 
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