October 14, 2006

‘More Incentives As The Roof Caves In’

MarketWatch reports on the homebuilders. “Large home builders are dangling out more incentives to reluctant buyers as the roof caves in on the U.S. housing market. To entice customers, companies are serving up deals that include a free pool, a fancy kitchen or even a new car. But real-estate brokers say all buyers want is a cheaper house.”

“In September about 77% of home builders were offering some sort of sales incentive in response to spiking inventories, compared with 58% a year earlier, says Gopal Ahluwalia, at the National Association of Home Builders.”

“Forty-four percent of builders were reducing home prices, 4% were including a new car with the home and 5% were offering a free holiday trip. Underscoring the sharp pullback in the housing market, the NAHB didn’t even bother to poll builders on those three questions last year.”

“‘Inventories are at all-time highs,’ said UBS analyst Margaret Whelan. After the housing market peaked in 2004 and 2005, she said many large builders were caught with unsold inventories, which have bumped up even more due to cancellations. The companies that built so-called speculative or ’spec’ homes in an effort to squeeze every drop from the housing boom are now in the most trouble.”

“‘Home builders are generally using incentives now just to make sales happen,’ said analyst Todd Vencil. The more-speculative markets in recent years such as California, Florida and some other coastal areas are seeing the most incentives because inventories and cancellations are the highest.”

“‘Inventory does not ripen or get better with age, so the builders just want to move it,’ said Vencil. He said he’s heard the stories about some sellers offering free cars, which highlights how desperate some developers and builders are to attract buyers.”

“‘You see incentives in every market, they’re a marketing tool to get in front of customers,’ the analyst said. ‘However, there’s a difference between incentives for marketing purposes, and incentives to dump excess inventory.’”

“Among public builders, many analysts point to Lennar as the biggest user of incentives to protect its sales pace. ‘As we’ve continued to see weakening conditions in many of our strategic markets, we’re experiencing slower sales, higher cancellations, and greater use of incentives and discounting,’ said Lennar CEO Stuart Miller.”

“He said Lennar’s goal is to focus on cash flow at the expense of maintaining profit margins. ‘The best way to generate cash flow is to deliver our inventory..by reducing price to market pricing and converting inventory to cash,’ he said. ‘We have rigorously pursued this objective by using incentives and price reductions to sell homes and to back-fill cancellations.’”

“D.R. Horton CEO Donald Tomnitz said he thinks 2007 will be characterized by continuing incentives to move the existing inventory, which has largely been created by the speculators and investors having gotten out of the market.”

“‘Why are they out of the market? Because they can’t contract to buy a home today and resell it for 15% or 20% more,’ he said. With cancellations up and inventories growing, Tomnitz said D.R. Horton is trying to negotiate with buyers to close homes, noting ‘a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.’”

“Delores Conway at the USC Lusk Center for Real Estate, said builders in California have gotten more creative with incentives. ‘The buyers’ expectations have changed a lot, they’re afraid of buying at the high point of the market, so they feel it’s to their advantage to just sit and wait,’ she said.”

“In Arizona, another hot market that’s pulled back, almost every builder is offering up extras to sell homes, said realty agent Edward Maddox. Maddox said one regional builder this summer offered a new Honda Civic if customers purchased a home during the month of July. ‘They’ll give you anything to sell the home,’ Maddox said. ‘It’s 180 degrees from last year.’”

“Yet Maddox and some other brokers said simple price discounts pique buyers’ interest more than gimmicky marketing incentives such as a free washer or dryer. ‘Most buyers are focused on lowering their monthly payments, and a new car doesn’t help with that,’ Maddox said.”

The Wall Street Journal. “The current housing slump is making remodeling a kitchen or bathroom or adding an addition easier and cheaper. Sluggish home-building demand is pushing down the cost of construction materials (prices for lumber are near their lowest level in a decade) and spurring contractors to take on smaller projects, and sometimes cut fees.”

“Custom and speculative builders are also starting to take on renovation jobs, picking up work they may have passed over just a year ago.”

“In Tucson, Ariz., Richard Fink, a custom home builder, used to do a few remodeling jobs as favors to former clients; now remodeling has grown to half his business. Samm Jernigan, a high-end custom home builder in Wilmington, N.C., said earlier this year he started ‘aggressively pursuing’ remodeling projects for the first time, and John Diament, a home builder outside of Philadelphia, says two months ago he started asking architects to send big remodeling jobs his way.”

“‘It’s good news for the consumer if you’ve got a lot more people seeking projects,’ says Gopal Ahluwalia, for the National Association of Home Builders.”

“Meanwhile, prices of framing lumber have fallen dramatically, says Shawn Church, the editor of an industry newsletter. The composite price per thousand board feet of framing lumber was $274 this week, compared with $375 a year earlier. Ken Simonson, the chief economist for the Associated General Contractors of America, says he expects to see a roughly 10 percent drop in prices of gypsum and construction plastics when government price data are released later this month.”

“The falloff is largely because of slowing new-home construction, which for several years had driven up the cost of materials. Growth in spending on remodeling has also slowed recently, a result of rising interest rates and homeowners who have postponed selling, along with presale renovations”

“The new environment means that homeowners are more likely to find contractors willing to take on projects quickly. ‘Rather than saying ‘call me next spring,’ they’ll be more likely to say ‘I’ll be over this week to the talk about the project,’ says Kermit Baker, at the Harvard Joint Center.”

“Contractor Don Sever in Oakton, Va., says he sees interest in remodeling starting to ease. He has trimmed prices by about 5 percent to attract more business. ‘People are much more cautious about spending that home-equity money,’ he says.”

“When Bruce Ash wanted to do a large-scale renovation at his Tucson home, he found Mr. Fink of Becklin Construction to take on the $700,000 project. ‘Normally, the market has been such that we could never get custom builders to remodel homes, but now, they are interested,’ says Mr. Ash, a real-estate manager.”




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Comment by Greenlander
2006-10-14 05:30:23

HEY, BUILDERS!!!!!! Knock off the incentives and just lower the friggin’ price.

Comment by ronin
2006-10-14 07:19:23

“In Tucson, Ariz., Richard Fink, a custom home builder, used to do a few remodeling jobs as favors to former clients; now remodeling has grown to half his business…”

now custom home building has shrunk to half his business

Comment by Arizona Slim
2006-10-14 17:14:54

If home remodeling is the newest Big Thing here in Tucson, you sure can’t see evidence of it at the stores. Case in point: I was in Lowes’ Oracle Road store late this morning, and I was stunned to see how uncrowded it was. I felt like I had entered my own private big box.

 
 
Comment by Vmaxer
2006-10-14 07:35:18

“But real-estate brokers say all buyers want is a cheaper house.”

A well run business listens to it’s customers and gives them what they want. Buyers are saying that prices are to high. It’s that simple.

Comment by Vmaxer
2006-10-14 07:58:27

Existing home sellers agree that prices are to high. That’s why there’s so much inventory. It’s a rush for the exits. Look at what their doing not what their saying. Their behavior betrays their true thoughts.

 
 
Comment by GetStucco
2006-10-14 07:47:35

Lower sale prices would make it harder to keep the the builder stock price scam alive.

Comment by Hoz
2006-10-14 09:50:31

The important thing to remember about the stock market is that it is irrational. There will be a major recommendation on the home builders stocks on Monday. The reasons for the upgrade are 1) Contrary to most industries, the homebuilders have posted their lost sales, lost contracts, write downs of their owned property in a timely fashion. 2) By posting their results in a timely fashion, they have convinced a large number of fund managers that the home building industry is “different” from previous downturns when negative results were not posted until the quarter ended. 3) The news from the fed is that this is a “soft landing”, from a fund managers view - no matter how bad the actual crash of the housing bubble - as long as the funds buy Home building stocks - The fund managers cannot be fired. The fed says its a soft landing, etc. and home builders stocks relative to forward looking P/E ratios, based on a soft landing scenario, are low.

Comment by imploder
2006-10-14 10:41:41

Right, the Fed keeps making with the soothing talk, because they ain’t coming to the rescue. (rates aren’t coming back down, got a War to finance) Fund Managers exacerbate the problem by buying into b.s. recommendations on CYA moves. Everyone surprised when the financial “House” collapses, credit implodes and economy is in deep doo doo. Then Fed comes in, throws a couple .25 basis cuts on all the dead bodies lying in the financial graveyard and calls it a job well done.

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Comment by AE Newman
2006-10-14 14:11:36

imploder posts ” Then Fed comes in, throws a couple .25 basis cuts on all the dead bodies ”

Usuall they just shoot the wounded and call it a job well done.
They say we cannot “cut and run” in Iraq. Yet given a chance the government will do it to the little people all of the time!

 
 
Comment by GetStucco
2006-10-14 10:49:17

“The fund managers cannot be fired.”

Hoz — Your example and others that come to mind (Amaranth — SD County pension fund) strengthen my belief that the major bagholder category will prove to be pensioners.

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Comment by We Rent!
2006-10-14 05:58:36

“Meanwhile, prices of framing lumber have fallen dramatically, says Shawn Church, the editor of an industry newsletter. The composite price per thousand board feet of framing lumber was $274 this week, compared with $375 a year earlier.”

Didn’t I hear somewhere last year (maybe two years ago) that one of the justifications for increased prices for new homes was the increase cost of building materials? People MUST have known that the causality was backward, right? Yet they still chose to believe whatever would support their decision to buy. Morons.

Comment by Sunsetbeachguy
2006-10-14 06:06:48

I had a pretty smart Mechanical Engineer tell me that yesterday.

I tried to straighten him out, it was builders that were not price sensitive responding to the bubble that caused the run up in materials prices.

Comment by pv tom
2006-10-14 06:13:05

Sunset, how’s the sunrise this morning? Beutiful clouds over the ocean just a few miles north of you. I plan on popping into a few open houses today after soccer games with my kids to see the look on some realtors faces…

Comment by death_spiral
2006-10-14 08:52:27

WISHING I COULD JOIN YOU

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Comment by AE Newman
2006-10-14 14:15:30

posted I plan on popping into a few open houses today to see the look on some realtors faces…

I usually listen for a minute, cut some serious cheese SBD’s then leave.

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Comment by Vmaxer
2006-10-14 07:40:35

When you consider the amount of expansion in production capacity, that building material suppliers went through, the last few years, there will be tremendous pricing pressure going forward for them to maintain volumes and revenues. As a resuly, we should see years of falling materials and construction costs.

 
 
Comment by Eyefo
2006-10-14 05:58:51

I always find it irritating and ironic when huge builders like Horton blame the excesses on speculators, when in fact they build as much or more spec housing than anyone!

And guess what? They’re STILL building more houses when they can’t sell the ones in inventory!

Puuuleeeeze! Gimme a break!

Comment by Jas Jain
2006-10-14 06:17:09

Bubbles in our economy are ALWAYS due to Bankers’ Mischief. But for the reckless lending the speculators, or the builders, wouldn’t have bought, or built, all thosw homes.

The ultimate responsibility in our system lies with the Fraudulent Reserve System that is supposed to monotor banks for bad lending practices. Now what we have is a Systemic Risk.

Jas Jain

Comment by John Law
2006-10-14 07:02:24

amen.

 
Comment by death_spiral
2006-10-14 08:56:41

speaking of that, some arsewipe on CFC message board was praising the CEO for his great stewardship and how he would not let a company he built from ground up get into trouble. laughable stupidity. Mozilo has dumped every option he exercised. The CFO left and immediately dumped all his options. I guess they don’t want to get any richer.

 
 
 
Comment by tom stone
2006-10-14 06:03:17

“the excess inventory,caused by investotrs and speculators” wow.talk about the power of delusional thinking! it creates houses! when i was 13 i had some powerful thoughts about annette funnicello,but the results were different.or maybe not so different,it was a sticky situation too,but i didn’t get f’d.

Comment by Sobay
2006-10-14 06:43:06

- “He said Lennar’s goal is to focus on cash flow at the expense of maintaining profit margins.
- ‘The best way to generate cash flow is to deliver our inventory.
- by reducing price to market pricing and converting inventory to cash,’

It is called ” Losing money, but making it up on volume.”

Comment by North GA Dave
2006-10-14 07:08:41

Or in the Dot Com days, it was called selling dollars for 85 cents.

 
Comment by imploder
2006-10-14 09:27:45

The Big Builders will soon SLASH their prices and they’ll still be making money. Just not the OBSCENE profit margins they were enjoying.

As to the smaller one off builders? The brighter ones might wanna get a jump on “pine box’ construction for all the Flippers (Taco Bell night managers etc.) who bought at the previously mention OBSCENE prices.

Comment by House Inspector Clouseau
2006-10-14 09:39:26

I’m not so sure about this.

Builders defnitel make a good profit margin (I think it’s in the realm of 25%, anyone?)

However, they are very cash flow intensive… and a lot of their product takes years in the pipeline.

Thus, they need to keep their profit margins high to keep their cash flow and their credit lines open.

Even the big builders have to deal with this. they have many millions of $$$ of inventory sitting around DEPRECIATING with holding costs, not to mention the millions of bucks in land holdings and land options (much of which they bought at bubble prices in high cost areas).

They can run into some serious cash flow problems, even if they sell each home at a profit.

It of course doesn’t help that they’re burning their cash on stock buyback. This is CLEARLY a pump and dump situation. These builders are gonna buy back stock and allow insiders to sell. then they’ll go cashflow negative and declare BK.

it makes me so angry I could just pee.

But mark my words, many builders are gonna go BK, including some big boys. (I betcha at least one or two of the top 8)

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Comment by House Inspector Clouseau
2006-10-14 09:41:07

that smiley face should be an “8″ with an “end parenthesis”. I guess that makes a sunglassed smiley!

 
Comment by imploder
2006-10-14 10:29:27

I agree. No doubt, some big builders will go belly up.

 
Comment by phillygal
2006-10-14 13:55:29

RE: Builder’s profit margin
True story from the “inside”
I worked for a real estate company that had a marketing department dedicated to new construction. This was part of the company’s listing agreement with smaller builders who did not have their own mktg. dept: e.g. Toll, Pulte, Ryan.
Everyone who worked in my dept. had drunk the happy juice. I distinctly recall one conversation, when I was biatching about how stingy these cheapazz builders were when it came to producing marketing materials. One of the sales managers told me straight-faced: Oh but they have to be frugal, they work on such a small profit margin.
Me: laughing, thinking she was kidding. Oh yeah, 20% on million dollar home is chump change.
Kool-Aid drinker: Oh no, I had a personal conversation with one of the builders and he told me that he was lucky if he operated on the expectation of a 3% profit.
Me: (realizing she was serious, now laughing AT her instead of with her) Any builder that realizes less than 20% is a smacked a$$! I knew these guys wouldn’t have even broken ground if they even had a doubt that they would be generating a MINIMUM 25% profit.

This was during the height of the boom; the only incentives builders were offering were to BROKERS, not homebuyers, and these consisted of …whoa…hold me back…tickets to the Kimmel Center or a “Day at the Spa” to the broker who wrote the most contracts.
I had gone into that job so naively…I thought the builders would be struck from the same mold as my father, he was honest, and a real artisan at his work.
Boy did I get a rude awakening. We had a few guys, the ones who did smaller developments, who built quality product and seemed to be decent human beings. But the majority of them were:
a) cheap
b) primadonnas
c) grandiose
and
d) cheap (I know, it’s there twice)
That being said, those friggers made out like bandits in the past three years. Haven’t followed up on them…don’t know if greed caught up with any of them to the extent that they overstretched.

 
 
Comment by AE Newman
2006-10-14 14:28:47

imploder ” (Taco Bell night managers etc.) who bought at the previously mention OBSCENE prices.

Kinda’ hard on a couple youngsters trying to get into the biz? So what they made a few mistakes on the learning curve. I say if they promise to do better next time, the lenders should stake em’ again with 5 million each. Look imploder it is diffrent now, as they say it is a “new pardime”
Just because if you lost 50 cents of the bosses money he would beat your dick in with a ballbean hammer untill it was black and blue. That was in the olden’ days now you should think of this guys “self-esteem”. Besides with the business set backs on top of the loss of his career, I fear it could be too much for one man to endure. Job’s like that are hard to come by!

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Comment by GetStucco
2006-10-14 16:50:54

“The Big Builders will soon SLASH their prices and they’ll still be making money. Just not the OBSCENE profit margins they were enjoying.”

Just a hunch: The undertow from repricing of built homes, land and land option holdings will drown these rats — profit margins will also get squeezed, but this will be small potatoes by comparison. This is my knee-jerk, uninformed guess (but don’t be surprised if it turns out to be more accurate than all the upgrades recently issued by top Wall Street analysts).

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Comment by stanleyjohnson
2006-10-14 06:21:18

according to gary b. smith (a gary watson clone) the chart man, there is no and will be no housing crash. Full employement never brings a housing a crash, according to gary b. smith, the chart man. And you can take his expert opinion (because he is on TV and we aren’t) and his smile to your local agent and buy now.
AH

Comment by Novasold
2006-10-14 06:40:48

I saw that also.

All of the others on that show said it was going to be bad though.

The one factor none of them ever seems to remember is the affordability factor.

I think they have one HB story on each of the financial shows each weekend just to get people to tune in.

 
Comment by Sobay
2006-10-14 09:56:17

- “Full employement never brings a housing a crash,”

Perhaps in the 1960’s and 1970’s when there were skilled trade jobs available to the middle class, this could be true. But those relatively stable well paying jobs are now just retail positions paying $6.00 to 9.00.

A lot of low pay newbies were able to obtain suicide loans at the low end especially. They can still buy a Calif new home with zero down and initial monthly payment of 1100.00.

Comment by AE Newman
2006-10-14 17:13:50

Sobay posts ” “Full employement never brings a housing a crash”

First time for everything.

 
 
 
Comment by Paul in Jax
2006-10-14 06:38:18

Another NE Fla datum/anecdote: Cycling back through Jax Beach at the end of our morning ride, turned to one my ride partners and said, “What do you think’s gonna happen when all these condos get finished at the same time?

Him: It’s gonna be a mess. My wife’s a real estate agent.
Me: Oh, so she understands what’s going on.
Him: She has bunch of listings but nothing’s moving. And they’re all priced right.
Me: Well, they must not be priced right if they’re not moving.
Him: They’re all priced at last year’s prices. [I took this to mean that they hadn't been marked up over the Spring's prices.]
Me: Prices are at least 20-30% too high.
Him: Nobody’s going to lower their prices that much.

It’s like people understand b ut they don’t understand at the same time. So, the stalemate continues. (Also, heard him telling another rider that his wife wants a Range Rover but they’re compromising on an Escalade. Personally, I would rather my RE agent drive a sedan - even a Mercedes is OK - anything but a damn tank.)

Comment by txchick57
2006-10-14 07:06:55

Range Rovers are junk. Read any consumer pub about them. Typical all hat and no cattle mentality.

Comment by builderboy
2006-10-14 07:45:38

I agree, they are junk, from Detroit and wish Ford would sell that off.

 
Comment by asuwest2
2006-10-14 07:56:12

damned shame too, cause the original Rovers were bitchin’. Climb anything, but bf ugly.

Comment by builderboy
2006-10-14 08:06:43

I agree, the old style was cool, tuff looking.

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Comment by wp
2006-10-14 09:53:12

no matter what you call them — Range Rovers, Esplanades, Expeditions, etc. they’re nothing more than TALL station wagons.

how many people really take these types of vehicles offroad???
i bet not too many.

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Comment by David in JAX
2006-10-14 07:58:24

Even worse than Jax Beach will be the new condos on the south bank of the St. John’s river. I can understand why people would pay to live on the ocean. But, why would anyone move to crack infested downtown Jacksonville and spend $800k on a condo. It won’t happen.

 
Comment by Jas Jain
2006-10-14 08:23:38

“Me: Prices are at least 20-30% too high.”

All that proves is that the bubble has not yet burst.

Jas Jain

 
 
Comment by mrktMaven FL
2006-10-14 06:45:47

What a bunch of blustering builder hyperbole. Makes buyers all irration_naleee. Yesteryear they were screaming buy now or be priced out foreover. Today they are screaming buy now all over again with these bogus incentives. Yet, as a group their margins are still extremely fluffy, 3rd best year according to Wall Street and the NAR. I’m going to wait until their margins turn to losses and the screaming and irrationality subsides b/4 I lend a hand.

 
Comment by SeattleMoose
2006-10-14 06:47:05

That famous historical quote comes to mind…”Let them eat granite”…or was it…”Let them eat steel”…must be getting old.

 
Comment by txchick57
2006-10-14 07:15:50

This guy is just scum. He’s an investor like I’m the president of the U.S. He has a gambling problem and is still trying to scam people into bailing him out

http://iamfacingforeclosure.com/

Please don’t help him out by posting on that blog. He needs to die a quick and ugly death and fulfill his destiny as a fry cook at Mickey D’s.

Comment by jp
2006-10-14 07:40:24

I had a tough time sorting the BS from fact in that blog. Just followed the link: down to his last 1-2K? And no comments about the mythical ever-supportive wife beating him over the head with a frying pan?

The media attention is not doing that kid a service, that’s for sure.

Comment by imploder
2006-10-14 10:00:23

From Casey’s blog

“The negativity is getting to be a little too much lately. People are cussing me out, belittling me, using very vulgar language, posting inappropriate links, and basically, kicking me when I’m down. Worse yet, these “haters” are also attacking other commenters.”

Casey’s sad cause of all the “Haters”… (sniffle, sniffle, sob, sniffle)

Casey’s gone “Emo”…. Maybe he can record a song that starts out plaintive and sad…

“I thought I was so smart, I thought I would be rich
and all you lesser kind, I’d piss on in the ditch…..

End of song, of course he’s SHRIEKING….

“BUT I DON’T WANNA BE BROKE THE REST OF MY LIFE!!
I DON’T WANNA SERVE COKE, HEY, WHERE WENT MY WIFE!!!

he can put it on Youtube….. New business plan for our fair haired boy..

 
 
Comment by lefantome
2006-10-14 07:40:24

That money is probably borrowed for his legal fees.

He needs about 10 more friends ………

 
Comment by ACCROYER
2006-10-14 08:35:57

You are absolutely right, what a POS. Look at all the advertising he is getting on his blogger. I wonder how much they are paying him ..could be a whole fabricated story just to get passive income blogging.

 
Comment by imploder
2006-10-14 09:45:05

What did Mickey D’s ever do to you to wish such a thing?

I did hear that there’s an opening for Night Manager at Taco Bell in San Diego (a certain “pine boxer” has left to go get “fitted”), but Casey would probably soon get fired for stealing hot sauce packets to take home and make “soup” with.

 
Comment by crashiscomin\\\'
2006-10-14 15:23:54

I hate to say it but if this kid lied about his income to get the home loans then he needs to go to prison along with all the other thieves and liars out there who are comitting loan fraud. Moreover, he needs to be required to pay back every cent he has stolen with interest even if he has to work fast food for life. I don’t hear even one ounce of remorse in his attitude. Perhaps, when he is living on the street (or perhaps in a jail — unfortunately paid for by people who must work for a living) he will understand the magnitude of what he has done. I don’t understand why the police don’t go arrest him right now. The FBI should be at his door tomorrow and hall him off to jail along with any realtors/lenders that coaxed him into the fraud. Perhaps, those seminar leaders whose courses he attended should be investigated as well and perhaps a few appraisors.

 
 
Comment by jd
2006-10-14 07:18:15

“Delores Conway at the USC Lusk Center for Real Estate, said builders in California have gotten more creative with incentives. ‘The buyers’ expectations have changed a lot, they’re afraid of buying at the high point of the market, so they feel it’s to their advantage to just sit and wait,’ she said.”

Yep, “…just sit and wait…”, it sure is a great way to save money these days.

It doesn’t take a whole lot of energy nor does it create a lot of worry…

Comment by Jas Jain
2006-10-14 08:27:25

The advantage goes to the real patient ones. This time around that would mean “just sit and wait” for years, if not a decade or more.

Jas Jain

Comment by imploder
2006-10-14 10:23:27

Jas,

Sometimes, when I add up the overall cumulative effect this credit implosion will have, I come to the same gloomy conclusion. Which depresses me because here in my home town (West Los Angeles) the rental stock is either abysmal, expensive, or both. 5+ years of renting substandard places to defend myself financially, is starting to feel like a “poison pill” strategy, and a bitter one to swallow.

I’d move, if all of the work I do wasn’t here.

Comment by tj & the bear
2006-10-14 21:53:26

Imploder,

We just signed another year’s lease here in the Hollywood Hills. Although I highly doubt next year will be the time to buy, I do expect to see the rental market improve substantially — i.e., better places cheaper — come 2007. Patience!

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Comment by pismobear
2006-10-14 09:33:25

Do the math. If your salary is $6000 per mo/gross and you are thinking of buying a $600 k house in my area, if you wait with prices going down 1/2% to 1% per mo you are picking up $3 k to $6k per mo. I’m not considering the loss of tax advantage only cash on cash. Wait 2 years , buy at $480 k or lower. Down she goes, where she stops no body knows.

 
 
Comment by GetStucco
2006-10-14 07:46:29

“Large home builders are dangling out more incentives to reluctant buyers as the roof caves in on the U.S. housing market.”

Could this be the new moniker?! “It’s not a buyer’s market — it’s a caving market.”

From Merriam-Webster Online:

3 entries found for caving.

Main Entry: cave
Pronunciation: ‘kAv
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): caved; cav·ing
Etymology: probably alteration of calve
intransitive verb
1 : to fall in or down especially from being undermined — usually used with in
2 : to cease to resist : SUBMIT — usually used with in
transitive verb : to cause to fall or collapse — usually used with in

 
Comment by death_spiral
2006-10-14 08:51:07

TAKE YOUR FU#KIN HONDA AND SHOVE IT, STUPID! JUST LOWER THE GD PRICE! WE KNOW YOUR JUST TRYING TO KEEP THE COMPS UP SO THE PREVIOUS BUYERS WON’T STORM THE CASTLE. YOU’RE NOT FOOLING ANYBODY, JAGOFF!

Comment by imploder
2006-10-14 10:46:36

Couldn’t of said it better…..

 
 
Comment by Betamax
2006-10-14 09:13:04

Why are they [buyers] out of the market? Because they can’t contract to buy a home today and resell it for 15% or 20% more.

And so it ends.

 
Comment by lainvestorgirl
2006-10-14 09:19:34

The Wall Street Journal. “The current housing slump is making remodeling a kitchen or bathroom or adding an addition easier and cheaper. Sluggish home-building demand is pushing down the cost of construction materials (prices for lumber are near their lowest level in a decade) and spurring contractors to take on smaller projects, and sometimes cut fees.”

Haha, I love this. I’ve been trying to do a two bed, one bath addition, and I’ve been quoted anywhere from 500,000 to 800,000 by local contractors who arrogantly tell me they are busy with other jobs. And architects around here want 50,000 to 100,000 just to draw up the plans, get approvals and look in on the building every so often.

Let’s see how much these people will be quoting me in a year when they’re sh%t out of work.

Comment by lainvestorgirl
2006-10-14 09:21:07

Upstairs addition, that is.

 
Comment by death_spiral
2006-10-14 20:37:35

absurd prices…tell ‘em to FO!! These schmucks will be begging for work soon.

 
 
Comment by homelessbubbleboy
2006-10-14 11:01:03

just heard on the radio…some homebuilder paying for 6 months mortgage on the new house..or if you can not sell your old one then on the old house

 
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