October 21, 2006

Bits Bucket And Craigslist Finds For October 21, 2006

Please post off-topic ideas, links and Craigslist finds here.




RSS feed | Trackback URI

67 Comments »

Comment by jmf
2006-10-21 04:08:04

private equity / excess! business week cover story

feels like its 1999 ……

http://immobilienblasen.blogspot.com/

have a nice weekend

Comment by goedeck
2006-10-21 10:09:17

2006 party over out of time

S0 tonight I’m gonna pary like its 1999

 
 
Comment by txchick57
Comment by jmf
2006-10-21 04:33:14

calm down.

the story from bw is very long. i´ve made a summary.

Comment by House Inspector Clouseau
2006-10-21 04:51:27

Hey you two, stop arguing! I like ya both!

Tx: thanks for the links the other day. I am opening a thinkorswim account to start playing. Not with money yet… and no, never gonna be a daytrader so you don’t have to worry about my awesome intellect in competition with you!!! ROFL. (you’d rob me till I was naked and bleeding)

Comment by txchick57
2006-10-21 05:13:32

Daytrading options is even harder but I do it when it makes sense.

(Comments wont nest below this level)
Comment by Bill
2006-10-21 05:37:21

Two problems make day trading in options a good idea only under very special situations. The shorter the trade, the bigger the delta should be. The delta of an at-the-money option is 0.5, while the delta of owning stock is 1.0. A second problem is that bid ask for options is much worse, especially on a percentage basis, than for stocks. There are some good possibilities for big moves in options when earnings are very close to expiration, like last week. Otherwise, short term options are on a scale of a few weeks, not something to buy in the morning and sell in the afternoon.

 
Comment by House Inspector Clouseau
2006-10-21 05:58:17

Agreed.

I am considering using options in the future more as a hedging device, not as a get rich quick method.

And also, not too interested in short term options. It would be more “longer term” stuff… like buying an out of the money put dated a year out…

I’ve played around with this in my head and with spreadsheets over the last 6 months… and overall would have done ok, but would have lagged the market after expenses/fees. (in other words, an index would have been better!) I also had a separate “wish” list of puts on HomeBuilders that would have been killed. A good lesson, even though I had no teeth in the game.

But I won’t do anything real until I’ve played around for at least a year, do some more research, and understand fully what I’m getting into.

I have some of the academic knowledge, but not the practice.

Simply a way to keep diversifying. I’m already in Stocks, bonds, int’l stocks, TBills and TNotes, Gold, SIlver, cash (ING/EmigrantDirect/HSBC high rate savings accts)

 
 
Comment by the hun
2006-10-21 06:56:15

“I like you both”

I appreciate both of your inputs, too. No bickering.

(Comments wont nest below this level)
 
 
 
 
Comment by Jas Jain
2006-10-21 04:21:22

October 21, 2006

Note: Herein is an explanation of most of America’s problem,. The two biggest bubbles of their kind, over a dozen years, INCLUDING THE HOUSING BUBBLE, THE SUBJECT OF THIS BLOG, were not results of isolated events but were systemic in nature. The root cause lies where no one would dare to look – the political system. If more and more Americans have been behaving stupidly, there is a very good reason as to why. Read on.

The “Democracy In America” Has delivered!

The Congress, the representatives of the people, was meant to be the most powerful body as per the original Constitution of the United States. Percentage of Americans who approve and disapprove of their Congress:

Approve 16%
Disapprove 75%

I would guess that even Hitler’s approval rating didn’t fall to that level in late 1944 when Germans had suffered a lot. I doubt that Saddam Hussein had an approval rating this low.

One American blind faithful taunts me by saying that if you don’t like the Crooks, political or corporate, you can throw the rascals out with a vote. And replace with worse rascals?! The “elected” keep getting worse and worse over time, because they are mostly selected by Crooks and not really elected.

The American democracy has delivered!

And what % of Americans DISAPPROVE of the President who was re-elected? 57%.

The American democracy has delivered!

What % of Americans can name their Representative? And what % can name both the Senators of their state? Lot lower than the % that vote. This proves that most Americans don’t care who their political representatives are. No?

Once again, the American democracy has delivered!

The best book even written about America and **Americans** as well as on the subject of democracy was written by one of my dozen or so intellectual mentors – Alexis de Tocqueville – and its title is Democracy In America.

The political genius foresaw that American democracy would take the form of a certain form of despotism. Just to make sure, he described it in details and lo-and-behold that is the characterization of what exists today. What is more, he concluded that this form of democracy would turn people into dupes! (No, he didn’t use the term dupes, but that is what it amounts to from the description, see below). Actually, I keep getting more and more converts to my observation that Americans have turned into fat and lazy dupes. Physically, Americans may be fat and lazy but intellectually they are at least ten times as fat and lazy as they are physically (so much garbage in their heads in the areas of economics, investments and politics that the head is dysfunctional). Here are some excerpts (with my exclamation marks) that support the conclusion that American style democracy turns people into dupes:

Chapter title: What Sort Of Despotism Democratic Nations Have To Fear

“…Above this race of men stands an immense and tutelary power, which takes upon itself alone to secure their gratifications, and to watch over their fate. That power is absolute, minute, regular, provident, and mild. It would be like the authority of a parent, if, like that authority, its object was to prepare men for manhood; but it seeks on the contrary to keep them in perpetual childhood [!!!!!!!]: it is well content that the people should rejoice, provided they think of nothing but rejoicing. For their happiness such a government willingly labors, but it chooses to be the sole agent and the only arbiter of that happiness: it provides for their security, foresees and supplies their necessities, facilitates their pleasures, manages their principal concerns, directs their industry, regulates the descent of property, and subdivides their inheritances – what remains, but to spare them all the care of thinking [!!!!!!] and all the trouble of living? Thus it every day renders the exercise of the free agency of man less useful and less frequent; it circumscribes the will within a narrower range, and gradually robs a man of all the uses of himself [!!!!!!]. The principle of equality has prepared men for these things: it has predisposed men to endure them, and oftentimes to look on them as benefits [!!!!!!!!].”

“After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp, and fashioned them at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a net-work of small complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided: men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting: such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people [!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!], till each nation is reduced to be nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd. I have always thought that servitude of the regular, quiet, and gentle kind which I have just described, might be combined more easily than is commonly believed with some of the outward forms of freedom; and that it might even establish itself under the wing of the sovereignty of the people. Our contemporaries are constantly excited by two conflicting passions; they want to be led, and they wish to remain free: as they cannot destroy either one or the other of these contrary propensities, they strive to satisfy them both at once. They devise a sole, tutelary, and all-powerful form of government, but elected by the people. They combine the principle of centralization and that of popular sovereignty; this gives them a respite; they console themselves for being in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own guardians. Every man allows himself to be put in leading-strings, because he sees that it is not a person or a class of persons, but the people at large that holds the end of his chain. By this system the people shake off their state of dependence just long enough to select their master, and then relapse into it again. A great many persons at the present day are quite contented with this sort of compromise between administrative despotism and the sovereignty of the people; and they think they have done enough for the protection of individual freedom when they have surrendered it to the power of the nation at large. This does not satisfy me: the nature of him I am to obey signifies less to me than the fact of extorted obedience.”

And Americans want to export democracy by use of force?

That is because American Dupes want everyone to be a dupe so that they don’t have to feel bad!

American system needs to collapse for the good of Americans and the rest of the world. And it WILL because Bankrupters and Fraudsters of New York City have laid the foundations for the collapse with more than half the American households to find themselves bankrupt or with the loss of their homes within the next five years. Only Dupes could have failed to see the evil nature of the Debt Pushers. Americans have been warned against the Bankers and the Moneychangers time and again, but Dupes have no need to even learn that. A dupe simply knows, like what is there to study about democracy because it is the best system. That is how blind faith never ceases to lead to doping and misery. One such blind faithful tell me that reading books on the subject of democracy is the most ridiculous thing that he ever heard of. Existence of God can be debated but not the inherent goodness of democracy.

So, if you come across lot of dupes in America, now you know the source. In my read of American history, every successive generation of Americans has been more stupid than the preceding one and now we have come to the end of that rope. The cumulative stupefaction can be best measured by the gap between the two George W’s. To add injury to the insult, the population now is more than one hundred fold.

When Americans talk about, or complain about, problems they miss the Big Elephant in the room – Their Royal Highnesses, aka American People. Democracy allows a population of dupes to blame some one else, e.g., politicians. As one American dupe likes to say, “I love democracy but I hate politicians.” Another dupe loves the ‘rule of law” but hates lawyers. LMAO. And don’t try to teach a dupe what a contradiction is.

Jas

PS: Information is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom. Propagandists provide most of the information on economics, investments and politics. Most people confuse training with education. Americans are well-trained, but they are well-trained dupes for sure.

Comment by crash1
2006-10-21 07:49:57

Jas, I have this feeling the tide is going out for our political system. I’m sure if I’m just paying more attention or if I’m hearing more people talk about it. I’m also not a big Glen Beck fan, but I do agree with him when he says more people are saying to their failed government “I have no faith in you. I want my representation back”.

Comment by Brooklynite
2006-10-21 08:16:10

For the record, Glenn Beck is a douchebag.

 
 
Comment by Chip
2006-10-21 08:22:53

I side with Charley Reese. From his article today:

“People so ignorant they couldn’t tell you the name of their state capital should not be allowed to vote.”

Comment by crash1
2006-10-21 09:24:07

Ever watch Jay Leno stop people out on the street and ask them who the vice president is, or who the house speaker is? One of my co-workers mentioned to me she intends to vote for one of our local candidates because she dresses nicely. She knows nothing more about her. Perhaps Glen Beck is right, some people shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Phoenix
2006-10-21 09:29:15

I agree with most of what you are saying Jas. I will repeat one of your statements here because it’s a good one:

“Americans have turned into fat and lazy dupes. Physically, Americans may be fat and lazy but intellectually they are at least ten times as fat and lazy as they are physically (so much garbage in their heads in the areas of economics, investments and politics that the head is dysfunctional). ”

Americans don’t want this fixed either.

Comment by Jas Jain
2006-10-21 09:37:47


Thanks for your encouragement.

I hope that you paid lot more attention to what the true genius had to say 170 years ago than my conclusions. Every sentence in the quotes should be read several times to grasp the magnitude of the problem that faces America.

Jas Jain

Comment by Bill in Phoenix
2006-10-21 11:48:16

Jas,
I read that in various themes from various other sources. Inevitably, they too, quoted Tocqueville.

We see the problem, but my point is no one wants the solution. Not even the regular posters on this blog want this problem solved. We are too deep and it will take a couple of generations of education to cure it. It will require a focus on youth and an end to “me first” attitudes among parents. But I don’t see that happening. Two SUVs, a boat, and a plasma TV, two incomes, and no time or desire to spend time teaching junior history. America is done.

(Comments wont nest below this level)
Comment by crash1
2006-10-21 14:51:52

Not even the regular posters on this blog want this problem solved.

Wrong, Bill. I have no boat, plasma TV, or SUV. I have one income which is just enough for my needs. I live in a 1,000 square foot home, within my means and I want everybody else to do the same. There’s not much I can do by myself to fix much of anything. I’m just another Joe on a blog. I mentioned Glen Beck in an earlier post. He’s no genius, but he’s willing to go on national TV and talk about some of the same things I feel strongly about like political corruption, greed, national security. Guaranteed he has a bigger audience than I do. So in the meantime I’ll just keep voicing an opinion and hope all kinds of things can get fixed before it’s too late. I’m personally willing to take the “cure” no matter how bad it is.

 
 
 
Comment by pismobear
2006-10-21 10:21:35

The minute they started the MTV station I knew it was over. Then cage fighting, then LOST, then Dancing with the Stars. We are through.

 
 
Comment by wittbelle
2006-10-21 11:42:11

Speaking of democracy in turmoil and in honor of the Mark Foley scandal, I made this awesome music video with a Village people cameo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9MFogiUPOw

Comment by GetStucco
2006-10-22 06:43:05

That one is going to chew up a lot of bandwidth on liberal cable modem connections…

 
 
Comment by Jas Jain
2006-10-22 07:32:41


FWC: “it makes you wonder if democracy is a failed experiment”

Democratic faithful are particularly ignorant of history, because if they weren’t they would know that democracy has been a failed experiment numerous times in the past and it would be a failed experiment few hundred years from now when the next generation of democratic enthusiasts have forgotten the failure of current democracies, led by America. Yeah, yeah, our democracy is so much better. And I am Pat Manning (the best football quarterback in America). The modern democracies were a reaction to the existing orders and there is soon going to be reactions to failed democracies. Over time, all political systems meet the same fate – they get replaced by a different system.

If the US Congress is bad (with approval rating of 16%), the Executive Branch is much worse and the Judiciary is as political as ever. Americans are screwed; they just don’t like to admit it. Denial is the most common emotion among Americans these days.

Blind faith is a necessity for Americans because they have become experts at ignoring the problems associated with their political system. A dupe is one who becomes expert at ignoring problems no mater how they keep on mounting and maintains faith. American political system is beyond repair and evolution. There are times when a car is best junked rather than pouring money into a sinkhole. I am sure that all you “I just want to make money” people understand the consequences of the collapse of the failing American political system. It will make Housing Bubble bust look like a picnic in the park.

Could it be that democracy is not best suited to Human Nature?

Jas

-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-

“”The 109th Congress is so bad that it makes you wonder if democracy is a failed experiment,” says Jonathan Turley, a noted constitutional scholar and the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington Law School. “I think that if the Framers went to Capitol Hill today, it would shake their confidence in the system they created. Congress has become an exercise of raw power with no principles — and in that environment corruption has flourished. The Republicans in Congress decided from the outset that their future would be inextricably tied to George Bush and his policies. It has become this sad session of members sitting down and drinking Kool-Aid delivered by Karl Rove. Congress became a mere extension of the White House.”

“The end result is a Congress that has hijacked the national treasury, frantically ceded power to the executive, and sold off the federal government in a private auction. It all happened before our very eyes.”

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/12055360/cover_story_time_to_go_inside_the_worst_congress_ever

 
 
Comment by flatffplan
2006-10-21 04:51:11

what’s your local paper saying ?
WAPO is all happy talk
builders are their only hope

 
Comment by P'cola Popper
2006-10-21 05:04:10

Clownifornian flipper trying to rent out his crappy boat dock in P’cola to meet his monthly nut.

http://pensacola.craigslist.org/boa/216306412.html

Comment by GetStucco
2006-10-21 05:06:16

“Private party in California (Pleae remember time difference in CA- 2 hours behind you in Pensacola. Thanks - Robert ”

Cote???!

Comment by Robert Coté
2006-10-21 05:41:10

Snigger. No, tho this isn’t very far from my brother. I’m outta any RE except private use. Things won’t ever get so bad that you’ll see me on CL. Well, unless “flipping” Beemers and Benz bought from floppers and reselling to people desperate for “Jones Equivalent Points” counts. Gawd, boat dock rental. We know where that comes from; insurance trap. My mom is “lucky.” The kind of luck that runs in some segments of society. She self-insures her properties. Low basis, inexpensive structures a bond that pays interest and the likelyhood of assistance were the damage so big hers were affected anyway. [Time difference; lately my postshave be taking hours to appear, let'shope this improves.]

 
 
Comment by lars39
2006-10-21 06:00:51

Glad to know what “p’cola” means

 
 
Comment by Apocalypso
2006-10-21 05:15:03

NYC tidbit…

http://therealestate.observer.com/2006/10/robert-deniros-209-million-bargain.html

“Earlier this month, The Post reported that Ms. Eve Weinstein (ex-wife to mogul Harvey) had sold her renovated 15-room apartment at 88 Central Park West.

[It] had an asking price of $25 million since it was first listed last February. But sources tell us it went to contract for somewhere closer to $23 million.
According to city records filed this morning, though, Mr. DeNiro did even better–his purchase price was actually $20,900,000.

Ms. Weinstein, meanwhile, is happily ensconced in her new full-floor co-op at 1133 Fifth Avenue. And she only paid $10.4 million!

Bargains for everyone.”

 
Comment by P'cola Popper
2006-10-21 05:16:56

Confirmed GF in the family…sister and her husband purchased a house in Kelly Plantation, Destin, Florida despite my best efforts. The closing price was 21% off a revised list price which is probably good feedback for the blog. They are still looking at a sizeable drop in the future in my opinion. Another one bites the dust.

http://kellyplantation.com/index.asp

Comment by txchick57
2006-10-21 05:24:50

I have fond memories of Pensacola, Panama City and Destin from kid-hood. I suppose they are totally ruined now. Does P-City still have those beautiful white sand beaches?

Comment by P'cola Popper
2006-10-21 06:20:24

The farthest east along 98 I have been from Pensacola is Destin. Never made it to Panama City. I imagine that Panama City is solid wall to wall condos along the Gulf but between the wall of concrete and the Gulf the sand is still sugar white.

Pensacola Beach is the most undeveloped of the three areas you mentioned and the most “like how it used to be” I guess. P’cola Beach needs another two years to recover from Ivan in my opinion.

Although not a big fan of Destin in the past I had a great time there this past summer and would favor buying a place in Destin on the Intracoastal vs. Pensacola Beach. Destin has much cleaner water and is more ‘boater” oriented.

 
 
Comment by Chip
2006-10-21 08:26:43

At least those homes are “masterpieces.”

 
Comment by mrktMaven FL
2006-10-21 09:28:38

Sorry bud…I know the feeling.

 
 
Comment by GetStucco
2006-10-21 05:29:15

Whazzup with the Treasury bond market?
————————————————————————————————
WSJ 10/21-22/06 p. B5

Treasury Trading Will Get Scrutiny

New York Fed Summons Primary Bond Dealers To Discuss Market Influence

By Serena Ng and Greg Ip

Officials from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York have summoned Wall Street’s biggest bond dealers to discuss regulators’ concerns about a rise in questionable trading practices in the giant market for U.S. Treasury securities.

The New York Fed requested that each of the 22 “primary dealers” bring a compliance officer and a head of trading to a meeting on Nov. 6, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Last month, the Treasury Department told bond dealers it had observed a rise in suspicious trading that it said distorted prices in the markets for Treasury securities over the past two years. These weren’t limited to the cash-bond market, and included the overnight-repurchase and futures markets for Treasuries.

James Clouse, the Treasury Department’s deputy assistant secretary for federal finance, said in a speech that there were times when some firms gained control over certain Treasury issues that were in high demand in these markets, “and seemed to use that market power to their advantage.”

By buying up most of the available supply of certain bonds, some firms prevented other investors from getting hold of securities they needed, or forced them to pay high prices for the bonds in what is known as a “squeeze.” Mr. Clouse didn’t identify any culprits, but said the SEC and the CFTC were pursuing cases in this area.

Another person familiar with the meeting said Mr. Clouse’s speech left some dealers with questions, and the Nov. 6 meeting is meant to help the dealers, the Fed and Treasury conider how to handle the problems.

A spokeswoman for the New York Fed said, “We hold periodic meetings with our primary dealers as part of our regular interactions to discuss issues of interest, and this meeting is one of them.” A representative of the U.S. Treasury referred questions to the Fed.

Regulators are conerned about activities that could potentially harm the integrity of the $4 trillion market for Treasury bonds. The Treasury bond market has had a history of turmoil tied to suspicious trading. Salomon Brothers nearly collapsed in 1991 after it acknowledged making improper bids at Treasury note auctions in an effort to gain control of some sought-after Treasury issues.

News of the meeting was first reported by Reuters late Friday.

Comment by Chip
2006-10-21 11:21:39

Now that’s the first time I’ve ever seen two last names (the writers) used together that have a grand total of four characters. They could marry and still have extra room on their custom tag.

 
 
Comment by GetStucco
2006-10-21 05:36:59

17,300 people hired in California last month

Strong growth found in temporary work

By Dean Calbreath
STAFF WRITER

October 21, 2006

California employers added 17,300 workers to their payrolls last month, with some of the strongest growth coming in temporary jobs, according to data released yesterday by the state Employment Development Department.

Economists say that although job growth has slowed over the past few months – dragged down by weakness in the real estate market – hiring continues at a mild but steady pace.

“It seems like the state economy has got pretty good momentum,” said Keitaro Matsuda, economist at Union Bank. “We used to get pretty good tailwinds from the housing sector, which isn’t happening right now. But fortunately, hiring in the service sector is continuing.”

Esmael Adibi, an economist at Chapman University in Orange, warns that job growth is slowing nationwide. And California’s job growth is beginning to dip below the national pace.

“In January, the state’s year-to-year growth rate was 2.0 percent, compared to 1.6 for the nation,” he said. “Now the nation has slowed to 1.3 percent, and the state has dropped to 1.2 percent.”

Adibi predicts that California will continue to perform worse than the rest of the country because of the state economy’s close ties to the softening housing market.

“Construction is basically flat year over year and financial activities are up just 1.3 percent, which will soon turn to zero,” Adibi said. “We will be much weaker going into 2007.”

Over the past year, construction companies added only 800 jobs statewide – a 0.1 percent increase. That marks a sharp turnaround for an industry that was one of the state’s key engines for employment growth.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20061021/news_1b21jobs.html

Comment by flatffplan
2006-10-21 06:09:52

RE will go to retail etc so they can eat= higher w2 employment results
going from 100k to 22k isn’t fun

Comment by fiat lux
2006-10-21 09:56:33

A retail store manager can make 35-45K without too much difficulty. I ought to know; that’s what I did for a while after the dotcom implosion.

It ain’t 100K but it’s a living wage.

Comment by GetStucco
2006-10-22 06:45:28

It ain’t a wage that helps you keep making the mortgage payments on an $800K McMansion, either.

(Comments wont nest below this level)
 
 
 
Comment by Neil
2006-10-21 08:05:34

This report is scary in a way. Right now construction employment is high as builders are scrambling to complete properties ASAP. I’ve never seen so many accelerated projects!

And new townhome projects are starting locally here (South bay, LA). Crazy!

I make no predictions until 2Q 2007, but then even Willie E Coyote will know the floor has fallen out.

Neil

Comment by peter m
2006-10-21 09:28:40

And then there is the LA Dwtn Construction frenzy. The 100 unit Verodwtnla condo/loft project at 1234 wilshire blvd is picking up speed. A block to the east on bixel and wilshire Two stacked condo complexes also rushng to completion. The recently completed Medici apt units at 727 s. bixel are located right at bixel entrance to the southbound on-ramp 110 fwy: brilliant siting from the Dwtn RE wizards.
Another LA Dwtn area of massive condo/apt development is along flower/grand ave between 8th south to almost the 10 fwy. Evo-South.com at 11th and grand is one example. There is some actual reasoning layed out in the dwtn LA planners minds(Plans within plans). The Metro Blue line snakes up flower ave and intersects the 7th Street Metro Station, which is the main underground LADntn central station linking up several metro lines.
All the planned and completed dwtn condo/apt projects along Grand/flower ave are aimed at providing housing near public transportation lines.
Over the next several years at least 20 new large mid-rise to tall condo towers will be in place just in this part of dwtn. For reference purposes they would be situated several blocks north/northeast of Staples Center.

 
 
Comment by winjr
2006-10-21 15:22:24

“California employers added 17,300 workers to their payrolls last month, with some of the strongest growth coming in temporary jobs”

Interesting, since the overall U.S. jobs report for that month highlighted a drop in temp employment.

 
 
Comment by Buyin After the Cryin
2006-10-21 05:37:03

RALEIGH - At 43 stories, the Soleil Center will be the tallest building in the Triangle and a regional architectural icon with its modern glass and steel design.
If it gets built.

Nearly a year after City Council approval, the $140 million tower is still in the design stage, NONE of the expensive condominiums needed to finance the project have been sold…….

So far, 160 people have expressed interest but no condos have been sold and only three people have put down $5,000 reservation fees.

http://www.newsobserver.com/104/story/500726.html

Comment by Buyin After the Cryin
 
 
Comment by House Inspector Clouseau
2006-10-21 06:03:40

I just had an idea!

what if the realtors (TM) were right? What if everybody IS priced out forever?

This would certainly explain the lack of sales of late.

If they were correct, however, it is a sad day for them… since there will never be another sales transaction again.

Comment by Gekko
2006-10-21 06:29:29

>If they were correct, however, it is a sad day for them… since there will never be another sales transaction again.

not really. current owners could all just keep swapping spit.

 
Comment by P'cola Popper
2006-10-21 06:33:50

I agree with you HIC until Alexander or Mr. Foreclosure arrives to cut the Gordian Knot that exists between the population “priced out forever” and the population “priced in forever”.

 
Comment by az_lender
2006-10-21 06:35:29

Bingo, Clouseau !! You are a truly great detective.

 
 
Comment by Chrisinpnw
2006-10-21 06:30:14

Mish has a follow up to his “1000 donuts” article early this week. Well worth the read………….

http://www.whiskeyandgunpowder.com/Archives/2006/20061019.html

Comment by Housing Wizard
2006-10-21 07:26:16

Enjoyed the article .

 
Comment by Chip
2006-10-21 08:37:42

Good stuff. Mish’s direct link:

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/

Seems right that Mish gets the ad clicks for his own story.

Comment by mrktMaven FL
2006-10-21 10:00:20

Some of those FSellers are going wish an easy button existed.

 
 
 
Comment by ocrenter
2006-10-21 06:46:56

new % reduced listings numbers are out, see at Bubble Markets Inventory Tracking

Comment by Chip
2006-10-21 11:25:24

OCRenter — did you change something re the color or background on your site? I’m using plain vanilla Firefox and can’t read the text — there is a dark brownish background and small-font print in dark blue — unreadable.

 
 
Comment by DAVID
2006-10-21 08:32:31

Cute house on a quiet street in the Med center area in Sacramento, CA.

Do not let this little cute house fool you. It is located in North Oak Park, which is part of Oak Park. This is one of Sacramento’s most crime infested neighborhoods.

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/rfs/223562639.html
Here is a three month summary of crimes reported in this area. Just three short months.

Sacramento Police reported crimes in this North Oak Park Neighborhood between 7/01/06 to 9/30/06
http://gis.cityofsacramento.org/website/sacpd/

12 Aggravated Assaults
16 Residential Burglaries
10 Robberies
10 Simple Assaults
49 Narcotic Crimes
20 Auto Thefts
13 Vandalisms

On the bright side there was only one weapons violation.

Comment by Chip
2006-10-21 11:27:35

Innovative — looks like a cabinet-free kitchen. Perhaps they kept getting torn up during searches.

 
Comment by CA renter
2006-10-22 01:40:08

That’s too bad about the crime. The house really is cute, though.

 
 
Comment by txchick57
2006-10-21 09:03:32

Since it’s state fair time, anyone for some fried Coke? As the stomach churns . . .

http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2006/10/20/fried-coke-underscores-how-far-from-healthy-coca-cola-is/

Comment by CA renter
2006-10-22 01:41:50

That’s just gross…

 
 
Comment by DAVID
2006-10-21 09:44:22

ALL FIRST TIME HOMEBUYERS BEFORE YOU BUY PLEASE GO TO THE SACRAMENO POLICE WEBSITE AND USE THEIR SEARCH TOOL FOR CRIMES REPORTED NEAR THE HOUSE YOU ARE LOOKING AT. YOU WILL BE SUPRISED!!!! IT ONLY TAKES A SECOND AND IS VERY INFORMATIVE. IF YOU BUY IN ONE OF THESE CRIME INFESTED AREAS AS MARKET PRICES ARE GOING FURTHER AND FURTHER DOWN, YOU WILL BE STUCK IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS CRIME INFESTED AND YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO SELL YOUR HOUSE TO GET OUT!!!!!!

DO NOT LET SOME REALTOR WHORE TRY TO TELL YOU SOME AREAS ARE GOOD WHEN THEY ARE NOT. ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS THE COMMISSION.

Comment by rms
2006-10-21 21:53:48

Why are you shouting?

 
 
Comment by Tango in Uniform
2006-10-21 09:53:38

Stats from Gallatin Valley, Montana

These are very small markets near Bozeman (somewhat agreed upon as Most Bubbly in the Northern Rockies), so figures are subject to skewing. Especially Manhattan (small town of 1,500) and Big Sky (major ski resort village). But the figures are startling for September:

Manhattan
2005 Median Sale Price: $397,250
2006 Median Sale Price: $269,900
Change: -32%

Big Sky
2005 Median: $535,000
2006 Median: $255,000
Change: -52%

Livingston
September 2006 Asking Price: 210,000
September 2006 Selling Price: 196,000

 
Comment by arlingtonva
2006-10-21 10:26:34

Great read - Closing Cost Scams:
http://biz.yahoo.com/weekend/costscam_1.html

Is the average pretax closing fees about .7% of loan amounts?

What is the average for
cost of closing/cost of house: .7%?

 
Comment by Seattle Renter
2006-10-21 13:18:38

You know what really sucks about this whole thing, is that ther is a good chance the Democrats will re-take congress just in time for things to implode. The people might just be stupid enough on the whole to think that it is their fault a la “post hoc ergo propter hoc” line of reasoning.

It will be “all the Democrats fault.” After all, everything was great until they came along.

I know this isn’t a political blog, so sorry if this is a threadjack, it’s just that I smell a rat.

Since the same greedy @ssh0les pay off(read: campaign contributions, soft monet, etc) BOTH major parties, I have to call shenanigans on the whole thing. Jas’ comments pretty apropos IMHO.

Comment by ajh
2006-10-21 21:50:33

If I were the Democrat equivalent of Karl Rove (says ajh, posting from far outside the US), I’d be hoping to win these midterm elections, but not quite by enough to control either house. I’d definitely hate to finish up with small majorities in both houses, because you would then get blamed for any implosion.

Comment by CA renter
2006-10-22 01:45:26

Tin foil hat time, but I think the Dems put John Kerry up in ‘04 because they knew he wouldn’t win (not very likeable, and we know Americans are about wanting fuzzy, feel-good politicians). If I were in charge of either party right now, I’d be trying to throw the vote. Just MHO. :)

 
 
 
Comment by jmunnie
2006-10-21 13:35:44

The bear is in your house

“The real estate slump changes how you should look at your biggest asset - and the rest of your portfolio”

 
Name (required)
E-mail (required - never shown publicly)
URI
Your Comment (smaller size | larger size)
You may use <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong> in your comment.

Trackback responses to this post