November 1, 2006

“Telling Market Indicators” In Virginia

The Loudoun Times Community reports from Virginia. “In another sign of the slowing residential housing market and mirroring a national trend, Loudoun builders reported 15 percent of new-home contracts were canceled last month. In September 2005, 2.4 percent were canceled, according to research conducted by Hanley Wood. The January-to-September period in 2006 shows about five times as many cancellations in Loudoun than the same period in 2005.”

“‘A lot of the cancellations we are seeing are people who can’t make the financial equation work,’ said Jonathan Dienhart at Hanley Wood. Many home buyers may have not been able to sell their previous homes, he said, and therefore don’t have the cash to carry out the sale of the new house.”

“Depending on the type of contract the builder used, home buyers can expect to lose part or all of their deposit when they back out of contracts. In the Washington market as whole, cancellation rates have tripled in the past year, to 17 percent, said Dienhart.”

“According to Laura Hampton, communications director at the Northern Virginia Building Industry Association, builders are using a whole range of incentives to keep home buyers to their contracts.”

From Style Weekly. “Richmond’s skyline looks stunning from the future second-floor terrace of Rocketts Landing’s Skyline condo project. The city’s evening glow, however, owes little to the recent influx of downtown condos.”

“The irony seems lost on a crowd of future residents of the latest riverfront condo development: If the market is so attractive, where are the flickering living-room lights? Is it bedtime already at these much-touted projects? Or is lights-out a telling market indicator?”

“‘We’ve seen a lot of — quote, investor sales, unquote,’ says Sam Worley, partner at real estate brokerage firm Commonwealth Commercial Partners. Richmond’s quick-selling condo projects can be misleading. In many of the projects, the condos were first sold to investors who bought into a hot real estate market pre-construction, and wound up in the cold after the sawdust cleared. Nationally, Worley says, the condo market has ‘dried up.’”

“‘A lot of that was because of the investor coming in on the pre-sale and never intending to move in, and hoping he could flip out,’ Worley says, expecting that some of the same might be said — though to a far lesser extent — for certain segments of the Richmond condo market. ‘If you go down [to Riverside on the James] at night … count how many lights you see in those projects.’”

“Dr. Steve Booth and his wife, nearly bought into a riverside condo project, Vistas on the James in Manchester, Lynn Booth says. ‘But when we went to buy over there, well, there was a lot to buy.’”

“They say they pulled out of their Vistas contract-signing at the 11th hour. There was little substance to buy into, the pair thought, concluding that the project just seemed more focused on the investor and less on the prospective resident.”

“Some experts estimate that as many as 5,000 condo or townhouse construction starts are planned or in the pipeline locally. The Richmond market typically absorbs only about 1,000 condo and townhouse units each year, meaning the potential for a surplus that could last four to five years. ‘But the problem is we have only a temporary oversupply,’ says developer Robin Miller. ‘I don’t think prices are going to go down.’”

“Some builders were willing to take the risk and rush into the market knowing their condos eventually would sell, even if they couldn’t take advantage of the brisk selling spree of the last two years.”

”I don’t see where [builders] could have expected it to keep going at the 2005 level,” analyst Tom Tyler says, speculating that many builders may have worn rose-colored glasses during the recent building boom, but few wore blinders. ‘I would expect that they would have had some contingency there.’”

From Leesburg Today. “The local housing market’s double-digit declines in sales and volume are taking its toll on area banks, and research analysts who track banks in the region and the rest of the country are seeing the trend affect the bottom line at some institutions.”

“In Loudoun, the latest housing figures to date indicate a 38 percent year-to-year decline for August in residential building permits, according to information from county agencies.”

“For home resales, the number fell 41 percent in September from a year ago compared with 650 in September 2005, according to the Dulles Area Association of Realtors.”

“‘This is one of the most difficult periods that banks have experienced in at least five years and probably 10 years, it’s been a very long time since we’ve had a period where the earnings outlook has looked so unfavorable,’ said James Abbott, a research analyst with Friedman Billings Ramsey.”

“‘Virginia Beach has also been experiencing somewhat of a slowdown, more so than Raleigh, but less so than the Northern Virginia area,’ said Megan Malanga, with Ryan Beck & Co.”

“Abbott noted that the housing slowdown and its effect on construction lending is just one factor contributing to the banking industry’s current issues, pointing to interest rates as another influence. ‘It’s not just the level of one particular interest rate but the level of all interest rates are flat or inverted. The short-term rates are higher than long-term rates, and banking doesn’t work in that environment,’ he said.”

“‘Many, many banks are missing Wall Street consensus earnings estimates, and by a wide margin-substantial misses, not just a penny or so, but three, four, five cents a share-and then the outlook is substantially reduced for each of these companies,’ Abbott said.”

From the Examiner. “As the housing market continues to slow in the Washington region and across the country, the number of real estate agents leaving the field is expected to grow, said industry officials.”

“There are currently more than 26,000 agents in the area, according to combined membership numbers from the Greater Capital and Northern Virginia associations. But many of those are new to the profession and have never experienced a down market.”

“Nearly 50 percent of NVAR’s members have been a part of the organization for less than three years.”

“‘We’ll lose some, but we’re not expecting the bottom to fall out,’ said Jill Landsman, a spokeswoman for NVAR. Landsman said some agents have taken on second jobs, such as substitute teaching or retail, to make up for decreased income, rather than leave the field all together.”




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Comment by death_spiral
2006-11-01 09:02:50

“Landsman said some agents have taken on second jobs, such as substitute teaching or retail, to make up for decreased income, rather than leave the field all together.”

That ought to pay the bills! Try $8/hr.

Comment by ChrisO
2006-11-01 09:21:09

“I’ve got several great houses just full of granite to show you. Oh, and would you like whipped cream on your grande mocha?”

 
Comment by John Fontain
2006-11-01 11:01:58

And to think, just a year ago the masses were taking financial advice like “buy now or be priced out forever” from folks who are now back at their jobs in retail.

And substitute teaching? I’m not sure I want my kids being taught by these people!

Comment by jim A
2006-11-01 11:18:38

Well, not math certainly, but maybe creative writing? Never mind, I read some of the listings and they shouldn’t be telling anyone how to write gud.

 
 
 
Comment by Sean_from_NVA
2006-11-01 09:03:45

I love hearing these numbers in VA. I can wait to pickup a house or townhouse when the time is right. In some areas there are people begging for someone to put contract on their house.

Comment by Northern VA
2006-11-01 11:52:32

I currently know 3 people that have double mortgages because they bought a new place before selling their current one in the area. We’re talking about people who earn maybe 150k now owning 1.2-1.8M in RE. I don’t know how long they can last before starting a fire sale but I doubt it is more than 9 months.

Comment by jsmith
2006-11-01 12:02:17

I currently know 3 people that have double mortgages because they bought a new place before selling their current one in the area.

I like to call this move “the straddle”. Or “the highly leveraged straddle”, as the case may be.

Comment by auger-inn
2006-11-01 16:25:32

currently know 3 people that have double mortgages because they bought a new place before selling their current one in the area.

I like to call this move “the straddle”. Or “the highly leveraged straddle”, as the case may be.

I like to call this move “the strap-on”. Or “the highly painful strap-on”, as the case may be.

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Comment by johnfromia
2006-11-01 12:52:15

The problem is that most of these people don’t have the equity to hold a fire sale. It’s likely going to take some time for the banks to foreclose and then they will hold the fire sale.

 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2006-11-01 09:14:20

Well, if you want to have fun with numbers, here are some downright merry ones from Arizona:

http://www.azcentral.com/

And you’ll enjoy the comments that follow the story.

Comment by Sol Veritas
2006-11-01 09:21:00

“Florence’s $78,000 median price in third-quarter 2004 more than doubled to $178,000 in the most recent quarter.”

Wow… looks like this place received buckets of money and quite a few boxes of stupid.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2006-11-01 09:24:10

Right on with that buckets/boxes comment, Sol! After all, Florence’s number one employer is the prison complex, which sits right in the heart of town. (And everyone wants to live in a place with a prison complex in the middle of it, right?)

Comment by Ben Jones
2006-11-01 09:38:41

We’ll probably have an Arizona post later, but this is a Virginia thread. Please use bits bucket for odd links.

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Comment by txchick57
2006-11-01 09:32:01

From that story

ueen Creek, some of the original floppers could still get out alive. If they are smart enough to roll their prices back a lot.

But of course that won’t happen. They’re all relaxing in the safety of their own delusions.

Comment by Backstage
2006-11-01 09:51:19

No, it won’t happen. Tx, remember, there will be a great bounce in second quarter, and those 99-year ARMS with the 15 year teaser rates will make buyers able to fit the cost into their monthly budgets. They will more than make up for the neg-am by appreciation. Once the market starts roaring right after the Super Bowl, there will be no stopping it.

It’ll be just like 2005 all over again. Bitter, jealous renters and all those buyers sitting on the side lines will now be sure that the market has regained it’s footing and will be roaring again. I even predict that Kara Homes will emerge from bankruptcy and make it to the billion dollar sales mark.

Get out of it alive?! They will be rich, rich, rich.

It’s in the bag.

Comment by Backstage
2006-11-01 09:55:17

Oh, and by the way, housing markets are not national. We simply have the great fortune of being alive to watch the rare occurance of 300 markets dropping simultaneously.

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Comment by Sol Veritas
2006-11-01 11:04:26

15-year teaser rates? What’s the pre-payment penalty?

If a person had discipline, that could really work! Unless this was a sarcastic comment and I missed it?

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Comment by Neil
2006-11-01 09:14:46

But the problem is we have only a temporary oversupply,’ says developer Robin Miller. ‘I don’t think prices are going to go down.’”

Nope, it must be different there. ;)

Comment by jsmith
2006-11-01 09:20:33

Yup, it’s different there. Not much in Richmond but some financial stuff, a university or two, and the state capital. Very little floor to where prices can go.

This should be fun.

Comment by Helen
2006-11-01 12:04:10

Heh, you think Richmond will be fun? Try the whole of Hampton Roads. We’re losing a carrier battle group AND the Ford plant. As the amount of housing increases (100+ condos in the downtown Norfolk area alone, plus all the SFH’s elsewhere), the Navy will no longer classify the area as a low-availability area and decrease the BAH.

The price decreases have already started, and things will sit on the market for months and months and months. Aside from the navy and some tourism, there isn’t much if anything for this area to fall back on. At least Richmond has the state government.

 
 
Comment by CA Guy
2006-11-01 09:31:46

But the problem is we have only a temporary oversupply,’ says developer Robin Miller. ‘I don’t think prices are going to go down.’”

This is the type of developer that will go under during this down cycle. Way too much confidence, and a reasoning that flies in the face of evidence and logic. While it may be true in the strictest sense of the word, only a fool would call a four to five year oversupply of condos “temporary.”

Comment by smf
2006-11-01 10:05:13

Under what planet does a ‘temporary oversupply’ not lead to lower prices? What a dummy!

Comment by jsmith
2006-11-01 10:28:34

I don’t think he’s a dummy. Just smart enough to talk more GFs into buying at current high prices. He is not a disinterested party.

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Comment by nnvmtgbrkr
2006-11-01 10:33:29

There will be two types of builders in the next 12 months - the overconfident ones, and the ones who will actually make some money. Yesterday there was a thread in which a developer made the comment about having opportunities in a down-cycle, and every laughed at him in their posts. I don’t see it that way. If a builder came in right now, and over the next several months, and worked his margins right, he could clean up undercutting the market bigtime. To hell with propping up prices, to hell with incentives, slash prices and get in there and sell some underpriced (seemingly underpriced) product. No, you won’t be making a truck-load on every house, but you will be making SOMETHING, instead of nothing. Real soon a bunch of these guys are going to get it (already happening) and the first ones to figure this out will be making money on the way down. Remember, we’re already seeing reductions in the cost of building materials, and now that jobs are getting scarce for subs, they’ll be slashing their prices too to remain competitive. If cost-to-build comes down with prices, then the Builders margins will not be greatly affected. Start to see the picture?

Bottom line: The smart builders will make money over the next 12 - 18 months undercuting the market, while excellerating the downward spiral of home prices. Happens every time.

Comment by RamsLaw
2006-11-01 10:48:42

The builders are our (the housing bears’) friend here. Resellers get tied up in what their homes are worth, and absent other considerations (job loss, transfer, divorce, etc.) can simply choose not to sell. Builders HAVE to sell SOMETHING at whatever they can get, otherwise they don’t eat. Builders sold the market up, and they’ll sell it right back down again. The builders make the market. Three cheers for Bob Toll.

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Comment by peterbob
2006-11-01 11:48:53

Agreed Ramslaw. Let ‘em build. That keeps prices affordable. And builders know how to cut losses and SELL.

 
 
Comment by lineup32
2006-11-01 10:50:29

RE YOY sales volume down 30 to 50%. this equals more housing inventory, lower sales price and BK
HB. Besides their are no buyers for even under market properties, wait until these foreclosures hit the comps, it will all be under market pricing soon.

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Comment by implosion
2006-11-01 11:46:33

I agree. I vote for builders to keep building until they simply have no profit margin left.

I thought there was discussion yesterday saying this was the “new game” on one of the threads, i.e., crushing the resale owners?

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Comment by ChrisO
2006-11-01 09:26:22

I fully expect the bubble burst in Loudoun County to be every bit as ugly as anything in Fla., Calif., or Ariz. Unless you work there or are part of the Middleburg horsey set, there’s just no good reason to live way the hell out there, especially at those prices. Loudoun wasn’t even really considered part of metro DC until fairly recently.

Comment by packman
2006-11-01 11:36:00

Having just recently moved to Loudoun - got a couple of comments -

- Agree that the bubble will burst here, as bad as anywhere (well, maybe not as bad as Phoenix or west FL, but almost)

- You underestimate the job market - there are quite a few very large high-tech companies either in Loudoun or right across the border in Fairfax, e.g. Verizon and AOL both have their headquarters in Loudoun, plus lots of gov’t tech. I also wouldn’t consider it part of “metro DC”, in that I think anyone who commutes from Loudoun to DC is insane (there are some), however the bulk of people who live in Loudoun work either in Loudoun or in Fairfax counties, not in DC.

Comment by John in GA (was John in VA)
2006-11-01 13:41:28

I wouldn’t use AOL to support an argument about a robust job market in Loudoun County. And all that gov’t tech? Guess what — tech spending is the first to go when the Feds have to tighten the belt, and that’s what’s happening in the aftermath of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Katrina. I know this firsthand — I work for a high tech company and our Fed sales guys are starving.

Comment by slynch
2006-11-01 14:11:06

Actually the govenment contractors speciallizing in defense are doing very well. All of my friends in N. Va. make at least 100k and the average couples are making about 140k.

Yes housing is crazy, my house went from 285k to 990k in 12 years. I am 2 miles from Westfields and 28 where all the defense contractors are going. No commute time. What do I think the house is worth, about 550k, since rents are about 2800/mo.

Leesburg and loundon county will drop big time but the homes are huge. My friend paid 950k, but house is 7700 sq ft. Put a value of $100 sq ft and you get $770k. I wouldn’t pay more than 600k.

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Comment by John in GA (was John in VA)
2006-11-01 17:54:53

If your friends make $140K combined, then they can afford to purchase a home in the $450K range, on average. $450K in Loudoun county gets you a 3br, 2ba vinyl townhouse in Trashburn.

And your friends’ salaries notwithstanding, the Fed sector is hurting and it’s only going to get worse. This isn’t a political statement, but if the Republicans get thrown out this year, defense contractors better dust off their resumes.

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2006-11-01 18:04:31

$2800 x 150 = $420,000

Is the old 150 times monthly rent obsolete? If not, then a house that fetches $2,800 per month has a true value of $420,000. Sorry!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Northern VA
2006-11-01 12:36:01

Loudoun and the other exurbs are leading the decline in the DC area. There are some very nice places to live there with good schools and plenty of high paying jobs (median income is almost 100k). Loudoun is a big county though, if you are in the western portion near WV it is not the DC area at all. If you live in Sterling and take HOV you can make it all the way downtown in rush hour in 30 minutes.

The building is slowing down in Loudoun, Centex just canceled a huge SFH subdivision. The inventory hangover there is going to take at least 2 years to work out though. Also because there has been a huge reliance on ARMs, and IO ARMS that will cause record foreclosures and panic selling in Loudoun.

The trustee sale activity has picked up a lot in loudoun in just the past 3 months. It is still a trickle now but the deluge will come in 2008.
http://commerce.washingtonpost.com/wp-adv/classifieds/search/trusteeSalesForm.html

Comment by dcrenter
2006-11-01 19:34:17

I love all these salary quotes - median income is 100K , average couple makes 140K blah blah blah.

One important fact that is missing here. THERE IS NO JOB SECURITY ANYMORE. It is almost a certainty that in a dual income family, one of them is bound to lose their job at some point. Or, God forbid, the sole breadwinner will. How many have enough savings to carry a huge mortage for several months if not longer until a comparable paying job can be found? Or what if an illness hits the family ? Do you think insurance will save you? Think again. Then there’s the divorce rate. Not to mention all the problems the kids will have from never seeing their workaholic parents. That’ll cost you too. Do all these smug 100k to 140k people have enough in savings to cover themselves AND afford the Mcmansion??? Doubt it.

 
 
 
Comment by Arwen U.
2006-11-01 10:07:10

In my McMansion development in Fauquier, (south of Loudoun) we’ve not had one sale or contract since March, 2006. There are eight homes for sale. And a few in hidden inventory, that are rentals waiting for next Spring.

/ Crickets chirping.

 
Comment by flatffplan
2006-11-01 10:07:46

22151 in N Va little action- have a friend trying to sell in lake Barcroft- only a hundred homes on a lake 7 miles from DC- still no action

Comment by MeShell
2006-11-02 09:29:22

Interesting because IMO Lake Barcroft is very desirable, I would love to live there.

As for Loudoun County, I would rather commit hari kiri then live anywhere along Route 28 (Fairfax or Loudoun). The traffic is hideous any time day or night (amazing how the farther you go from the city, the worse the traffic gets). The sprawl is hideous. Everyone is pissed off all the time. The only places to eat pretty much are jam-packed chain restaurants.

Also, I would not send my daughter to Loudoun County public schools. The only public schools I would even consider in NOVA are in north Arlington and Falls Church City.

 
 
Comment by va beyatch
2006-11-01 10:09:51

Here in Virginia Beach it’s different because of the military, of course. HousingTracker shows inventory increases every week, there is never a let down. For sale signs everywhere. Craigslist has gotten real popular with locals, perhaps due to flip shows. The postings on craigslist are starting to sound a bit desperate. The local media hasn’t been as negative as the media in other markets, but they have turned around a bit. I still hear housing talk at resturants, and have even recently heard lost souls talking about getting into flipping properties. It’s amazing how people forget that 3 years ago a $300K house was $160K. It boggles my mind. I’ve gotten some evil feedback to my Hampton Roads housing blog (hrhousingbust.blogspot.com). Of course, I generally only advertise it on local realtor’s blogs. :-) When I wear my housing bubble Tshirt, most people don’t get it… at all. The “We buy houses” signs have dissapeared from public right-of-way property, but can still be seen on a few vehicles and billboards. When I tell people they are asking too much or their properties are overpriced, they immediately insult my education or salaries… they don’t understand that I don’t overpay for things. I prefer to buy low. I’d like to buy a place and pay it off in 6 years or less.

Comment by Sol Veritas
2006-11-01 11:09:26

“I’d like to buy a place and pay it off in 6 years or less.”

Not quite paying cash for it, but damn, that’s aggressive! I was thinking of 12 to 15 years for myself…

 
Comment by Helen
2006-11-01 12:07:54

Yeah, and the military is easy-come, easy-go. Military folks who bought into the overpriced market and try to sell in a year or two are in for a smackdown. Plus that carrier is going to Florida (done deal) and Ford is closing down.

I’ll check out your blog…hopefully the prices will come down to something reasonable and not $150k for a mold-infested, foundation cracked teardown with aluminum wires and gunshot holes in the siding. (I know this b/c I was looking at buying a house until not too long ago and that was about the sum total of what I saw.)

Comment by Brian in Norfolk
2006-11-01 13:34:34

Helen,

You are the first person I have heard who said anything about that carrier group leaving, after the initial news report. I had been wondering if I heard it in a dream.

I know that there will be some innocents hurt financially, but I do look forward to the wake-up call issued when 8,000-9,000 fewer housing units are needed around here as that carrier group sails away. I always get the ‘It’s different here’ business from people around here.

We’re only different in that we are at the end of the line…

Comment by Helen
2006-11-01 16:48:13

I have heard various things, but the following I know:

The USS Kennedy in Jax is on the block…it’s old, it has severe problems (e.g. catapults and steam boilers not working), and it had its scheduled major retrofit cancelled because it was not cost-effective for the government. Her flight deck is no longer certified for flight ops, which makes her a huge hole in the water to throw money into. The city of Jacksonville wants to replace that carrier very, very badly, and it does make sense for the Navy to spread their assets out. Meanwhile, they want to have more carriers prepositioned on the west coast (read: JIC China and North Korea start doing things of which the government doesn’t approve.) Once the Kennedy is decommissioned, the carrier will leave.

Meanwhile, Oceana has come up on the BRAC list 3 times now. I have to wonder how much of that is because of the sprawling growth (a lot) and how much of it is obsolete facilities. Either way, there are only so many times that it can come up with the navy saying it needs replacement before the senators’ arguments won’t hold enough weight anymore…especially if a plane crashes into a house or worse, Sea-Tac elementary.

Probably the state senators and reps are fighting it hard, but at the end of the day, what the navy wants, the navy will get…especially when they have a good reason for doing so.

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Comment by Mole Man
2006-11-01 17:23:08

The nation is broke and we are about to build a new carrier or perhaps many because policing the world is somehow compelling? Put away the warrior and be teacher, scientist, industrialist, journalist, something, anything else and maybe we can make it through this. We already flushed a trillion or more down the toilet getting reactive about 9/11 and making things worse, so maybe lets cool it and focus on more important things like paying the bills?

 
 
 
 
Comment by Northern VA
2006-11-01 12:43:54

Don’t forget that if NAS Oceana gets BRAC-ed there will be a lot more pain to go with that Ford plant closing, and carrier relocation.

 
 
Comment by KIA
2006-11-01 12:49:35

Today’s foreclosure report: Falls Church - I sold a property with a $500k first trust and a $160k second trust for $515k - back to the first trust lender. Second trust didn’t bother to show up. Neither did anyone else. That’s yet another $150k hit to the lenders in the area and to the comps. More sales on Friday, both over $500k.

 
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