“Comparisons Shoot Holes In Industry’s Argument”
A housing report from the Idaho Statesman. “Treasure Valley home sales in November have dropped again, compared to either the banner sales year of 2005 or 2004, a more realistic sales year to most in the housing industry. It’s the third straight month that housing sales in the Valley were down from the same period in 2004. It’s the fifth consecutive month for comparable periods in 2005.”
“According to the Intermountain MLS, 970 new and existing homes were sold last month, compared with 1,714 in November 2005 and 1,068 for the same period in 2004. ‘The Realtors are doing damage control (when preferring to compare today’s market to 2004),’ said Boise economist John Church. ‘But I don’t know that you need to panic yet. There’s still an awful lot of construction going on around here.’”
“Some analysts say the local housing slump has become severe enough that comparisons to 2004 are beginning to shoot holes in the industry’s argument that sales activity has returned to the more historic levels of that year. ‘It’s a correction. And it’s hard to paint it in a sunny way,’ said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Economy.com.”
“Ken D. Simonson, chief economist with the Associated General Contractors of America, said a slowdown in building permits signal that the housing slump may not be over soon. ‘Builders are pulling fewer and fewer permits. That tells you that they’re not confident that the market has touched bottom yet,’ Simonson said. ‘If they were confident that things are turning around, they would be down at the Building Office pulling permits.’”
“In Meridian, once the hottest real estate market in Idaho, the 43 building permits issued last month were 79 percent fewer than in 2005, 78 percent below 2004 and the fewest since November 2000.”
“Boise authorized only 35 single-family building permits last month, down 61 percent from 2005 and 48 percent fewer than in 2004. Nampa’s 43 building permits were down 58 percent from 2005 and 61 percent from November 2004.”
“Don Hubble, owner of Meridian-based Hubble Homes, said November was the low point of the year for his company, with sales 50 percent below a year ago. For the first 11 months of 2006, the company’s closings are down 10 percent, he added. ‘And most of that happened in the last six months,’ Hubble said. ‘We had a lot of (sales) contracts that were cancelled.’”
“The median price of an Ada County home has now fallen 7 percent since the housing slump began, or from $248,900 last July to $231,000 in November.”
“George Tallabas, a realtor with ReMax Advantage in Nampa, worried that since outside investors have fled the Valley, inflated housing prices will prevent many local residents from buying a home. ‘About 90 percent of the families living in the Treasure Valley earn less than $40,000,’ he said. ‘Where are the buyers going to come from for these expensive homes?’”
The Register Guard from Oregon. “A total of 128 millworkers abruptly lost their jobs Monday at two soon-to-be-dismantled Weyerhaeuser Co. plants in Lane County.” “The causes were twofold, spokesman Mike Moskovitz said: One, the cooling housing market dropped demand for plywood. Second, builders are tending to use oriented strand board from the South instead of western plywood because the price per square foot is about half.”
“‘Most people should be able to find a job before too long,’ Brian Rooney, a labor economist with the state Employment Department. Laid-off millworkers at the OK Lounge on Monday weren’t so sure. Starting pay at the Springfield mill was $16.22 an hour, they said. ‘Where are you going to find that in this area?’”
The Bellingham Herald from Washington. “When it comes to building condo towers in Bellingham, the sky’s the limit, but only if you can get good financing. Last year at about this time, developers said they hoped within a year to see ground broken on four tower projects, with the tallest, Bay View Tower, reaching 23 stories, or 240 feet, into the sky off North State Street.”
“More than a year later, only one project, the 18-story 1010 Morse Square project, has seen dirt pushed, and that’s about all that’s happened so far.”
“Developers of three of the downtown projects and one on Northwest Avenue say they’ve delayed construction because of the difficulty of getting good financing deals, high construction costs, confusion over plans or an uncertain economic climate.”
“‘We’re kind of reinventing the wheel,’ said David Hovde, one of the project’s developers. ‘To be honest with you, I don’t really know what’s going to happen at this stage.’”
“Bellingham doesn’t have any other big condominium towers, so lenders at national banks don’t have anything to look at to reassure them such a project could work. ‘When the big banks look at Bellingham, they go ‘Wow, it’s really an unproven market,’ said Terry Daughters, VP for Peoples Bank.”
“Two buildings of 14 and 12 stories with 190 condos above retail space and a twostory office/retail building, was put on hold in late summer after financing problems. ‘I would characterize it as like a lot of the tall buildings and projects right now: Things have slowed down a bit, financing is a little harder to obtain,’ developer Larry Willman said.”
“The Idaho builders behind the project are stretched too thin financially and need to sell off other projects before they can restart the project, Willman said.”
“‘We’re kind of reinventing the wheel,’ said David Hovde, one of the project’s developers. ‘To be honest with you, I don’t really know what’s going to happen at this stage.’”
Where do I sign up? I want to invest in a well-planned operation with solid contingencies, like yours. While you are at it, let me reserve one of those proposed condos on Mt. Hood. Seems like a great idea.
Hi Ben, Santa said all good boys get a present. Sent you a small one using PAYPAL.
Thank you for the Blog.
I found Casey’s phone # (916) 595-9632
From his other site http://ablebuyer.com/
Im supposed to be working, someone call him to see if he’s in prison? Or just to say what big fans we are…of him going to jail.
Ablebuyer? More like Able Danger.
Alas, he was just taking a breather to reflect on his situation and next post ;-0
“‘Most people should be able to find a job before too long,’ Brian Rooney, a labor economist with the state Employment Department. Laid-off millworkers at the OK Lounge on Monday weren’t so sure. Starting pay at the Springfield mill was $16.22 an hour, they said. ‘Where are you going to find that in this area?’”
—$16.22 an hour—!!??xx! wtf it sounds like the Inland Empire SoCal
Timber jobs are well-paying, but boring and dangerous.
the state guy gets to keep his job
fck gov workers , every one
back at you jacka$$
“—$16.22 an hour—!!??xx! wtf it sounds like the Inland Empire SoCal”
I know that sounds low to you, but that is above average pay for many areas in Oregon and Washington. And then, when you look at median home prices, in many instances they are more than 10x median income. The Northwest is not drinking the Kool-Aid, but rather, injecting it. The idea that they are not in for a world of hurt is delusional and hysterical. Some serious FB’s all over the place. I have heard first hand how toxic some of the loans have been. While talking to a long time Issaquah resident last summer (who is very comfortable financially), she mentioned she wouldn’t even buy into the area at the current prices. There is a complete disconnect from reality right now in the housing market up there.
That would be a good job in northern Arizona as well.
It would be a good job in Dallas. Trust me. You offer that salary and you’ll get plenty of response.
If i had a job waiting in Bend Oregon paying 15 plus an hour i would buy a house for cash and live well.Those jobs are hard to find in the NW and as those guys found out,not much job security.
Los Angeles is #1
http://money.cnn.com/popups/2006/real_estate/best_worst/8.html
Seeing as it was a sizeable corporation like Weyerhauser laying off workers, I suspect they had some kind of medical plan plus a few other benefits. Not any more. Also, $16.22 an hour is nothing short of pathetic. At this rate it will not take China long to catch up with our wage structure.
Wtf has happened to this country? It’ no good shouting at the liberals because the Boy Wonder in the White House has totally dominated the US for 6 years and we are now trillions in debt and about to go deeper into debt with his latest brilliant scheme of adding more troops to the horrifying mess in Iraq in a selfish attempt to save himself from going down as the worse US president ever. Even if it means killing more US troops.
At this rate, there’s no need for the terrorists to attack the US. With Bush in the White House they simply have to wait for us to come to them and pick us off one or two at a time.
Most citizens are now shut out of the american dream since he’s been in charge and many of those who “thought” they were on the property ladder because of Easy Al MaGoo and his money machine are about to find out they are probably far worse off than they were before they bought the realtorwhores spin…..
Leave the politics somewhere else…not here.
stay calm hilary and FREEer healthcare are on the way
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Just for the record, can we please note how these political sideshows begin?
It is ALWAYS the same thing. It is ALWAYS a screed on how the blame for the woes of INDIVIDUALS who made horrific INDIVIDUAL decisions lies on the current White House doorstep.
Ok. Enough already. Like Hugo Chavez says, he’s the devil.
We buy it.
Satisfied?
Okay, we get it. Like Hugo Chavez says, he’s the devil.
Satisfied? Geez.
Mike,
At 16plus an hour and medical benefits, you’d have lines out the door for these jobs in upstate New York.
at $16 plus an hour plus benefits you would have lines in ync as well
a few months back the m&m store held open interviews for jobs paying around $11 an hour and there was a massive crowd and near riots
and this is in nyc
Bellingham, WA area:
Whatcom county inventory for all types of housing for the entire county per the Keller Williams site:
12/21/05 2,206
12/20/06 3,355
52% increase
Spoke with a local realtor who thinks prices will really start to fall in the spring of 07.
Been traking a large house in a nice area - Summer of 05 asking $800k and it went into escrow but then fell out. Spent an entire year languishing on the market with meaningless price cuts that got it all the way down to $760k. Fall of 06 finally got serious and slashed price to $700k, then to $650k. It is still on the market. Can you say “chasing the market down”?
Got the listing page? I’d be curious to see it.
Hmmm, check this graph out:
Regional HPI comparison
Notice how Boise, ID and Great Falls, MT track each other closely. They both start getting irrational in 2003. Then in 2005, Boise just shoots off the charts while GF (hmm, nice abbreviation!) plods up more slowly.
Looks like the speculator effect to me. I don’t think GF was flooded with ‘em as much as Boise.
Interestingly, the peak performer on this graph is Casper, WY. Nope, no bubble in flyover land!
I sold a home in Boise May ‘04 in 1 week by myself with one sign in front of myself and another at my subdivision entrance. Had a realtor come in after signing the contract with a local family saying I was crazy - there were Californians crawling all over the place and he could get me 50-60k more than I sold it for. He was right. Probably conservative.
But we were moving in July and the buyers said ‘whenever’ and we thought a bird in the hand was worth something. Oh well, still made a good bit of money. But yes, I can tell you for sure, the 2004 buying season was when Boise was really ‘discovered’. To it’s detriment. To its credit,the media in Boise have never gotten 100% behind the specuvestors either. Some folks - including that Hubble Homes guy - have remained pretty clear headed if you ask me.
looks like mid 2003 may be reality
said Boise economist John Church. ‘But I don’t know that you need to panic yet. There’s still an awful lot of construction going on around here.’”
Yet another economist without a clue. Hey idiot, what do you not understand about suppy and demand? Your “awful lot of construction” should be a concern for your over-supply come next spring.
‘About 90 percent of the families living in the Treasure Valley earn less than $40,000,’ he said. ‘Where are the buyers going to come from for these expensive homes?’”
NOWHERE, dude. If only the locals are left to buy, then prices will have to come down to levels they can afford.
That comment is incorrect. From the 2000 census (source wikipedia):
The median income for a household in the city was $42,432, and the median income for a family was $52,014.
That has gone up since then.
I live here and there is a healthy middle class. Not that there wasn’t/isn’t bubble activity here. I’m just saying that the statement that was quoted in the paper isn’t correct. Also there is a definite CA exodus into the Boise area. Many of the sellers here are now looking for what I call the “CA hook-up”. Someone from CA that has a lot of equity that isn’t concerned with price. They pick up the premium properties and leave the rest.
I do have a lot of fear about the Meridian/Tract housing market. There is a lot of over supply and nothing really special about the land they are building on. You just need to buy another farm and convert it into a sub.
Many of the sellers here are now looking for what I call the “CA hook-up”. Someone from CA that has a lot of equity that isn’t concerned with price.
Once those Califorians see their own equity evaporating, they are going to get plenty concerned about price. Greater Fool season is ending soon.
Hey do you guys in ID get many CA equity locusts? Just curious. Not many interested in snow country from the ones i know. But we got 34 million people here.
Go on Boise Craigslist and start looking at area codes of the sellers. You’ll get your answer.
I’m a CA equity locust and I love Boise. I lived in Northern CA for 38 yrs and had enough. Lots of great things about the Boise area, but jobs aren’t one of them IMHO. If you’re the type who can make a living anywhere’s, this could be the right place for you.
Anyways, check out City-data forum to see how many people from CA are looking to move to Idaho. Quite a few. That is ‘if’ they can sell their home there or find a job here :-0
There hasn’t been an American Ambush this bad since Gen George Armstrong Custer lead the attack on those Indians camped out on the Little Big Horn. Who do you know…that wants to buy a McMansion with ZERO DOWN ?
““George Tallabas, a realtor with ReMax Advantage in Nampa, worried that since outside investors have fled the Valley, inflated housing prices will prevent many local residents from buying a home. ‘About 90 percent of the families living in the Treasure Valley earn less than $40,000,’ he said. ‘Where are the buyers going to come from for these expensive homes?’”
Well the locals won’t have to worry about the “inflated” prices for long. They’ll be able to afford the housing next year or so. That’s where your buyers will come from for those ‘less’ expensive houses.
What IS a “correction” without a price drop that is proportional to the size of the “error”?
How you gonna “correct” 100% of the booboo (excess) with a 5% price slash & plasma?
Condo towers in BELLINGHAM? You have to be kidding. Condos in VANCOUVER, 50 km north, to be sure. Bellingham? Don’t make me laugh!
This was all part of this “build it and they will come ” BS. These builders were expecting to sell to speculators who were expecting to sell to rich baby boomers or some rich fool .
The “market makers” were just selling a concept . It worked for a while until it didn’t work .
Talked to a banker last winter who said some local kid, 21 YO or so had “reserved” one of those penthouse condos on the over 20 story building. The “selling price” was over a million dollars. Laughable. No money down, no doc loan more than likely.
Anyway, I had a feeling these would never get built. Little disapointed that out of 6 or 7 of these planned highrises, * not* even*one* is going to materialize. They would have been incongruous and kind of fun.
Guess B’ham will just have to wait til the next boom to finally get a skyscraper.