“The Poster Child For An Overbuilt Housing Market”
The Review Journal reports from Nevada. “Median prices for new homes in Las Vegas continue to rise in November, but at least one analyst believes incentives are keeping those prices high. ‘Factoring out sales incentives offered by most home builders, new home prices would probably be down by double digits, said Dennis Smith of Home Builders Research.”
“‘Home builders that have more standing inventory will be more likely to have larger sales incentives and therefore have seen their prices decline more than those that had fewer standing inventory homes,’ Smith said.”
The Las Vegas Business Press. “Lagging homes sales are weighing on the Southern Nevada economy but they aren’t causing a recession, according to the UNLV Center for Business and Economic Research. Eight out of 10 leading economic indicators declined for the second month in a row.”
“Residential construction permits are off almost 40 percent from last year, and the value of those permits dropped by more than 41.3 percent from 12 months before. The Las Vegas Valley may have become ‘the poster child for an overbuilt housing market,’ remarked CBER Director Keith Schwer.”
“As for recession talk, Schwer put the odds of a national downturn at 25 to 30 percent, but noted, ‘If the national economy goes into a recession, we are not immune.’”
The East Valley Tribune from Arizona. “The Valley’s new home market continued to sag in November, as building permits and sales slumped. Builders took out 1,985 permits for homes last month, down 55 percent from the same period a year before, according to real estate analyst RL Brown.”
“Some 40,125 new home permits were issued in 2006 through November, a 31 percent decrease from last year. ‘The market basically is still reacting to the surge of speculative buying that we saw in 2005 and the first part of 2006,’ Brown said.”
“That resulted in a wave of building contract cancellations when investors grew nervous, he said.” “Hundreds of lots of land have been graded in subdivisions throughout the Valley, but few homes are actually being framed, Brown said.”
“About 43,800 homes are currently up for resale, down from a peak of roughly 48,000 two or three months ago, said Robert Rucker, CEO of the Arizona Regional MLS.”
“Builders have been offering incentives and have cut way back on production, said John Fioramonti with Hanley Wood. ‘The builders are finally coming to grips with reality here,’ he said.”
“Homeowners and builders alike are reducing prices, he said. During the housing boom, home price appreciation rates weren’t sustainable, said Ross Smith, VP at commercial brokerage Grubb & Ellis.”
“‘As the prices went up, people got to the point where they weren’t willing to pay those prices,’ Smith said. When the slowdown hit, some new homebuyers canceled contracts with builders, and others couldn’t sell their old homes to buy new ones, he said. Now, sellers are adjusting their prices or taking their homes off the market, and builders are clearing out excess inventory, he said.”
The Arizona Republic. “A downturn in the housing market is forcing budget cuts in Queen Creek. Facing lower-than-projected revenue from a construction sales tax and building permits, town departments are being told to prioritize projects and shave spending by 15 percent.”
“Council member Lisa Coletto-Cohen said she isn’t sure what will happen. Coletto-Cohen said road projects already promised to residents need to be a priority. ‘I think it’s imperative that we look at ways to develop a revenue base that doesn’t fluctuate and isn’t so dependent on construction,’ she said.”
“The seller’s market of 2005 sharply reversed itself to a buyer’s market in 2006, and Chandler homes became harder, much harder, to sell.”
“Since summer, homes have been selling at their slowest pace in at least four years. In recent months, only about 15 percent of the homes on the market at any time are selling. The MLS listed about 2,160 homes for sale in the city this week.”
“Ahwatukee homeowners saw home values soar in 2005, but like everywhere in the Valley, the market saw big corrections this year.”
“The median price for existing homes, which was a relatively meager $204,000 in 2003, reached close to $400,000 in 2005, but fell back to $347,000 in November. They remained above $342,000 for all of 2006, according to Arizona State University Polytechnic.”
“Despite the downturn, buyers are still balking at what remain high prices. In the last few months of the year, only about 100 homes a month have been selling, and there are at least seven times that many on the market in Ahwatukee Foothills.”
“Sales of existing homes in Scottsdale are on track to reach about 5,200 in 2006, down nearly 40 percent from last year’s torrid pace. Sales of existing condominiums and townhouses are on track to hit just over 2,900, down a third from 2005.”
“A Southern California homebuilder plans to breathe new life into five Pinal County subdivisions, which were abandoned months ago by a bankrupt Phoenix developer.”
“Frontier Homes agreed to purchase the housing developments in Casa Grande and Maricopa, totaling 430 home sites, for $29 million during a U.S. Bankruptcy Court auction last week.”
“Some 132 homes are in various stages of construction at the sites, left unfinished by bankrupt Turner-Dunn. Half finished homes and auction signs can hurt the value of homes in the entire area, which has several other new projects by other homebuilders, said John Russell, a Casa Grande real estate agent.”
“People wonder if they want to move into an area like that, he said.And then there are the people who already bought homes in the largely-vacant subdivisions.”
“‘You just feel awful for them,’ Russell said. ‘They have no neighbors, and there are homes in various stages all around them.’”
‘Residential construction permits are off almost 40 percent from last year, and the value of those permits dropped by more than 41.3 percent from 12 months before.’
Perhaps a reader can shed some light on exactly how this works.
Here is another report on the Frontier purchase:
‘Frontier finds Arizona attractive, Dwight said, because as the nation’s housing market softens, sales near Phoenix are holding up better than in Victor Valley and the rest of Southern California because of stronger job growth.’
‘Because most large public home builders are retrenching rather than buying new land, Dwight said Frontier encountered scarce competition at the bankruptcy auction of properties formerly under development by troubled Phoenix builder Turner-Dunn. As a result, he said, Frontier got a bargain price.’
Maybe Dwight should look around are realize WHY there was scant competition to buy that development.
What is the saying? If you enter a room and can’t identify the mark, you are the mark…
Right, that’s still over $67k per lot. Kind of like the oil guys in Texas. Those that had any money left over rolled the dice on Emus and the like.
After the crash of the late 80’s, there were several abandoned housing tracts in the Ahwatukee/Foothills area. Half built homes and slabs with chain link fences around them. They say that way for almost 4 years before they were purchased and completed. Frontier seems to be moving in a bit early, I don’t think Casa Grande and Maricopa are ready to turn around just yet, prices will be down for a few more years.
“They say” should be “They sat”
‘Residential construction permits are off almost 40 percent from last year, and the value of those permits dropped by more than 41.3 percent from 12 months before.’
Perhaps a reader can shed some light on exactly how this works.
IMHO, the average price the builders were getting this year had slipped a bit (say 5 - 10 %) compared to last year, multiplied by the permit count (down 40%). UNLESS (a crazy thought) the planned homes are moving WAY downscale.
Correct me if I am off base here, but doesn’t a 40% current drop in residential permits presage a future 40% drop off peak construction?
BTW, every time since 1955 (seven out of seven) that residential construction dropped by 25% or more, the entire US economy went into a recession. (But don’t worry — we have heard many assurances that this time is different…)
GS,
IMO Arizona is headed into recession right away. You can’t pull a leg off a three legged stool and expect things to stand.
And all these tax revenues that the government was expecting from the continuing bubble. A lot of cities and states will be in great difficulty. One funny example no one speaks about. Berlin has to live with a busted buddle. The capital of Germany is busted and banrupted and guess who will be paying the bills? The taxpayer as usual. On january 1st 2007 german citizens will have to pay 23 billion euros more in income taxes and taxes. Just a coincidence of course. The same will be happening in the land of honey and milk. Expect much much higher tax burden and even less services.
rise ? I can buy anything I want in LV for 15% off- includin your mama
off subject a bit
anybody here of realtors selling to realtors
recording sales
“Median prices for new homes in Las Vegas continue to rise in November, but at least one analyst believes incentives are keeping those prices high. ‘Factoring out sales incentives offered by most home builders, new home prices would probably be down by double digits, said Dennis Smith of Home Builders Research.”
No sh!t, Sherlock…
Had the occasion many moons ago, to go out to dinner with an oldtime Vegas casino owner, this being the son of the father that built them, and we were talking and he told us, the family owned 4 casinos and I inquired which one was the most profitable and he told us, the Laughlin one, most definitely. I asked why?
He said, there’s nothing to do in Laughlin, so he figures he gets 60% of his employees wages, back over the tables. Imagine having the majority of your employees working for free? He said the number was around 20%, in Vegas.
It’s a hard boiled town, with the veneer of being an ersatz adult disneyland. Wonder how also being ground zero for the real estate collapse upsets the apple cart, a bit?
I would guess that LV would be hit with a double whammy: one, it’s ridiculously overbuilt and unlike the BA or NYC, you can keep building and building and building, so it’s hard to imagine these nutty prices are sustainable and 2) when the rest of the country (especially CA) stops tapping equity for cars, and, yes vacations (including vacations in Vegas), incomes will decrease drastically. I predict bad bad things for Vegas. I have a relative out there who is involved in construction and seems to think the revenue stream will never end. He’s considering buying a 2.4 million dollar manse. Luckily he says it’s a friend’s place, and it’s actually worth over 3 mill. Yikes. It won’t end well personally for him either, I’m afraid.
Oh, I think you’re spot-on there. Don’t forget the dumping of second homes in the mix also.
Related–was sitting@ a friend’s last night watching a fight from LV. The closing shot was of the pretty lights on the Strip. Friend commented “Wow look at all the construction cranes”..
> so he figures he gets 60% of his employees wages, back over the tables.
Similar to The Gap, Abercrombie, etc hiring students for 12 hrs/week.
The sharp deceleration of sales is stunning, and foretelling of further price drops — likely massive price drops by summer 2007 if not before.
Mortgage broker given 24 years in federal prison for fraud.
http://www.mortgagefraud.org/journal/rss.xml
And the people at Fannie Mae given ZERO years.
Standard (ugh!) story—If you’re gonna steal, MAKE IT BIG. 5 yrs for $100 from the 7-11, but loot your company pension/401k plans, rob your customers, defraud the investors…(Enron, etc). .
Besides, the more you steal, the better lawyer-whore you can buy.
Yup, better revive those half-built subdivisions in Casa Grande and Maricopa. All the retiring baby boomers from NYC want to go to those garden spots, you know. Not that they ever heard of Casa Grande or Maricopa.
Fall, 2005 I was looking at a job opportunity in Phoenix; we visited several developments in Scottsdale and elsewhere to get a handle on housing cost. Major sticker-shock set in since we hadn’t looked at the Phoenix area home prices in a few years. The job didn’t work out, which was actually a good thing in retrospect. The attitude of the agents was over the top… no salesmanship, basically, “we’re sold out, but if you want to get on the waiting list for Phase XII, sign the sheet and we’ll let you know if your number comes up.” I doubt those waiting lists are still necessary, or if the agents are still employed…
I couldn’t agree more. We first visited Scottsdale as couple on September of 2003. I have lived in Chicago all of my life. I just fell in love with the area. Checked out all of the Toll Brothers communities and so forth. Loved all of the chocolate chip cookies they had going non-stop for visitors. Saw some great houses priced around $525,000.
When we visited next in the summer of 2005, the boom was in full swing. The salespeople at the developments wouldn’t give you the time of day and most (but not all) treated you like dirt. The same house that was $525,000 was now close to $1,000,000 in only two years! Totally insane! When we did get an audience at one or two of the developments, they gave us all of the stupid paperwork and waiting list information and lottery information and so on. (Also, you couldn’t find a bottle of water for visitors/customers at these developments, let alone the cookies of two years earlier!) I said “wait a minute, do you want my first-born son also?” They weren’t amused. I said whatever to them, reminded them that we weren’t from some hick town, but from Chicago, where if I wanted “attitude” you’d think I’d be able to get that back home (which wasn’t the case anyway).
I also bet those agents are doing something else now. It was terrible how they behaved. Also, the funny thing was when we visited again in the fall of 2005, the slowdown had begun and Toll Brothers had the cookies baking in the kitchen ovens again!
Funny thing is, at $525k, the house is 2x at least what it should be for the phx market. There is NO WAY that local incomes support that. None, Nada, zip, ain’t happening, not even on the $55k HH median HH income. Snowball in hell…strangely appropriate!