January 13, 2007

“Sellers Are Going To Be Paid Back For Being Realistic”

The Journal Gazette reports from Indiana. “Media reports on the housing bubble made consumers cautious about buying new homes, said Jim Lancia, president of Lancia Homes. Job losses at companies such as Waterfield Mortgage Inc., which shed more than 600 employees when the company was sold, also hurt consumer confidence.”

“‘We just crashed in the new home market around here,’ said Ric Zehr, treasurer of the Home Builders Association of Fort Wayne.”

“The large number of houses on the market prevented Realtors from selling more houses, said (broker) Daniel Quintero. Buyers could pick and choose from among the substantial inventory, he said. Foreclosures added to the number of houses on the market.”

The Indystar. “The average price of existing homes sold in three of the nine metro counties, Hancock, Madison and Shelby, fell anywhere from 2.4 to 8.2 percent, according to a 2006 home sale report released Tuesday by an Indianapolis real estate company.”

“H. James Litten, president of F.C. Tucker’s residential division., said the cooling of the housing market last year was almost a given, following a record-setting 2005, when interest rates dipped into the 5 percent range. ‘We dug so deep in the buyer well,’ Litten said. ‘A lot of people who were capable of buying jumped in’ and bought a house, lured by the financial benefits, he said.”

The Dispatch from Ohio. “Developers and landowners have slammed the brakes on annexations in Franklin County. The number and size of annexations in 2006 were the smallest in at least 11 years, records show. Observers say they expect the trend to continue in 2007, as central Ohio’s economy and real-estate market head into another weak year.”

“‘I don’t see it improving,’ said Don Brosius, a lawyer who specializes in annexation cases. ‘It’s going to be a couple of years … because it’s going to be tough to dig out of this hole.’”

“Jim Hilz, director of the Building Industry Association of Central Ohio, said he isn’t surprised that the annexation pipeline is drying up. Homebuilders began seeing a buyer slowdown 18 months ago and it hasn’t stopped.”

“‘We’re experiencing a very difficult time. … It’s not just new-home sales. It’s existing-home sales as well. The inventory is extremely high,’ Hilz said.”

“Unsold homes aren’t the only inventory that’s high. Land that developers expected to need for house sites also is piling up. Dominion Homes and M/I Homes, the biggest builders in central Ohio, said in SEC filings late last year that they both are trying to sell millions of dollars worth of undeveloped land.”

“It’s quite a change from the region’s boom years. There was the 2001 rush, when more than 4,000 acres were annexed. It also was when the Hayden Run corridor, planned for thousands of new homes between Dublin and Hilliard, was annexed to Columbus.”

The Business Review from Michigan. “Area housing sales dropped 11 percent in 2006, data that shows the second consecutive year for a decline in Washtenaw County and the continued impact of what Realtors call a ‘buyer’s market.’”

“The year-end numbers from the Ann Arbor Area Board of Realtors show a 9.8 percent drop in house sales and a 16.5 percent decline in condo sales. Listings went up 7.6 percent for houses and 12.3 percent for condos. And median sales prices dropped for both, a $7,000 decline to $219,900 for houses and a $10,000 drop to $163,000 for condos.”

“Still, many areas, such as the city of Ann Arbor, held value and sellers hit the mark with listing prices. That, brokers said, may reflect how sellers had to adapt to the marketplace changes. ‘Sellers are quite realistic at this point,’ said (realtor) Dawn Foerg. ‘I think they’re going to be paid back for being realistic.’”

The Detroit News from Michigan. “More than 2,000 idle condominiums, apartments and single-family homes dot the city. Some projects are half-constructed, others are completed and vacant, and even more have yet to begin, while developers have stalled their plans, gone bankrupt, or are desperately trying to lure buyers with closeout prices.”

“‘We have to take a step back,’ said Chris Schultz, who operates a plumbing supply business in the city. ‘Drive down any street, and you’ll see models built. They need to stop approving new projects.’”

The Journal Sentinel from Wisconsin. “New-home sales hit a seven-year low in metro Milwaukee last year. Only 1,934 residential permits were issued in 2006, 600 fewer than any year this decade.”

“‘Right now, it’s slow. Real slow,’ said Mark Elstad, vice president of a West Allis water heater company that works with builders. ‘It started before the fall elections, and I thought it would be temporary. People are not spending, and I don’t really know why.’”

“Larry Gruber, COO of a small-scale custom builder, said the slump has been especially hard on production builders, who need high sales to contain costs. ‘Those guys are dealing. Their prices have come down 5 percent to 15 percent,’ Gruber said.”

“Matt Moroney, director of Metropolitan Builders Association of Greater Milwaukee, blamed the media for squelching more deals in an already difficult year. ‘There was a lot of fear out there for a long time because of all that talk about the housing bubble and whether it was a myth or reality,’ Moroney said. ‘There wasn’t a bubble, and we came to a soft landing.’”

“Metro Milwaukee’s existing home market shrunk in 2006. The four-county region registered 20,071 Realtor-brokered sales in 2006, the smallest volume in at least three years and 7.3% below 2005, Metro MLS reported.”

“‘So much for the housing bubble. We didn’t have a free fall. We had a soft landing,’ said MLS President Tammy Maddente.”

“Price drops were a way of life in 2006, said Dan Buttery, president of Argus Investments Inc. in Milwaukee. ‘Clearly, homes are sitting on the market much longer, with prices coming down after a quarter or six months. And still, they’re only getting tepid responses,’ he said.”

“While Buttery sees no upturn in sight, realty agents are optimistic about 2007. ‘Some markets, like parts of southern California and southern Florida, have had a hard landing,’ said Pete Flint, CEO of the San Francisco-based realty company Trulia.com. ‘But broadly, yes, it was a soft landing. And I’d definitely say we’re through the worst.’”

“To make a sale in 2006, however, ‘a lot of sellers were participating in financing or doing improvements,’ said Bill Berland, president of Milwaukee-based Homestead Realty Inc. Unofficial sales concessions, plus an influx into the resale market of pricey newly built homes that builders couldn’t sell direct to consumers as usual, may mean that what appears modest price appreciation was really just a plateau.”




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Comment by ajh
2007-01-13 06:15:02

“There wasn’t a bubble, and we came to a soft landing.”

I am underwhelmed by Matt Moron’s logic here.

Comment by pressboardbox
2007-01-13 06:22:52

the logic of complete denial can be confusing.

Comment by Marc Authier
2007-01-13 11:16:51

I call it “subprime banking” reasoning.

 
 
Comment by jtcc
2007-01-13 07:05:05

“The large number of houses on the market prevented Realtors from selling more houses, said (broker) Daniel Quintero.

This guy apparantley is also confused about the sales process as well.

Comment by douginmn
2007-01-13 08:03:07

“The large number of houses on the market prevented Realtors from selling more houses.” (???)

“The large number of dollars in my bank account prevented me from being rich.”

“The large number of hotties lounging on my bed prevented me from getting laid.”

“The large number of job vacancies prevnted me from having a good career.”

Comment by NYCityBoy
2007-01-13 09:18:52

That was funny Doug.

“The shiit between this guy’s ears kept him from being smart.”

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Comment by diogenes (Tampa,Fl)
2007-01-13 07:14:23

“‘So much for the housing bubble. We didn’t have a free fall. We had a soft landing,’ said MLS President Tammy Maddente.”

It’s RealtorSpeak(tm). This is there new mantra. We’ve had a soft landing and now we can get on to business as usual.

Nothing to worry about. Buy a house. The market of hte past 5 years is the typical market and we are ready to get back to “normal”. Everything will start inflating again this year, so don’t miss out……….Don’t be “priced out forever!”

…………………………and I really need the commission check.

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2007-01-13 06:18:13

My neighgor and friend here in Florida has had a successful construction/remodel business for years. He does quality work and has never even had to advertise. Just two weeks ago I noticed that he placed a half-page ad in the local paper and I asked him about it. He said that it was getting so slow lately that he would try advertising to drum up a little business. He also told me that the only people who responded to the ad were jobless construction guys looking for work - not exactly the response he was looking for. Things are really bad here.

Comment by flatffplan
2007-01-13 06:20:47

remember housing downturn will only effect housing ”
on spillin over here folks, move along
NAHB
NAR
CAR
FEDS

 
Comment by diogenes (Tampa,Fl)
2007-01-13 07:17:00

What part of Florida??

Comment by pressboardbox
2007-01-13 11:42:58

New Smyrna Beach (Daytona area)

 
 
Comment by cassiopeia
2007-01-13 23:33:10

I am preparing myself for the heartbreak of seeing these good businesses in trouble. So many good people are going to suffer with the rest it’s enough to make you reach for the prozac even before it begins to really happen.

 
 
Comment by flatffplan
2007-01-13 06:22:46

The indy, IN softness is wierd as they are actually getting biz’s moving there and housing is cheap as sht to begin with

Comment by Ben Jones
2007-01-13 06:25:42

It has been building up there for a while I posted on some homebuilder bankruptcies there a couple of months ago. Prices must have been artificially high to prompt the overbuilding, IMO.

 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-01-13 06:28:53

wierd

Weird has a weird spelling :-)

Comment by Marc Authier
2007-01-13 14:37:08

Weird wired and wierd.

 
 
Comment by SoBay
2007-01-13 07:07:24

Indy pays very low wages. I grew up in Muncie IN and there are no Industry / Trade jobs left there. The only work is in Indy. Welfare is extremely high with a lot of Black folks.

Comment by flatffplan
2007-01-13 07:15:55

west lafayette has the highest SAT’s in the country
suzuki- just increased auto production there- if they go right to work they could sck lots of industry from il,mi,oh

 
Comment by locd hokie
2007-01-13 21:30:03

“Welfare is extremely high with a lot of Black folks. ”

Wow, that comment was EXTREMELY unneccessary.

 
 
 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-01-13 06:25:28

“‘We just crashed in the new home market around here,’ said Ric Zehr, treasurer of the Home Builders Association of Fort Wayne.”

No way! I thought everyone wanted to live in Fort Wayne, Indiana!

Comment by Mugsy
2007-01-13 06:37:33

Specially the baby boomers!

WHY BUY NOW? ™

Comment by phillygal
2007-01-13 10:51:12

The Great Boomer Diaspora has rejected: most of FL, all of AZ, Bitterroot, MT, and (hot off the presses) - Milwuakee, WI.
I have inside info that they are now headed for Williamsport, PA.

Too bad, Fort Wayne, no Boomers for you. So sorry :-(

Comment by seattle price drop
2007-01-13 12:12:50

Ah yes, those indefatigable Boomers, chasing after every inflated RE market in the country.

This whole episode has been too funny! The rich Boomer myth should be dying soon.

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Comment by Marc Authier
2007-01-13 19:11:27

The boomers too. Baby boomer bust coming soon. Is there a way to buy a cheap funeral parlour ?

 
 
 
Comment by Jay_Huhman
2007-01-13 10:54:21

Last month my wife interviewed for a position in Fort Wayne. The city didn’t seem bad at all to me. She would like a larger house on a nice lot near a good high school for our youngest; 4bed/2bath houses in such neighborhoods (’70s construction) are available for 125-150K.

Comment by GetStucco
2007-01-13 16:45:09

I have nothing whatever against Fort Wayne. I just find it rather odd to hear stories coming from Fort Wayne about all the problems with overbuilding, given that it was only back in 2005 that the REIC was assuring everyone that irrational exuberance in residential real estate was confined to coastal bubble zones.

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Comment by ajh
2007-01-13 22:30:38

If you can also find a job, I imagine there are far, far worse places to bring up a family than Fort Wayne.

Especially in a 125K 4/2. :)

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Comment by GetStucco
2007-01-13 06:27:17

“Unofficial sales concessions, plus an influx into the resale market of pricey newly built homes that builders couldn’t sell direct to consumers as usual, may mean that what appears modest price appreciation was really just a plateau.”

Has it now reached a permanently high level?

Comment by jag
2007-01-13 07:53:21

If things WERE fine, what would these folks be telling and showing reporters?

I know I’d be showing them deal after deal where the sales were at asking prices and where the house was on the market for only a reasonable period of time.

Funny, isn’t it? The “success” stories seem few and far between. Instead there’s story after story of people who, despite “cutting” their price 10-15% over a year, can’t get anyone to LOOK AT their property much less to make an offer.

I still don’t get RE brokers. Tell the truth, move on. Save your personal credibility. Tell people who are buying that, yes, they are taking a risk. Tell people who are selling that they have to face the fact that all the factors accelerating prices from 01-05 have been played out and many are now reversing.

Be an adult, be a “professional”. Tell people the ugly truth and maybe you’ll have a career in a few years.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2007-01-13 08:30:14

Good post Jag . You can’t blame people for wanting the market to be stable before they buy and it would be a risk for someone to buy now and that buyer should be told that rather than the “Time2Buy” BS.
In fact, one time I was in down turning market and I advised people not to buy . I didn’t make very much money during that cycle but I didn’t have angry prior buyers either .

Comment by NYCityBoy
2007-01-13 09:23:17

Here’s a question about Realtors. It seems to me they have destroyed the profession and turned it into a den of thieves and liars. Many of these Realtors are going to need to look for other jobs in the near future. Will that time as a “Realtor” be a “mark of the devil” on them? I will admit that if somebody told me we had an applicant for a job that had previously been a Realtor I would immediately question their integrity.

It seems to me that Realtors have dug themselves a deep ditch. I’m guessing that they realize it, too. They just won’t admit it.

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2007-01-13 09:43:58

Realtors have egg on the face and I have never seen that profession stoop so low as they have in recent years ,especially regarding the cheerleaders propaganda machine of false dissemination of material facts .

I can tell you that having sub-prime lenders that would hit any appraisal or make a loan on any unqualified body would be a dream come true for a salesperson in real estate .
Usually a real estate transaction was a conditional sale in which the borrower had to qualify as well as the property ,(in term of appraisal and condition ).
For the real estate sales cheerleaders of recent years they got some kind of a dream world of no resistence to any kind of buyer or transaction they wanted to do ,(thanks to the subprime lenders ).

Alot of realtors would double escrow the properties after they got sellers to sell to them ,driving up the properties values ,while sub-prime lenders would ignore this little conflict of interest transaction .

 
Comment by cassiopeia
2007-01-13 23:43:22

What I’m going to say did not happen in the US, but I think it applies. Last year, I was looking at a property in Buenos Aires that I thought was really beautiful, but because of the area I thought it was overpriced. I said that to the sellers realtor and I could tell she agreed with me. A couple of days later I bumped into her at another property and from what she said I could make out that her boss had almost fired her for suggesting the property was overpriced, and on top of that the property sold at almost asking price the very same day that I saw it. I think that goes to show how good realtors are made to shut up by their bosses. Oh, by the way, did I mention that there is probably a full blown bubble now in Buenos Aires too, fueled by euro-rich “investors’ who have priced out the locals. Sound familiar?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by flatffplan
2007-01-13 06:28:48

mean reversions
employment was 9.8 % RE in 05 for thelast hundred years it was 6%
mort was 22% of GDP traditionally 10%

Comment by mrktMaven FL
2007-01-13 06:37:12

That’s gonna leave a mark.

Comment by Jerry from Richardson
2007-01-13 09:01:09

A nasty brown mark

 
 
 
Comment by mrktMaven FL
2007-01-13 06:34:42

I’m a little groggy from lastnight’s cocktail party so can someone confirm if I just read 3 or 4 times soft landing no bubble in Milwaulkee? Milwaulkee realtors are denying a housing bubble, WHY?

Comment by GetStucco
2007-01-13 06:51:44

Somebody really needs to start up a new blog:

softlandingcount.com

 
 
Comment by Mugsy
2007-01-13 06:39:42

“Larry Gruber, COO of a small-scale custom builder, said the slump has been especially hard on production builders, who need high sales to contain costs. ‘Those guys are dealing. Their prices have come down 5 percent to 15 percent,’ Gruber said.”

WOW! What great deals! A whopping 5-15% off of shiteboxes that were overpriced by 40-50% to begin with. Where do I sign?

WHY BUY NOW? ™

Comment by Incredulous
2007-01-13 13:13:19

You mean overpriced by 100% to 400%

 
 
Comment by WAman
2007-01-13 06:55:39

“Media reports on the housing bubble made consumers cautious about buying new homes, said Jim Lancia, president of Lancia Homes”.

Damn that News Media at it again - making homes harder to sell! The slow down in homes sales had nothing to do with 600 mortgage lenders getting laid off, a glut of houses for sale, and record numbers of foreclosures. Naw it was just the news media up to their dirty tricks again.

 
Comment by WAman
2007-01-13 07:13:25

“Unsold homes aren’t the only inventory that’s high. Land that developers expected to need for house sites also is piling up. Dominion Homes and M/I Homes, the biggest builders in central Ohio, said in SEC filings late last year that they both are trying to sell millions of dollars worth of undeveloped land.”

How long does it take to build and sell a house on undeveloped land? One and a half - two years? If house sales were going to rise why are the national builders selling off land? They must think that home prices will not be rising for many years. I believe its more important to watch what the big guys do rather than listen to what the local realtor says.

Comment by Ben Jones
2007-01-13 07:23:23

A good point and one that is especially intersting with projects like condo towers. Towers like the one KB homes bailed on in LA won’t be finished for years, so the claim that these decisions are based on a short downturn are questionable.

 
Comment by crispy&cole
2007-01-13 07:47:13

DHOM will go bust. There stock is tanking and OHIO is clamping down on $hitty loans with legislation…

Comment by crispy&cole
2007-01-13 07:49:50

The stock is at a 10 year low, usually a bad indicator? LOL

 
 
Comment by jag
2007-01-13 07:57:50

“They must think that home prices will not be rising for many years”.

Very good point. When the most knowledgeble people in a market are taking their money OUT (like many executives selling their stock) its a bit hard to explain why you should buy when the “pros” in your market are selling.

Comment by phillygal
2007-01-13 10:36:55

The RE investors whom I know got out starting mid 2005.
One guy who made some decent $$$ flipping, just breathed a huge sigh of relief when he unloaded his last property - at break even. He sold the place for 30% less than original ask price.

 
 
 
Comment by Mozo Maz
2007-01-13 07:18:02

Ben seems to be finding more articles from all over the country lately. So much for the claim of regional CA/FL temporary price adjustments.

 
Comment by gordo nyc
2007-01-13 07:34:04

The bursting bubble up north is destroying the old model of retirement wherein a retiring couple would liquidate their housing assests; buy a smaller house in the south and use the cash difference to enjoy thier senior years.

The states in the NE are the source of the big wave of ‘boomers’ everyone down sourth is hoping for. Right now I think it is MORE expensive to live in some parts of FL and AZ than it is in MI, OH, PA and NY. Where are these boomers going to find the extra cash to pay MORE in retirement? Gordo

Comment by jtcc
2007-01-13 07:48:37

That is why the carolinas,tennessee and georgia are growing. They all have mild winters and incredibly cheap housing to be had.

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2007-01-13 07:53:44

The “boomers are coming” is how the buiders sold their projects to the flipper/investors . Again this was one of the other myths during the mania to justify the inflated prices or explain to investors who they were going to sell to .

 
 
Comment by Geoff
2007-01-13 07:59:46

In Northern Virginia - RE agent blogs are popping up like weeds. Like this one saying its probably bottom:

http://askmerv.choice3realty.com/000786.html

But this guy seems to be a RE agent who’s actually Bearish… Also sites crazy MLS fudging proof in the local MRIS listing system…

http://franklyrealty.blogspot.com/

 
Comment by Jerry from Richardson
2007-01-13 09:09:31

There was no bubble in North Texas but prices are dropping anyways. Why would you buy a 10 year-old house when you can get a brand new one for the same price? The high taxes and endless supply of land can easily suck up and excess equity from the West Coast.

Comment by Ben Jones
2007-01-13 09:38:52

Falling prices and overbuilding have popped up in so many ‘non=bubble’ areas that the basics need closer examination.

We have discussed here before: How far back does this thing go? For instance, Austin never gave up the internet boom year gains. Dallas never surrendered the telecom boom rises and the same for Denver, CO. And I have learned from posters that the run-up in Bostom, MA started way earlier than most of the media claim, same with Washington, DC.

And given the negative interest rates we saw, can’t overbuilding be viewed as just another form of a bubble? Why is it that we are simultaneously overbuilt in almost every major metro area?

Comment by Housing Wizard
2007-01-13 10:33:07

I really agree Ben that this degree of overbuilding in so many cities is a clear sign of the bubble . I contend that builders and realtors got caught off guard when the turn in the market came in late 2005 . In general I think the REIC thought the boom would continue for another 2 to 3 years and than it would just level out ,(at least that was the popular myth at the time ).
Sure its a bubble when you have so many cities overbuilding .

 
Comment by Patriotic Bear
2007-01-13 10:56:57

I think most people on this blog underestimate how dangerous this mania is. Put me down for a recession/depression and an eventual smash of the dollar which will force up interest rates in the midst of the chaos. We are due for a giant margin call on our debt society.

Comment by technovelist
2007-01-13 17:26:46

I think you’re MUCH too optimistic. :-)

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Comment by Jerry from Richardson
2007-01-13 12:05:46

I agree that there was a bubble in building, but not in appreciation. You can get a 5bdr/4bth 3200sf in Allen or McKinney for $180K easily. Some of them even have a pool or jacuzzi and very good schools. These are all under 10 years old. I’ve read about the builders slowing down, but I don’t see it. They’ve cut down forests, bought up farms and ranches and put up McMansions.

 
 
Comment by skip
2007-01-13 11:10:33

I drove up I-35W into South Fort Worth and there were a lot of billboards announcing new homes from the 90’s.

How much can your old house go up in value when a buyer can get a new home for under $100k just by driving an extra 20 minutes??

 
 
Comment by oxide
2007-01-13 11:26:34

“It also was when the Hayden Run corridor, planned for thousands of new homes between Dublin and Hilliard, was annexed to Columbus.””

I once did a telephone interview for a job in Dublin Ohio, and spent some time looking at the Hayden Run corridor via Zillow. I am overjoyed to read that that pretty little green area on the map is NOT going to turn into horrid horrid “instant communities” probably full of “attached product.”

(btw job fell through :-( )

 
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