May 6, 2007

You Can List Your Home Or You Can Sell It

The Citizen Times reports from North Carolina. “Twice this year, real estate broker and analyst Don Davies has accepted a contract to sell property he owns in Leicester, once from buyers from Florida, once from a California couple. Both times, the buyers backed out. The bursting of the real estate market bubble in some of the country’s higher-priced markets is starting to be felt in Asheville and Western North Carolina as well.”

“‘It’s going very much from a seller’s market to a buyer’s market,’ said Ken Dula, broker in central Asheville.”

“With people moving to WNC making up such a large proportion of the local market, problems elsewhere have had a ripple effect in the region, analysts say. ‘If you look at those markets where they’re having real trouble, a lot of them are the markets that feed people here,’ said Tom Tveidt, of the Asheville Area Chamber of Commerce.”

“Some in the industry say that if the number of homes sold continues to fall, it can’t help but have an impact on prices. Davies sees evidence of that already. Buncombe County set a record Tuesday for number of houses on the market and the region set a record ‘almost every day in April,’ he said.”

“In turn, the number of houses on the MLS with price cuts is steadily increasing, he said.”

“‘We have a lot of people that come from out of the area, and I think in some of the areas that have been hit harder and experienced some actual loss (in real estate values), those folks are having trouble selling their house,’ said James Blue, president of the J.D. Jackson Associates brokerage.”

“And traffic on a bulletin board in which Realtors let their colleagues know about price reductions or other incentives to sell homes has mushroomed. ‘If it continues to be less units selling, the prices will have to change,’ Blue said. ‘Buyers are savvy. They’ll wait, and sellers will get anxious.’”

The Bradenton Herald from Florida. “Andrea St. Laurent and her fiance, Joseph Forte Jr., moved to Florida four years ago from Massachusetts. They finally started house hunting in November.”

“‘The first one, the guy reneged on it. The second one, the guy wouldn’t budge on the price. The third one, the house didn’t appraise to value,’ said St. Laurent.”

“Chad Kramer hasn’t found much to get excited about in his price range of $250,000 or less. ‘The ones in my price range, honestly, a lot of them I think should just be knocked down,’ said Kramer. ‘It seems like everybody is trying to unload something.’”

“The median sales price of a home in the Sarasota-Bradenton market at $291,500, compared to $321,400 last year, according to the Florida Association of Realtors. But $291,000 is still out of range for many wage-earners, particularly those trying to make it on the $44,414 median household income the U.S. Census Bureau projected for 2005.”

“St. Laurent figures she and Forte have already looked at 40 houses in Palmetto, Parrish, Bradenton and Ruskin, where they made their most recent offer. Since the sale is pending, St. Laurent wouldn’t be specific about the list price. It is in the couple’s low $200,000 price range, and the seller has come down considerably on the price.”

“‘They started much higher than what we were getting it for,’ St. Laurent said. ‘It was a substantial amount that he came down. Probably a good 30 percent.’”

“One thing is certain: There are many more properties on the market today for buyers to consider than there were just two years ago. As of April 30, there were 5,601 homes on the market in Manatee County, compared to 1,175 homes for sale in April of 2005, according to the Manatee Association of Realtors.”

The Boca Raton News from Florida. “Sales of existing homes in Florida remained at a sustainable pace in March, with buyers continuing to see favorable mortgage rates and a range of housing options available here in Palm Beach County and across the state, according to the Florida Association of Realtors.”

“While no local brokers we spoke with are even close to throwing in the towel, most were also realistic.”

“‘I have to look at the past nine months,’ said broker Sam Mina. ‘The market has not been the way we would like it to be. There has been a big, big slowdown in making decisions to buy. Buyers are very, very careful, and they are educated. Yesterday, I was at an open house with about 30 brokers, and they made the same comments I did.’”

“Broker Scott Agran says some of the concern stems from the reality that ‘marginal’ borrowers are going belly-up. When homes were selling at a rapid pace and prices soared, many lenders offered subprime mortgages to marginal lenders. ‘Now, the interest rates are going up,’ he said.”

“‘It was all right when properties were increasing in value,’ he said. ‘Then, if a person got in trouble, he could go out and sell. Now, people can’t sell, and they can’t afford to stay in their homes.’”

“And while Realtor Olive Belcher says the current market slowdown is among the worst she’s seen over the last 20 years, Mina offers an optimistic note: ‘My feeling is that we’ve seen the worst of it. Sellers are saying, ‘Enough.’ Just go and sell it. We are starting to see a transition.’”

“Agran noted that people who are trying to sell ‘don’t want to play games. The sellers understand that they have to energize the realtor. If you want to play games and try to outsmart the market, you will be holding on to your property for a long time.’”

The Venice Gondolier from Florida. “Area Realtors are beginning to smile again. March MLS figures showed a 16 percent increase in sales. There also are fewer homes on the market.”

“‘A year ago there were 300 Realtors wait-listed to get a lock box,’ Venice Area Board of Realtors Executive Vice President Marlene Merkle said. ‘We have 3,500. There’s no wait today.’”

“Prices of single-family homes reached a peak at the end of the summer of 2005 and sales bottomed out about three months later, according to Trendgraphix.com data for Venice. ‘It happened in October 2005,’ Realtor Tim Paradiso said.”

“‘We had the three biggest years in history,’ builder David Hunihan said. ‘Of course the prices would be down. You have to look in cycles of three to five years.’” “Trendgraphix.com data shows the average price of homes trending downward from the peak reached in 2005, but sales trending upward.”

“‘We have a great many cash buyers,’ Realtor Helen Moore said, adding that she also had buyers waiting for property to sell in Naples or somewhere else so they can buy here.”

“Hunihan said there is an eight-month supply of new homes available. More than 500 listings have expired, Realtor Janice Holloway said. Currently there are 1,616 listings, of which 79 have closed and 64 sales are pending.”

“‘Last year was tough,’ WCI Realtor Cheryl Youmans said. ‘I wasn’t here for the boom times, but I have enough listings. I don’t need anymore unless they are good. You can list your home or you can sell it.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2007-05-06 05:55:07

‘In late 2005, Barbara and Gregory Klein agreed to sell their St. Petersburg home for $535, 000 to a man who had seen their ‘For Sale By Owner’ sign. But when the Kleins sat down to complete the deal, their copy of the closing statement showed a different buyer - and a sale price of $599,000. In less than a year, the house changed hands twice again, each time at a price $50, 000 higher than the previous one despite the sluggish market.’

‘In a slowing market, it starts to show itself,’ says Mark Scott, spokesman for HomeBanc Mortgage Corp., one of the South’s biggest lenders. ‘All of a sudden you’ve got this scam that’s been pushing up the value of some homes, but the rest of the market isn’t reflecting that any more.’

‘If there are enough of them, it would skew the value up and that’s something we’re always concerned with,’ says Pinellas County Property Appraiser Jim Smith. ‘Garbage in, garbage out.’

Comment by NYCityBoy
2007-05-06 06:58:10

Ben, you just raised my blood pressure 300%. This pisses me off so badly. It’s the fault of the f—ing lenders that this happened. All they need is to do a little due diligence and none of this crap would happen. This should not even be possible.

“Inflated prices enable borrowers to get more money out of mortgages. But they can hurt lenders, who are left holding the bag if the borrower defaults.”

The lenders are completely and totally to blame. Anybody that would buy this junk packaged into some dog$hit MBS is also a damn fool. And now even the MBS holders are victims. I’m going to go kick the neighbor’s chihuahua.

Comment by arizonadude
2007-05-06 07:18:14

The lenders don’t seem to care.They just dump the loan ASAP to some ignorant investor.This is so crazy I cannot even believe it all.The industry is full of fraud and scam artists.

Comment by aladinsane
2007-05-06 09:26:01

In my opinion…

The “ignorant investor” is an unknowing China.

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Comment by ex-nnvmtgbrkr
2007-05-06 09:55:16

Most lenders were, and I repeat were, less concerned with fraud, but rather how well you concealed it. I can recall many times files being sent back to LO’s with anotations or recommendations on what they needed to do to “rework” the file to get it through. At the very least some of these recommmendations were deceit, and may times just flat out encouraging fraud. I’ve seen coaching on what to tell (coerce) the appraisers in order not to raise red flags. Remember, the AE (the brokers insider - the guy/gal that works for the lender, but represents the broker) works on commission. Loan volume is bottom line for them. They need the loans of the brokers they work with to go through. So, if they can get the underwriter on the inside to work with them by having them alert them when ever a problem arises on a file, instead of flat out denying the file, then the AE can brainstorm how to re-tool the file and then inform the LO on what changes to make to make it work. Some times these recommendations are legit, with perhaps the AE catching something the LO ignored to help get the file through. But many times it’s a 101 on how to fudge a file to make it work. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard an AE say “Here’s what our investors want to see”, with “want to see” meaning “make sure you put this down and make it look as real as possible”.

Anyway, this long winded example is just to back you up by saying yes, lenders were complicit in this mess.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2007-05-06 07:21:07

NYCboy:

Its really the fault of Our NEW ECONOMY where everyone is on commission…

Look at Craigslist, over 500 commission only jobs daily, and i get 50-60- my record is 86 responses in one week… to my resume.

When i put in my ad “You MUST state the weekly pay”….my responses drops to near ZERO!

But what should boil your blood, is these people are now Unemployed and will get jobs faster then me, because they have been “working” never mind they will embezzle money from employers or find someway to use their Liar loan skills to rip off the company….

THAT boils my blood, the clueless employers who are the next targets because of their clueless 23 year old chicky poos in HR will HIRE them first…and honest never been arrested, still have safe drivers insurance no DUI’S nothing but recent unemployment…. will hire me LAST!

Comment by spike66
2007-05-06 07:44:57

aNYCdj,
Just one thought, Palmetto’s advice from a day or so ago was really good. You have the paralegal background, and you have been following the bust–and why wait for answers to a resume when you can hire yourself? I want from being an employee to owning and running my own business, and there is nothing like it. If you have the energy and the willingness, it beats working for someone else.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2007-05-06 08:07:21

i HEAR YOU, But it seems like i am boxed into a corner, i get inquiries everyday to dj some type of party, and i have no choice but to accept because i need the money.

Plus added to that i helped take care of my father the last 3-4 years and suddenly I’ve become unemployable to the clueless 23 year old airheads in HR who cant ask any questions or figure anything out.. I cant tell you the last time i had an ADULT looking at my resume.

So i am considering Palmettos ideas, i just thought being employed in a law firm would be a better more stable option right now, learning all i can, and giving up the weekend work…

 
Comment by ronin
2007-05-06 16:55:34

Captain: “You’ve been transferred to personnel.” Dirty Harry: “Personnel? That’s for idiots!”
Captain: “I was in personnel for ten years.”
Dirty Harry: “yeahhh”

“The Enforcer”

 
 
Comment by jerry from richardson
2007-05-06 08:00:18

HR is usually the highest paid and lowest skilled group in any company.They are usually completely clueless and useless.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2007-05-06 08:13:20

I should be sued weekly, when i get one of those airheads, i usually yell at the boss and ask are you banging her behind your wifes back?

There is no excuse to hire dumb chicky-poos if you are not banging them.

I usually get into shouting match and demand they stop acting stupid with me. Hey its FUN. Ill never get the job anyway.

But just to hear the bosses reaction why i say “sue me” and we can tell the world he is banging the HR fluff bunny is Priceless.

 
Comment by SteveH
2007-05-06 12:13:21

I’ve been reading your posts for a while and have to say that the impression you leave is such that I wouldn’t hire you either. Do you really want to work or do you just want to make noise? You have to bring value and a willingness to work with others. If you can’t or won’t change your attitude you are stuck. Right now you are just playing an ego game. Good luck.

 
Comment by Its Crazy Credit!
2007-05-06 16:43:49

here, here Jerry - you are completely right!

 
 
 
Comment by B from Beantown
2007-05-06 07:54:59

Hey,Be careful with that chihauhua,he’s probably got three homes in his name that he’s trying to unload!

 
Comment by bozonian
2007-05-06 09:39:08

“The lenders are completely and totally to blame. Anybody that would buy this junk packaged into some dog$hit MBS is also a damn fool. And now even the MBS holders are victims. I’m going to go kick the neighbor’s chihuahua.”

The Man got me too much money. My civil rights been violated.

Comment by mjh
2007-05-06 11:08:51

I agree. You blame lenders for borrowers committing fraud. Say what??

Sure, they should have done proper underwriting (I’m not saying they’re in the clear here), but come on, put the blame where it truly goes.

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Comment by Mike a.k.a/Sage
2007-05-06 20:30:01

Why aren’t the investors crying out of the woodwork?

 
 
Comment by geeah
2007-05-06 05:59:55

“Chad Kramer hasn’t found much to get excited about in his price range of $250,000 or less. ‘The ones in my price range, honestly, a lot of them I think should just be knocked down,’ said Kramer. ‘It seems like everybody is trying to unload something.’”

I share this sentiment here in the DC area, but the 250k dumps Chad talks about are a majority of the stuff just under 400k here. Slowly some nicer stuff is creeping into the range (probably motivated by some of the bank-owned stuff that is way undercutting prices) but I still look at what I could have bought for my money from 2000-2002 and there’s nothing near that quality under 400k yet.

Comment by dukes
2007-05-06 06:30:49

Same as San Diego…check this one out in Logan Heights, which is really just a suburb of Tijuana…notice that beauty old Ford Maverick sitting in the front yard…nice touch…

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/rfs/325133130.html

Comment by NYCityBoy
2007-05-06 07:00:16

I see $hit like this and I realize we don’t need a “correction”. We need a complete collapse. $250,000 should still buy a very nice residence. You should not get a teardown for $299,000.

Comment by arizonadude
2007-05-06 07:14:30

That is my dream car on the lawn.Looks like the place is great habitat for termites.Anyone want to make an offer of 100k?

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Comment by mrincomestream
2007-05-06 10:22:58

100k??? for what? the ford is worth more than the house.

 
Comment by Patriotic Bear
2007-05-06 10:59:38

After seeing that house I had to go take a shower.

 
Comment by AKRon
2007-05-06 13:33:00

Holy moly! This should be a starter place for a working class family, $100k or less.

Is this a foreclosure sale? “Accepted offer-subject to court confirmation and overbid”

 
Comment by REhobbyist
2007-05-06 13:33:04

Patriotic: I LOLed! Funny!

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2007-05-06 07:28:49

NOTE: Accepted offer-subject to court confirmation and overbid.

What exactly does that mean?

Foreclosure/BK/ estate sale? and someone offered $350K?

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Comment by mrincomestream
2007-05-06 10:25:46

It’s a probate deal, which needs to be approved by the courts if someone wants they can come in and overbid but the overbid has to be 10% over the accepted bid.

 
 
 
Comment by scdave
2007-05-06 07:26:31

OK…How the hell did they get that car inside the fence ??

Comment by We Rent!
2007-05-06 07:42:12

Fence was put up in 1983. Car was already there.

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Comment by Chip
2007-05-06 11:53:10

LOL.

 
 
Comment by REhobbyist
2007-05-06 13:34:07

Helpless with laughter.

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Comment by death_spiral
2007-05-06 07:54:21

you’re right, that Maverick really accents the house. Nice touch! You forgot to mention the proximity to Petco and the fact that the house is only about a 100 years old. can’t believe it’s still for sale.

 
Comment by JWM in SD
2007-05-06 08:49:48

OMFG!!! Someone needs to throttle both the seller and the realtor team. That is obscene. What is wrong with people here in SD??? Did the weather cause some sort of dementia or something?? It’s like there was a mass housing psychosis that descended onto southern California oh say around 2001 or so and suddenly people became house-stupid. Or maybe it was that global liquidity glut thing…nah.

Comment by AKRon
2007-05-06 13:36:10

Probably the lead paint affected their brains. These old places are probably painted with lead paint and fireproofed with asbestos. It it were build on uranium tailings (that is more of a mountain west feature), they would have the trifecta.

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Comment by edhopper
2007-05-06 06:44:33

Wow, here in NYC it’s the $500,000 houses that need to be knocked down.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2007-05-06 07:02:05

The houses won’t be knocked down but the prices will. The junkboxes in Queens and Brooklyn, etc that are going for $500,000 are a complete joke. People in this area still don’t get that the entire boom was driven by cheap financing and fraud. People here are complete morons.

Comment by spike66
2007-05-06 07:52:42

Did you see the HGTV thing on the couple from Park Slope who made mint on their apt. sale, and went looking for a house. The agent took them to Bed-Stuy and a 3 story wreck that had been apts.–tenants had trashed the place and taken appliances. Their architect came up with a total renovation, including a terrace with french doors–in Bed Stuy. These people had small children, and were going to sink 1M into the dump. No sense that in a recession, crime goes up. French doors and an open terrace–can you say invitation to a burglary?
These geniuses were thrilled with their purchase.

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Comment by NYCityBoy
2007-05-06 07:56:41

No dumber than $1.4 million for an ordinary condo in DUMBO. I have heard Bedford Stuyvesant is still very rough. I’ve never been there. And of course everybody wants to be in Park Slope. It is the new Upper West Side.

 
Comment by Anon E. Moose
2007-05-06 08:04:49

Great article in NY Post recently about ‘Park Slope’ now extending to the Gowanus Canal (more truth-in-advrtising from Realt(wh)or(e)s and their Craigslist wannabees).

The money quote: “If you can’t see the park, it ain’t Park Slope.”

 
Comment by spike66
2007-05-06 12:53:15

About 18 months ago, I went with a friend to Red Hook to check out row houses. Artists and such had begun to move in and some restaurants now existed, with Ikea and Fairway (sort of like Trader Joe’s)scheduled to move in. Right on the ocean, with small park, and older,solid row houses, in disrepair, built for longshoremen in the 30s. Walked around and talked to folks doing major renovations, and even got invited into two–small rooms,with fireplaces,could be nice.
But the whole place is dominated by a dangerous public project where a school principal was shot to death by dealers, and totally cut off from public transportation. My friend passed, but the prices there have skyrocketed. What’s the point if you don’t feel safe walking down your street?

 
Comment by HK_Vol
2007-05-07 03:56:53

My old ‘hood!
Used to live on 13th Street between Prospect Park West and 8th Avenue. But of course, that was 18 years ago!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Tom
2007-05-06 06:04:48

The Venice Gondolier from Florida. “Area Realtors are beginning to smile again. March MLS figures showed a 16 percent increase in sales. There also are fewer homes on the market.”

The reason sales were up 16 percent is because Fraud is up probably 30%. I bet they sold for a higher amount which might explain why the price drop was not as steep : )

 
Comment by Curt
2007-05-06 06:22:18

The reason sales were up 16 percent is because Fraud is up probably 30%. I bet they sold for a higher amount which might explain why the price drop was not as steep : )

Ya maybe; or Venice could be different!

Comment by RJ
2007-05-06 07:26:19

Perhaps, but first you would have to assume that the data from Trendgraphix is in fact valid. From their website:

“The power of our products is that they are designed with the input of real estate professionals”

Unfortunately, if your not a Realtor, it’s all proprietary data. Sorry, I
just can’t accept black box statistics, not at face value. Something the Venice Gondolier has no problem doing. There’s just too much fraud and bullsh*t out there as evidenced by the other stories in this thread. Nice job Mr. Jones.

 
 
Comment by flatffplan
2007-05-06 06:40:50

why list and waste 5-6%
aren’t FSBO’s making progress w the net and all the cheap listing sites

Comment by NYCityBoy
2007-05-06 07:05:44

How many on this board wouldn’t even consider a FSBO? When I see that sign I think there is 1) a shady owner 2) a psychotic 3) a person that thinks they are so smart that they will fleece the buyer 4) more headaches in my future than any transaction is worth.

The one FSBO we had in our old neighborhood was a joke. It was some homemade sign and the couple was asking an insane amount. I am anti-realtor and anti-FSBO. I just don’t see us buying again in this lifetime at this point. Call me the first completely disillusioned housing refugee. Soon there will be others.

Comment by P'cola Popper
2007-05-06 07:18:12

For me FSBO is a big red flag that signals “Over Priced”.

 
Comment by passthebubbly
2007-05-06 07:19:44

Yeah. Nearly without exception, the fsbo’s I see are way overpriced.

Comment by aladinsane
2007-05-06 09:41:08

How about coming up with the real name for fsbo?

Fk’d seller backing out?

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Comment by AKRon
2007-05-06 13:43:11

Long ago I bought a place FSBO. It was an excellent deal, and they were well-educated and reasonable people. But the key part was that the apprasier was honest, unbiased and diligent AND the housing inspector was meticulous and professional. The key to FSBO or regular deals really hinges on the integrity and ability of the appraiser and inspector.
In my case, the appraiser lowered the price from what the seller wanted (to a very reasonable value), and the inspector ferretted out a few subtle problems with the house that the seller had to remediate. Now, a psychotic seller, corrupt appraiser and blind inspector, THAT would be bad news.

 
 
 
Comment by Its Crazy Credit!
2007-05-06 06:54:46

ot - looked at an house yesterday - via appt. - realtor said things have picked up in last 4-5 weeks. Ha! Sounded kinda nervous! No way - although things are still selling in CT - not as much

Comment by NYCityBoy
2007-05-06 07:07:30

Ask if you can take a look at the realtor’s checkbook register. That will tell you if things have really picked up.

 
Comment by skooch
2007-05-06 07:19:34

We’re selling (under contract) our place in Chicagoland and renting in Fairfield, CT. House purchased in 2005 for $1.2M on the market for $1.07M this year … no bites. So they’re renting it to us. Went to go look at the house, the realtor told me that the market had picked up. I guess they picked up so much that a $1.2M house can’t even get a bid of $1.07M a year later. Yep … sounds great! To infinity and beyond!

 
 
Comment by SoBay
2007-05-06 07:07:48

“‘It was all right when properties were increasing in value,’ he said. ‘Then, if a person got in trouble, he could go out and sell. Now, people can’t sell, and they can’t afford to stay in their homes.’”

Allowing people to buy property based upon values increasing has landed us where we are. Under no circumstances should unqualified buyers been allowed to purchase a home - based upon a future increase in value to bail them out. WTF!

 
Comment by landedeal2
2007-05-06 07:17:54

The Venice Gondolier from Florida. “Area Realtors are beginning to smile again. March MLS figures showed a 16 percent increase in sales. There also are fewer homes on the market.”
I must be reading this wrong !

 
Comment by number2son
2007-05-06 07:19:12

I have what I’m sure is a FAQ: I have been following my next door neighbor’s effort to sell their home. They originally put it on the market in early April. Since then they have relisted the home 2 times, each time at a lower price. Is this legal? They home currently shows that it has been on the market for only 2 days, when in fact it has been on the market over 30 days with 2 price reductions. Believe me, I want them to sell it at a good price. But I also am concerned that people are being dishonest in this increasingly difficult market. TIA

Comment by NYCityBoy
2007-05-06 07:38:44

“Since then they have relisted the home 2 times, each time at a lower price. Is this legal?”

All’s fair in love and real estate.

 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2007-05-06 07:50:55

Just last week NAR said they’ve fixed MLS to catch these relists and set the list date back to the original list date. They are using address and geo location, and some other stuff, so even if you move realtors, your house goes back to the original list date, until it finally flags as sold.

 
Comment by REhobbyist
2007-05-06 13:42:22

I’m a nosy neighbor, too. Home around the corner sold for $650K in January, one of those complete soulless remodels, after months of lists, relists starting at $810K. But now nobody seems to live there, though every day people park cars on the street outside - I’ve seen about five different men going in and out during the day. No lights at night. Can’t figure it out. If they’re flippers, boy did they ever miss the train.

 
 
Comment by mrktMaven FL
2007-05-06 07:27:27

Realtors are changing their attitudes towards sellers.

‘If you want to play games and try to outsmart the market, you will be holding on to your property for a long time’ and ‘I wasn’t here for the boom times, but I have enough listings. I don’t need anymore unless they are good’ are examples of realtors adjusting to market reality.

Comment by Chip
2007-05-06 12:02:00

Maven — I see some grudging progress, but the part I wish they’d get serious about is straightforward use of price-cut terminology.

“‘If it continues to be less units selling, the prices will have to change,’ Blue said. ‘Buyers are savvy. They’ll wait, and sellers will get anxious.’”

Forget the fluffy let’s-make-them-feel-better “change” stuff, agents. Prices need to be dropped, cut, chopped, slashed — pick a verb that a 5th grader understands to mean LOWERED.

 
 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2007-05-06 07:45:53

1988, Al Qaida planning meeting.

Osama: How do we take down the U.S.?

Advisor: Same way we are taking down the U.S.S.R. Economics.

Osama: Tell me more.

Advisor #1: Well, they just about did themselves in with that Junk Bond, S&L dibacles. Let’s do a couple more of those!!

We throw our money into the stock market, then when everyone has all they retirement money in, we pull out and let it pop.

Then when everyone realizes their retirement nestegg is gone, we’ll put out money into realestate. Drive priaces way up. At teh top, we buy every junkiest of the junkiest loan we can for as long as possible. Those fools will start cranking out new houses by the hundreds of thousands.

Then, just as all those crap loans start to default, as all those new housing developments are half complete, s everyone has pulled the last penny out of their home equity loan…. We pull out and let it all crash. No savings, no equity, and a housing slump that throwss them into another great depresion.

Osama: Genious….but….
How about we drive down the price of oil for the decode of the stock bubble. Get them all driving massive, low fuel milage vehicles. Then, as the stock market crashes, we launch a major terrorist attack and suck them into another Vietnam style “regional conflict” without end. Then, as the housing bubble is at the top, we drive the price of oil up 3 fold or more.

No savings, no equity, no jobs, giant mortgages on giant houses they owe twace as much for as they are worth, giant gas bills for their giant cars, massive war-time deficits on top of massive national debt…..

They’ll be finished!

Comment by NYCityBoy
2007-05-06 08:00:18

That’s funny. It’s a viable plan even though I doubt Osama thinks of such mild-mannered solutions.

How do you ruin an individual? Give them a lot of money they didn’t earn. Just look at welfare or even take a look at former lottery winners. They are some of the most bitter, messed up people because they didn’t earn anything they got. I would guess the same concept works with nations. Give a nation a bunch of stuff they didn’t earn and watch the pain. Man, I’m scared.

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2007-05-06 08:08:43

Do I think they did all this? Nope.

However, Osama has come out and said that the reason he took down the World Trade Center was to get us into a conflict that would financially ruin us the way Afganistan did U.S.S.R.

For months after the towers came down, I kept asking “What was he thinking?” while everyone else was putting up American flags and singing “Put a boot in your ass”.

Now that the Democrats are talking pull-out, AlQaida is coming out with statements making fun of us and that plan. They DO NOT want us to pull out of Iraq.

Which tells me, it is way past time we do just that.

 
Comment by observer
2007-05-06 09:29:35

What? WHAT? But I worked HARD to pick those winning numbers!

 
 
Comment by gary
2007-05-06 08:16:30

And yet, go to Costco, Bestbuy, BJ’s on a Saturday and the place is packed with people buying flatscreens, grills, gadgets, sh*t and more sh*t. It’s like a machine. I get squeamish thinking about it. The Fed must have the printing presses going all out 24/7.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2007-05-06 11:24:51

Or could it be that the economy is doing pretty well and FB’s constitute only a small minority of the population.

That’s impossible, so it must be holographic images of shoppers in those stores.

Comment by Chip
2007-05-06 12:05:34

Or the FBs are making MasterCard rich by piling on the credit card debt.

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Comment by AKRon
2007-05-06 13:51:58

YOY consumer electronics sales in US increased 7%. And credit card debt YOY increased 7%. Coincidence? :)

 
 
 
Comment by REhobbyist
2007-05-06 13:49:38

gary, the latest numbers show that US consumer spending is slowing, finally. It hasn’t gone down in nearly 20 years, but I think it will happen this year. The credit bubble is bursting, starting with the house-as-ATM.

 
 
Comment by REhobbyist
2007-05-06 13:46:48

The idea of Osama chortling while we hurt ourselves really gets to me. I wish I could kill that guy. Osama that is, not you Darrell.

Comment by johnfromia
2007-05-07 03:31:46

“I wish I could kill that guy. Osama that is, not you Darrell.”

Thanks for clearing that up, lol!

 
 
 
Comment by Renterfornow
2007-05-06 07:48:34

“And while Realtor Olive Belcher says the current market slowdown is among the worst she’s seen over the last 20 years, Mina offers an optimistic note: ‘My feeling is that we’ve seen the worst of it. Sellers are saying, ‘Enough.’ Just go and sell it. We are starting to see a transition.’”

Yeah and these are the same chimp realtors that said it was always a good time to buy or sell.

 
Comment by Renterfornow
2007-05-06 07:50:29

These damn realttor shills were cheerleading the prices up. Price never go down SHILLS?
HA!
How about 50% lower in Bubble markets.

 
Comment by xstate
2007-05-06 07:51:47

I might give a box of DVDs for some of these houses. Otherwise, forget it. Housing is a scam!

 
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Comment by aNYCdj
2007-05-06 08:49:03

Proof that this is “THE MORON GENERATION”

400 sq ft studio, ooh look at the cool flat screen and the $99 ikea desk for the laptop.

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Although small, the 400-square-foot units that Mr. Castellanos acquired are one block from the beach and come with high-end fixtures and appliances. Mr. Castellanos figures that the $250,000 price tag for each unit is about $100,000 lower than it would have been during the boom. His plan is to rent the properties, and perhaps live in one, until the market recovers. “When there’s an upswing, this will be a wonderful place to have,” he said.

Comment by REhobbyist
2007-05-06 13:52:42

I loved that article, dj. That guy is so screwed. The upswing won’t happen until long after he loses the place, if at all.

 
 
Comment by Chip
2007-05-06 12:13:56

“Nancy Riley, … president of the Florida Association of Realtors, … is confident that sales would gain more ground if issues like Florida’s high property taxes and soaring post-hurricane home-insurance premiums are resolved. Then, ‘we will see another boom like we have never seen before,’ Ms. Riley said.”

Shucks, Ms. Riley, if only my income situation could be resolved, I’d probably buy one of those properties. Fat chance of either happening anytime soon.

 
 
Comment by B from Beantown
2007-05-06 08:18:50

I always believed the true worth of a house was in it’s ability to become a home for settling down,raising a family,becoming part of the community,etc.Now that this generation wants to treat them like any other type of commodity,the pricing will eventually follow suit.I remember when stereo equipment,washers,dryers,refrigerators,air conditioners,etc,all used to be relatively expensive compared to your take home pay.Now,with efficient mass production they’re relatively dirt cheap.I think houses will eventually follow this same route.

Comment by aNYCdj
2007-05-06 08:57:55

Damn you are an Old Fogey get with it man, next i thing i hear is, you will actually have a will and maybe a cemetery plot….and intend to pay off the mortgage and pass the paid off house to your kids

Comment by observer
2007-05-06 09:36:51

hell with that, I’m spending my kids’ inheritance!

It’s all about the “ME” generation.

ME-ism, materialism, what’s mine is mine and what yours is mine.

Where did this all start? Now that is the question.

Comment by Eudemon
2007-05-06 11:55:45

It started with FDR.

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Comment by REhobbyist
2007-05-06 13:55:30

Yeah, things were great under Coolidge and Hoover.

 
Comment by AKRon
2007-05-06 13:56:46

Eudemon would have voted for Hoover. ;)

 
Comment by Eudemon
2007-05-06 14:09:19

Actually, I would have voted for Goldwater, if I was of age at that time.

 
Comment by technovelist
2007-05-06 17:50:40

FDR? Try Lincoln.

 
Comment by Eudemon
2007-05-06 18:39:52

Lincoln’s not a bad choice either…I wonder what Lincoln would think of the State of Texas, mineral rights and all.

 
 
 
 
 
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