May 15, 2007

Bits Bucket And Craigslist Finds For May 15, 2007

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Comment by wmbz
Comment by NYCityBoy
2007-05-15 04:47:04

Honestly, I don’t see why anybody keeps bringing this kid’s name up on this blog. You are giving him exactly what he wants, attention. Ignore him and the little b*tch will go away.

Comment by flatffplan
2007-05-15 04:48:02

how about jail- he’s admitted felonies on TV

 
Comment by LILLL
2007-05-15 05:13:01

Yes.
You are giving him hits on his blog. The little $hit thinks he’s famous! This is what he thrives on.

Comment by PDXrenter
2007-05-15 07:09:06

Linda, the blog’s been up & down - it is a blank site as I type this.

The CNET article has a picture of Casey at Jamba Juice (hehe): http://news.com.com/2300-1028_3-6183330-3.html?tag=ne.gall.pg

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Comment by Lou Minatti
2007-05-15 05:26:01

Because it’s a soap opera and it relates directly to the subject of this blog. Casey’s actively promoting himself elsewhere and we’re all familiar with him at this point, so further discussions on the Bubble Blog won’t give him more publicity.

Comment by aladinsane
2007-05-15 06:43:33

Seeing as he’s “dead” in the water, maybe he’ll be grateful for this?

Driving that trainwreck, high on loan pain

Casey Serin is ready, watch him bleed

Trouble ahead, trouble behind

And you know that notion has crossed all of our minds

This young FB tried to pay on time

Left a lot of wreckage, part of our decline

Hit what he thought was the big time, too

At a quarter to ten, somebody was loaning money to him again

Driving that trainwreck, high on loan pain

Casey Serin is unsteady, he paid no heed

Trouble behind, Trouble ahead

Dontcha think he’s in a world of dread?

Trouble ahead, payments in red

Take my advice, the loan docs should have been read

Loanman’s sweeping, houses no longer “belong” to you

You’re on the wrong track, nothing new for you…

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Comment by uptick
2007-05-16 13:58:08

Banks: “All your houses are belong to us.”

And then we ALL pay the banks and the street for their monetary losses in the form of increased taxes. Renter-savers will find themselves scr*wed too.

 
 
 
Comment by House Inspector Clouseau
2007-05-15 05:26:21

NYCityBoy:

at least he’s honest (sortof). I’d rather support him than Anthony Mozillo, or David Lereah, or Alan Greenspan, or the CEO of Goldman Sachs etc… and those guys make the big bucks.

That said, I’ve never been to his site, and likely never will go.

Comment by dukes
2007-05-15 06:19:36

I’d say this alone is reason enough to NOT visit this fool, from the link above:

“Since launching his Web site last September, Serin has discovered that it can be profitable to outrage and annoy the thousands of people who visit his blog every day. He estimates he was making up to $1,000 a month through Google ads and believes he’s on track to make even more through Yahoo’s ad network.”

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Comment by packman
2007-05-15 07:34:45

I’m sure now that all his properties are gone, and he’s gone from “entertaining loser” to just “loser” status, his income from this will fall faster than Pulte’s. He’s got no more basis for his drama.

 
Comment by MacAttack
2007-05-15 09:09:47

Bingo. What’s left to say? The easy writing has all run out… now he has to work for it… and Casey appears to avoid work like the plague. He appears to be one of those people who would do well working on something aboveboard - they work so hard at “something for nothing.”

 
 
Comment by PDXrenter
2007-05-15 06:58:07

Anthony Mozillo, or David Lereah, or Alan Greenspan, or the CEO of Goldman Sachs etc… and those guys make the big bucks

Correction: those guys STEAL the big bucks.

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Comment by speedingpullet
2007-05-15 08:09:58

Me neither - I’m happy to learn all about his stupidity from others here - but I’ll be da@ned if I pay even a fraction of a penny towards his lifestyle, by going to his site.

The husband sent me the link to the story last night - from what I’ve read he’s now spending more time basking in the notoriety than he is in trying to get out of his hole.
And, it seems that the FBI has no intention of going after him.

Meh - there’s enough attention seekers in the world already, that I don’t need to give him the time of day.

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2007-05-15 06:46:58

Exactly!

Comment by lavi d
2007-05-15 13:21:30

Now if they could just get rid of that annoying Jared in the Subway ads.

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Comment by jmf
2007-05-15 04:33:00

Junk Bonds May Repeat Crash of 2002 on Increasing LBO Credits / make sure you read the part about “toggle bonds”

Banks significantly tightened real-estate loan standards
compare this with the german number of 40% of banks easing!

http://immobilienblasen.blogspot.com/

Comment by jmf
2007-05-15 05:14:47

here is the corporate equivalent to the option arm product….

toggle bonds

Money is so easy to come by that for the first time some investors agreed to let borrowers choose to make interest payments in cash or in additional bonds.

 
Comment by az_lender
2007-05-15 06:11:46

jmf, this was an interesting post. “Toggle” bonds are really no worse than a “dividend reinvestment plan” for stocks so, in and of itself, the “toggle bond” info is not alarming. However, the post made me wonder whether I should dump my B-rated “junk” bonds

(Hertz Rentacar, Lyondell Chemical).
1.3% 2.4% stock yield
7.4% 10.4% bond yield
2012 2009 bond maturity
Maybe I will dump the HRZ bonds, five years looks long.

Comment by jmf
2007-05-15 06:25:32

thanks az lender,

to me the increase from almost zero “toggle bonds” until q4 2006 to the actual numbers sounds alarming. sounds to me to keep the game alive for another inning… ;-)

There have been 10 sales of toggle bonds this year, amounting to $5.14 billion, the most ever, according to S&P’s Leveraged Commentary and Data unit. There were five sales totaling $4.05 billion completed in November and December of last year.

Before that, only luxury retailer Neiman Marcus Group had issued the securities, in September 2005.

Univision Communications Inc., the Los Angeles-based Spanish-language broadcaster, and real estate broker Realogy Corp. of Parsippany, New Jersey, financed their takeovers in part with so-called toggle bonds that give the issuer the option to pay interest with more bonds.

Comment by aladinsane
2007-05-15 07:21:22

Sounds like more needless markup…

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Comment by gwynster
2007-05-15 08:57:33

LOL I thought I was the only person who called NM that.

 
Comment by aladinsane
2007-05-15 09:01:53

I was actually talking about univision, et al…

 
Comment by aladinsane
2007-05-15 09:01:54

I was actually talking about univision, et al…

 
 
 
Comment by P'cola Popper
2007-05-15 06:54:59

az_lender said:

“the post made me wonder whether I should dump my B-rated “junk” bonds (Hertz Rentacar, Lyondell Chemical).”

The partner of Victor Vekselberg (Russian Oligarch) may be involved in the acquisition of Lyondell Chemical. I wouldn’t want to be holding any shares/bonds associated with this guy.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117910422884801532.html?mod=MKTW

 
Comment by PDXrenter
2007-05-15 06:59:51

“Toggle” bonds are really no worse than a “dividend reinvestment plan” for stocks so, in and of itself, the “toggle bond” info is not alarming.

The difference is that toggle bonds pay debt with additional, pyramided debt. Very different from a dividend reinvestment.

 
 
 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2007-05-15 04:46:02

Home Depot misses their numbers. But don’t worry that shouldn’t impact the overall economy. I know this because I heard a talking head say it on Squawk Box. Walmart had it’s revenue come in $1.5 billion below projections. But guess what? You got it. That won’t impact the overall economy.

“Hi honey. I lost my job today, but don’t worry. That shouldn’t hurt our overall economy.”

Comment by jmf
2007-05-15 04:48:29

the spreading is contained……

to the overall economy….. :-)

the guys on cnbc will only react when stocks are falling. everything else is to “complex” for them……

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2007-05-15 05:13:48

“Hi honey. I lost my job today, but don’t worry. That shouldn’t hurt our overall economy.”

That’s their way of saying anybody it does affect doesn’t matter to them. We’re dispensible invisibles.

But their a** is covered. It’s all good.

2007-05-15 08:30:30

As long as it doesn’t hurt Icahn, Kirkorian and the like everything is fine to them.

 
 
Comment by crash1
2007-05-15 05:18:07

According to Laramieboomerang.com, Rocky Mountain Forest Products, a manufacturer of stock and custom wood mouldings used in homebuilding closed it’s Laramie, Wyoming plant and filed for Chapter 7 Bankruptcy. 20 to 25 employees were locked out of the plant. According to the story, Tewa Holdings, LLC and two of its subsidiaries, Tewa Mouldings, LLC, and RMFP Holdings, LLC, each filed for bk protection.

My guess is that the slowdown in home construction is just beginning to touch a lot of people.

Comment by Hoz
2007-05-15 06:28:21

Knife River Corp., which includes Bauerly Brothers and Granite City Ready-Mix, said Thursday it has reduced its Central Minnesota work force by 75 people because of a lack of projects statewide. The Bismarck, N.D.-based company did not call back about 30 seasonal workers and will not hire at its typical rate. Knife River typically employs 1,000 people at its three Central Minnesota companies at peak construction season.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 51-100

And

Irving Forest Products Inc
Saint John, NB
The slump in the nation’s housing market has been blamed for the shutdown of the Irving Forest Products Inc. sawmill and the loss of its 36 jobs, a move the company hopes will be temporary. The mill, which bought hardwood and sawed it on site, will close Friday

and

Olin Corporation
Clayton, MO
East Alton, IL
Metal and munitions manufacturer Olin Corp. has cut 55 employees from its Brass Division. According to an announcement issued Friday by company spokesman Ann Pipkin, the company’s “brass business continues to be impacted by a decline in the housing and automotive industries.”

and

Bonita Bay Group
Bonita Springs, FL
The Bonita Bay Group’s decision to cut 30 positions is the latest in a series of terminations and layoffs by developers and builders sparked by the sluggish real estate market.

and

Cay Clubs
Key West, FL
Cay Clubs, the most visible development company in the Florida Keys, slashed its payroll this week by laying off dozens of employees. Widespread reports put the number at around 80, with most in the Middle Keys.

and

Auto Truck Transport
Springfield, OH
Auto Truck Transport, a company that hauls trucks across the country, is laying off workers in Springfield as the trucking industry slows. The Wisconsin-based company has laid off 79 workers at the Springfield office this year.

It is just starting and the ripples are moving.

Comment by PDXrenter
2007-05-15 07:03:22

Hoz,thx for the info. this is getting ugly.

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Comment by aladinsane
2007-05-15 07:22:46

Contagion Happens

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Comment by the_voz
2007-05-15 06:41:15

the slowdown in my neck of the woods, douglas county oregon, is manifesting itself in the altering of the manufacturing facility of Roseburg Forest Products taking on a new line…….laminated fibre-board… Lumber aint movin, so we gotta “throw in the chips”

Comment by MacAttack
2007-05-15 09:11:26

At least you guys are taking on a new line, instead of just cutting jobs. Good to hear (from here in Portland next to Weyco).

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Comment by In Colorado
2007-05-15 07:25:00

That will hurt Laramie. Other than the University, Laramie has few (if any) quality employers.

 
Comment by desmo
2007-05-15 08:07:15

My guess is that the slowdown in home construction is just beginning to touch a lot of people.

Like Bruce Bowen of the Spurs “touching” Steve Nash.

 
 
Comment by krills
2007-05-15 05:37:08

I went into the Wal-mart in Oxnard yesterday and that place, which is usually a bustling metropolis, was eerily quiet and empty..Didn’t even have to wait in line with only 3 check stands open…Got Foreclosures?

Comment by Crapburner
2007-05-15 07:13:16

Same thing I have been seeing for weeks in Walmart, Kmarts and Targets up in Minneapolis and Saint Paul.

It is really tomb-like in these places.

The Depression is here.

Comment by In Colorado
2007-05-15 07:26:45

Wait for them to start closing stores. Then it will start to sink in for the clueless masses.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2007-05-15 08:12:29

I’ve seen the same thing in Tucson Lowes and Home Depot stores since last fall.

Comment by lavi d
2007-05-15 13:27:03

Hm. Just came back from a Wal Mart here in Vegas. Fairly brisk business inside for mid workday. Of course, I don’t go into that Wal Mart very much, so I don’t really have anything to compare it to, just far from “tomb like”

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Comment by cactus
2007-05-15 06:18:19

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070515/earns_home_depot.html?.v=6

Home depot blames erratic weather and housing slowdown.

Comment by aladinsane
2007-05-15 06:47:15

Despotrate Excuses, methinks…

 
 
Comment by peter m
2007-05-15 06:44:03

Went to the local Home Depot here in long beach CA on sunday, May 13th on a fine 80 % late morning at a time of year when folks are normally busy with doing house/yard projects. ONly 10 shoppers total in the garden section in a one hr span.
This may be an abnormally slow HD as it just opened last yr and the much busier older Signal hill depot a mile away still getting the bulk of the business. Also, This part of LB , in fact all of LB, is getting shafted by flat or declining home price valuations, dissapearance of MEW, ect.

I still think that the level of consumer activity appears very light at ground level, judging by casual glances at malls especialy in the middle-upper income suburban oasis’s such as Huntington Beach, S OC, and in the tanking IE newer communities/subdivisions. One can observe in such newly-built IE areas as Temecula valley(Dos Lagos development), L Esinore, Moreno valley, S corona and see all the newly-constructed malls virtually empty.

The consumer here in Scal is tapped out, which is not being picked up in the local MSM.

Comment by Jingle
2007-05-15 07:01:56

Home Depot is having the same problem in the foothills of Sacramento. Often, they have more employees in than customers in the store, particularly the garden section. And guess what, Lowe’s is building a new store right down the street. They will be splitting a very small customer base. Note to self, sell stock. Go short.

Comment by aladinsane
2007-05-15 07:24:12

I offed all of my stocks about a month and a half ago, including the Despot…

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Comment by Gwynster
2007-05-15 07:26:30

Down here on the west side, the HDs are completely dead too but I also think it has to do with what they stock as well.

We’ll make the trip to Lowe’s in Vac instead of the HD. Lowe’s is always busy and HD never has what we want. HD really needs to rethink it’s stocking plan.

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Comment by outofSanDiegoQT
2007-05-15 08:31:22

Here in south FLA there is a Home Depot on the main blvd in Pembroke Pines (1300 blk) and another newer one three miles away on Miramar Pkwy (1700 blk) and there are grading for yet another one less than 5 miles away again on Pines Blvd (1400 blk). Useless sprawl…

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2007-05-15 07:31:57

The home depot in Loveland has been slow for years. Then a Lowes opened a few blocks away. Both stores have been empty for a long time.

I think that part of the problem is that retail has over expanded. For instance, we have had an Office Depot and Office Max for years. Both places are always deserted (they must survice on business accounts). So what happens? A Staples opens down the street. My router died on Sunday (can’t they make one that lasts more than a year?) so I stopped at Office Max to get a replacement. I was the only customer in the store.

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Comment by peter m
2007-05-15 08:09:05

“I think that part of the problem is that retail has over expanded”

I have a background in business management(Food Service mgt) and it seems to me that there must be decent upside profits in throwing up all these retail chains such as CVS,lowes,staples,Best buy,Target,ect. Basically they are simply large boxy bldgs wth abundant shelves for stacking large quantities of imported goods, staffed by low-level shelvers and cashiers. The minimal operating expenses including state and local taxes, employee costs,utilities, inventory costs, ect. must be far better than the restaurant food service business, which i have experience in calculating profitablity. Plus they are quick and easy to put up and provide instant tax revenues, business license taxes, ect to the local gov’ts, even if they appear to be virtually empty of shoppers most of the time.

No wonder you see these retail chains being thrown up like hotcakes in the new housing/mixed developments sprouting all over the IE, OC, and even in overdeveloped LA county.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2007-05-15 09:41:28

FWIW, we used to have a retail chain out here called ShopKo. When compared to Kmart and WalMart, ShopKo stores were always empty. Then one day, out of the blue, ShopKo announced that they were pulling out of Colorado and closed their stores.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Michael Fink
2007-05-15 04:48:02

School enrollment falling in S. FL, no need to build additional schools:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-ccrowding15may15,0,2343606.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

Another truly shocking article. No crap there are fewer and fewer kids here! You are taxing the parents out of existence, young couples can not afford to move here, and you have spent the past 10 years getting ready for the baby boomers (who are never going to come).

And your suprised that the schools are emptying out?

Comment by flatffplan
2007-05-15 04:49:40

spending increases by edu-crats runs about 5 to 10 times enrollment gain in my county

Comment by az_lender
2007-05-15 06:19:07

No kidding. Being IN a teachers’ union for maybe 5 years made me totally cynical about those unions, and the administrators’ self-serving behavior is even worse, except that the unions’ self-righteousness gets more credibility in MSM.

Comment by Gwynster
2007-05-15 07:12:15

“the administrators’ self-serving behavior is even worse”

word

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Comment by LILLL
2007-05-15 05:15:13

They are emptying out to N. Carolina where school boundries adjust yearly due to extreme influx of families.

 
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Comment by Chip
2007-05-15 21:29:05

Maybe. The people quoted are planners. Their salaries depend on their being projected growth.

 
 
Comment by LILLL
2007-05-15 05:24:42

Discussions of people leaving Fla.
http://tinyurl.com/2moj3m

 
Comment by WT Economist
2007-05-15 05:56:10

Old theory = empty nesters pay taxes, parents with children absorb them. Keep out the young.

New theory = the young work and pay taxes, but more and more of those money goes to seniors as their health deteriorates. Unless they start shipping them out Florida has a problem. In an aging America, whoever has the young wins.

Comment by Sad but True
2007-05-15 06:15:34

That’s an interesting comment.

What appears to be happening is that as boomers move off work scene there is going to be a real shortage of people of working age. That means wages should go up for younger people.

The other way of looking at it is that the whole boomer generation was itself a bubble moving through the economy. Inflation in house prices really started as boomers came of age. Then they got older they started buying second homes (and speculating in stocks and real estate). Now they are starting to retire. As they stop “supercharging” the economy through their sheer numbers, the economy will necessarily deflate to accommodate a new reality.

I know that the cause and effect of this is hard to articulate and/or prove, but it’s interesting all the same.

Comment by Gwynster
2007-05-15 07:19:58

I’ve had similar ideas about the boomer population for years. My only issue is that all the moola that boom generated will now be going to the echo bommers and us X gens will still get the shaft.

However, the primo boomer jobs are being vacated and filled with X gens now. The echo boomers will have to wait their turn while sucking of their parent’s financial teets.

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Comment by chilidoggg
2007-05-15 08:08:29

Wages are certainly rising for young people due to the exiting of the Boomers - the future’s never been brighter for young people born in Bombay.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Phoenix
2007-05-15 07:23:28

Hey “Sad but True,”

Harry Dent said the same thing about boomers back in 1999. Some of what he predicted is seriously wrong (stock boom of 2000 to 2009 would probably have occurred if 9/11 did not happen). But he was right about the boomer bubble. I still think health care stocks are a good thing to get into. Leisure stocks too.

For me, I am going to be 48 in two weeks. I intend to work at least another 20 years - or more! I want to be in my same field - computer software. I like the work and I think eventually I will be able to work from home (or while on “vacation” in a beach house I will be renting at…whereever). I think wages will go up. But there are a lot of boomers caught in this bubble with 2 or more houses that they won’t be able to sell. They will either walk away or have to continue working to pay them off. If they walk away, they get bad credit and will have to work to resolve that issue. If they pay off their homes, they have to work longer to be able to do so. I will only continue working past normal retirement age because I want to.

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Comment by In Colorado
2007-05-15 07:41:34

Your situtation sounds a lot like mine. My concern is age discrimination. I am afraid that I will have a very hard time selling myself as a Software Engineer 10 years from now. My hope is that I can survive the layoff merry-go-round at mega-corp. Fortunately, since I am a new hire my salary is about the median for the job, and I do not have a pension. I am hoping that these two facts will keep the lay off cross-hairs off me for some time. We just had a round of “early-retirements” where the “early retirees” where bribed with being fully vested if they accept the buyout today. Since most of these folks are their late 40’s to mid 50’s, they don’t get to touch their pensions (which aren’t that good anyway) until they are 65, which means they aren’t “retiring” at all but instead will be looking to replace their suddenly lost 90-100K job (good luck).

 
Comment by Sad but True
2007-05-15 07:46:47

Good points. What you seem to be saying is that the unofficial “goal” of retiring when you are 55-60 may go away. Boomers may in fact hang around in the workplace for 10 or more years longer than one might have expected.

My fear is one of a general reset of real estate values back to what they were before the boomer bubble kicked in. For example, my parents’ house, which is a nice house in a nice neighborhood cost 45K in 1972. Does that mean that once the boomer bubble is worked through that the adjusted price for that home ends up being 45K again?

Ditto wages. In ‘72 a decent salary was 12-15K. (I’m guessing here). Do wages also go back to their old levels as well?

 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2007-05-15 08:27:56

My fiancee and I, 40 and 38 respectively, have NO illusions that we’ll ever be able to retire. Certainly not in mid-60s. There is simply no way we can pay for our grandparents and parents… and VERY soon the boomers, while saving for ourselves. No way our kids can pay for the boomers and us.

I too am a software engineer, and hope to be able to work in this field well into my 60s and 70s.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2007-05-15 09:55:32

Good points. What you seem to be saying is that the unofficial “goal” of retiring when you are 55-60 may go away

I depends on you current age. My neighbor works for another “mega-corp” (IBM), is in his mid 50’s and is planning on retiring in a couple of years.

For the younger crowd, unless you work for Uncle Sam, you are saving for your retirement, and if you are lucky your employer might be chipping in a bit to your 401(k). We will get some sort of discounted Social Security benefit, just don’t believe the numbers on the “statements” they are now mailing every year. If they are promising you $1800 per month, be prepared to get only 1200-1300. They will be able to accomplish this easily by fiddling with the COLA numbers every year (which are based on the phony inflation numbers published by the gov’t).

Our ability to retire will depend on our lifestyle expectations and our ability/willingness to save. If we expect to have fancy cars and to take expensive trips, then we will have to work, even of just part-time, into our retirement years (unless of course our savings produce good returns). Another factor is whether we plan on leaving anything to our kids. We can increase our retirement incomes by buying annuities with our savings, but those annuities will die with us, leaving no inheritance.

 
Comment by rms
2007-05-15 11:17:12

“For the younger crowd, unless you work for Uncle Sam, you are saving for your retirement, and if you are lucky your employer might be chipping in a bit to your 401(k).For the younger crowd, unless you work for Uncle Sam, you are saving for your retirement, and if you are lucky your employer might be chipping in a bit to your 401(k).”

Uncle Sam ditched the CSRS retirement plan a long time ago. Today, it’s called FERS, and it is a 401k plan. No paid dental or vision either in their diminishing healthcare plans. The young have few good options to look forward too, IMHO.

 
Comment by lavi d
2007-05-15 13:38:31

Add me as a 50-something SW Engineer.

In Colorado

In my experience, it appears that you can continue to work as a programmer and make good money as long as you are willing to move to where the jobs are. (to paraphrase the late Sam Kinison)

 
Comment by In Colorado
2007-05-15 14:56:29

You mean Bangalore?

 
Comment by In Colorado
2007-05-15 15:06:53

Uncle Sam ditched the CSRS retirement plan a long time ago. Today, it’s called FERS, and it is a 401k plan.

My understanding us that is has both a defined benefit (annuity) component and a thrift savings plan (a la 401(k)) component

 
Comment by In Colorado
2007-05-15 15:06:53

Uncle Sam ditched the CSRS retirement plan a long time ago. Today, it’s called FERS, and it is a 401k plan.

My understanding is that is has both a defined benefit (annuity) component and a thrift savings plan (a la 401(k)) component

 
Comment by rms
2007-05-15 16:44:52

“My understanding is that is has both a defined benefit (annuity) component and a thrift savings plan (a la 401(k)) component.”

You are correct. However, the fat of the retirement is from SSI and your 401k if you were able to contribute to it. My fear is that the SSI part will be subject to screening, i.e., you have $500k in your 401k, so you don’t need SSI…but this alcoholic does, sorry!

 
 
Comment by rms
2007-05-15 16:35:16

“I know that the cause and effect of this is hard to articulate and/or prove, but it’s interesting all the same.”

Daniel Arnold’s work might be of interest.

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Comment by tj & the bear
2007-05-15 23:18:52

Warren Brussee, too.

I think there’s quite a bit of merit to their arguments.

 
 
Comment by tj & the bear
2007-05-15 23:22:50

SBT,

You’re definitely on the right track.

The boomer bulge is a huge economic force, and the downside will be brutal (not to mention that it kicks in just when you think housing might recover).

The worker vs. retiree thing will certainly upset the financial applecart, too. Normal supply/demand will drive up the wages of the workers while depleting the retiree’s resources at a far greater rate than planned.

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Comment by palmetto
2007-05-15 06:18:34

“whoever has the young wins.”

Oh, we got the young here in Florida. Children of illegals, all over the place. You want to see young, come on down! But, if the schools degenerate into gang recruitment centers, seniors might find a shortage of people to empty the bedpans, but a steady supply of home invasion participants.

 
Comment by cactus
2007-05-15 06:22:12

yes scary.

 
 
Comment by 85249 is Toast
2007-05-15 06:26:14

No problem. They’ll just build new prisons instead and pass a few more laws criminalizing more behavior. It’s a growth industry.

Comment by scdave
2007-05-15 08:34:32

criminalizing more behavior. It’s a growth industry ??

Its the biggest scam going…..Sell fear….

Comment by gwynster
2007-05-15 09:12:33

The prison industry is certainly a growth industry in CA. I kid you not.

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Comment by rms
2007-05-15 16:48:55

“Its the biggest scam going…Sell fear…”

I thought the church held this copyright.

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Comment by cheezbubbler
2007-05-15 05:02:57

An editorial (YUK) in today’s Milwaukee Paper:

Congress is right to answer the alarm over predatory lending with tighter controls and help for homeowners at risk of default.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=604874

Comment by flatffplan
2007-05-15 05:10:01

ain’t it great how millions in grants wind up w these helpful welfare type agencies
pay for everyone !
then defaults for everyone bailed by taxpayers

 
 
Comment by Russ Winter
2007-05-15 05:03:46

Sleaze Hasn’t Just Gone Away:

http://wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/winter/?p=767

Comment by John M
2007-05-15 05:55:09

Thanks for noting the Everquest IPO at Bear Stearns. That puppy desperately needs media attention.

Comment by gwynster
2007-05-15 09:06:30

Everquest is also an online game. I have to do a doubletake every time I see that. What they both have in common is the ability to suck massive quatities of productivity and money out of the market.

 
 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-05-15 06:29:35

Excellent post, Russ. The CFC buyout rumors you mentioned bring to mind Realtors who scare buyers into overpaying by lying to them that another buyer is going to make an offer…

‘Are you a rarity in the market seeking to buy a house? Worried that these “bargains” are going away? Not to worry, REO properties at Countrywide are piling up at a parabolic pace. Of course that doesn’t stop CFC insiders from unloading ten of millions in high priced stock. The regular flotation of buyout rumors helps facilitate the process.

“We don’t know where the rumors originated,” Chris Jacobson, senior option strategist at Susquehanna Financial Group in Bala Cynwyd, Pa., told The Los Angeles Times. “But several sources are attributing the strength of the stock to the rumors.”

 
 
Comment by Hoz
2007-05-15 05:20:27

“… “Over the next several months we’re going to see some pretty strong prices on all milk,” said Larry Salathe, an economist and dairy expert at the U.S. Department of Agriculture in Washington. Production needed to bring prices down “takes at least several months, usually a year to two years, to come.”

Skim-milk powder, the benchmark for world trade, has risen 60 percent in six months to a record $1.58 a pound May 4 on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, 74 percent higher than the five- year average. During the first five months last year, prices fell 14 percent. …U.S. inventories of butter, cheese and dry milk peaked at more than 2.7 billion pounds in 1983. The government that year spent $2.5 billion on surplus dairy products to support prices and farmer income. Today, the U.S. has no surplus after selling the 27 million pounds it held in 2005, USDA data show.”

Bloomberg
http://tinyurl.com/23q2cf
Food cost is going to go a lot higher. The government says food is not important and therefore doesn’t count to the CPI since we don’t need to eat and can choose to starve.

Why do these economists believe that food prices should come down in a “year or two”? The world is awash in dollars and these moneys are buying any available foods.

Comment by Lou Minatti
2007-05-15 05:29:45

“Over the next several months we’re going to see some pretty strong prices on all milk,’’ said Larry Salathe, an economist and dairy expert at the U.S. Department of Agriculture in Washington.

I got kids and gotta buy a lot of milk. A gallon of whole milk costs between $3.89 for the generic Wal-Mart brand to $7.08 for the “hormone-free” brand.

Comment by flatffplan
2007-05-15 05:35:42

why is there an FDA ?
I bet even the Soviets have gotten rid of some of these useless agencies
I just thought of a great entertainment event:
the unemployed auto workers vs. fed gov workers in a cage fight to the death

 
Comment by az_lender
2007-05-15 06:28:34

Like many perishables, milk costs enormously more in smaller packages (quarts, for example). My own response to milk price hike will probably be to buy larger packages (half-gallons) and use more of it, an odd violation of normal economic laws.

 
Comment by Eudemon
2007-05-15 06:48:15

Buy powdered milk. It’s much better than it was 20-40 years ago. I can make 8 gallons of milk for less than $3.

Comment by Hoz
2007-05-15 07:13:05

Another example of hedonic inflation

Substitute powdered milk for fresh milk at the same price ergo no inflation.

Or another example of a declining standard of living.

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Comment by anoninCA
2007-05-15 08:11:12

Yes! How about that book shelf with 1/16″ thick real wood veneer pasted on crap, instead of 3/4″ thick solid oak! And, as additional bonus, you’ll have the pleasure of buying 2 or 3 in a lifetime!

 
Comment by Eudemon
2007-05-15 14:05:54

I call a higher standard of living one in which you are able to purchase more TIME and do sooner than other people can.

If you want to live your high standards of living ($5 gallons of milk, RVs, Starbucks, eating out 5 times a week, etc.), please do. In fact, spend yourself into $50-$200K of debt for all I care. Meanwhile, I’ll keep counting all the money I’ve made off your backs as you continue to spend and I continue to invest.

 
Comment by Hoz
2007-05-15 14:25:29

“all the money I’ve made off your backs”

Not from this crowd. You are a victim and don’t even realize it. You are satisfied with an inferior product at full price.

Milk is not a luxury! And if you believe milk is a luxury then you will keep investing in the US stock market and you will continue to lose money as you have for the last 7 years.

So if you wish to live a pikers existence on the crumbs dropped at the tables and call this frugal living - go for it.

I suggest you look up the standard of living and compare from 20 years ago to today.

 
Comment by Eudemon
2007-05-15 17:05:09

I suggest that perhaps you need to re-think “standard of living”.

A victim? Not hardly. I wouldn’t call taking two impromptu sabbaticals (a six-month jaunt to Europe and a four-month jaunt to South America) after telling two bosses to shove it (well, really only one - the other guy I had considerable respect for) indicative of a lower standard of living.

In fact, I’d argue that having the fiscal means and internal assuredness to quit your job with nothing lined up - and actually going through with it, without fear of sacrificing “career” - is indicative of a high standard of living.

A much higher standard of living, in fact, than that lived by some schmuck who runs out and buys a 60-inch plasma so he or she can see (with more clarity!) all the garbage that passes as televised entertainment. Then, to pay for it (and his wife’s granite countertop) the same schmuck spends 50-70 hours a week yammering with co-workers, bosses and clients on cell phones at all hours of the day, seven days a week.

And then he has to go to all those hideous office parties, client outings, etc., pretending all the while to actually be interested in what those around him have to say.

If you consider THAT “the good life”, by all means, pursue it.

Me? I’d rather drink powdered milk.

 
Comment by Hoz
2007-05-15 18:49:43

“I am not sure if I should refute your taunts or pass over them in silence. If such matters appear to a man of your reputation for sense to be as unimportant as they are, I have not much time for such diversion; if they appear important to you, I am surprised at your taste for the absurd.”

You are a victim and don’t know it. LOL

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2007-05-15 08:15:19

Eudemon, what powdered milk brand do you recommend?

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Comment by Eudemon
2007-05-15 13:52:04

Meijer is the powdered milk I buy.

Such a decline a standard of living is powdered milk.

Guess what for all the food snobs out there? I buy about half my groceries at Aldi’s. I see no reason to pay $0.99 for a cucumber from a unionized Jewel or Dominicks. I can get the same at Aldi’s for $0.29. Two toothbrushes are $1.09 at Aldi’s. Now, if you want to pay $3.00+ for the same at your local rip-off grocery store, be my guest. Pinesol? $1.39. Microwave popcorn? $1.19 for EIGHT bags.

And gee, I’m suffering big time here while I continue to remain unemployed by choice, pursuing a master’s degree and paying for it AND my day-to-day living expenses out of CASH. No loans. No need for them.

No sleepless nights, either. No debt.

Now pass me a nice, cold glass of that powdered milk!

 
Comment by Eudemon
2007-05-15 14:25:24

Meijer. I get mine at Aldi’s (here in Chicago).

I also get $0.29 cucumbers at Aldi’s (versus $0.99 at Jewel). Real butter (in four sticks) for $1.79 versus $4.19, two toothbrushes for $1.19 versus $3.29, bagged lettuce for $0.89 versus $2.99 (same brand!), Pine Sol for $1.39 versus $2.89 (both Pine Sol brand); real vanilla extract for $1.79, microwave popcorn for $1.19 (EIGHT bags). The list goes on and on.

What you need to do to save at the grocery store is determine which stores have unionized labor and which do not. By going to a non-unionized store (Aldi’s) for about 70% of all purchases, I figure I cut my food bill by 50-60% a week.

Let’s see….$50 savings/week x 52 = $2,600/year. Invest $2,600 a year starting at age 25 and presto! Millionnaire by age 60 from that alone.

Tell you what. I love having no debt. Being tight means that right now, while pursuing a master’s degree in a different field, I can choose to remain unemployed and pay for both tuition and day-to-day expenses of all types simultaneously with CASH.

No sleepless nights, either! Life is definitely good. Being a ‘Millionnaire Next Door’ type has its advantages.

 
 
 
Comment by But_Im_Not_Dead_Yet
2007-05-15 20:13:21

I buy my milk (lots of it) at the local convenience store. Here in Wisconsin, the Kwik Trip stores sell half-gallons in BAGS (not jugs or cartons) for $1.04 per bag.

If I go to the local grocery store, a gallon jug will costs me $2.79 or more….

 
 
Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2007-05-15 05:34:42

Milk Bubble! MILK BUBBLE!! Everybody get on board the dairy train cuz’ we’re gonna be rich! All of those bitter, lactose-intolerant whiners are gonna miss out on this one…

 
Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2007-05-15 05:34:42

Milk Bubble! MILK BUBBLE!! Everybody get on board the dairy train cuz’ we’re gonna be rich! All of those bitter, lactose-intolerant whiners are gonna miss out on this one…

Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2007-05-15 05:36:52

Sorry about the double-tap. I got so excited that it sorta went off in my hand…

 
 
Comment by P'cola Popper
2007-05-15 05:35:38

Hilarious. I had a conversation about inflation with my uncle and a buddy of his while fishing in Florida last month. I told them don’t talk to my about CPI just tell me about the price of milk.

Comment by In Colorado
2007-05-15 10:01:16

I remember about a year ago you could get a gallon of milk at Sam’s Club for about 2.10. It was 2.80 last time I was there.

 
 
Comment by Brian in Chicago
2007-05-15 05:57:09

Are we going to blame the cost increase of milk on ethanol production too?

Or maybe the cows in California aren’t so happy any more.

This past weekend I was out in my home state of Indiana visiting my parents and drove by two small fields - with last years corn stalk remnants not plowed over yet. So you know they aren’t growing anything there this year. My guess - some developer bought the land…

Comment by 85249 is Toast
2007-05-15 06:16:51

Are we going to blame the cost increase of milk on ethanol production too?
Or maybe the cows in California aren’t so happy any more.

The unusually cold weather will cause the cows udders to get hard making milking them more difficult.

Comment by ex-nnvmtgbrkr
2007-05-15 08:31:53

That’s udderly ridiculous (goin’ for lamest joke of the day)

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Comment by Jay_Huhman
2007-05-15 06:41:54

Ground has been too wet to get tractors in the fields. Our farmers will catch up, this is just the first of the three or four times the crop is given up as lost.

 
Comment by CincyDad
2007-05-15 07:28:20

Could be crop rotation time. Every year the fields around me rotate between corn and soybeans. The old soybean fields need to be plowed under to plant he corn seedlings (they did this last week north of Cincinnati). The old corn fields do not need to be turned under to put in the soybeans. This is happening around me right now.

 
Comment by goirishgohoosiers
2007-05-15 08:56:48

The Indiana state motto should be: Scratch a farmer and you’ll find a developer.

I love to hear the politicians wax lyrical and nostalgic about saving family farms. What a load. The closer the “family farm” is to a growing area, the more the relatives are rubbing their hands together waiting for the knock on the door from the home builder.

 
Comment by Schnooks
2007-05-15 11:06:54

You’re not from Connersville, IN are you? My hometown.. talk about dead town.. so much for sale and major plant Visteon closing down.. my family is suffering.

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2007-05-15 06:56:07

So would our country be the proverbial prized milk cow that is good for 28 gallons of milk a day, although we always seem to tip over 27 gallons of it, in the milking process?

 
 
Comment by KayLaw
2007-05-15 05:23:14

The Wrong Kind of Closings:

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/05/15/Business/The_wrong_kind_of_clo.shtml

The real estate sales slump (Tampa Bay area) is shutting realty offices.

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2007-05-15 05:26:44

Right kind of closing, IMO.

Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2007-05-15 05:41:42

From that article, “Thanks in part to high property taxes on second and vacation homes, beachfront property has taken a pounding, and so have Realtors on the coast.”

Realtors are taking a pounding in the Tampa area. Has anyone seen AugerInn lately?

Comment by auger-inn
2007-05-15 06:00:39

Right here B & C! Just got into the Minneapolis area so I can’t be blamed for any ass-pounding on the beaches! Love the story though!

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Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2007-05-15 06:16:50

THERE you are! I was convinced that you were involved somehow, but you seem to have the perfect alibi… Whenever we hear of relentless poundings in the realtor community, conversation naturally turns to your whereabouts. Its kinda like your “Mark Of Zorro”!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2007-05-15 05:31:25

Observation from the trenches… A couple weeks ago every CNBC commercial break had ads for places still wanting to do refi. Even no doc and fix and flip. I haven’t seen a single refi ad on CNBC in days. I still see them for the local banks on local channels, but the big bubble lenders seem to have stopped advertising.

Comment by eastcoaster
2007-05-15 06:02:33

I saw a Capital One ad last night where the woman had an adjustable rate and it was a “monkey on her back” (literally, a chimp was hanging on her back). The rate kept going up so - ta da! - Capital One to the rescue with a fixed rate lower than prime.

Definitely a sign of the times.

Comment by Ft Lauderdale
2007-05-15 06:27:51

I saw that, funny stuff.

 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2007-05-15 08:34:17

Yep, that one is FUNNY!!!

Comment by speedingpullet
2007-05-15 12:19:26

Funny, but irritiating, in that a chimp is an ape and not a monkey.
Still, trust and ad agency to get the joke wrong… ;-)

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Comment by speedingpullet
2007-05-15 12:21:10

wow, not enough coffee
‘irritating’, ‘an ad agency’

Hoist on my own petard, springs to mind…

 
 
 
 
Comment by Chip
2007-05-15 21:55:01

I still see them running the Ditech ones, with the pleasant looking guy as the tout.

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2007-05-15 05:59:11

According to the WSJ, lending standards are gettting much tougher for non-traditional loans. Gosh, they want drive by appraisals instead of just making up a number! The “tight money” is described as standard practice in the 1990s, and necessary to restore confidence in mortgage bonds (confidence that has only begun to disappear).

Meanwhile, plenty of credit remains available for standard conforming 30-year fixed, according to another article.

Comment by GetStucco
2007-05-15 06:14:57

Also, from p. A2 of today’s print edition:

“Credit Standards Rise for Subprime Loans”

 
 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-05-15 06:11:09

Inflation Newspeak from the WSJ’s web site:

Consumer prices advanced 0.4% last month on strong growth in food and energy prices, but for a second-straight month underlying inflation stayed under wraps with a 0.2% rise, bringing it closer to the Fed’s understood comfort zone.”

Possible translation: Inflation in the prices of stuff people buy was officially running at 4.8% / year (12 X 0.4%), but inflation the Fed is willing to acknowledge was only running at 2.4% / year (12 X 0.2%)…

Comment by the_voz
2007-05-15 06:49:27

the reporting of the CPI is more like a shell game, WTF, retail sales (apparel) -0.4 brought CPI down to tolerable levels?

The jawboning isnt working….

 
Comment by In Colorado
2007-05-15 07:47:27

Buy a Plasma TV instead of food. All will be fine then.

Comment by OB_Tom
2007-05-15 10:12:43

Yeah, let’s eat plasma TVs… And make fuel from corn. It’s all starting to make sense.

 
 
 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-05-15 06:12:48

Home Depot Profit Falls 30% As Housing Slump Hurts Results
By Mary Ellen Lloyd
Word Count: 608 | Companies Featured in This Article: Home Depot, Lowe’s

Home Depot Inc.’s first-quarter profit fell 30%, as the No. 1 U.S. home-improvement retailer continued to struggle amid a tough housing market.

Sales and earnings were weaker than most on Wall Street expected, and Home Depot said the quarter means fiscal 2007 should come in at the low end of its previous estimate for a 4% to 9% decline in per-share earnings.

Shares of the company, a component of the Dow Jones Industrial Average, fell $1.21, or 3%, to $37.80 in premarket trading. Shares of smaller rival Lowe’s Cos., which reports quarterly results on May 21, had not yet traded …

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117922398638203177.html?mod=home_whats_news_us

 
Comment by anon
2007-05-15 06:13:44

I stumbled across this ad on the web for Daniel Webster College which insinuates that renters are dumb, and that you can gauge how successful somebody is by how much they spend:

http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rentersaredumbao7.gif

Clearly not a place to go for an econ degree.

Comment by az_lender
2007-05-15 06:39:05

Yes, I see. The “dope” who rents a 2BR apt with a roommate, and the Daniel Webster grad (?) who “just bought her first condo.” Well, that there explains this whole housing bubble. What they are teaching people nowadays is how to buy condos.

 
Comment by Chip
2007-05-15 21:59:05

That place is a small aviation college, similar to our Embry-Riddle here in Florida. With a total enrollment of barely more than 1,000 students, it’s likely they did not compete with Harvard for their Econ teacher.

 
 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-05-15 06:17:49

Chrysler purchase is fraught with risks
UAW supports the deal for now

By Micheline Maynard
NEW YORK TIMES NEWS SERVICE

May 15, 2007

AUBURN HILLS, Mich. – Can private equity investors fix Chrysler for good, and can they avoid a confrontation with the United Automobile Workers union?

These are the most pressing questions to arise from the deal announced yesterday for Cerberus Capital Management, which specializes in restructuring troubled companies, to pay a total of $7.4 billion to take control of Chrysler, with most of that money to be invested in the newly independent company.

By unwinding a nine-year-old merger between Chrysler and Daimler-Benz of Germany, Cerberus is also taking on Chrysler’s $18 billion obligation for health care and pensions for employees and retirees.

Any efforts to sharply reduce those perks – which Chrysler can afford but says represent a cost burden of $1,500 a vehicle – will probably put it at odds with the UAW.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070515/news_1b15chrysler.html

Comment by palmetto
2007-05-15 07:19:38

Yes, good luck with that. Private equity companies owning any sort of productive entity is a joke. I worked with some folks in South Florida who were employed by a TV station that was taken over by KKR. Private equity firms have no interest in any company they purchase, other than profit. They couldn’t care less about personnel, quality, etc., no matter what they say. If that profit comes about by selling off bits and pieces, so be it. Private equity causes morale and product to suffer. I won’t be buying a Chrysler any time soon.

Comment by the_voz
2007-05-15 09:26:26

how dare you say that in front of so many rednecks in fly over land…

gitter done

 
 
Comment by P'cola Popper
2007-05-15 07:23:28

If I was Cerberus I would make sure that after investing a couple billion in Chrysler and Chrysler’s Pension Fund that Chrysler’s Pension Fund (and the UAW) scratched my back by taking a few billion of toxic CDO/MBS securities off my hands. But that’s just me.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2007-05-15 07:53:12

Chryslers UAW contract expires this year. I am wagering on the following outcome:
1) Healthcare benefits will be cut back. They’ll get HMOs like the rest of us and will have to help pay for them out of their paychecks (again, like the rest of US).
2) Pension benefits will be cut back as well.
3) Buyouts will be made to seriously reduce headcount.

 
 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-05-15 06:50:04

PAUL B. FARRELL
Psych jobs
The 10 myths Wall Street employs in its war on Main Street
By Paul B. Farrell, MarketWatch
Last Update: 7:16 PM ET May 14, 2007

ARROYO GRANDE, Calif. (MarketWatch) — Borrowing a line from Winston Churchill, you could say Wall Street’s a “riddle inside a mystery wrapped in an enigma.” Wall Street is so complex and hidden beneath so many layers of secrecy that myth often seems the only way to understand it.
That’s the message from Hassim Nassim Nicholas Taleb, author of “Fooled by Randomness:” “Myths, particularly well-aged ones … can be far more potent (and provide us with more experience) than plain reality.” He should know, Taleb is one of Wall Street’s best and brightest minds, a mathematician and options trader whose success depends on understanding Wall Street’s mythology. But does myth really trump reality?

Yes, and myth is becoming even more important today. For example: We know Wall Street and Corporate America hate the regulatory spotlight. They also hate dealing with Main Street investors. They prefer the shadowy world of lobbyists, campaign donations and mega-billion-dollar private equity buyouts that take blue-chips off the market and out of the eyes of securities and banking regulators.

More proof? Corporate America and Wall Street are now engaged in a relentless PR campaign to convince Congress and the SEC to roll back “burdensome” Sarbanes-Oxley requirements and other market reforms in order to minimize disclosures, raise the “wall of secrecy” higher and hide as much of their activities as possible from America’s 95 million Main Street investors.

The truth is Wall Street, Corporate America and Washington love the world of secrets, shadows and myths, where Main Street investors and journalists are forced to guess what’s really happening to our money.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/10-myths-wall-street-employs/story.aspx?guid=%7B9AD16225%2D030F%2D4AC6%2D996A%2D6A5C53011E15%7D

 
Comment by Hoz
2007-05-15 06:51:23

““As far as I can tell, people buy `chazzerei’ — candy, ham and stuff like that,” says Paul Kasriel, chief economist at the Northern Trust Corp. in Chicago. “No women, except for Queen Elizabeth, wear hats anymore. People don’t wait for Easter to buy their spring wardrobes.”

Clearly Kasriel doesn’t follow the horses.

Real Declines

What he does do, when he isn’t keeping tabs on women’s fashion, is looking at hard data. He found that inflation- adjusted retail sales fell in both March and April. (He deflates nominal retail sales by the consumer price index for commodities.)

“Revised March nominal retail sales increased 0.97 percent,” he says. “The CPI for commodities increased 1.22 percent in March,” which means real sales fell.

April’s nominal decline of 0.2 percent will translate into a decline in inflation-adjusted retail sales as well.

“Although two consecutive months of contracting real retail sales is not the rarest event, in conjunction with falling house prices, I would conclude that it’s not good,” Kasriel says. …

“It’s clear the consumer has cut back on the pace of spending,” he says. Housing, however, is the main culprit.

Housing demand needs to stabilize before retail-related expenditures on housing can stabilize, he says. Usually there’s a six- to nine-month relationship between the two.

And contrary to the find-good-news-in-everything camp, there are no signs of a meaningful bottom in the residential real estate market just yet.

That’s not a problem for folks who believe in the Easter Bunny. ”
http://tinyurl.com/2mytkz
Caroline Baum
Bloomberg
May 15

Thus we have the Goldilocks economy: It is a fairy tale.

 
Comment by mad_tiger
2007-05-15 06:53:22

Too rich:

NAR Partners With the Center for Responsible Lending and Neighborworks America to Keep Families in Their Homes

WASHINGTON, May 14, 2007 -

The National Association of Realtors®, in partnership with the Center for Responsible Lending and NeighborWorks America, introduced a new brochure today at NAR’s 2007 Midyear Legislative Meetings & Trade Expo. “Learn How to Avoid Foreclosure and Keep Your Home” is the fifth mortgage-related brochure in NAR’s consumer education series.

Comment by aladinsane
2007-05-15 07:00:51

The 6th mortgage related brochure…

“Be aware that it now costs 41 Cents to mail your keys back to the bank.”

 
 
Comment by John Fleming
2007-05-15 07:07:25

Home prices sink 1.8 percent in first quarter, falling for third straight quarter, Realtors report. More soon.

Comment by mad_tiger
2007-05-15 07:20:26

Here is some of the “more” from that report:

“NAR President Pat V. Combs [...] said a flattening in home prices is encouraging. “It appears the worst of the price correction is behind us,” she said.”

Comment by aladinsane
2007-05-15 07:34:32

Puffy Combs…

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2007-05-15 07:33:46

Quick calculation — 2Q06 to 1Q07, median sales price down 6.5% nationally and 9.1% in the Northeast. While real prices peaked in 3Q05, the NAR median peaked 2Q06.

Of course it could be higher 2Q 07 as a result of the subprime debacle eliminating the sale of lower cost homes. Unless foreclosures are included in the data, that is.

 
 
Comment by Amy P
2007-05-15 07:13:04

DC craigslist is showing a brand new Rockville Town Center 3BR/2BA condo going for $3,000 a month. The development is attractive, near the metro, in downtown Rockville MD, and is in-boundary for good schools. Unfortunately, those condos were selling for around $900K. So if the landlord paid anywhere near that, $3K is not going to help much.

 
Comment by Eastofwest
2007-05-15 07:17:04

I heard on the news yesterday where they were talking about the DOW hitting records…..Up 87pts as I write to 13443. At the time Greenspan first mentioned “irrational exuberance” the DOW was 6400 ! Regardless,as mentioned above, most retail #’s are lower yet the mkt. powers foward…based on?

Comment by indiana jones
2007-05-15 07:38:21

Improved exports and the fact that the DOW is composed of large cap stocks which are the last ones to rally in the market cycle.

 
Comment by txchick57
2007-05-15 07:55:31

Margin rule “enhancements” for hedge funds, participation of foreign central banks.

 
Comment by the_voz
2007-05-15 09:31:27

the ability of goldilocks to screw as many bears as possible.

can we give goldilocks a round of applause, she’s been so good to us.

 
Comment by SF Mechanist
2007-05-15 11:22:27

1. Weak dollar
2. Years of trade deficits with cash accumulations in other countries
3. A lot of credit sloshing around right here at home
4. Few, if any, other good asset options…
5. …in fact, solid investments of any kind nowadays seem scant.
ergo…
6. Optimistic speculation that there will be a runnup in the dow.

IMHO

 
 
Comment by motepug
2007-05-15 07:26:12
 
Comment by michael f
2007-05-15 07:27:12

Wide Scope In Ohio AG’s Subprime Legal Plans; Lenders, investment banks, brokers, rating agencies targeted

By: Kate Berry
American Banker, 5/15/2007 — CHICAGO — Ohio Attorney General Marc Dann said he plans to sue mortgage lenders and Wall Street investment banks on behalf of both borrowers and the Ohio Public Employees Retirement System, which invested in bonds backed by subprime mortgages.

“Ohio consumers and bondholders were all ripped off on the same deal,” Mr. Dann said in an interview. “We’re looking at this issue all the way up the line, from bond rating agencies to mortgage brokers to investment banks. There wasn’t just one actor in this. There were decisions being made, and bonds marketed to bondholders who were left holding the bag.”

As foreclosures rise, politicians around the country are trying to allocate blame up and down the mortgage food chain. In recent years several states have passed laws creating so-called assignee liability for the wrongdoings of originators, and some lawmakers in Washington have said that any federal bill addressing subprime lending practices should include such a provision.

Mr. Dann said he expects to file lawsuits in the next few weeks that would allege violations of Ohio’s Consumer Sales Practices Act. That 1972 law prohibits “unfair or deceptive practices” in consumer sales. Legislation that went into effect on Jan. 1 expanded the act to apply to mortgage brokers and nonbank lenders.

Last month, Mr. Dann and John Reardon, Ohio’s Superintendent of Financial Institutions, sued New Century Financial Corp., the bankrupt Irvine, Calif., subprime lender, in Cuyahoga County Court of Common Pleas for unfair and deceptive sales practices under the expanded law.

Mr. Dann said in the interview on Friday that the next round of lawsuits would “expand our New Century suit,” which also alleged violations of Ohio’s Mortgage Loan Act and Mortgage Brokers Act. He declined to identifiy companies that could be named as the defendants in those suits.

Donald Lampe, a partner in the Charlotte office of the law firm Womble Carlyle Sandridge & Rice PLLC, said mortgage lenders are taking Mr. Dann’s statements “very seriously,” by analyzing the New Century lawsuit.

“We have a regulator who has clearly stated his intentions to uphold standards that have to do with a borrower’s ability to repay,” Mr. Lampe said. Remedies under the updated consumer act, he said, are “very severe.”

Ohio has attracted national attention because it has held the distinction of having the highest rate in the nation of loans in serious delinquency - either in foreclosure or more than 90 days late.

In the fourth quarter Ohio had a worst-in-the-nation 3.4% serious delinquency rate, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association’s national delinquency survey.

Policy Matters Ohio reported that new foreclosure filings in the state rose 23.6% last year, to 79,072.

The nonprofit research group estimates there was roughly one foreclosure for every 57 households in the state.

“We have a disastrous situation in some of our cities with a number of vacant and abandoned properties that have blighted neighborhoods,” said Zach Schiller, the research director at Policy Matters Ohio.

Foreclosures have increased dramatically in the past two years and show no signs of abating, he said.

“Nobody is paying any consequences for this,” Mr. Dann said. “Middle-class Ohioans didn’t think Wall Street would put them in a situation where they couldn’t repay their mortgages.”

Last month, Gov. Ted Strickland formed a foreclosure prevention task force to study ways for the state to prevent foreclosure and assist struggling borrowers.

Also last month, Ohio’s Housing Finance Agency began issuing $100 million in taxable bonds to raise money for a program that offers 30-year loans with a 6.75% fixed rate to low- and moderate-income homeowners. The agency has said it may issue another $400 million in bonds this year.

(Ohio stopped short of creating a “suitability standard,” under which lenders would be required to choose mortgage products “suitable” for borrowers and their ability to repay. Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota is expected to sign a bill that would create such a standard.)

Mr. Dann said his office is focusing on two types of loans - those that involved fraud, and those in which homeowners in Ohio were put into loans “that were impossible to repay.” Several state agencies are investigating companies that “aided and abetted the conscious rip-off of homeowners and bondholders,” he said.

Comment by aladinsane
2007-05-15 08:53:33

Lieutenant Dann…

Where were you when you could have done something to stop this, a few years back?

Life is like a box of foreclosure notices…

 
Comment by ronin
2007-05-15 12:22:33

It is good that the state is getting into the mortgage lender business, because the law of unintended consequences says that mortgage lenders in the state of Ohio will henceforth be very reluctant to lend money to any Ohioan other than through the very strictest and most rigorous guidelines.

Fearing being named in lawsuits, mortgage companies will reject borderline borrowers, and demand greater down payments. Likewise, PMI companies will raise premiums.

And all will be very reluctant to loan any money to those with borderline credit, including those trying to refinance from ARMs, Alt-A’s, etc. Worse, through these actions responsible citizens who are just trying to get mortgages or refinance will suffer, although they were never before in danger of foreclosure.

Thus, foreclosures will only accelerate in Ohio, and the state’s distinction will grow. This will have been fostered by politicians (I include AG). The citizens will suffer all the more, and the politicians will continue to blame ‘wall street.’

That this will come about is all as clear as the hand in front of my face.

 
 
Comment by dennis
2007-05-15 07:49:22

You never see the tidal wave! When this market tanks and it will ,the bottom will match this housing bubble dive .

Do I see a depression??????

Comment by txchick57
2007-05-15 07:54:03

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=email_en&refer=home&sid=a1E48NaFIcfw

I have never been so disgusted in 25+ years in this market than I am with it now. Anyone playing up here on the long side is insane IMO. Interestingly, my september index puts have not declined that much.

Comment by Eastofwest
2007-05-15 08:23:25

Txchick, I am practically a luddite when it comes to understanding the market, but what would be a prudent investment going foward?
I have a couple of spec gold stocks,,and the rest sitting ,and watching. I’ve heard bearx , or the like may be good, but I have the feeling we are near the top of this roller coaster ,and curious what would be a prudent idea as we are racing to the bottom? …of course I felt the same way last May,and look where we are…….

Comment by txchick57
2007-05-15 09:00:51

Damned if I know. I have some small cap stocks, some physical gold and index puts. Mostly sidelined until a trendline breaks.

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Comment by PDXrenter
2007-05-15 09:34:30

The wait is the hardest part. I’ve given back a good chunk of what I made on the subprime bust.

 
 
 
Comment by cactus
2007-05-15 09:33:40

The housing bubble was caused trying to prop up the stock market bust of 2000, it looks like this new stock bubble is caused by tring to prop up the housing bust. I know its not that simple but we do seem to have alot of money floating around out there. No Inflation huh? Stock market seems to be inflating.

Comment by GetStucco
2007-05-15 12:29:19

Perhaps a new moniker needs to be coined for this curious cyclical behavior:

buggling = the juggling of bubbles…

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Comment by Hoz
2007-05-15 20:13:03

I am posting late at night since I know this will be seen by few. There is not enough volume, bids or offers for any decent trader to get out of her positions.

The market is crispy and will be burned anon.

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Comment by P'cola Popper
2007-05-16 03:42:46

I believe you are right Hoz and have positioned accordingly. I have done quite well over the past week with putz on the “Usual Suspects” which have been on their down leg even with the rally on Friday and Tuesday. Seems that the big boyz seem to be trying to hold a few above a couple key option strike points i.e. RYL around $42.5, CFC around $40 and TOL around $27.50. Will be interesting to see if these and a few others break through support after the expiration of options on Friday. If they do not break through I will reposition for the expected “snap back”.

With the “snap back” tendency of the many housing related stocks after earnings announcements–do think using staddles and strangles are a good strategy? I have not used any yet but am considering using them on the “UP” leg of the “snap back”. I am still researching this tactic and have not come to any conclusion.

I always enjoy your posts about the Asian markets and your insights.

 
 
 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-05-15 11:10:02

“…playing up here on the long side is insane IMO.”

‘Panic rally’ time…

 
Comment by Van Gogh
2007-05-15 13:41:57

The way these stock markets are acting i think one would have to have the mentality of a Norman Bates to go either long or short. For the most part i have cashed in my chips including gold shares (which i used to hold a lot of). There is just way too much irrationality out there to even come close to thinking you are investing any more. Cash ain’t trash any more, especially when sees what is happening in the real estate markets and this deflation is spreading.

 
 
Comment by the_voz
2007-05-15 09:39:04

markets gonna run till September, as rate cuts are impending for Soft Landing Rebound.

We like the big crashes early Q4 or late Q3, the suspense is killin me

 
 
Comment by DannyHSDad
2007-05-15 08:04:22

“Group calls for halt to defaults Wants reprieve on foreclosures for six months”

In fact, six of the 10 cities with the highest rates nationwide are in the Golden State. Stockton ranked first, with one of every 131 households filing. That’s six times the national rate of one in 783.

California had an overall rate of one in every 400 households, a small dropoff from March, but a 245 percent increase from April 2006.

Among hardest-hit counties in the state, Riverside ranked third and San Bernardino sixth.

[...]
In California, black and Hispanic neighborhoods were almost four times as likely than white neighborhoods to have borrowers with subprime mortgages, according to a study by Stein’s organization.

 
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Comment by polly
2007-05-15 09:52:10

To bend over backward to be fair to Gross, he has said that he isn’t sure if his analysis applies to a housing bubble. He is mostly talking about when new technologies get over invested in (because of a bubble), the bubbles pop, and the infrastructure is left to nurture new ventures in the same area. For example, the internet bubble pops, the early in people who either love risk or are too stupid to see it go bankrupt and leave all sorts of folks with access to the internet and an idea that you might be able to buy stuff on it for the second wave to take advantage of at a more sedate pace. Pets.com died, but google is great. What he can’t do is prove that it wouldn’t have been better to just build up the capacity at a slower rate and not have a bubble at all, but he has a point - as long as you didn’t lose your shirt in the market or lose your job when your company went under, how did the internet bubble hurt you? And now everyone uses it and MAYBE that would have taken longer without the bubble to get it going.

However, there is no new technology in the housing bubble. If the houses were really well built, maybe you could say that a severe over supply of housing will reduce housing costs for a decade or more as the population grows into the increased supply. Maybe after the pop, the extra housing stock will allow buisnesses to reduce costs (ie salaries) because they will be able to locate in areas with an oversupply of housing. Maybe not. Maybe the houses and condos are of such poor quality that no one will want to live in them within 5 years and the long tern effects will be nothing but blight. We’ll have to see.

However, his basic premise, as applied to technology bubbles, isn’t quite as stupid as it sounds.

 
Comment by SF Mechanist
2007-05-15 11:33:27

Yeah, there was something like this mentioned in a slate article a couple days back. Just to nitpick– first of all, coming from an Austrian economics perspective I don’t think there is any such thing as “THE Economy,” but a summation of many separate economies- individual, small business, corporate, and local/state/and federal economies.

So for WHOSE economy was the tech bubble, for instance, good for? Not ma and pa kettle who lost a bundle investing in enterprises with no business model. However, it was certainly good for the tech nerds who reaped a bundle in venture capital. So what’s good for whose economy is always relative.

Furthermore, what the point really argues is that bubbles are good for the industries where bubbles occur… so like the tech bubble of 2000 helped to build the infrastructure and support of the Internet which now we all benefit from. There is a point there, but it’s not about benefitting economies, but rather the development of industries and services that revolve around the internet, or railroads in times past, or I suppose tulip gardeners.

 
 
Comment by Groundhogday
2007-05-15 10:16:06

Update from Pullman, WA:

We might be buying a house soon and am somewhat terrified about buying a house of any kind in any location at this time. So please feel free to poke holes in my (our) thinking.

Home: 2200 sq ft, bi-level, 2001 build, good construction (local custom builder), well maintained, great light, small yard, 4 bed 2.75 bath + family room, solid neighborhood on cul de sac, ok energy efficiency

Price:
- Sold new in 2001 for $202k
- FSBO in Feb 2007 for $299k
- MLS in Apr 2007 for $299k
- MLS in May 2007 for $289k
- Our initial offer last week $265k
- Counter offer $278k
- Our counter counter $270k
(waiting to see what happens)
- At $270k price/mo rent ratio = 180-190
- Appreciating 2001 price at 5% annually gives $271k
- Cost to build same house new in our area ~$310k (I’ve spent considerable time talking to builders)

In a nutshell, we like the house and could see ourselves living there for the next 20 years. We can easily afford the payments on a 15 year mortgage, even while maximizing retirements contributions and relying on just one income. Our logic is that the market value of this home could drop another 10%, but we can’t seem to find any decent house rental options and are tired of living in a two bedroom apartment (2 kids). In the long run we should be okay. (College town, vast majority of rentals are in bad shape.)

I can’t image a forum where I’m likely to find more devil’s advocates, so let it rip. :-)

Comment by indiana jones
2007-05-15 11:11:39

“could see ourselves living there for the next 20 years”

That is easier said than done.

Comment by Groundhogday
2007-05-15 12:55:10

tenure

 
 
Comment by sf jack
2007-05-15 11:16:25

A relative of mine faced a similar situation in the not too distant past and I couldn’t strongly object to buying because of the factors you mention (limited options, family, affordable on one income in 15 years, retirement considerations, etc.).

If you’re looking at being there a long time and can stand the thought of a similar house going for less, perhaps at some point many years into the future, then I think you should do it. 185x rent might be high for that area, but I don’t know how that figure might be different in a college town. Or specifically in Pullman.

But no more counters… if they turn you down, tell them you’re interested in looking at other opportunities. If they eventually get back to you, go back to your $265K figure. Or even lower.

My $0.02.

Comment by Groundhogday
2007-05-15 12:59:23

Thanks Jack,

It is hard to tell whether 185 x rent is high because there are so few nice houses for rent. Pullman has generally maintained high RE values due to extremely tight no growth zoning. In fact, one third of WSU employees live in Moscow Idaho essentially because they can’t afford to buy a home here. (Moscow, however, has become much more expensive during the bubble, is currently way overbuilt, and prices are starting to fall dramatically.)

 
Comment by Chip
2007-05-15 22:14:47

I agree with Jack.

Assume your rent ratio is apples to apples, not the rent for your tiny place versus the cost of the house. If it is apples to apples, that is a very high rent ratio. Me, I’d buy at 150 if I really loved the place; 120 if my priority was a good deal; and 100 for a slam dunk (at least in more normal times). It is hard to imagine that you will not be better off financially by renting the equivalent housing for a while, as all this plays out. IMO.

 
 
Comment by motepug
2007-05-15 17:51:23

You are buying for the right reason, a place to live and put roots down, more power to ya.

It might be priced high compared to rentals, so consider that for your final decision. Maybe rent for a year or two, and join the ranks of us bitter renters :)

Comment by Groundhogday
2007-05-15 20:47:58

I’ve been in the “bitter renter” category for 5 years now and loved every minute of it. Never bought a home in Bozeman, and rented very nice and inexpensive places to live close to campus. Its just a bit harder to do here (though ironically housing is much less expensive to buy).

 
 
 
Comment by OB_Tom
2007-05-15 10:18:42

This guy explains what’s behind “the nation’s extraordinary economic success”: bubbles! And they are good for us!

http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/13/news/economy/bubbles_gross/index.htm
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Here’s a question you might ponder as you Google, on your wi-fi-enabled laptop, for a YouTube video. Without the debacles of Global Crossing, Worldcom, Webvan, Etoys, and a hundred other dot.com flame-outs, would there be a Google today? Or wi-fi? Or YouTube?
The answer, historically speaking, is: probably not.
And therein lies a contrary tale of why investment bubbles - far from being lamentable outbreaks of reckless investor behavior - have been a net positive for the American economy. Indeed, some (including me, in my new book, “Pop! Why Bubbles Are Great for the Economy”) would say that the way Americans have blown, punctured and recovered from bubbles has been a key to the nation’s extraordinary economic success.
After all, the cycles seen in fiber optics and dot-coms back in the 1990s and in real estate this decade - a burst of frantic building and excess capacity, over-the-top hype and vicious competition, bankruptcy and consolidation, losses, self-pity, and finger-pointing - are nothing new. Similar manias surrounded other promising economic and technological developments: the telegraph in the 1840s and 1850s, the railroads in the 1880s and 1890s, stocks and credit in the 1920s.

Comment by GetStucco
2007-05-15 11:42:34

“…stocks and credit in the 1920s.”

So does the guy hold up the Great Depression (aftermath of 1920s bubble) as an example of economic success?

 
Comment by ronin
2007-05-15 12:34:44

Yes, the internet has existed since the 60s. Web browsers and attendant protocols were increasing in popularity since the mid-90s. Companies decided to jump in on this growing popularity, sought and received funding, and featured high and unprofitable equity prices.

The bubble did not cause the internet; the rapid growth in the internet provided an opportunity for the bubble.

Proof: It was not a ‘dot com’ bubble, it was a technology bubble. Sun’s stock shot up, although it had existed since the early 80s, and certainly computers and servers did not get popular because of the tech bubble. Ariba and Commerce One and ITWO shares shot into the stratosphere, and then shot into nothing, but software did not originate with the tech bubble.

This article was probably written by a neophyte who was not aware of technology prior to the bubble blow-out, and has projected his own limited personal experience onto the universe.

 
Comment by Chip
2007-05-15 22:17:47

I’d imagine he doesn’t think much of the “Broken Window Fallacy.”

 
 
Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2007-05-15 10:27:17

“as falling prices for clothing, airline tickets and tobacco products helped restrain underlying inflation.”

Yesterday…I bought 4 rolls of toilet paper @ Ralphs for: $1.00…with this Gov’t report…I can now eat more…as Woody Guthrie says:

“The more you eat… the more you sh*t”

Bugs: Got carrots?

Daffy: “Yes, Bugs I do…a 1lb bag of baby peeled Bakersfried carrots @ Ralphs is on sale @ $1.49…sprayed with pesticide…not organic…read the label…Is it true that Andrea Mitchell gets Alan’s carrots from Martha Stewart’s garden?

 
Comment by Seattle Renter
2007-05-15 10:28:44

Surely a sign of the times to come, an actual headline: “Bank sells house complete with owner’s corpse”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070515/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_spain_corpse;_ylt=Aoez0tACsMrl_yvnPk7SvhbMWM0F

Casey, is that you?

Talk about being consumed with debt…….

 
Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2007-05-15 10:30:59

“Through the first four months of this year, consumer inflation is rising at an annual rate of 4.8 percent, almost double the 2.5 percent increase for all of 2006. The acceleration has occurred in large part because of higher costs for food and energy.”

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070515/economy.html?.v=11

But housing $$$$$$$$$ cost are falling…all is well, nothing to report, move along…

 
Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2007-05-15 10:34:09

Bull sh*t, hog wash, corn pucky…

“Food costs, which have been pushed higher by the increased demand for corn to use in ethanol production, were up at an annual rate of 6.7 percent in the first four months of this year compared with a 2.1 percent rise for all of 2006.”

Bugs: Got corn?
Neil: Yes Bugs, I do…lots of it! ;-)

 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-05-15 11:08:30

Why do realtors prefer to keep their customers in the dark? Does it help them pull off scams, where the customer overpays relative to the actual value of a home? And I am wondering if the following story suggests a violation of antitrust law?

My take:

1) Realtors are the enemies of the truth.

2) If I ever again purchase a home, I will go far out of my way to use Redfin or one of its peers rather than a lying, scamming Realtor.

3) I hope the DOJ wins its case against the NAR’s information monopoly.

http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/public/press_releases/2005/211008.htm
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Brokerage Firm Stops Posting Home Reviews
By James R. Hagerty
Word Count: 347

A discount real-estate-brokerage firm based in Seattle, under pressure from rival brokers, has stopped posting Internet reviews of homes listed for sale.

Glenn Kelman, chief executive officer of brokerage firm Redfin Corp., said the reviews were popular with users of the firm’s Web site. A team of 15 free-lance reviewers, paid by Redfin, toured open houses in the Seattle and San Francisco areas and wrote comments. A sample involving a small San Francisco condo: “Forget about having guests over unless they are willing to sit in the oven, in which case you had best order in.” Though the tone was often irreverent, some of the reviews were favorable.

Redfin stopped posting new reviews on its site late last week to avoid losing its access to information on homes available for sale from Northwest Multiple Listing Service. NW MLS, based in Kirkland, WA, and owned by participating brokers, operates a database of information on homes listed for sale in western Washington State.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117919555466502870.html?mod=pj_main_hs_coll

Comment by sf jack
2007-05-15 11:20:15

“A sample involving a small San Francisco condo: ‘Forget about having guests over unless they are willing to sit in the oven, in which case you had best order in.’ Though the tone was often irreverent, some of the reviews were favorable.”

********

We can review restaurants, automobiles, consumer electronics and all kinds of other things online.

But don’t touch housing. The NAR just won’t stand for that.

Especially overpriced, true POS, that well describes much of San Francisco’s condo stock.

 
Comment by sf jack
2007-05-15 11:22:27

“If I ever again purchase a home, I will go far out of my way to use Redfin or one of its peers rather than a lying, scamming Realtor.”

*******

Myself, as well.

Let’s hope that the traditional realtor business model goes the way of travel agents.

Comment by PDXrenter
2007-05-15 12:00:22

Let’s hope that the traditional realtor business model goes the way of travel agents.

It will. The writing’s on the wall and the latest indicator is the sheer amount of hostility expressed by realtors on the comments page of CBS 60 minutes recent broadcase on the 6% commission being under threat.

There is absolutely no way in H3LL I will ever use a sixpercenter. And I will do my damndest best to educate friends and family about the obscenity of the realtor cartel. I will personally take great satisfaction in every house that changes hands without these parasites getting a huge cut. The GOOD RE agents will survive, and more power to them. But THE CARTEL HAS TO GO.

Comment by GetStucco
2007-05-15 12:24:07

“The GOOD RE agents will survive, and more power to them.”

The GOOD RE agents will adapt, by starting up or working for online firms that work to increase, not hide, information from their customers. This practice of deliberate withholding of information actually decreases the number of homes that sell relative to what might occur with fuller and more accurate information, though the morons that perpetuate it may well be unaware of the fact…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Market_for_Lemons

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Comment by Chip
2007-05-15 22:25:43

Absolutely right, in my case. There are a large number of towns in the South in which I’d be interested to buy or build my one place. But I’ve noticed that in realtor.com more and more information is excluded — though it varies by MLS system it seems. There are places that I will not bother to research further or drive to, just because of that. Had they given me what I wanted, including at least the age of the house and the approx. square footage, I might have stayed interested,. The ones that get my business, so to speak, are the ever-fewer ones that also include a street address, so I can plug it into my navigator and drive by before even talking to an agent. They are shooting themselves in the foot, big-time, by reducing the information that is available on that site.

For that matter, and it’s too late in the evening to reach almost anyone on this, I think that all of the FSBO sites should cooperate in creating or supporting a master Web site that competes with realtor.com — so that Help-U-Sell, Buy Owner and all the others can post their listings there.

 
 
 
 
Comment by the_voz
2007-05-15 14:45:51

never used an agent, never will.

an offer, a handshake, and a title company to dot the i’s and cross the t’s…

whats happened to this country? Nobody can say or do anything for themselves, a nation of spoon-fed idiots. sad really.

Comment by Chip
2007-05-15 22:28:04

Unfortunately, that only works for properties that are not listed with an agency — the vast majority of available properties are, in every market I know of.

 
 
 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-05-15 11:12:13

At least the glass is 1/3 full… (No comment on the other 2/3?)
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ECONOMIC REPORT
Home builders’ confidence falls back to 16-year low
By Rex Nutting, MarketWatch
Last Update: 1:05 PM ET May 15, 2007

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Tightening lending standards shook U.S. home builders in May, sending a gauge of their confidence back down to a 16-year low, an industry trade group reported Tuesday.

The National Association of Home Builders/Wells Fargo housing market index slid three points to 30 in May, matching the 16-year low set in September. Economists were predicting the home builders’ index would remain at 33, according to a survey conducted by MarketWatch.

The results show that roughly one-third of builders have confidence in the housing market.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/home-builders-confidence-falls-16-year/story.aspx?guid=%7B9FC95AF0%2DE6C0%2D46F1%2D8050%2DE5C544D6B2F2%7D

Comment by GetStucco
2007-05-15 11:13:14

16 years ago was 1991 — near the onset of the last bust in SoCal. Prices dropped for six subsequent years (but don’t worry — it’s different this time).

Comment by sf jack
2007-05-15 12:28:13

It may be different.

Eight years. 10 years. Longer…?

 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2007-05-15 11:54:07

For those of you considering buying a house somewhere…

Mother Nature has probably altered the climatical conditions, that used to be tried and true, and this fact alone, means you should buy nothing, until we get a better grasp on what she’s up to.

For every bad reaction weather wise, there will be good reactions.

Which burbs’ will win?

Minot, N.D.?
Yellowknife, Canada?
Spitzbergen Island?

 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-05-15 12:25:59

I hope Jerry Brown takes careful notes on this development…
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Ohio Attorney General Targets Wall Street for Lending (Update1)
By Jody Shenn

May 15 (Bloomberg) — Ohio Attorney General Marc Dann, likening the subprime lending industry to armed robbers, said he wants to sue securities firms because their bond sales enabled consumers to get mortgages they couldn’t afford.

Ohio has already won the right through a lawsuit to review foreclosures by New Century Financial Corp., the bankrupt Irvine, California-based lender. Dann may add investment banks and credit-rating firms to the case or bring new suits, perhaps using Ohio’s civil version of the federal Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, he said in an interview today. The RICO law is used to target organized crime and drug rings.

“If somebody was buying guns and giving them to people to go and take people’s houses at gunpoint in Ohio, we’d be prosecuting them and throwing them in jail,” Dann said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aJJLlZNjf9PI&refer=home

Comment by Cobradriver
2007-05-15 19:50:34

Getstucco,

I talked to a whole lot of family this last weekend about some of this crap coming out. There is a lot o hatred about this because most people understand its the heloc crowd thats a major cause of problems.

I have a feeling that if they get to carried away with bailing people out its gonna bite em in the ass…

Chris

 
 
Comment by NoVa RE Supernova
2007-05-15 14:46:12

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2007/3418mbs_losses.html

Mortgage Securitizers Hiding Huge Losses.

The Spring months are likely to see extremely large securities losses breaking out in “mortgage-backed securities” (MBS) which have been the international banks’ essential tool in creating the now-exploding U.S. and other housing bubbles. These losses, which various investment bank reports are now estimating at up to $100 billion, may, in fact, become much larger than that, as the fall in home prices accelerates. They will hit those banks, and commercial banks as well, exposing how worthless are the large part of their assets which are based on the mortgage bubbles.
Since 2005, two-thirds of all mortgages have been “securitized”—sold by the lending companies to investment banks, which in turn package and sell them as high-profit securities, building a huge mortgage bubble over $15 trillion. In 2006, one-quarter of all the U.S. banking system’s $12 trillion in assets were based on residential real-estate mortgages and residential MBS, the bubble which is now blowing out.

 
Comment by Ghostwriter
2007-05-15 15:12:48

Groundhogday, I don’t know what area you are from, but in the midwest a bilevel sells one step above a modular. A split level is one step above that. Here we can barely give them away, and they sell way less than the same square footage in a ranch, cape or two story. They are one of the cheapest houses to build and one of the hardest to sell later. Think long and hard before buying a bilevel over a ranch, cape or a two story.

Comment by Chip
2007-05-15 22:30:57

That sounds like what we call a “split foyer” in the South. Very difficult to re-sell. I’d never own one.

 
 
Comment by NoVa RE Supernova
2007-05-15 15:19:39

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2007/3418mbs_losses.html

The mortgage securitizers who created the housing bubble are now hiding huge losses.

 
Comment by Sally
2007-05-15 18:15:13

On my street in Mira Mesa (San Diego), there are now 5 houses for sale versus none one year ago. The three for which I saw prices for were asking between $525k and $585k. These prices seem to be not far off from the highs we had at the peak. Three of these are occupied by long-term owners, and the highest priced one has only been occupied by the current owners for about a year. I think they are all being unrealistic about their asking prices. These homes are only 1400 - 1600 square feet on 3500 square foot lots.

 
Comment by uptick
2007-05-16 13:53:11

“Make an offer before it’s gone! Any offer… ”

Oxymoron. One of the re-pos in Sacramento.

 
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