The Froth Is Off And The Foam Has Subsided
The Star Tribune reports from Minnesota. “When Jerry Loh sold property he owned along the Gunflint Trail several years ago, he put the money right back into real estate, buying a condo in Florida and two pieces of land along the North Shore. His plan was to sell the Minnesota tracts to a developer for a tidy profit that would help finance his retirement.”
“Three years later, he’s still waiting. Loh dropped the price $35,000 on one of the parcels and $110,000 on the other. Still no offers. ‘Four years ago you could have sold this no matter what,’ said Loh, referring to his 11- and 19-acre hillside parcels. ‘There’s definitely been a pullback.’”
“‘The froth is off and the foam has subsided,’ said Scott Harrison, a longtime developer. ‘It’s been sobering for people to realize that real estate can’t grow 20 percent on an annual basis.’”
“Two years ago, real estate appraiser Holly Harwig was so busy she hired her son to help manage the volume through the summer. Today, she works alone and is down to two appraisals a week, leaving her with enough spare time to (do) things she couldn’t even consider two years ago when she was doing at least two appraisals a day.”
“From time to time Harwig comes up with a number that’s less than the one assigned by the County Assessor’s office. ‘It’s a rarity, but it’s happened more than I’ve ever seen,’ she said.”
The Journal Sentinel from Wisconsin. “The number of unprofitable banks in Wisconsin jumped in the first quarter, part of a national trend in which a challenging interest rate environment and lagging mortgage market are squeezing bank earnings.”
“The percentage of Wisconsin savings banks, banks focused mostly on mortgage lending, that didn’t turn a profit in the first quarter was 21.6%, up from 8.1% a year earlier, according to a new report by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.”
“David L. Donihue, a bank consultant in Milwaukee, said mortgage-oriented banks that benefited from refinancing until last year are seeing the biggest dip in earnings.”
“‘Banks that put heavy reliance on refis, their profits are either down or they’re losing money,’ he said.”
The Courier from Iowa. “All of the housing numbers were down in the first quarter for the Cedar Valley when compared to 2006. Statistics for foreclosures are difficult to obtain, but the Black Hawk Abstract Co. tracked the total number of foreclosures in Black Hawk County, including commercial.”
“The numbers showed an increase in average monthly foreclosures from 23 in 2005 to 29 in 2006. So far in 2007, the average number of monthly foreclosures has shot up to 33.25.”
“‘The foreclosures are up all over,’ said Karen Atwood, CEO of Consumer Credit Counseling Services of Northeast Iowa. ‘The subprime market has contributed to this.’”
“‘People just cannot meet those high-interest loans,’ said Atwood. ‘It forces people to use credit cards to pay bills as they try to keep those subprime loans good. Eventually they go bad. And it is bad for the entire community as it causes people to lose faith in buying a home.’”
The Naperville Sun from Illinois. “The threat of foreclosure affected 57 percent more Naperville families in 2006 than it did in 2005, according to a recent report by a Chicago affordable housing advocacy group.”
“‘The 2006 numbers were in some ways just the tip of the iceberg,’ said David Rose, the National Training and Information Center analyst who authored the report. ‘There were a lot of these ARMs written out there, and there are a lot of them that are going to reset this year, and I suspect that in 2007…it is going to be an even worse year.’”
“Rose is concerned about what this trend may mean to home buyers. ‘I worry right now that the industry may go a little bit the opposite direction and start really tightening up on credit, and it may be more difficult to get a loan,’ he said.”
“He’s also worried about the impact an ‘influx of relatively less expensive houses’ is going to have on the market, as banks that foreclose on homes typically sell them ‘for whatever they can get to cover their investment.’ That means residents looking to sell homes in the same neighborhoods as these foreclosed properties might not be able get the price they want, Rose said.”
“‘A foreclosure in your neighborhood is going to reduce the value of your property. It’s as simple as that,’ he said.”
The Journal from Illinois. “The number of foreclosures on homes in Des Plaines nearly doubled from 2005 to 2006, according to a study done by the NTIC. According to their data, Des Plaines has seen an almost 300% increase in foreclosures since 1993, and from 2005 to 2006, the number of foreclosures went from 100 to 195, a 95% increase.”
“NTIC’s study found a 36% increase in Chicago foreclosures from 2005-2006, the largest increase in 15 years, as well as sizable increases in Arlington Heights (30%), Buffalo Grove (58%), Glenview (73%), Elk Grove Village (24%), Mt. Prospect (34%), Prospect Heights (23%) Niles (67%), Wheeling (86%) and Schaumburg (70%).”
“‘It’s pretty clear that almost half of the foreclosures in 2006 were early defaults, meaning they were on loans that were less than 24 months old, and about 40% were ARMs (adjustable rate mortgages),’ said NTIC Executive Director David Rose.”
“Of the 195 foreclosures in Des Plaines in 2006, 48% were early defaults, and 38% were early defaults from ARMs, according to the NTIC data.”
“The result of these foreclosures, according to Rose, is often a decline in property values throughout the neighborhood. ‘We’re seeing boarded up homes in neighborhoods we would’ve never seen them before,’ he said. ‘We’re talking about homeowners to begin with, so we’re not talking about really, really poor people.’”
“‘When we started working on this, it was basically high cost loans that were getting people into trouble. Now it’s these ARMs that aren’t covered by the Illinois High Risk Home Loan Act,’ said Rose.”
“The state law was intended to shield people from predatory lending, but according to NTIC data, 92% of the 2006 foreclosures had low interest rates that fall out of the scope of state protection.”
The Citizen Patriot from Michigan. “The number of homes entering foreclosure in Jackson County has skyrocketed from 88 in 1997 to 874 in 2006. This year’s number could break county records. More than 420 homes in Jackson County have been listed as foreclosed since January.”
“‘The way things are, it doesn’t matter what neighborhood you’re in, there’s probably a home that’s been foreclosed on,’ said Jackson city Assessor Jan Markowski.”
“Jackson had an upswing in new mortgages and refinanced properties in 2004 and 2005 when interest rates were less than 5 percent, said Mindy Reilly, register of deeds for Jackson County. ‘Now we’re seeing the consequences of that,’ she said.”
“Acting County Administrator Randy Treacher has been getting monthly updates on the number of foreclosures in the county for about the past year. ‘That’s not something any of us expected,’ Treacher said. ‘Foreclosures are to be expected in a down economy, but not at the rate they’re going here.’”
From Ohio
‘Flashy new condos in the Arena District and the rest of Downtown bucked the regional and national sales downturn last year. But so far this year, sales have dived to fewer than half the number at the same time in 2006.’
‘Of 18 townhouses at Rich Street Walk built last year at 579 and 587 E. Rich St., four have sold, Franklin County auditor’s records show. At the Terraces on Grant, 196 S. Grant Ave., 15 of 44 condos remain unsold after two years.’
‘In Wisconsin, Foreclosures.com reported foreclosures through the first four months statewide ran 23 percent ahead of the pace in the same period last year.’
‘And in Minnesota on May 25, there were 2,870 properties in foreclosure or pre-foreclosure, 56 of them in St. Louis County, according to the online tracking firm. These numbers seem all but certain to grow in the months ahead.’
‘Reacting in large part to the wave of subprime lending foreclosures in the Twin Cities, more than 3,000 so far this year, Minnesota is beefing up the penalties for predatory mortgage lending practices.’
It was in a bowling alley in Inver Grove Heights, MN where I got my first lesson in the sleaziness of subprime lending. It was rampant in the Midwest. Nobody should be kidded into thinking this bust will only impact Nevada, Arizona, California, Florida and other truly bubbly areas. This is a nationwide disaster.
It’s almost surreal to see how many cities are caught up in the downtown condo craze. Sure there are a few people who don’t mind paying $250K for a 1 bedroom 650 sq-ft place. But consider the sheer number of condos built. It seems like there will be a glut in most major cities for years to come. I wonder what we will think in 20 years time.
There will be lots of cheap downtown apartments as all these $250K+ condos get turned into $600 a month rentals.
Darrell
What I want to know is who is going to buy all those condo’s buy the football stadium. Have you been down there? There must be hundreds of condo’s going up.
It’s equally surreal to see how many local politicans got caught up in the myth of perpetually rising property tax revenues from those same condos. What will the next 20 years of municipal finances look like? Maybe a little like NYC in the 70’s - or worse?
You are feeling very hungry for a nice cut of subprime beefing, Twin City Style…
‘Reacting in large part to the wave of subprime lending foreclosures in the Twin Cities, more than 3,000 so far this year, Minnesota is beefing up the penalties for predatory mortgage lending practices.’
she hired her son to help manage the volume through the summer.
aka…he had no experience, but she had guaranteed 24 hour turnaround time to her mortgage broker clients, so he ran around doin’ the inspections and computer cans while she signed the reports
as having done them herself.
After 23 years in the biz, I always thought I was doin’ pretty good gettin’ maybe 1 to 1.5 appraisals done in a 8/10 hour day.
I always find it interesting how all the newly minted appraiser’s have been able to do 2, 3, or even 5 a day.
hehehe…
These MBS paper holders ain’t got a clue.
Garbage in-garbage out.
How hard could it have been for them? I’m sure she was told which number to hit. She tells her son which number to put on the piece of paper, he writes it down, bam, 5 appraisals per day.
MB Renter~
The big scam in the appraisal biz for the high volume bucket shops/individual appraisers was to ignore the Limiting Conditions provision which states “the appraiser certifies” he has made an exterior inspection of all comparables utilized in this report”.
The inspections are important because it allows the appraiser to visualize observe the quality of the home; how it’s presented on the site; whether there were any exposure to adverse economic obsolescences, etc., etc.
Well…in my area, some computer hotshot found out a way to download the “sold” photos from the MLS listings books which circumvented this inspection process, thereby pretty much making Uniform Standards of Professional Appraisal Practice reporting requirements a joke.
hey…hey…no more driving a bazillion miles to look at comp’s.
Computer can the phraseology in the comment sections and download the comp pics from the MLS…voila done in a couple hours.
Hey, who wants 24 hour turnaround times?
Now think of what this broad was earning with her “measily” 2 a day.
I think AZ Lender threw out the $400/$500 appraisal fee number. We’ll use $450.00
2 x $450 = $900.00 x 6 days (I add an extra “greed” day…WTF, I had one appraiser say doin’ the work was as easy as pickin’ up $100 bills off the sidewalk)
So…$5400 x 48 weeks = $259,200.00 or say $260,000.00.
Now this is for a “profession” where the only educational credential required by the state licensing boards was a high school degree.
You can easily see why thousands were beatin’ down the doors to get into the biz.
And when you got thousands beatin’ down the door, it becomes real easy for the L/O sleazebags to eventually find a sufficient number of rubber stamp number hitters to make the whole rotten system go.
People don’t have a clue how big this fookin’ mortgage scam is.
Yeah but the real question is who ran the lemonade stand after holly’s son left the business?
You missed the best part, IMO:
“From time to time Harwig comes up with a number that’s less than the one assigned by the County Assessor’s office. ‘It’s a rarity, but it’s happened more than I’ve ever seen,’ she said.”
Really? Even now you’re assessing home values high enough to be higher than the gov’t thinks they are, enough to think the opposite is a rarity? Cha-ching!
When foreclosures started to increase on the south side of Chicago the RE bulls brushed it off, “it’s only affecting small amount of lower end areas”. Now that we are seeing it in upper scale burbs like Naperville and 73 of 77 Chicago neighborhoods they are using the spin, “the numbers aren’t significant enough”. I think they believe this is the peak of foreclosures. They might want to think again.
Test
I live in Naperville and we are thinking to buy (before we thought in 2008 now we think 2009 is more realistic) in the area.
We are amazed how delusional people are in the West suburbs about prices. They all want to get 100k profit after buying in 2001-2005.
Also we are concerned of the amount of Russians (new inmigrants) buying old houses in the last three years which are now in the market with up to 150k mark-up…did someone write a real state success story in Pravda (flip this house style)?
I have also seen several properties for sell which are REO or in the foreclosure process. I got the information from the county, real state agents didn’t say it, neither MLS info.
‘the numbers aren’t significant enough’
Or it’s coming from such a low base’, etc. Then one day the roofs caving in.
You’ll see similiar reports of large percentage increases coming out of Chicago for the next 2-3 years. At some point the bulls will have to pay attention.
The MortgageSlaves and Savings Banks in Minnesota and Wisconsin thought that they were Bubble Proof compared to the housing price runups of the Coasts.
The MSM hidden fact that is that they are pretty deep debt through the refi’s and HEWS and the losses of their banks profitability this early into the BUST are a VERY good indication of this.
It’s very early in the game and this is NOTHING compared to what is coming with the Credit Crunch and the and the mortgage resets.
Hang onto your hat and MONEY folks !
‘It’s been sobering for people to realize that real estate can’t grow 20 percent on an annual basis.’”
People must have been really, really drunk.
I don’t care who you are … that’s funny right there.
“People must have been really, really drunk.”
Commode-hugging drunk, as we called it in college!
“Commode-hugging drunk, as we called it in college!”
You’d have thunk they would have been able to clearly see the froth and the foam from that vantage point.
Sub-Teaser Prime, when you want a really frothy head of beer to just get commode hugging drunk……try it now before it dries up…
Sub-Teaser Prime, Ahhhhh…..more refreshing than Kool-Aid!
It’s been sobering for people to realize that real estate can’t grow 20 percent on an annual basis.’”
It never ceases to amaze me the number of people that do not have a clue on a day to day bases of what is happening in the world. We will never be able to educate all of these people about numbers and relationships and what is normal in housing or any other market. If it is not housing it will be this stock market next that takes a hit as it is truly over valued!
Today I got yet another sales packet from the Ken Fisher gang. (That’s what I get for identifying myself in order to read ONE of their on-line thingys.) Arguing that all those share re-purchases are reducing the supply of equities, which has to make them go up, right? Momentum investing may sometimes be effective, but I’m not interested in propping up silly prices. Even if I accept Fisher’s view that P/E rise to match the reciprocal of bond yield, it just means I must continue to find fixed rates of return better than 7%. Not so hard to do.
Az_lender,
if you don’t mind saying, who do you use to buy your Icelandic bonds?
“‘The froth is off and the foam has subsided,’ said Scott Harrison, a longtime developer. ‘It’s been sobering for people to realize that real estate can’t grow 20 percent on an annual basis.’”
Sounds like it is about time for the locally frothy market to get flushed down the toilet.
I’m more interested in the smaller banks showing losses. Consecutive series of losses = big problem.
We are advertising for a home companion to stay with my mother-in-law, who has Alzheimer’s…just got a “resume” from a real estate broker…stated the reason she left real estate was “conflicted with personal growth issues”.
Seems like there will be lots of ex-broker types looking for work.
The “froth and foam” is going to be re-found at the local Starbucks.
Probably not the best live-in-care taker candidate for your Mother…. But then again you said it was your mother-In-Law so who knows
Actually I was talking with my wife last month about baby boomers, tons of vacant upside down homes in the sun belt, over priced nursing homes and an idea to get government backing for group homes for elders… God your scenario may be the ugly reality… old lady’s alone, a paid off sfr and an out of work realtor… can only go one way.
“When Jerry Loh sold property he owned along the Gunflint Trail several years ago, he put the money right back into real estate, buying a condo in Florida and two pieces of land along the North Shore. His plan was to sell the Minnesota tracts to a developer for a tidy profit that would help finance his retirement.”
“Three years later, he’s still waiting. Loh dropped the price $35,000 on one of the parcels and $110,000 on the other. Still no offers. ‘Four years ago you could have sold this no matter what,’ said Loh, referring to his 11- and 19-acre hillside parcels. ‘There’s definitely been a pullback.’”
Lo and behold, Poor Mr. Loh will only get low-ball offers and sell at lowly prices causing low self-esteem and a low bank account amount. If only his name were High…
At least his low self-esteem will be the first time in his life that he has shown good common sense.
The article didn’t make it clear if he was going to lose money on these lots or not even if he did sell at less than his original retirement “goals”.
Except, Mo, that he just bought the Florida condo and the Minnesota land “a few years ago.” He’s screwed.
I’d still want to know how much he made from his original sale before declaring him screwed instead of just greedy. I’m assuming the Florida Condo is for retirement purposes so he may take a paper loss on that but still has a place to live.
The Star Tribune reports from Minnesota. “When Jerry Loh sold property he owned along the Gunflint Trail several years ago, he put the money right back into real estate, buying a condo in Florida and two pieces of land along the North Shore.
Pity the Fool who bought the property on the Gunflint Trail. At 40 degrees below in the DEAD of Winter and a recession, it leaves a WHOLE lot to be desired including a frigging job.
I really hope that he sold old Jeremiah Johnson the chainsaw, winchester, the bear traps and threw in a BIG flare gun and a survival manual.
He’ll need them all…along with the snowplow.
Up there, it’s one long hard winter and definitely NO PLACE for the faint of heart or tourists Pilgrim