A Breather In The Market
The Rocky Mountain News reports from Colorado.”The number of new and previously owned homes sold in the six-county Denver area fell by 10.6 percent in the first quarter, compared with the first three months of 2006. The report shows that the median, or middle, price of all homes dropped 1.3 percent to $235,000 from $238,000 in the first quarter of 2006 in Adams, Arapahoe, Boulder, Denver, Douglas and Jefferson counties.”
“‘There is no evidence of a rising market, no matter how you slice it,’ said Andrew LePage of DataQuick.”
“And the Denver area is in a different part of the cycle from other previously hot markets, such as Las Vegas and Phoenix, he said. ‘You have been weaker longer than other markets and did not have the run-up in prices in 2004 and 2005,’ LePage said. ‘Your market stands out because it has been the flattest the longest. But at what point Denver might level off is hard to predict.’”
The Denver Post from Colorado. “‘The national media would have you believe that the housing market in this country is getting trashed,’ said Vectra Bank Colorado economist Jeff Thred gold. ‘The reality is that new- (and existing-) home sales…posted their third-best year ever (in 2006). It just wasn’t as good as 2004 and 2005.’”
“Thredgold points to data from the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight showing that from the first quarter of 2006 through the first quarter of 2007, Colorado homes appreciated 3.3 percent.”
“The numbers don’t lie. These data are based on sales and refinancings. So why aren’t they reflected in my neighborhood? Less than a block away from my Arapahoe County abode stands a house that may have fetched $550,000 or more when it was built a few years ago. Bank-owned after a foreclosure, it has stood vacant for months, its lawn replaced with weeds.”
“A real-estate agent who works the neighborhood told me the bank would gladly take $450,000 at this point.”
“In the first quarter of this year, 72 percent of the foreclosures occurred in homes with a loan amount of less than $200,000, according to a report by the Genesis Group. Not surprisingly, these homes missed out on the average price appreciation OFHEO tallies for all Colorado homes.”
“Homes that sold at between $170,000 and $300,000 have seen zero appreciation over the past year, the Genesis Group reports. And homes for less than $170,000 have seen a 15 percent decline.”
“As a whole, the Denver metro area has also missed out. For 2006, the seven-county area posted a 4.2 percent price decline, according to the Genesis Group.” “‘I would expect to see stronger Colorado home-price appreciation in 2007 and 2008,’ said Thredgold.”
“Jeff Englestad, a professor at the Franklin L. Burns School of Real Estate and Construction Management at the University of Denver, isn’t so bullish: ‘I would not shy away from buying one house right now but wouldn’t be buying a bunch of rental houses, either.’”
The Arizona Daily Star. “The Tucson housing market downturn hasn’t bottomed out yet, but the end is near. The low point on the fever chart will be logged sometime in the next nine months, said John Strobeck, housing analyst and owner of Bright Future Business Consultants.”
“Right now, a home buyer could have his or her pick of nearly 10,000 homes for sale.”
“‘We’ve been saying this is a good time to buy because there’s a breather in the market,’ said Rick Hodges, CEO of the Tucson Association of Realtors. ‘There’s inventory out there and rates are still low, but that’s not going to last very long.’”
“Around 7,000 homes will be sold this year, and that’s around the same as in 2003, before things really heated up, Strobeck said.”
“But the downturn will have broad effects on jobs and the local economy. The sale of new homes contributed $2.3 billion to the local economy last year, and that might not reach $2 billion this year.”
“‘A half a billion dollars taken out of the Tucson economy is a good chunk of money,’ Strobeck said. ‘That would be like closing Davis-Monthan (Air Force Base).’”
The Review Journal from Nevada. “Local housing starts slipped in May, data show, reflecting a national trend. Home Builders Research reported that there were 1,724 new-home permits in the Las Vegas Valley in May. The 2007 tally is at 7,934, a year-to-year decrease of 4,154, or 34.4 percent, the company said.”
“‘I think we’re going to see permits staying flat, at best, until late 2008 or early 2009,’ Home Builders Research President Dennis Smith said. ‘We’d like to see things turn around faster, but unless we see resales start to move some inventory, I don’t we’ll see it change.’”
In Business Las Vegas. “Las Vegas is surrounded by desert and open space, but the limits of available land, its high price and the need for affordable homes will continue to drive density increases in the valley, a panel of experts said.”
“The need for density is driven by affordability, said John Ritter, chief executive of Focus Property Group. A boom in the housing market pushed prices to the point where they are no longer affordable, and that led to the slowdown in the industry, he said.”
“‘Land values are not going to come down,’ Ritter said. ‘So how do you build more affordable homes or attached products and still be able to deliver to the marketplace great products and affordable products. It is clearly through density.’”
“‘When you look at the housing market in 15 years, if you want to buy new, it will be attached,’ said Tim Sullivan, president of the Sullivan Group Real Estate Advisors.”
The Ely Times from Nevada. “Development of the master-planned Coyote Springs community 50 miles from Las Vegas is coming along on schedule, with the first production model village set to open in less than a year, an executive for the primary home builder said.”
“There have been no delays or scaling back of plans for the 43,000-acre bedroom community, said Klif Andrews, division president of Pardee Homes.”
“‘Not at all. I don’t know where that comes from,’ Andrews said in response to reports that Coyote Springs has become a victim of the slowing housing market.”
“Pardee entered an agreement with Coyote Springs developer Harvey Whittemore in 2004 to build about 7,000 homes on the first 2,000 acres. The homes were originally scheduled to be finished this spring. The community has been approved for 159,000 homes.”
“‘That’s really a function of our delays with the general improvement district and delays associated with the water treatment and sewer facility,’ Whittemore said. ‘It doesn’t have anything to do with the market at all.’”
“Despite the glut of homes on the market for sale, Andrews said, he’s confident Pardee will deliver its first housing units at Coyote Springs by the end of 2008.”
“Lincoln County Sheriff Kerry Lee, who meets with the developer at least once a month, said he’d heard the Clark County side wasn’t going to be as big as originally planned. He said developers had lightened up the density and increased open space.”
“‘We heard it was going to be coming in two years, then we heard it would be five years and then 10 years,’ Lee said.”
“‘It looks like one of those things that’s too big not to happen,’ said Larry Murphy, president of Las Vegas-based SalesTraq. ‘When you’ve got that many dollars and that many players, they’ve got too much in it not to go through with it.’”
“‘Coyote Springs is creating a new destination in the Las Vegas sphere of influence,’ housing consultant Tim Sullivan said. ‘With the golf orientation, a dying breed in the west because of the lack of land, multiple home types and village core, they’re establishing a new destination.’”
‘Metro Denver had the highest vacancy rate in the state for affordable rental units during the first quarter, according to a report released today. The statewide average rental rate was $681.30. Average rents ranged from $711.80 in the Denver area to $538.01 in Pueblo.’
‘The vacancy rate for affordable units in Denver was 9 percent, compared with 6 percent statewide, according to the Colorado Division of Housing and the Colorado Housing and Finance Authority. Metro Denver’s overall vacancy rate was 6.5 percent.’
direct reflection of the slowdown in construction related jobs. we have over 50,000 foreclosed families that are certainly renting and we still can’t fill the rental market.
Don’t discount emigration. When the going gets tough, people bail out of Colorado.
Real estate is not “taking a breather”. It’s not breathing.
‘Your market stands out because it has been the flattest the longest. But at what point Denver might level off is hard to predict.’
My head hurts.
Yeah, there’s been no run up. . . NOT!
that’s an amazing quote.
In Realtorese, when talking about markets, “flat” means “down”, so “leveling off” means “no longer going down”. “Normal” means “up”, and “up” means “20% a year”.
Think of a shark that must always be moving forward through the water - to stop means death.
Realtorese
That’s rich.
“‘Coyote Springs is creating a new destination in the Las Vegas sphere of influence,’
LOL. My dad retired near the “Resort at Summerlin”. It’s really nice but just a few miles off the strip it was doomed to failure. It went bankrupt and has been sold twice. It’s now a Marriott. Nobody’s going to make this “Coyote Springs” sh**hole a “destination” except meth dealers.
I’ve never been out there, where is Coyote Springs? Anywhere near Gopher Gluch… :- )
Coyote Springs in a plot of land in the middle of nowhere. Separating Coyote Springs and Las Vegas are thousands (or millions?) of acres of empty desert. Good luck with that project.
Note to housing developers: the only future requirement for new houses will be that they be attached to the ground. I’m one of the few souls left that could potentially buy your product in the future, and it ain’t gonna be attached to another house. Please plan accordingly.
Does it actually have any springs (of the H2O variety) or is that just hype?
Does it actually have any springs (of the H2O variety) or is that just hype?
It has the type of springs that a coyote would frequent.
If I was flush (solvent) or had a newer car, I’d run out there and snap a few pics.
Aw, well…
No, it near horse s##t flats.
What’s even funnier is the reference to the “lack of land” in the desert outside Vegas… anyone who has ever driven from L.A. to Vegas knows there are thousands of square miles of empty space…
And without water rights they will remain just that.
I’m amazed that they have built as much as they did. Where is the water supposed to come from? That creek they call the Colorado “river”?
According to NPR, Las Vegas’ “Water Czar” is a force to be reckoned with.
“Both friends and foes seem to share the opinion that Mulroy is determined, effective, tough and driven. She has managed to drive down water use in this desert city while developing innovative strategies to find more water sources.”
A huge amount of that is government-owned. And the feds have done a lot of research on radioactive materials and weapons in Nevada, so no one *should* live there.
Expect for the aliens they’ve captured and hold in Area 51.
A huge amount is slated for future development along the 15. Yes, much of Nevada is either nature preserve or… ‘no longer suitable for development.’ But the Ivanpah valley will be developed fairly quickly as soon as the airport goes in.
Vegas is doomed to implode.
Got popcorn?
Neil
“‘Land values are not going to come down,’ Ritter said.
I guess there’s not much left to be said, this Ritter fellow has spoken.
I hope he was misquoted, because, otherwise, that is an unbelievably moronic statement.
“‘Land values are not going to come down,’ Ritter said.
I guess there’s not much left to be said, this Ritter fellow has spoken.
I liked him better when he was on Three’s Company.
He’s much better at slapstick than economics.
Anyone that works in the land development business knows that this statement is laughable. I work for a municipality and talk with developers daily. A person can make or loose millions based on speculative land buying. Unimproved land fluctuates greatly depending on proposed highway projects, available water, recent trends in the employer base, etc… It’s sad that this guy is quoted in widely read newspaper.
What is it with this mentality that raw land cannot lose value? I run into people all the time who love to wear out the saying “buy land, they’re not making anymore of it.” Nowhere is this psychology more evident than in the PNW. There are tons of people speculating in raw land. Some areas recorded gains as high as 1000 percent. Yeah, that’s sustainable…NOT.
I got a 1000% return on my land investment. Only took 20 years!
“Only took 20 years!”
And the biggest RE runup in history.
“Right now, a home buyer could have his or her pick of nearly 10,000 homes for sale.”
Actually the easy financing game is over so there are no home buyers to make those buys at still high current prices. Even at 10-15% discount isnt removing all the fluff built over many years now.
Only the prudent savers waiting for 35-50% drop are waiting to buy. So a 10%-35% isnt going to make anyone move since prices are headed down anyway.
I will be seeing this guy when inventory is 25,000 and prices drop by 50%.
Silly Realtors !
The Arizona Daily Star. “The Tucson housing market downturn hasn’t bottomed out yet, but the end is near. The low point on the fever chart will be logged sometime in the next nine months, said John Strobeck, housing analyst and owner of Bright Future Business Consultants.”
What a coincidence … I was just going to name my new Hedge Fund ‘Bright Future.’ It is true that I was going to take big risk and leverage that puppy to the max. My headquarters was to be in Tucson. Now I will wait 9 months for the bottom to hit.
I’ve just gassed up my truck and am driving to Tucson tonight to buy a house in the desert before prices start going back up.
Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you Rick Hodges, CEO of the Tucson Association of Realtors. Thank you for letting me know that now’s a good time to buy a house in Tucson because the market is “taking a breather”.
Just think, I was going to throw my money away by investing it in my business!
If our local market is taking a breather, it’s the strangest breather I’ve ever seen. Next to NOTHING is moving here.
I believe it’s called ARF - acute respiratory failure.
I think “Last gasp” might be a better description for this “breather” the housing market is supposedly taking.
The Arizona Daily Star. “The Tucson housing market downturn hasn’t bottomed out yet, but the end is near.”
Yeah, you got that part right. The end of your Bright Future.
“‘The national media would have you believe that the housing market in this country is getting trashed,’ said Vectra Bank Colorado economist Jeff Thred gold. ‘The reality is that new- (and existing-) home sales…posted their third-best year ever (in 2006). It just wasn’t as good as 2004 and 2005.’”
Two things:
1. You need more up to date information.
2. It’s on the decline, and you suddenly think it will jump back up again?
Duh.
Another economist that got his degree online.
This Jeff Thredgold fellow is a boob. Nothing in that entire rant made any sense. But he seemed sort of mad about his current sitation, all be it in “economist” speak.
Jeff Thredgold is a regional Liereah econo-whore. He spreads his ‘all is well’ bank hired-gun stuff to any media outlet that will listend in Colorado and Utah. I’ve listened to his stuff for years and it is always sunny in his world.
Just a sample of how our summer is kicking off.
.. lemme see if i can kill two birds with one stone.
Jeff Thredgold is more likely passing through the denial stage.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.” - A. Einstein
No… Another economist that gets his paycheck from the people with a vested interest in making you beleive the market is near a bottom.
“In the first quarter of this year, 72 percent of the foreclosures occurred in homes with a loan amount of less than $200,000, according to a report by the Genesis Group. Not surprisingly, these homes missed out on the average price appreciation OFHEO tallies for all Colorado homes.”
“Homes that sold at between $170,000 and $300,000 have seen zero appreciation over the past year, the Genesis Group reports. And homes for less than $170,000 have seen a 15 percent decline.”
Uh-oh, looks like J6P is in trouble. The bottom fell out. Now, with nobody left to buy the starter homes, where do the move up buyers get their money? Now the move up homes can’t sell. Oops, looks like the chain might be broken. Hello massive price declines!
Anybody who has their money deposited in Vectra Bank should take it out, because they don’t understand what BanteringBear points out. There is a difference from taking a contrarian viewpoint and being a flat out idiot.
Errrmmm….I would say that BofA is note under the sage and wise guidance either.
The worst U.S. housing slump in 16 years will begin to ease in the next month or two, and job growth will lift home prices and spur construction early next year, Bank of America Corp. Chief Executive Officer Kenneth Lewis said.
Looks like Ken Lewis’ brain has turned into cream of wheat. This’d be a good time for B of A to start its search for his successor.
The worst U.S. housing slump in 16 years will begin to ease in the next month or two, and job growth will lift home prices and spur construction early next year, Bank of America Corp. Chief Executive Officer Kenneth Lewis said.
as he gulped down his unknownth number of shots and a beer…… and fumbled for his 83 Buick car keys….”see ya later dudes!” …… Haven’t seen him since.
Yup, add on to that the new tighter lending guidelines, and then the rise in interest rates, and then the liar loans *poof* gone, and then the increasing inventories, not to mention the failing dollar….and it should all work itself out in 9-12 months of flat sales to increasing profits by December - January is pretty reasonable thinking by the NAR I would say. I just wish they would start doing their forecasts with leprechaun outfits on and fairy outfits and then a unicorn would pull them into the news interviews, that would so rule!
First time buyers in SoCal would probably give their 1st born for a 170K house. Yet wages aren’t all that different between Denver and LA.
It will be interesting to see what the foreclosure scene in Denver will do next few years. Will it flatten out, or will it pick up the pace and catch up with places like Vegas and Florida?
Time will tell. At least builders have put on the brakes here.
Have you seen what $170K will buy down in Montbello? The drug trade is more lucrative in SoCal, so why relocate. Slightly less gunfire here in The Mile High City, though.
What about the huge Stapleton development? There is certainly a LOT of building going on there (4700 acres, multi-purpose community…largest urban *infill* development in the nation).
Visited a friend in Denver over Memorial Day weekend, and (for kicks and grins) we went to an open house. There is (supposedly) something for everyone) but the prices are UNbelievable….(second link)
http://www.forestcity.net/PROPERTIES/stapleton.asp
http://www.stapletondenver.com/builders/default.asp
BayQT~
The Stapleton prices are just plain stupid. The only thing they have going for them is that they are relatively close to downtown (say compared to Broomfield). That is one part of Denver where I could see prices falling hard.
I fail though to see the “chic” aspect in Stapleton. Being that its built where the old airport was, the neighboring areas aren’t all that great. It always struck me as an upscale Aurora.
“…the neighboring areas aren’t all that great. ”
It was the first thing I noticed. And they are selling (or trying to sell) brownstones for, what, the mid-$900s?
BayQT~
Where? I all saw were these, and they were high 200s (supposedly)
http://www.stapletondenver.com/builders/builder_model.asp?buildMiscID=16&buildID=87
Check my 2nd link, NOVA. There are 21 different “varieties of residential living” priced from low $90s to mid-$900s.
If my link doesn’t take you there, use YOUR link…select HOMES and then FOR SALE HOMES.
BayQT~
I’m sure you can get something for 170K in El Centro. Only an easy 100 mile commute to San Diego…
“‘We’ve been saying this is a good time to buy because there’s a breather in the market,’ said Rick Hodges, CEO of the Tucson Association of Realtors. ‘There’s inventory out there and rates are still low, but that’s not going to last very long.’”
Hmm…”breather”, could that be like a breather hole that people get in their chest when they are hit center mass with a bullet through the lung? I also agree with him the inventory is going to go up and so will interest, further putting prices down. I bet there is a great line from Lord of the Rings that would be apropos for the Tucson Association of Realtors building right now, Gimli: “You’ll find more cheer in a graveyard.” And it is just going to get worse and worse…oh those plastic smiles are going to fade fast.
“Pardee entered an agreement with Coyote Springs developer Harvey Whittemore in 2004 to build about 7,000 homes on the first 2,000 acres. The homes were originally scheduled to be finished this spring. The community has been approved for 159,000 homes. Despite the glut of homes on the market for sale, Andrews said, he’s confident Pardee will deliver its first housing units at Coyote Springs by the end of 2008.”
This reads like an absolute comedy. Could any developer have so timed the on-set of a market collaspe with unlimited product as perfectly as these guys? Hubris is huge here, and if you’re going to fail, fail big. The making of the Great Housing Bubble ultimate poster child.
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Instant ghost town, just add stupid money. Was there some project like that just flounded in desert of West Texas near Marfa?
159,000 homes??? Did I read that right? That in itself is a joke. When is the overall completion date, the year 3000?
And, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, where is the water coming from? That could easily be 500,000 people.
They have to know they’ll never sell those 159,000 homes, whatever they may say in public, so why are they building it?
Do they have access to government money, grants, or is this one of the new debtor’s relocation centers? And I echo Bear, where are they getting water for this?
Another thing, what type of kool aid has Tim has “housing consultant” been drinking. How many golf courses have been constructed in the last ten-fithteen years. Around Bozeman there used to be only two, now there are five. And I am not counting courses at Big Sky. Exactly how many golf courses are nessecery to service the number of golfers? And are the number of Golfers growing fast enough to make all these new course successfull? Or are is going to like ski areas, where a large number marginal areas were shut down in the 80’s after the number of skiers started to decline?
#@%##&@, I meant what type of kool aid has “housing consultant” Tim Sullivan been drinking.
Actually the project began pre-bubble back in 1998 .. various problems slowed it down .. water rights were a major one.
however, all the big money and big political guns are firmly behind it. It’s supposed to eventually become an independent new “city” for the State of Nevada..
google and wiki for details.
here is a listing for everything for sale in my neck of the wood.
200 for such a small NVA town with a lot of shortsale and REO.
http://www.homesdatabase.com/jayashton/cgi-bin/aa.fcgi?+NGVjMTE0YjFjOTQ1ODUzZmQwODA3NGZkMmY0OWRlNTMSlI0jaK45u%2fJdbTxZKqDxJfQeH8K%2f1xSS%2fCmcDvIS4XSgNovcRybxVLT%2f
Can you get me 125% no doc no down and plane fare?…..Im on my way Jay
http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_6126004
As a desert dweller, I can tell you that there are millions of barren, dry, hot, uninhabitable acres in AZ, NV, CA, NM and UT that COULD be developed, but never should be. I just drove to San Diego and back to Phoenix over the weekend, and passing thorugh the badlands along I-8 just makes me thankful that I live in an area with estabilished water canals, food distrubution, etc. The tallest plants out there are about 18″ high, there is no shade except from the various rocks, and it was 112 degrees in mid June. There also appeared to be a steady 30 mph hot blasting wind from the southwest.
This “coyote springs” that is supposed to hold 159,000 homes (500,000 people?) is in the middle of nowhere, with very little water, food, or energy infrastructure. What will the half-million people who will live there do for a living? All become golf pros on rock-strewn “courses” in 115 degree heat?
Not to mention the A-bomb fallout from the 1950s.
The developers should be forced to live on this land with whatever they can carry out there walking from Las Vegas for an entire summer before getting permits.
“Around 7,000 homes will be sold this year, and that’s around the same as in 2003, before things really heated up, Strobeck said.”
That’s great! MLS shows 8,277 homes on the market in Tucson right now. I’ll bet Mr. Strobeck is mighty pleased that he has enough inventory to sell!
The better half and myself are considering a move to Denver to get out from the east coast rat race - I’ve got family in the four corners region and Denver, so I asked my sister for a street level report of the economy. More of a conversation starter than anything else, but I should have kept my mouth shut.
She sold me down the river to a RE agent friend of hers who is now sending me emails telling me “It is a great time to buy in Denver” and sending me scaned in “articles” saying RE in Denver will appreciate “as much as 10 percent!”
Sold down the river by my own sister. Any suggestions on a reply, or do I just hit delete and pretend the spam filters blocked all the emails?
Denver has been in the dumps for a long time now. We sold a beautiful loft with views for miles, it would have fetch a million or more in Ny, Chi, or LA, but Denver isn’t those three towns. I agree with a past poster, when the going gets tough everybody just bails from Denver homes and business alike, leaving behind a bust ecomny for years, the place is like the weather there, is never can make up its mind?