June 22, 2007

What Had Been Automatic Became Idiosyncratic

The Journal Sentinel reports from Wisconsin. “The housing slump has hit an unfinished phase of a Port Washington condominium development, and Grafton State Bank is trying to break even on its investment in the project, bank President Jeff Larson said Wednesday. Two buildings with a total of 16 units are scheduled to be sold at a sheriff’s foreclosure auction. Another 60 finished condominium units were in the project’s first phase.”

“‘With the housing slowdown, they (Lakeridge) were just stretched too thin, and they basically walked away from the project,’ Larson said.”

The Des Moines Register from Iowa. “The number of sellers competing for buyers in the Des Moines metro area spiked last month, a new report from area real estate agents shows. Active listings in May increased 10.4 percent to 6,718 from 6,086 a year ago, the Des Moines Area Association of Realtors’ report showed. The average price of sales pending dropped.”

“‘If buyers find any little something about the property they don’t like…they’re just going on to the next property,’ said agent Kurt Schade.”

“Two years ago, sellers had to make few improvements before hitting the market ‘and expected them to sell. Now, they’re really trying to make their property stand out,’ Schade said.”

The Kansas City Star from Missouri. “Kansas City area home builders, already gearing back in hopes of clearing a glut of unsold homes, now are confronting a new headwind, rising mortgage rates.”

“There were 559 permits for single-family homes issued during May in the eight-county area, down 40 percent from a year earlier, according to the latest report by the Home Builders Association of Greater Kansas City released Tuesday.”

“So far this year, there have been 2,858 permits issued, down 38.1 percent from the same five-month period last year and 45 percent off the record pace set during that period in 2004. It was the lowest five-month total since 1995.”

“The slowdown is in response to a large number of new homes available on the area market, almost 5,300 in April, according to the Kansas City Regional Association of Realtors.”

“No area county escaped the downturn in permit activity through the first five months of the year. Miami County experienced the steepest drop, 65 percent, followed by Cass County, 55 percent; Platte County, 54 percent; Johnson County, 34 percent; Wyandotte County, 31 percent; Clay and Jackson counties, 24 percent; and Leavenworth County, 20 percent.”

“‘There is no doubt that a significant portion of the buildup in inventory is due to overbuilding of certain home prices and styles,’ said Tim Underwood, CEO of the Home Builders Association.”

The Other Paper from Ohio. “More than a dozen baby boomers packed into a shuttle in front of the Ohio Loft condominiums. A woman in her mid-50s leaned across the aisle to the man sitting across from her and said, ‘Don’t you just love this? I can’t wait to move Downtown.’”

“Then she added, ‘I have to sell my house in Hilliard first, though. It’s been on the market for months.’”

“There’s been a recent sense, fueled by news stories and idle speculation, that the Downtown condo market—the key ingredient in hopes and plans to keep the central city vital after 5 p.m., is in trouble.”

“Many Downtown developers are tweaking their game plans in response to the lagging sales. Half-million-dollar luxury digs are still being marketed to empty nesters, the majority of the Downtown condo buyers. But recently developers have begun peppering the city with cheaper, smaller condos in an effort to lure young first-time home buyers.”

“The suburban slump has created a vicious cycle, said Rob Vogt, a partner at a Columbus company that provides national real estate market-feasibility information.”

“‘The profile of the buyers Downtown tends to be empty nesters who are moving from the suburbs,’ Vogt said. ‘When you’re trying to sell your $400,000 house in Dublin and there’s no buyer, you’re not going to be able to close on your condominium Downtown.’”

“With most Downtown condo price points traditionally starting near $350,000, Vogt said developers made the mistake in the first round of building of bypassing many first-time home buyers. ‘The lion’s share of the market isn’t being served by the current supply of Downtown condos,’ he said.”

The Cincinnati Post from Ohio. “April home foreclosures in Cincinnati rose more than 300 percent from the same month a year ago, according to a housing agency study released today.”

“But it’s hardly a Cincinnati phenomenon. Ohio’s foreclosure rate rose 64 percent in 2006, to 81,517 filings. Tyresa Hall needs only to look out her Avondale window to see the extent of the problem. Her neighbors on both sides of her home have been foreclosed on, as has a home across the street. That was about a year ago. All three are now abandoned.”

“The results have all been fairly predictable. Homes sit empty, yards overgrow, the properties fall into disrepair and their front porches increasingly become hang-outs, leaving two legacies: litter and falling home values for neighbors like Hall.”

“‘With some, there’s overgrown lawns, there’s litter all over from people hanging on the porches,’ she said.”

The Cincinnati Enquirer from Ohio. “Throughout the turbulence of stock market gyrations and erratic energy costs in the first half of the decade, Greater Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky people who owned homes could count on one constant: Their homes grew in value every year.”

“Between 2000 and 2005, equity in real estate turned out to be a surefire investment. In Greater Cincinnati, the average resale price of a single-family home rose 20 percent during that span to $191,225 from $159,125. In Northern Kentucky, the average price rose to $154,438, from $134,132, up 15 percent.”

“Then came 2006. What had been automatic became idiosyncratic. Average resale prices fell in 137 neighborhoods and towns in the region.”

“Industry experts blame last year’s downturn in used home sales on higher interest rates, tapped-out demand and the dropoff in speculative home-buying for quick resales, or flipping.”

“Norm Miller, director of the University of Cincinnati’s real estate program, hardly blinks at the slowdown in this region because he knows it was much worse, and remains much worse, in cities in Florida, Arizona and California.”

“The stable neighborhoods that have longer-term residents are going to see no price effects, just a little less volume,’ Miller said. ‘The more transient neighborhoods with more turnover, where there are a lot of foreclosures and where banks no longer make subprime loans, could soften up a bit on price.’”

The Journal Group from Michigan. “On June 1, the Wayne County Treasurer’s Office mailed out a record-breaking total of 148,856 notices for 2006 property taxes that have been returned to Wayne County as delinquent from the 43 county municipalities, according to spokesperson Keith Owens.”

“The total amount due to be collected from these delinquent accounts also amounts to an all-time high of over $290 million. That’s a $90 million increase over last year.”

“‘We’re getting foreclosures in at the city at the rate of about five a week, 20 houses a month is pretty bad,’ said Romulus Mayor Alan Lambert. ‘We’ve talked to some mortgage lenders to see if they can help, and they’re concerned, too. They don’t want all of these mortgages to fall back on their laps.’”

“‘When you’re driving around here in the neighborhoods, you tell there are many abandoned houses because the grass is tall,’ Lambert said.”

The Detroit News from Michigan. “They have names like the Ridgemont, the Georgetown and the Hillcrest, sit in swanky suburbs like Rochester Hills and come adorned with rich detail, but even the slickest of the new homes in Metro Detroit aren’t selling.”

“As a result, Metro Detroit builders are dramatically scaling back plans for new homes and condos this summer. Residential building permits fell 51.3 percent from January through May compared with the same period last year.”

“Still, local builders are chugging forward on projects already in the works, even as the housing slump, one that’s hitting Southeast Michigan particularly hard, one economist said, makes it tough to get rid of a glut of new homes.”

“‘Southeast Michigan is the weakest pocket in the nation, with a market that never really recovered from the recession of 2001,’ said David Seiders, chief economist at the National Association of Home Builders. ‘And it’s still sinking.’”

“In today’s market, builders are keenly aware they’re up against tough competition from other developers and deeply discounted existing homes, many put on the market by sellers desperate to rid themselves of property.”

“Winnick Homes, another local developer, is touting ‘ready to own’ single-family homes, ones that are completed but not sold, in communities like Southgate and Novi.”

“In contrast, when the market was more seller-driven just a few years back, many developers could sell an entire neighborhood before a shovel broke ground.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2007-06-22 11:57:43

Main-stream media, note this:

Iowa - ‘Two years ago, sellers had to make few improvements before hitting the market ‘and expected them to sell.’

Missouri - ‘So far this year, there have been 2,858 permits issued, down 38.1 percent from the same five-month period last year and 45 percent off the record pace set during that period in 2004. ‘There is no doubt that a significant portion of the buildup in inventory is due to overbuilding of certain home prices and styles’

Ohio - ‘Half-million-dollar luxury digs are still being marketed to empty nesters’ ‘in the first half of the decade, Greater Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky people who owned homes could count on one constant: Their homes grew in value every year.’

Michigan - ‘In contrast, when the market was more seller-driven just a few years back, many developers could sell an entire neighborhood before a shovel broke ground.’

No national bubble?

2007-06-22 12:51:23

“No national bubble?”

All real estate is local, and every locale sucks right now.

Comment by MikeG
2007-06-22 14:05:05

Unfortunately in the closer in DC metro area, prices have dropped, on average, only about 10-20K (maybe 5%).

Comment by vfsv
2007-06-22 16:29:22

Incredibly, Silicon Valley medians keep going up.

“The Last 30 Days” is now posted at:
http://www.viewfromsiliconvalley.com/id337.html

Thanks!

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Comment by KirkH
2007-06-22 14:36:42

The Fed Funds Rate is local.

 
 
Comment by BanteringBear
2007-06-22 12:58:51

Given the level of overbuilding, combined with the absurd pricing, and the meltdown in the lending industry, I think 50% drops are in the bag in certain areas. The demand is quite simply not there. The listings:pendings ratio is getting really fugly in many places. The locomotive has left the tracks and it’s rumble is now undeniable.

Comment by Patricio
2007-06-22 13:42:25

when we lose 25% TO 30% here in the wonderful OC, I think you are going to see “bargain” hunters and some lingering flippers burst on to the scene picking them up. Because 10% is unheard of to lose value here, well except way back in the foggy days of the 90’s but that was a century back - we are in the 2000’s now. Then these people will artificially inflate the market with the last bastions of wealth throwing it in for a 20% loss and then the waiting game where they will have to sit on the house for 3-5 years to get back to their initial price.

That is my guess of it will pan out here in the OC, because we are so different than anywhere else….right. =\

Comment by tj & the bear
2007-06-22 23:33:10

Picking *some* of them up. There will be a lot more houses than there will be qualified, willing knife-catchers.

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Comment by HelloKitty
2007-06-22 13:04:22

It also appears that the ‘reverse earthquake’ centered in the major cities effect is happening. So crash starts far out and heads toward the ‘city slickers’ are who bought up the rural/inland area with heloc. t

All places considered BFE and FO are crashing first and the waves are rumbling towards NYC, Boston,LA,SF as we speak. Fl is a whole other story…

Watch out LA/SF/NYC the reverse earthquake is centered on you!

 
Comment by mikey
2007-06-22 18:57:42

You forgot Poland…Ooops, I mean Wisconsin ben ;)

 
 
Comment by Paul in Jax
2007-06-22 12:36:16

“The suburban slump has created a vicious cycle, said Rob Vogt, a partner at a Columbus company that provides national real estate market-feasibility information.”

The more prices fall, the more expensive real estate appears.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2007-06-22 14:38:43

I think this is an important point and one that played in the opposite direction on the way up, too.

$400K became the new $250K, etc.

 
Comment by SoBay
2007-06-22 14:51:01

“‘The profile of the buyers Downtown tends to be empty nesters who are moving from the suburbs,’ Rob Vogt said. ‘When you’re trying to sell your $400,000 house in Dublin and there’s no buyer, you’re not going to be able to close on your condominium Downtown.’”

- Bob, the reason that there is no buyer for $400,000 house’s in Dublin… is that there should be NO houses in Dublin for 400k.

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2007-06-22 12:37:50

So who is going to buy all the condos? Empty nesters who can’t sell their homes? Or first time buyers with no downpayments? Or out-of-state speculators buying them to rent out at a negative carry, counting on the appreciation?

 
Comment by Darth Toll
2007-06-22 12:42:32

Until most people think the RE is a terrible depreciating asset that nobody should ever buy, the bottom is not in!

http://tinyurl.com/39gddk

“CNNMoney.com
Out of touch with realty reality
Despite turmoil in the housing markets that includes record foreclosure numbers, mortgage rate increases and home price depreciation, homeowners don’t believe there’s a real estate slump, according to a new poll. Most - 55 percent - are confident that their homes continued to increase in value compared with a year ago…”

BWAHAHAHA! Put the crack pipe down and slowly back away…

Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2007-06-22 12:51:38

“74 percent of the survey respondents said they were confident that they could sell their home within six months at the price they think it’s worth.”

Talk about being delusional! The very reason why a house spends forever on the market, because the owner stubbornly refuses to lower the price.

Comment by Patricio
2007-06-22 15:49:22

The Six months they failed to say were represented in dog years though.

Comment by dana
2007-06-22 16:44:12

hahahaha!! Some really funny and truthful comments
here… this one and put the crack pipe down and slowly
step away are my favs!

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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2007-06-22 14:40:55

I guess that’s what happens after 15 years of good times. Memories have a short life span….

 
Comment by dana
2007-06-22 16:49:06

bwhahahaha…too funny!! *and true!*

 
 
Comment by salinasron
2007-06-22 12:44:14

“mailed out a record-breaking total of 148,856 notices” ““The total amount due to be collected from these delinquent accounts also amounts to an all-time high of over $290 million”

But that’s only an average tax bill of $1948 or $162 per month. That’s peanuts when compared to CA, Tx, Fl and other states.

Comment by GPBlank
2007-06-22 12:59:54

Most of these are in the city of Detroit and therefore have a very low taxable value. A delinquent tax bill in Grosse Pointe (also in Wayne County) could easily be over $10K.

 
Comment by bradthemod
2007-06-22 13:06:08

The next bubble will be liens.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2007-06-22 13:17:51

Nah. I think the next bubble will be in seminars on how to profit from foreclosures and/or tax liens.

 
Comment by Paul in Jax
2007-06-22 13:23:08

There’s a well-established market for unpaid tax liens in many states, including FL. I don’t play, but FL auctions liens once a year and allows the lien holder to collect up to 18% from scofflaws - thus liens have typically been sold at premiums to lien value (plus, of course, lien holder may have chance to claim property under certain conditions). Typically, creditors will take back property ahead of lien holders, but must still pay off lien. Of course, your money is tied up, there is apparently no secondary market for the resale of auctioned liens, and there are some other pitfalls for the newbie, I believe.

Anyone here play this game? - would be interested in hearing about it.

Comment by Mugsy
2007-06-22 14:27:54

My Dad seems to have found out about this recently. Seems like another “get rich quick” scheme but I’ll post if he has any success with it.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2007-06-22 20:17:40

From what (little) i’ve read, the work is specialized, tricky and difficult.

There will be so many plump, juicy ripe deals on the lowest branches, i can’t see climbing the tree and going out on a limb to grab a tax lien.. maybe in a normal market where you’re hungry, but not in this one.

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Comment by jh in ohio
2007-06-22 12:48:01

Yay, finally some news from my neck of the woods!
A couple months ago, the Cincinnati Enquirer was saying ‘no bubble here, local realtors predict 10% appreciation’.
Just this week, PMI said the likelihood of prices dropping in Cincinnati was low. Interesting, since today’s article confirmed they’ve dropped already.
I have friends who bought in ‘05 for $280k in a new subdivision. The lot next to them has been empty since then, until this month when a new builder broke ground. The price of the new homes: starting in the $150’s

Comment by Arizona Slim
2007-06-22 13:18:40

Let me guess: Your friends are not happy.

 
Comment by cami
2007-06-22 13:31:19

That’s almost a 50% trim (though the model your friends purchased may still be going for more than 150k). This is not going to bode well for neighborhood morale.

 
Comment by CincyDad
2007-06-22 13:43:09

I suspect a change in the type of house being built. Most builders around here offer buyers a choice of a dozen or so house models, with price ranges from $150k up to $350k. (other neighborhhoods start around $350k and go up from there). So if the upper priced models are not selling, builders switch to building the lower-end models. But build they will do!

Comment by jh in ohio
2007-06-22 14:03:04

You are correct, different builder, different model, smaller house, so not exactly a ‘comp’. The latest comp in that neighborhood was the same model as theirs built last fall, similar options - for $40 k less.
There’s another subdivision up the road that is 90% empty lots, 5% lived in homes, and 5% empty spec homes, many of which are in the foreclosure process.
Even though incomes/prices aren’t as out of whack in my area as in CA/FL/NV, the economy is pretty bad. I work for an ad agency; clients are primarily local/regional retailers. Most are getting killed, especially RE related retailers (furniture)

 
 
Comment by Not Mssing It
2007-06-22 14:05:12

Talk about a bad day getting worse. Imagine driving home everyday to the new subdivision you bought in back in 05 or so. You see the banner that read “starting in the mid 300’s” when you bought and now it reads “starting in the low 200’s”. Guess I’d be kicking the dog for sure.

Comment by salinasron
2007-06-22 14:36:29

“Guess I’d be kicking the dog for sure.”

Misplaced hostility here. It wasn’t the dog who cajoled you into buying the house, it was your wife and kids. After the foreclosure and divorce the dog will be the only friend you have left!

Comment by Not Mssing It
2007-06-22 15:14:38

After the foreclosure and divorce the dog will be the only friend you have left!

LOL or food..

(just kidding)

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Comment by AKron
2007-06-22 17:19:55

“LOL or food..”

Don’t do it. You can use the dog to help you hunt squirrels and raccoons…

 
Comment by mikey
2007-06-22 19:05:38

By the time this is all over, that those Famous Squirrels will be feeding both the Dog and Fb’s.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by rally monkey
2007-06-22 12:51:10

“Between 2000 and 2005, equity in real estate turned out to be a surefire investment. In Greater Cincinnati, the average resale price of a single-family home rose 20 percent during that span to $191,225 from $159,125. In Northern Kentucky, the average price rose to $154,438, from $134,132, up 15 percent.”

That’s nothing. If the rest of the country appreciate at that pace we wouldn’t be in such a mess. Look at the Baltimore area, try 15-20% per year. At least the Ohio/Kentucky people don’t have so far to fall.

Comment by ragerunner
2007-06-22 13:29:06

I live in the Cincy area and the impact of the RE bust is finally starting to sink in on the locals and media. I can’t tell you how many people like to say, Cincy is different, its economy is just ’steady as she goes’. SURE!!!
Right now there are over 800 condo units under construction or in pre-planning in the downtown Cincy region. Yet sales during the peak (2005 and 2006) only had about 200 to 250 units sell per year (it has dropped like a rock over the last 3 quarters). They soon will have 5 or 6 years of inventory on the market.
But hey, its different here.

Comment by Patricio
2007-06-22 16:32:01

Did they move it, or is it still in Ohio?

 
 
Comment by CincyDad
2007-06-22 13:37:27

You are right…. Ohio did not have a pricing bubble. But it does have a building bubble. New houses going up everywhere, but the state’s population is stagnant.

What we have here is a rotation out of older houses and into new houses. This of course leaves older neighborhoods as future slums.

What people are starting to see is that as young people buy new homes in new subdivisions, they are finding they can’t afford the house after 12 months, and default notices start arriving….

Comment by ronin
2007-06-22 15:54:40

I don’t think you will have seen rampant building in Cuyahoga County. Cleveland just has not had any ramp up in the last decade. Houses really haven’t appreciated in the last 8 years.

In fact, the larger new houses (600k and up) have not been reselling for what they originally cost. This is not a recent phenomenon, but has been going on for the last few years. Greater Clevelands’ bubble is bursting, except it never really had a bubble. It’s just bursting.

 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2007-06-22 14:50:00

C’mon you Cincy guys!! It IS different there. SKYLINE CHILI!! Hello?!?

(UC grad. Spent many a weekend late night eating coneys! Yum. 3 and 5-ways on the other hand, not so yum.)

 
 
Comment by Muggy from the road
2007-06-22 13:01:12

I posted this in today’s bits, but it’s appropriate to repeat here. I just visited a relative in Waverly, OH (tiny rural town about 80 min south of Columbus) and there are spec homes going up everywhere. Totally mind-blowing.

 
Comment by JimmyB
2007-06-22 13:05:31

In elementary school my teachers taught me that the people who live in the Midwest decendents of the pioneers who were not strong enough or brave enough to make it to the west coast. Is this still the common perception? Is it still being taught at school?

Comment by Mabel
2007-06-22 13:16:42

LOL… well that wasn’t taught here in the midwest.

 
Comment by Paul in Jax
2007-06-22 13:27:54

Heck, I thought the ones that went west were the ones that got kicked out - whether Joseph Smith or Jesse James.

 
Comment by CincyDad
2007-06-22 13:46:44

The Midwest was settled by Germans. They weren’t comfortable with a “coast”.

Comment by spike66
2007-06-22 15:01:03

East Coast version…the ones who kept failing, kept picking up and moving west. That’s why California has so many nuts.

Comment by motorcityjim
2007-06-23 08:48:48

People on the west coast may be descended from hardy pioneers but the current crop are their spoiled children. It’s a state full of Paris Hiltons.

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Comment by PBRenter
2007-06-22 13:06:13

At least we don’t live in Zimbabwe:

The Zimbabwe dollar, which is pegged to the U.S dollar and was effectively devalued by the central bank to 15,000 to the greenback in April, was trading in the 170,000-200,000 range on the thriving black market on Friday.

Just a week before, the black market exchange rate was about 95,000 to one U.S dollar, and 2,500 to one in January.

In an interview with the British Guardian newspaper, U.S. Ambassador Christopher Dell said Mugabe’s government was effectively “committing regime change on itself.”

“I believe inflation will hit 1.5 million percent by the end of 2007, if not before,” he said. “I know that sounds stratospheric but, looking at the way things are going, I believe it is a modest forecast.”

Proof positive that the US has a strong dollar policy. You guys were just looking at the wrong countries to compare us with.

 
Comment by jmunnie
2007-06-22 13:08:37

OT, more on mortgage securities:

Why Should A Sale Scare Wall Street?

“Why is Wall Street so alarmed that a bunch of mortgage securities might be sold?

“Because the whole edifice could come tumbling down.

“Perhaps imprudently, a lot of money has been lent on collateralized debt obligations, which sometimes consist of stakes in mortgages and sometimes stakes in other C.D.O.s. If those securities are written down, how many funds would see their equity vanish? Nobody knows, because so much is private. But real sales of securities at sharply lower prices could force writedowns. Far better to avoid such writedowns and go on as if nothing had happened. Perhaps all will work out….

“Now the regulators of hedge funds, some of which borrowed heavily to buy C.D.O.s, are the banks that funded them. In the case of one Bear Stearns hedge fund, their demand for cash seems to have finally forced Bear Stearns to come up with cash to prevent a sale that could result in forced revaluations.

“If these securities have real value, that could work out well, as they are gradually sold. But for now we have a market with stated prices that insiders clearly fear are fictitious. That will lead to a decline in activity, as new money at these prices dries up.

“And the fate of the more leveraged Bear Stearns fund remains in doubt. All Bear had to say today was that is was working with those involved. Forced sales could yet result there, bringing on the result Wall Street fears. Is this a game of chicken, with the hope that other creditors can still be persuaded to back down?

“As Patrick Sky, a 1960s singer-songwriter, once put it, “Reality is bad enough. Why should I tell the truth.””

Comment by Loafer
2007-06-22 13:15:33

The fun will start when the next hedge fund starts falling, and it isn’t owned by a major FI…

Loafer

Comment by Arizona Slim
2007-06-22 13:20:30

Looks like FI has made it into the HBB lexicon, and we’ll be using it as much as FS and FB.

 
 
Comment by jmunnie
2007-06-22 13:26:27

Here’s more!:

Four CDOs With Subprime Loans May Have Ratings Cut

“June 22 (Bloomberg) — Four collateralized debt obligations worth about $3.1 billion and containing subprime mortgages from 2006, the kind that resulted in losses to two Bear Stearns Cos. hedge funds, may have their credit ratings cut by Fitch Ratings.

“The CDOs are the $288 million Trainer Wortham First Republic CBO III issued in 2003 and managed by Trainer Wortham & Co.; the $400 million ACA ABS 2003-1 and $725 million ACA ABS 2003-2, both issued in 2003 and managed by ACA Management LLC; and the $1.7 billion Ipswich Street CDO Ltd. issued last year and managed by MFS Investment Management, New York-based Fitch Ratings said in separate statements today.”

Comment by novawatcher
2007-06-22 20:17:44

Wait, are these mortgages from 2003 or 2006?

 
 
 
Comment by zeropointzero
2007-06-22 13:48:29

Interesting to see someone saying:

“With most Downtown condo price points traditionally starting near $350,000, Vogt said developers made the mistake in the first round of building of bypassing many first-time home buyers.”

$350k is the traditional downtown Columbus condo price point? I realize that they make a point that some folks are now trying to build cheaper entry-level condos — but, still — I never would have guessed that Columbus could support a lot of that, even if it is a city that may be growing.

Comment by lawpoop
2007-06-22 16:59:34

It’s really not. I can’t imagine who they are selling these places to. I think the developers saw how much homes were going for in the wealthiest suburbs and thought they could get some of that market. Also, Columbus has a fairly sizable gay population — income, no kids, don’t need a lot of space, enjoy urban living. But even then, those prices are still borderline outrageous.

“If you build it, they will come.” Sure.

 
 
Comment by nukular
2007-06-22 13:48:39

Anybody have a take on the housing market in Sioux City, IA? Moving there in a couple of months and would like to get a better idea of what has been happening there over the last couple of years.

Comment by Chad
2007-06-22 13:53:58

Uh, down here in Council Bluffs, and SC is smelly. :)

 
Comment by Not Mssing It
2007-06-22 14:10:07

Got Korn?

 
 
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