If Anything’s Going To Motivate, It’s Going To Be Price
Newsday reports from New York. “Sales at Pulte Homes’ nine developments on Long Island are brisk, but the national builder’s local office has shifted its focus from land acquisition and approvals to reaping the proceeds of the projects that are ready to build, consultant Don Eversoll said yesterday.”
“Pulte is not alone. Across the Island, residential developers said, land prices are artificially high. and most are waiting for them to drop. ‘Land prices have been way above what the market should be for the last two years at least,’ said long-time developer Ronald Parr. ‘Up until this point, builders could get away with anything and everything. Now, things are much tighter.’”
“But Parr is convinced it will take ‘another year, maybe more’ for landowners to adjust their expectations. ‘This is not the time for a developer to be out there buying,’ Parr said.”
“The rental market is so ‘vastly undersupplied,’ said AvalonBay VP Matthew Whalen, that inflated land prices have merely led to ‘less bidding wars for sites and some of the competition [for sites] slowing down,’ he said.”
“Parr said more than half of Long Island’s residential developers might have trouble remaining profitable as the market continues to adjust.”
“John Giamarino no longer believes in incentives, at least not when it comes to selling his West Gilgo Beach summer house. His offer to make a year’s worth of mortgage payments for the buyer fell on deaf ears last year, even after he was featured in a Newsday story on incentives being offered in the slowing housing market.”
“After taking the four-bedroom property off the market in November, he put it up for sale again last month with a lower price tag, from $645,000 to $599,000, but no incentive.”
“‘If anything’s going to motivate, it’s going to be price,’ said Giamarino of Seaford.”
“The businessman said he got lots of attention about his house, mostly from locals commiserating with him because they can’t sell their homes either.”
The Boston Globe from Massachusetts. “Housing prices north of Boston continue to head south. The slide started a year ago, when Bay State house sales and prices cooled after peaking in 2005. The spring market didn’t produce a thaw this year, with house sales and prices rapidly declining across Essex County for the first five months of this year, according to the Warren Group.”
“‘The numbers don’t lie,’ said Terry Egan, editor in chief of the Warren Group’s real estate publications. ‘The Massachusetts real estate market as a whole is slumping.’”
“A glut of houses for sale, longer selling times, and rising interest rates have combined to put downward pressure on the market. In the January-May period, the median price plunged 32 percent compared with the same period last year in West Newbury, to $448,500, and fell 25.5 percent in Essex, to $384,275, the Warren Group reported.”
“The old shipbuilder’s house hit the market in November with a $719,000 price tag. Todd and Kristen Walker could not even think of bidding, even when the price dropped to $679,000.”
“But in a soft housing market, they had buyer’s clout. After negotiating with the sellers, the Walkers bought the house for $630,000 in March.”
“‘I think we got a deal,’ said Kristen,. ‘We wanted to be in a top school district. We figure it is worth it for us to be house-poor.’”
“‘It’s a challenging time,’ said Kim Sandler, president of the North Shore Association of Realtors. ‘We’ve had a lot inventory, and some of that old inventory is moving…but a lot of that is due to price reductions.’”
“‘The prices couldn’t continue as they had,’ said Pam Cote, an agent in Beverly. ‘They were going up, up, up for so long, things had to start to come down. We’re seeing that now.’”
The Republican from Massachusetts. “The decline in single-family home sales in the Pioneer Valley last month was sharper than the drop in sales statewide.”
“Two groups both showed sales dropping more steeply in Franklin and Hampshire counties than statewide. Terence F. Egan, for The Warren Group, said the steeper decline in the region ‘almost leads me to wonder whether the market correction, the downturn, is just a step behind in Western Massachusetts.’”
“He said, ‘We saw these kinds of numbers for a lot of the eastern Massachusetts regions throughout 2006.’”
“In Franklin County, sales dropped 20.3 percent to 51 homes sold in the month; in Hampshire County, sales dropped 12.8 percent to 116 homes sold, and in Berkshire County, home sales dropped 20.5 percent in May, to 124 homes sold.”
“‘It would almost seem that the correction has radiated outward from the hub, and Western Massachusetts wasn’t immune from the downturn,’ Egan said. ‘It just hit home a little bit later.’”
“If you’re about to do that last-minute scramble to find a house to rent this summer on Cape Cod, there’s no rush.”
“With home sales in decline, owners of Cape Cod vacation properties are more anxious than ever to rent them for income to cover big mortgage payments or home equity loans. There is so much availability that rental agents and homeowners are jockeying to attract latecomers looking for rentals in July and even into August, the most popular month for vacationers.”
“‘There are too many homes on the rental market,’ said Mary Fritz, a rental agent in Orleans. ‘You can get a deal. People are negotiating.’”
“Even now a three-bedroom in Eastham, minutes from Nauset Light Beach, is unrented for five weeks in July and August, at $1,400 a week, the same price as last year.”
“Property owners are wrestling with several phenomena these days. Investors who snatched up vacation homes at record prices during the recent housing boom are now finding their properties are worth less, making it impossible to sell for a profit. That’s left many owners desperate to rent to meet the mortgage.”
The Philadelphia Inquirer from Pennsylvania. “In the past, both the Philadelphia and South Jersey areas have seen strong housing appreciation, house prices climbed 70 to 80 percent over the last five years.”
“This has been a boon to subprime homeowners who fell behind on their loans because they were able to tap into this increased home equity to refinance their loans or sell their homes at a profit. But double-digit house price growth is a thing of the past, and foreclosures in these markets are climbing.”
“We expect almost 17 percent of Philadelphia area borrowers with recent subprime loans to lose their homes through foreclosure. We expect similar results in the Camden area (which includes Burlington, Camden and Gloucester Counties), where yearly housing appreciation has dropped from 16 percent to 6 percent.”
The Record from New Jersey. “As of a week ago, Remi Cos. planned to put 40 of the 128 units on the auction block Sunday to see what the market would bear. However, by the time proceedings began in a Jersey City hotel ballroom, the list had been cut to 16, and without notice, it was cut to nine after about a half-hour of spirited bidding.”
“The apartments that were sold brought in $3.6 million, about two-thirds of what developers said was their last asking price, but a third higher than minimum prices they had set.”
“Some viewed the sudden end to proceedings as a sign that the condo market is hurting. ‘It’s bad P.R.,’ said Sean Munroe of Ridgewood, who predicted that Sunday’s results would push prices down. ‘There’s a glut of condos here.’”
The Times from New Jersey. “Perhaps no one illustrates the meteoric rise and stunning fall of the real estate market better than Zuhdi Karagjozi.”
“In just a few short years, Karagjozi built his company, Kara Homes, up to be one of the state’s largest home builders. At the height of the housing boom, Karagjozi predicted Kara Homes would hit $1billion in revenue by 2006.”
“Instead, 2006 marked the year the housing market fell into decline, taking Kara’s fortunes along with it. The company, which filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection last fall and left dozens of homeowners in limbo, now plans to emerge without its founder, and without the Kara name.”
“And unsecured creditors, including contractors, vendors and some homeowners, will be reimbursed pennies for every dollar owed.”
“The proposal needs the approval of creditors and the bankruptcy court judge. But Kara lawyer David Bruck said if all goes well, the plan could be confirmed by August, meaning Kara would emerge from Chapter 11 within a year of its filing.”
“Bruck said the plan reflected the harsh realities of the housing market, which has been in a steep downturn for more than a year. Even larger, more diversified public home builders have not been immune. PRed Bank- based Hovnanian Enterprises, the sixth-largest U.S. home builder, said earlier this week it did not expect a recovery even next year.”
“‘The reality is, the market fell away,’ Bruck said. ‘This is the best we can do.’”
“‘I think we got a deal,’ said Kristen,. ‘We wanted to be in a top school district. We figure it is worth it for us to be house-poor.’”
Another fool who believes that a 12% reduction on a house that is overpriced by at least twice that amount (and probably much more)is a bargain.
I know people who had opted to be house poor; they never imagined the collateral effect of the stress on their marriage due to financial difficulties. Can’t imagine how much more stressful it must be when the option to sell doesn’t exist because the mortgage exceeds the value of the house.
What’s scary about being house-poor is that an unforeseen event or circumstance can put you in a deep financial hole. (Medical situation, legal issue, etc.)
Staying house-poor may be okay as a short term strategy, but as a longterm financial plan it’s not too smart.
Pfffft….uhhh hello McFly….Lotto? Sheeesh….how can you forget about that, obviously they are going to nail that lotto and then who cares about the price of some house, in fact I bet they will buy 2 more after they win.
Not to mention getting the “bank error in your favor” Monopoly card, or getting a huge inheritance from long-lost great-Aunt Tillie, or having that penny stock you bought fly to 10 bucks a share, or getting an email from a friend of the late Chancellor of the Exchecquer of the Ivory Coast, or finding that Picasso painting at a garage sale …….
I mean, there’s so many ways to hit it rich — the odds are basically in your favor. They should splurge and get the 911 or Land Rover while they’re at it.
I’m amazed how often the desirability of school districts is cited with house prices like this. Just imagine the present and future taxes on this property. In these price ranges, wouldn’t the cost savings of a less expensive house/school district pay for private school many times over?
But how could you send your kid to a private school whilst living amongst the po’ folk? And who would subject their highly intelligent children to living amongst those people? And, of course, their children are the smartest (even if their parents ain’t so financially savvy….)
M’thinks the lady is merely a social climber trying to justify her ‘need’ for a ritzy home by blaming her kids.
Bingo. She wants it ‘ cause she wants it, rationale to follow.
The article says she used to be a realtor…once you drink the Koolaid, there’s no going back.
M’thinks the lady is merely a social climber trying to justify her ‘need’ for a ritzy home by blaming her kids.
Once the hosted show-off “look at me and what I got” XMass
party is over, there will be a For Sale sign going up in March.
Mazzholes are the ostentatious pits.
often, at least in my area, the best school districts are also the least taxed districts. This is because they have a (wait for it) wealthier tax base! Its a double kick in the pants for those in bad school districts because they pay more and get less!
Have you checked out the cost of private school for several kids?
That tab makes the taxes and house cost look more modest.
well, if your fielding a basketball team or starting a church throught the loins of your wife….. “buying ” into a good schoold district really makes sense.
yes - $12k+ for elem, $25k+ for highschool . With one kid (at least in silicon valley) it’s almost a wash, with two the school district is cheaper.
HAHAH, you don’t know how many clients and other people I know that bought in certain more expensive areas for the “schools” and then the wife insist that they use private schools because the public ones are unsatisfactory!
I know man men (whipped) that harbor much dislike for their wives and are set to leave as soon as the kids are older because of this very issue. Your so right that the “schools” are just an excuse for the wives to push hubby into pricier hoods. The privat school thing is allways sprung on the whipped hubby later.
I am man hear me ROAR!!! My wife would be packing with or without the kids if she tried to pressure me into ignorant finincial situations. These dudes that bow to keep the peace are much like the appeasment croud in Europe before WWII. The demands will never stop if you cave and in the end your marrige will be much worse off than if you initially told your spouse F$%K NO!!!
Makes me glad that I decided long ago to never marry! You lose many freedoms and independence in your life by joining a union. I also don’t like women(nor men) enough to ever want to spend the rest of my life with one. I am a free spirit that thinks for himself. I don’t even like teaming up in sports and school projects. I want to live all alone
We live in a “cheap” house and send our son to private school. will do the same for daughter when the time comes. It is cheaper than moving to a huge bubble area and paying higher taxes, insurance, etc. At least for us the way we figured it out on paper. and the private school is better than the “good” school.
Or couldnt they just rent in that “good” school district?
“The old shipbuilder’s house hit the market in November with a $719,000 price tag. Todd and Kristen Walker could not even think of bidding, even when the price dropped to $679,000.”
“But in a soft housing market, they had buyer’s clout. After negotiating with the sellers, the Walkers bought the house for $630,000 in March.”
“‘I think we got a deal,’ said Kristen,. ‘We wanted to be in a top school district. We figure it is worth it for us to be house-poor.’”
I will have little pity when you get foreclosed and lose your life’s savings. Should have rented!
What’s the use of a good school district when the kid comes home every night to parents who are morons? C’mon people, let’s figure out where value is!
“After taking the four-bedroom property off the market in November, he put it up for sale again last month with a lower price tag — from $645,000 to $599,000 — but no incentive. ‘If anything’s going to motivate, it’s going to be price,’ said Giamarino, 58, of Seaford.”
So this car dealer, who by virtue of his work should understand pricing, reduces the wishing price of the house by 7% and thinks it will move??? If he had cut the price by $100K, I’d have considered his motivation to be credible. Maybe he needs to compare the near-term value of a used house to that of a used car — declining with each passing month.
He is probably breaking even there with the good ole housing ATM, or maybe he is walking by the koi pond now wondering “wtf was I thinking?” I believe that the price reductions we see are in large part indicative of the use of the house as an ATM and where they are to try and get out. Sure some of it is greed and stupidity, but I bet a large portion have put in so many improvements and personal toys that they are just plain upside down now and hating life.
the result of buying with your emotions instead of with your accountant’s advice (or just your own common sense - does anyone have any anymore?? - besides HBBers, of course)…
Is anyone else seeing a lot of personal toys for sale?
This morning, I took a walk up to the grocery store. In just a half mile between my house and the store, I saw not one, but two, fairly new cars for sale outside of people’s houses.
Arizona Slim,
Seeing lots of big trucks, big boats and snowmobiles for sale on people’s lawns around here, in my walks to the grocery store and post office (silly me…dealing in silly little letters…how quaint).
Betcha we see more toys for sale soon.
The Record from New Jersey. “As of a week ago, Remi Cos. planned to put 40 of the 128 units on the auction block Sunday to see what the market would bear. However, by the time proceedings began in a Jersey City hotel ballroom, the list had been cut to 16, and without notice, it was cut to nine after about a half-hour of spirited bidding.”
I smell Shills !!
I can hardly wait for these fake auctions to lose credibility in the eyes of the Lame Stream Media. I hope to see more coverage of how wishing reserve prices mean these are not really auctions at all and that it is a set up to trick folks into overpaying.
“Lame Stream Media” - LOL.
The next reporter who ues the term “spirited bidding” is going to get a demonstration of the choke holds I learned in Jiu-jitsu training!!!!!!!
The excerpt doesn’t make sense - why would they pull items from the auction if, by their own account, the bids were going good?
No more plants (shills) in the crowd.
“We expect almost 17 percent of Philadelphia area borrowers with recent subprime loans to lose their homes through foreclosure.
Yesterday I was skimming the local newspaper, and was surprised by the number of foreclosures. There were five pages, as opposed to maybe one, one and a half. Most of them were in lower income zip codes.
It’s amazing how people in the industry still play down this meltdown happening and yet to happen. Friends in the business I know blame the media hype on their ‘overblown’ reporting. Just wait.
Surely you mean zip codes laden with Boomers, I have a very difficult time believing Low-income zip codes house the vast majority of sub-prime borrowers, cant be so, lending knows no color, race, religious, or national origin.
“With home sales in decline, owners of Cape Cod vacation properties are more anxious than ever to rent them for income to cover big mortgage payments or home equity loans. There is so much availability that rental agents and homeowners are jockeying to attract latecomers looking for rentals in July and even into August, the most popular month for vacationers.”
That used to be unheard of. In my college and early working years, getting a summer rental on the Cape was a real scramble. If you didn’t have something secured by March, fahgeddaboudit. I’m guessing two factors are at work here: One, the glut of houses to choose from, but also, some middle class belt tightening. I haven’t been to the Cape in years and years, but I have many fond memories, it was a lot of fun. However, my New England friends and family tell me the traffic is abysmal and takes a lot of the fun out of summer vacation there.
“some middle class belt tightening.”
Afterthought: probably many folks who would normally have taken that two week Cape Cod summer vacation are struggling to make payments on their bubble houses and can’t put money into a summer rental.
Even twenty years ago, I remember leaving in the middle of the night to avoid the traffic on the Sagamore Bridge. I can only immagine how much worse it’s gotten. I too have fond childhood memories of The Cape (that used to be).
I’ve heard it’s been so overbuilt that there’s frequent problems of raw sewage runoff into the bay/ocean.
Just posted in Bits Bucket that the spec house where I’ve been living (Maine shorefront) is under contract to be sold, and I’m so surprised - yet the agent tells me the buyer may want STILL to rent out to me - so evidently the buyer is a specuvestor STILL - really bad investment for cash flow. He’s probably a cash buyer, but my rent will just cover taxes-ins-maintenance IMO. Nutty. We’ll see if any of this really happens.
We vacationed on Cape Cod in the summer of 2002 and swore we would never go back during the high season. The development and traffic was beyond unbelievable. I too had fond memories from my teen years that did not include traffice like that. Give it a few more years for there to be major bargains on Cape Cod.
traffic is abysmal
I now refuse to go south of the Salem/Beverly bridge.
I prefer youth hostels. The one on Cape Cod only cost me about $15 a night in 1995.
OT GOLD
shouldn’t it be flying w the negative savings,low lt bond rate and oil above $70 ?
guess I’m dumb
I suspect precious metals are being dumped on the market right now by the US, among other large indebted holders. I have a fair amount of Gold and Silver and could not help but notice it has really taken a dive in recent weeks. Long term, I believe precious metals will do very well however, so when prices are down I take the opportunity to buy more.
holders of gold sell it to raise cash to meet margin calls. As the bust widens gold will fall in price until the remaining holders are just that HOLDERS of gold, then people lose faith in the dollar, stocks, whatever, and gold then goes up fast and high.
“‘The prices couldn’t continue as they had,’ said Pam Cote, an agent in Beverly. ‘They were going up, up, up for so long, things had to start to come down. We’re seeing that now.’”
why didn’t these leeches say this 2-3 years ago?
Why?
Simple. They wouldn’t be able to close the sale.
Would you buy a house you are confident will fall in value in the very near future?
Of course not. So………..you must believe that “real estate always goes up”.
Yup, I remember back a couple of years back calling on a house here in HB, and she told me that this POS 30+ years old basic neighborhood with no view no nothing was $680k and this was a “real deal” in this neighborhood. I asked her, so you think that this will be a 1.2 mil house in another 2 years then, you think that is sane and reasonable? She was silent then I could see her shrugging her shoulders through the phone saying “I guess with these prices the way they are we will see that.” I just laughed and hung up on this person who obviously has to lie to be able to keep her job….what a crap profession.
Heh I bet they drop to $250-300k as no one wants this undesirable location!
Because used house salesmen (like used car salesmen)they make their money when they make their sale; and they say whatever they need to say to make the sale (truth be damned). Two-three years ago, buyers with their newfound buying power (Neg-am I/O toxic waste) were plentiful and sellers were in short supply, so the party line was ‘Prices going up again!’ to entitce sellers.
Now that the easy money is gone (thank you Bear) its the buyers who are scarce, so used house salesmen woo buyers with talk like ‘Prices are coming down!’. Like a stopped clock, right twice a day.
If you understand the agent’s motivation, on a macro level you see that they will help bring the market down, because they REALLY starve when there is a standoff. They can’t afford to keep lying to buyers about high prices, because then nothing sells.
Yes, but I think what happens is sellers tend to list with the agents that tell them the prettiest lies; from the agent’s point of view, the thought may be: I’ll get this listing first, I’ll get them to lower the price later (when the house doesn’t sell).
At my company we had a warehouse guy who has a house in the hood, and he has done a ton of improvements on this house and he bought it a while back also. When he was leaving our company to move to Nevada to some place in North Nevada (gah…yuck) he told me that the realtwhore was so sure that in his contract he wrote if the house doesn’t sell in 6 months he would buy it. I never heard of this before, and the warehouse guy swears that it was written into the contract, I was simply shocked to hear this. Well, months have gone by, and he is still here not in Nevada we let him go because he told us he was leaving, and now he has a job out here and no house in Nevada and a house that isn’t bought. I guess that whole contract he talked about was a joke, dumbest thing I have ever heard out of this stupid market….do that with 2-3 houses in this market and that would be a financial bloodbath unless you have 10’s of millions behind you.
There are lots of companies that promise to “buy your house” if they fail to sell it within some time period. However, I gather that the price they are willing to buy at is very low compared to the market. If they buy 30% below the market they can afford to price at 20% off and lure in the last of the GF
First!
I read all this stuff about $630,000 homes in MA and can’t help but think- well ya, but the whole East Coast is basically one giant rotting cesspit that used to be the heart off the US economy. So why pay 600k for a POS in a region that gets miserable winter weather and has a crumbling economy? Reason I think this is I can’t believe these people are so willing to pay out the ass for a house in MA when they could cut and run to another state.
these people are so willing to pay out the ass for a house in MA when they could cut and run to another state.
That requires work and “BIG BALLS’, which are not in abundant supply here in Teddy Kennedy country.
How else do you think the Boston Globe gets away with its’
endless male-bashing.
OT a tad.
What do you think is going to happen to all those RE related shows we have seen on TLC and Bravo etc? I think outside of the Extreme House Makeover show we are going to see all the flipping and high dollar RA shows going bye bye.
Thoughts?
HIVtv stays w 2005 - it’s always a “hot ” market
people wold watch the downside if you mix it w cops and an arson show
I confess that I watch these shows a lot, mostly for the fun of seeing buyers spend too much or flippers screw up their budgets. But I agree, I think the flipping shows will be going away.
With production times, there’s a lag, but I think we’re going to see more shows where selling becomes a problem, where the realtors are lazy or incompetent, and the sellers are made to look greedy. The shows about “staging” probably still have a way to go - because so many FBs will be interested - but I’m already bored with them.
I’ve watched a few recently and none showed the home as being sold. The either had estimates on profit or an uncompleted contract from very ignorant looking buyers withou their own agent (aka unqualified). The thing that pisses me off the most is their flimsy math that doesn’t add up or take holding cost into account. I’ve see about 3 of these in the past few weeks and by my estimates all the sellers were hosed.
Not bragging, but I know this RE investment shit cold…The best flipper I have seen recently was this chick that worked her (and her friends) ass off over a 6 month period to at best break even. The show said she made 60k, but didn’t count holding cost..loan cost..selling fees..lost time..and underestimated everything she did to the condo =) In my mind I was laughing!!! There is no fricking way I woulda got up in the morning to flounder about as she did and the show tried to make her look so smart!
Maybe they can be salvages if they add a laff-track.
Maybe they can be salvaged if they add a laff-track.
dang.. noticed and corrected a spelling error and hit it again .. and posted twice. Only now do I recall someone saying you can abort a post by not changing a letter and hitting it again.
Sorry bout that.
please pardon me but i need to practice something else.
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bold not bold
strikeno strikeI read an interview with Kirsten Kemp ( I can’t remember exactly which show she is on, but she’s the cute blonde with some smarts). She said the 3rd season is ready to go. She said they tried to go with more ‘professional’ house flippers, but it still turned out to be a train wreck.
‘ Buffalo has one of the state’s worst rates of default and foreclosure on mortgage loans. More broadly, Western New York had the second-highest foreclosure rate for all loans among the state’s largest metropolitan areas in the third quarter of last year, according to the Empire Justice Center in Rochester. And it was more than double the previous quarter.’
‘More than 20,000 homes in Buffalo and 39,000 homes in surrounding areas are vacant, giving Buffalo a 17 percent vacancy rate — 10 times the average rate for the Northeast.’
do they still have $1 deals ?
city townhomes for everybody - global warmer area
Can’t blame the bubble for Buffalo. It has other problems. The price is low, and has stayed low.
That’s right. Believe it or not, some people can’t even afford an 80K house (but they sure could get a sub-prime to buy one).
The price is low, but taxes are high. NY State has two “powerhouse” senators who have done exactly zilch to address the systemic underemployment and unemployment upstate since manufacturing vanished to Mexico and China. Nada on lowering taxes to entice business, nada on creating a tax-free “enterprise zone” a la the Chinese to encourage small manufacturing start-ups or other businesses, nada to leverage the border with Canada to promote greater business integration, in short, nada.
You’ve got a literate population with traditional working-class values, a huge fresh water port, hydroelectric power from Niagra, etc., and all Schumer and Clinton do is trip up there occasionally to talk about “family values” or some such crap–Buffalo and upstate, as well as places like Detroit, have been simply written off economically, and are left to just limp along.
S66~
I took an extended tour of upper state NY with my son after visiting the Rock ‘n Rock HoF in Cleveland.
The decay I saw was pretty damn scarey and sad at the same time.
I stopped at the Harley-Davidson dealership in Gloversville and it was like WTF with all the vacant storefronts.
Not sure which pair is more pathetic-Schumer & Clinton or pathetic as Kennedy & Kerry.
“At the height of the housing boom, Karagjozi predicted Kara Homes would hit $1billion in revenue by 2006.”
I just love manias.
“Abigal estimated that her small plot of tulips would soon be worth 1 billion Guilders…”
In the Globe article on being “house poor”: was it really a good decision to go buy a brand new Mazda CX-3 (at least, that is what it looks like) and park it in your driveway for the photo shoot? Yeah, you let the weeds grow in your lawn to look “poor”, but you forget move the freshly detailed new commute-mobile.
caption says they paid 89K less than original list price. Caption should read they paid 89K more than the current market value and 180K more than next years value and …..