July 3, 2007

At The Tail End Of That Boom Period In Florida

The Orlando Sentinel reports from Florida. “Overall the news for Central Florida underscored a trend that began in about 2005, when high insurance and unbridled property taxes curbed buyers’ appetite for coastal properties. ‘Coastal areas are where we’re seeing the lowest of the lows,’ said Volusia County Property Appraiser Morgan Gilreath. ‘The market extended itself out the furthest. You can only pull a rubber band so far before it snaps back.’”

“Next year, eight major condominium projects will come on line, but condo prices could suffer, Property Appraiser Bill Donegan said. ‘The condo market is one that I think that you’re going to see somewhat of a price break because so many were bought by investors,’ Donegan said. ‘People said: ‘I’ll buy it and flip it tomorrow.’ So many of them bought it and they can’t flip it.’”

“Seminole County Property Appraiser David Johnson said he has seen prices soften in new subdivisions. Particularly in new neighborhoods with prices from $350,000 to $500,000, builders are offering buyers incentives and sometimes discounting prices 20 percent.”

“Investors who purchased new houses before construction are trying to sell and recoup their money. That all forces homeowners trying to sell in those newer areas to drop their prices, he said.”

“Throughout Seminole, the demand for condominiums in the mid-$100,000s price range has dropped enough that prices are down about 10 percent, Johnson said.”

“‘We’re at the tail end of that boom period. We hear all the time that the market is down. It’s down. It’s down. And it is down as far as the number of houses that are selling and the amount of time they are on the market, but prices are not dropping on house resalesm” said Frank Royce, chief deputy in the county Property Appraiser’s Office.”

“Meanwhile, Royce estimated that the number of foreclosures quadrupled in Lake during the past year.”

The News Press. “Single-family-home permits issued in Cape Coral fell to 69, down from 77 this past month, the lowest since the same number were issued in February 1996.”

“In December 2005 at the height of the bull market that prevailed in 2004 and 2005, the median Realtor-assisted sale of an existing single-family home was $322,300, and 1,084 houses were sold that month in all of Lee County, according to the Florida Association of Realtors.”

“By May, the median price was $281,500 and only 575 houses were sold. There are about 15,000 houses for sale, about four times the number at the height of the market.”

From NBC 2. “The growing number of kitchen arsons is putting lives and homes in danger. Officials say the number of suspicious fires in Lee County has skyrocketed. Officials with the State Fire Marshal’s Office say that sometimes, homeowners purposely started their own home on fire.”

“Local firefighters say they have seen similar situations take place because the homeowner was just looking to collect the insurance money.”

“‘If I just leave something on the stove burning, say I have to go to the store, maybe I can get some money out of it,’ said Patrick Comer, of Lehigh Acres Fire.”

“So far this year, they’ve fought 18 fires and 10 of those were thought to be suspicious. ‘We got double those numbers in the first five months of the year and our population did not double,’ said Comer.”

“‘Are they behind on their mortgage payments and they’re trying to get out of a bad house deal? We’ve seen a lot of foreclosures, does that figure into it?’ said Comer.”

From Florida Today. “Anyone banking on a quick end to the slow housing market is likely to be disappointed. Housing experts say it might be months, a year, or more before sales pick up, and they’re just giving their best guess.”

“Meanwhile, buyers continue to balk at prices that don’t reflect the current economic situation. Brevard County’s 483 home sales in May were down 26 percent compared to May 2006.”

“The median price fell 16 percent to $190,400 over the same time, the Florida Association of Realtors says.”

“As Jonathan Krauser with RE/MAX Surfside Properties in Cape Canaveral says, properties must be ‘priced correctly for market conditions’ to sell.”

“Sure, it’s disappointing to sellers to know they missed the market peak. But sales go hot and cold and always have.”

The Herald Tribune . “In a bankruptcy case flanked by flying civil suits, Construction Compliance Inc. of St. Petersburg, filed its reorganization in Tampa’s federal bankruptcy court.”

“After grossing $36.4 million in 2004 and $63 million in 2005, CCI owes less than $400,000 to secured creditors but owes $10.6 million to unsecured creditors.”

“Many of those were home buyers who signed up with CCI for lot-plus-home deals in North Port. Many now have an uncompleted home that cannot be legally occupied, or nothing more than a vacant lot with a bit of site work.”

“To some degree, those home buyers already have given up hope of collecting. Within the past month, dozens of them have filed suits against the lender who forwarded money in their name to CCI for work which never got done, Bradenton-based Coast Financial Holdings Inc.”

“The bank made construction loans with a face value of $110 million to 482 customers of CCI. Roughly $66 million of that total already has disbursed to CCI.”

“For example, in one of the new suits, Michael J. and Telma L. Dorcey of Tarzana, Calif., said that they took out a loan of $228,600 from Coast to build a CCI home in North Port. Coast disbursed $83,055 to CCI, but the company did no work on the Dorceys’ lot, the suit claims.”

“So the buyers find themselves indebted to Coast Bank for a house that never got started, they allege.”

“Coast acted in collaboration with American Mortgage Link, a mortgage brokerage company, Tannenbaum alleges in the Dorcey suit.”

“AML, in turn, came up with an enticing marketing ploy: the buyer could pick up a lot and home package with the promise of no money down, and with the builder absorbing the interest on the construction loan, ‘all with the intent that the completed package would be sold at a substantial profit before the issuance of the certificate of occupancy for the home,’ the Dorceys’ suit states.”

From Multi Housing News. “Over the last 35 years, Stuart Saft, a partner at an international law firm based in New York, has prepared many condominium offering plans and dealt extensively with condo workouts.”

“In an interview with MHN, Saft recalled that this is the fourth downturn he has been through in the real estate market.”

“‘I didn’t ever expect to see it again because I thought developers would act in a businesslike fashion, lenders would be more careful and Congress would be more aware of the potential damage they can cause, like they did with the Tax Reform Act of 1986,’ he notes. ‘Real estate is cyclical–it always has been and always will be.’”

“MHN: Which markets do you think are the hardest hit right now? Saft: ‘Miami is incredibly overbuilt at the moment. People were selling on views, and views were being taken away by the next building. Properties may have to be repriced, developers may need to put in more equity and/or lenders may have to review the situation.’”

The Miami Herald. “Macy’s Florida Chairman Julie Greiner walks out the door of her downtown Miami store to find homeless people and abandoned, boarded-up buildings ‘infested with rats and mold.’”

“One of Greiner’s employees was recently attacked by a homeless man on his way to work, just outside the employee entrance to the Flagler Street store that also serves as Macy’s Florida’s corporate headquarters.”

“She took the region to task in her speech, contrasting Miami’s building boom on Biscayne Boulevard and Brickell Avenue with the ‘broken curbs, collapsed sidewalks and garbage-strewn empty lots’ a few blocks away in downtown.”

“When it comes to recruiting ‘talented people,’ Greiner says she finds they want three things: ‘good public schools, affordable housing and an acceptable amount of time commuting by car.’ ‘In baseball terms, we are zero for three,’ said Greiner.”




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Comment by CanuckinTX
2007-07-03 06:47:35

What would typically happen if someone’s house burns down? How does the insurance value the house? Would an appraiser hired by the insurance companies really understand the collapsing value of the homes?

If this was a way out for many FB’s, the resultant smoke from all the fires would block out the sun!

Comment by shadash
2007-07-03 06:54:45

Trust me it’s already happening

 
Comment by PDXhomedebtorOClandrenter
2007-07-03 07:15:21

Arson won’t help these FBs. Insurance only pays for the replacement cost of the structure, which is pretty well defined. These FBs were speculating on land prices, and they will still be on the hook for the dirt. Insurance company cuts a check to the lender, and there will still be a balance due from the FB. Straight to foreclosure (no place to live now for the FB) and then BK since no one is dumb enough now to overpay for dirt. But the best part of the show will be those FB arsonists that get caught and then provided with free housing in prison. I don’t mind chipping in my taxes for my portion of their stay.

Got diversified assets?

Comment by Bad Andy
2007-07-03 07:33:58

“Arson won’t help these FBs. Insurance only pays for the replacement cost of the structure, which is pretty well defined.”

The consumer knows very little about what insurance does and does not cover. Many of these people look at the policy amount and believe that they will be paid that number no matter what.

Comment by Michelle
2007-07-03 08:09:12

The problem is they can still find lending due to the “circumstances” of fire….and they can still get insurance $$ based on contents that was destroyed..that goes to the owner..

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Comment by flatffplan
2007-07-03 08:13:03

they pay for restoration- so even if you have a totally obsolete design you have to stick with it……..helps avoid moral hazards

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Comment by Devildog
2007-07-03 09:47:36

That’s correct. In order to get the payout from the insurance company you have to rebuild your house. So you’re actually worse off than before because you no longer have a place to live and have the hastle of the rebuild to deal with.

 
Comment by Bad Andy
2007-07-03 09:58:16

“That’s correct. In order to get the payout from the insurance company you have to rebuild your house.”

That assumes the mortgage holder is listed as loss payee on the policy. It also assumes that the loan amount is high enough to justify.

 
Comment by Boston Bruce
2007-07-03 10:22:00

“they pay for restoration- so even if you have a totally obsolete design you have to stick with it……..helps avoid moral hazards ”

But they build to current code.

 
Comment by Bad Andy
2007-07-03 11:11:37

“But they build to current code.”

Which is another sticking point. If there’s no ord/law coverage the insured has to pay to bring it up to code.

 
Comment by Chip
2007-07-03 22:23:54

In other words, the insured are screwed, as opposed to the uninsured, who are *really* screwed. Nice.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Bye FL
2007-07-03 07:19:30

I think at some point arrests would be made. Arson is a serious crime and so is frauding the insurance.

Comment by Patricio
2007-07-03 07:45:46

Just think if one of these flip tards or “investors” thinks about a brilliant plan to torch his place….except he is in a condo tower. I know I know…no one is that dumb…just wait.

Comment by Jim
2007-07-03 10:45:07

Jeezus … I laughed at first at your comment — but then I stopped laughing because I think you’re right. It will happen — just give it time. Someone will be that craven, stupid, and selfish.

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Comment by Michelle
2007-07-03 08:12:43

so is mortgage fraud where Florida is number one..however, yet to see one headline on a realtor, appraiser or mortgage broker being “taken down.” Like I said Florida the land of “you can get away with anything..”

Comment by Vermonter
2007-07-03 08:36:36

You might be able to get away with any thing in Florida. I really do hope, though, that they are all over the arson cases vs the mortgage fraud. As Housing Wizard mentions below, arson has the potential to destroy neighborhoods and lives.

It’s like how we (usually) as a society come down harder on the guy using a gun to steal $20 bucks versus the accountant who stole $200,000. The wacko with the gun could have taken out all sorts of people, killing or maiming. The accountant simply stole money with out physically endangering anyone. Fair or just? Don’t know. I have to agree, though, that violent acts should be the focus of limited police resources.

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Comment by Patricio
2007-07-03 09:21:11

Murder by proxy? People who steal from the masses do not have to be there to pull the trigger in the suicides they only setup the whole situation and loaded the gun with their actions.

 
Comment by Michelle
2007-07-03 10:41:54

Vermonter..I do agree that fire is worse than mortgage fraud..however you can rebuild from a fire…mortgage fraud can also destroy a neigborhood by creating foreclosures that bring property values down, increase crime from vacancies, increase the property tax assesments other homeowners have to pay due to overinflated “false” home prices..so the damage can be severe as well..

 
Comment by Jim
2007-07-03 10:48:13

There was an article recently about the number of Japanese committing suicide since their own property bubble burst. The number was astoundingly high, from what I remember. I was aghast. Then I thought: I wonder to what degree that may happen here.

 
Comment by lost in utah
2007-07-03 17:08:45

There are cultural differences between most of the US and the Japanese re. suicides. Their culture views it differently (remember kamakaze pilots in WWII?).

 
 
 
 
Comment by motepug
2007-07-03 07:48:24

If the house is vacant, normal home owner insurance policies will not pay. So basically you’ll have a burned out shell the bank owns if the house was vacant, since the homeowner has been wiped out. Makes for a pretty shabby neighborhood.

If the house is occupied, the insurance company will drag things out as long as possible to avoid payment.

 
Comment by NoVa RE Supernova
2007-07-03 17:32:28

It’s too bad insurance companies can’t set up cross-monitoring arrangements with lenders to identify potential arson risks among delinquent borrowers. Rather than passing on the increased costs due to arsons to homeowners at large, insurers should flag these underwater home-debtors as a high-risk group and levy their insurance premiums accordingly.

 
 
Comment by Bad Andy
2007-07-03 06:50:43

“The growing number of kitchen arsons is putting lives and homes in danger. Officials say the number of suspicious fires in Lee County has skyrocketed. Officials with the State Fire Marshal’s Office say that sometimes, homeowners purposely started their own home on fire.”

Honey, we’re 3 months behind on our toxiloan what should we do now?

Comment by Patricio
2007-07-03 07:54:07

They are so friggen stupid, why be under investigation, why do things the hard way? One cigarette, in a metal trash can filled with paper….done….accident.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2007-07-03 08:26:29

These people that set fires are sick . Any fire can take the whole neighborhood with it ,along with victims …..like children . The insurance claim will not take away the loan debt ,so it doesn’t save the sick-o from what they owe .The insurance company will write checks to be endorsed by both lender and the owner and the lender will make sure it goes toward replacement of the structure .Until you own a home outright ,the Lender has contractual rights to a say-so in what is done with the property . If the house is vacant the insurance company might turn down the claim also because you are suppose to declare it if the house is vacant or if it is a rental.
Do these sick people really think that it won’t be investigated that they were in financial trouble before the fire ?

Comment by Bad Andy
2007-07-03 08:37:20

“The insurance company will write checks to be endorsed by both lender and the owner and the lender will make sure it goes toward replacement of the structure .”

Worse yet is many insurance companies will pull a credit report as part of their claims paying procedure. You can certainly expect to have some more hoops to jump if you’re 90 days late on the mortgage and the credit cards. It is far better for everyone involved if you just leave the keys on the counter and tell the lender they can have the house.

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Comment by Patricio
2007-07-03 09:23:52

Desperate people do desperate stupid things.

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Comment by Scott
2007-07-03 06:57:13

Heh…kitchen arson…I guess that’s one way to reduce the glut of available stock…

I’ll be very glad to see some of these Miami developers take a hit…I feel bad for downtown Miami! Just thinking of Tobacco Road…perhaps this will keep the redevelopment pressure off that great venue!

Comment by lep
2007-07-03 09:24:04

I’m waiting for the story about the FB who burns down his neighbors house to get rid of the competition.

Comment by Bad Andy
2007-07-03 10:57:22

“I’m waiting for the story about the FB who burns down his neighbors house to get rid of the competition.”

The whole neighborhood will burn…until the FB’s realize no one wants to live on the block that’s 50% burned out.

 
 
 
Comment by Renterfornow
2007-07-03 06:57:58

Late Payments Rise for Home Equity Loans, Fall for Credit Cards
Got to eat first.
LOL!!!!

Comment by Smithers
2007-07-03 09:50:35

From MSN: For the repo man, business is always good. But lately, it’s been better than good.

As the subprime-mortgage collapse blares in the background, “recovery service agents” have been cleaning up the wreckage of another subprime-lending mess: that of the auto industry, which in its own competitive bid for buyers has been extending longer, costlier loans to people unable to keep up with their payments.

One in three auto-loan borrowers have payments greater than $500 a month, according to consumer credit agency Experian, and 12% have been late at least once.

In a survey for the National Automotive Finance Association, BenchMark Consulting International said monthly repossessions by subprime lenders increased 15% last year.

Not to worry, the Subprime meltdown is contained . . . NOT

Comment by In Colorado
2007-07-03 11:02:14

One in three auto-loan borrowers have payments greater than $500 a month, according to consumer credit agency Experian, and 12% have been late at least once.

Holy cow! I’ve never had a car payment that high. Of course I’ve never “owned” a: Hummer, Suburban, BMW, Mercedes, etc.

Comment by cami
2007-07-03 12:17:50

Part of the problem is that not only do people buy these big cars that they can’t afford, they put no money down. Sound familiar? I have friends that easy pay over $300/mo on sedans. Why? They buy new, no down payment.

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Comment by lost in utah
2007-07-03 17:13:35

Geez, I live on $500/month - and I drive a nice vehicle, no payment, paid cash, got it used (7k miles) and saved about 5k. I would ride my bike (and have) before making a monthly payment like that on a car. Nice thing about paying cash is you only have to carry minimum insurance unlesss you want full coverage - no bank to tell you what to do.

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Comment by palmetto
2007-07-03 07:06:08

“She took the region to task in her speech, contrasting Miami’s building boom on Biscayne Boulevard and Brickell Avenue with the ‘broken curbs, collapsed sidewalks and garbage-strewn empty lots’ a few blocks away in downtown.”

That’s the way it goes in the third world. Miami is at the forefront of the Brazilification of the US. Sao Paolo, anyone?

Comment by Ravenor
2007-07-03 07:32:11

Just my two cents, but I think “Mexicanization” would be a better term; since I think relatively few illegals that have entered the US in the last 10 years have been from Brazil. I have visited Mexico numerous times and when you get away from the tourist areas the most noticeable negative that I’ve seen is the accumulation of garbage in gutters and really pretty much everywhere outside. I suppose this is due to lack of concern about the appearance and lack of garbage collection by municipalities(perhaps due to corruption), but it is pretty much a medieval scene.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2007-07-03 08:43:37

That wasn’t his point. In Brazil, the contrast between how the rich live and how the poor live is even more stark than it is here. Govt. services are directed almost entirely to the rich. Of course, they’re the ones paying the taxes!

Comment by crisrose
2007-07-03 12:35:06

And where do they get the money to pay those taxes? Off the backs of the poor.

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Comment by jerry from richardson
2007-07-04 01:28:46

Bill Gates is stealing money from the trailer parks and ghettos?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Bye FL
2007-07-03 07:24:07

Miami really sucks. Full of crime, filth and illegals. In fact most big cities suck.

I want to live in a town, small city or even rural area. Very low crime, cheap land(and houses), low pollution, etc. I am self employed and will only need to commute for shopping.

Someone in another thread said houses in north FL will drop to $60k. Is that true? Alot of snowbirds and retirees will be buying them up if they get this cheap. I do forecast a drop to around $100k for a decent 3/2 starter house however. Whats your predictions for different parts of FL?

Comment by Bad Andy
2007-07-03 07:41:58

“Full of crime, filth and illegals.”

I’ll give you 2 out of 3. Most of the people from outside of the US are Cuban and legal. As soon as they hit the shore they are legal.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2007-07-03 08:50:55

Bye FL,

“Nothin’ could be finer than to be in Carolina…”
Piedmont areas, not too close to the coast and not in the mountains either. Rolling hills, lotsa nice lakes, and housing is relatively inexpensive. Shopping requires a drive, so we’ve learned to shop for a week and to combine destinations on one trip.

Comment by glad to be back in florida
2007-07-03 09:54:12

Funny thing Bill, I said “nothing could be finer than leaving Carolina”! I hated NC from late Sept. until mid to late April! Sure you don’t have the snow like up north, but cold is cold and rain is rain! I for one will take the sunshine, beaches….. I just have to rent a little longer before I can by a home! NC has been over built too! The piedmont is lovely, but watch out for them meth houses! Heck, check out VRBO.com for the carolinas! You can rent for a lot less than carrying costs! Sound familiar???? Hey best of both worlds, summer in carolina and winter in florida! Just don’t buy in either area!

 
 
 
Comment by boulderbo
2007-07-03 07:33:19

just back from a driving tour of miami. it’s absolutely breathtaking; the amount of towers that are under construction. what’s more breathtaking is the fact that downtown is still a third world slum. north of downtown on biscayne blvd. they have leveled half of the crackhouses, leaving vacant lots with for sale signs, while the other half are still full of miami’s “ambassadors of goodwill”. the sheer magnitude of the money thrown at this mess is mindnumbing. sure the dollar was weak, but these investors are going to get their heads handed to them, imho.

 
Comment by weez
2007-07-03 07:35:22

how does granite and stainless steal hold up in a fire???

 
Comment by MIKE
2007-07-03 07:38:38

Again wish me luck I am putting my home up for sale in Sarasota and am going to rent a condo here in Sarasota

Comment by aNYCdj
2007-07-03 07:47:22

Take what ever you get, the first offer is usually the best offer no matter how offended you are.

 
Comment by Paul in Jax
2007-07-03 07:53:31

Mike, I’ll wish you luck - but, let’s see, as I recall you were buying somewhere out of state, first, right? Did you still do that, or decide to try to sell first?

 
Comment by flatffplan
2007-07-03 08:17:39

skip the realwhore and keep the 5%
easier than you think……..

Comment by Bye FL
2007-07-03 08:33:54

my dad sold his last house “by owner” and saved that 6% realtor fee. He had no problem selling it. Forget those overpriced realtors.

Comment by flatffplan
2007-07-03 08:38:02

as an owner you can offer structural,legal and demographic info realwhores are forbidden to give…….who’s in da hood,yo
has it flooded, etc………

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Comment by zeropointzero
2007-07-03 09:02:13

keep us posted. I understand if you don’t want to provide actual address and pricing info — but I know a lot of folks would be interested to hear how selling a Sarasota house goes these days from a reliabel source. good luck!

 
 
Comment by Paul in Jax
2007-07-03 08:09:21

”How am I to look the 900 other associates who work at Macy’s Florida headquarters in the eye, 70 percent of whom are women, and tell them that the environment in which they work is safe?” Greiner said.

Problem is, you can be sure that Macy’s, especially with 70% female employees, has a long history of politically-correct donations, outreach, etc. for the poor and homeless in downtown Miami.

Here’s a creative and I think good suggestion for Ms. Greiner and Macy’s Florida, as well as others with the same problem: Eliminate all corporate-encouraged donations, welfare, and other forms of outreach to the “downtown community” for two years. Then re-assess.

Comment by turnoutthelights
2007-07-03 08:48:03

And a nasty reality of garbage is it habit of multiplying. Those rat-infested, bum strewn streets ( in a time if economic growth ) will quickly descend into hell on earth should times get tough. If a recession comes a courtin’ the ‘Sao Paolo del Norte’ would be apt for Miami.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2007-07-03 08:58:50

A street scene like the one described in the article will NOT make people want to come shop at Macy’s.

 
 
 
Comment by flatffplan
2007-07-03 08:20:08

these 06 comparisons are boring it’s 05 for a real comparison

 
Comment by agitated in sd
2007-07-03 08:37:08

‘all with the intent that the completed package would be sold at a substantial profit before the issuance of the certificate of occupancy for the home,’ the Dorceys’ suit states.”

is this still working? did it ever work? is this the new york crowd?
it reminds me of the bond debacle thats coming.

Comment by tcm_guy
2007-07-03 22:03:51

Almost like trading warrants instead of stocks.

Got 10% down?

 
 
Comment by Bernadette
2007-07-03 08:38:52

Zip Realty has a new feature, at least here in Broward, its “Sales Trends.” They have carefully selected data to show that the market is improving. For instance, the zips I’m exploring (33027,33028,33029), the sales trends show Q2 sales and price/sq ft increasing from Q1. There’s inventory numbers tell a different story though.

 
Comment by MIKE
2007-07-03 08:55:31

Paul in Jax
Once I sell my home in Sarasota I will rent in Sarasota and live part time in Fl and part time in St. Louis ( I have already purchased a condo in St. Louis)

 
Comment by crisrose
2007-07-03 09:33:22

“AML, in turn, came up with an enticing marketing ploy: the buyer could pick up a lot and home package with the promise of no money down, and with the builder [CCI] absorbing the interest on the construction loan, ‘all with the intent that the completed package would be sold at a substantial profit before the issuance of the certificate of occupancy for the home,’ the Dorceys’ suit states.”

It never occurred to these morons that, if the above scenario were true, why would they be needed in the first place? CCI would have simply sold the houses post-construction to make that “substantial profit.”

 
Comment by aladinsane
2007-07-03 09:35:27

“When it comes to recruiting ‘talented people,’ Greiner says she finds they want three things: ‘good public schools, affordable housing and an acceptable amount of time commuting by car.’ ‘In baseball terms, we are zero for three,’ said Greiner.”

Now batting for team Macy, with a .000 average…

 
Comment by Matt
2007-07-03 09:38:57

Latest reports from O-town.

I’m renting in a nice townhome community called Cypress Creek. All units are indentical, 2/2 1200sqft. Two years ago they were selling for $220k. Last month one sold for $155k. And yet there are still two for sale for $220k listed as “UNDER MARKET VALUE!!!”

Comment by AnonyRuss
2007-07-03 15:32:00

“I’m renting in a nice townhome community called Cypress Creek.”

Be wary of that Hank Scorpio character.

 
 
Comment by Bye FL
2007-07-03 09:56:54

How do other states compare to Florida? NC is going downhill actually from what I heard. All those Floridians are fleeing to NC and bringing their problems with them. Many of the locals are packing. Not sure if itll be wise for me to consider NC. Tennessee sounds much better and also there is NO state income taxes and less taxes overall.

Maybe ill stay in Florida but move from south to north FL as most of the problems are limited to the southern part. Prices would have to drop alot for north FL to be competitive with Tennessee and other states. I would also need to see FL address the property tax issue. I can get a nice big house *today* in TN for $100k and pay $700 a year in prop. taxes. Will north Florida be able to match this deal in a couple years?

Comment by glad to be back in florida
2007-07-03 10:13:51

Why don’t you go and spend two weeks in Tenn around January/Febraury and see how you like it. As far as NC is concerned, it was the NY’ers not the Floridians that have taken over NC. They come and whine about not being able to find a decent bagel….. The locals don’t really mind the Floridians. You will find this is the case all over the south! It’s still a lovely place if you dont’ mind cold, gray rainy days several months a year.

One thing to consider, property taxes don’t need to be addressed if prices are not out of whack! Actually, if we owned, we would be paying about 25% less for taxes and insurance than we paid in property and state income tax in NC. It’s all relative! Prices just need to come back to reality!

Comment by Bye FL
2007-07-03 13:56:50

Ill be spending 1-2 weeks this winter in Northwest Pennsylvania and Toronto Canada. My mom thinks I won’t handle the cold. I am more worried about my mom not handling it than I am! I keep asking why do so many people live in Canada, northern USA(especially Alaska) and other cold places if cold was so bad? Even NYC gets pretty chilly and its the most expensive place in USA!

You do stand correct that prices are out of wack. But If this super exemption gets voted in, itll greatly benefit first time buyers and probably get people moving back to FL. Tennessee has very low taxes and reasonable house prices which will become even more so in a couple years. As for Georgia, most of that state is high crime. Rome, GA is affordable($25-50k houses) but im worried about the crime!

Byron, Tennessee sounds better in almost everyway as well as cheaper houses and lower taxes. I hear good things about eastern and NE Tennessee. Any comments from anyone that knows?

 
 
Comment by Byron
2007-07-03 11:31:51

Why don’t you consider Georgia? I left South Florida in Jan of 2005 and bought a house in NE Atlanta in April of that year and haven’t looked back since. We live on 3/4 acre of wooded paradise that is amazingly close to just about everything (1mi from 2 major interstates), and with the cash bonanza we got from selling at the top of the bubble in Florida, we put about 2/3rds down and borrowed the rest….which makes for a stress-free mortgage payment, as well as being able to hold some cash out, which we call our “Florida money”…lol.

As for the climate, being a tad further south than NC or Tennessee, the winters here really are quite nice, with highs in the 50’s and 60’s just about all winter long. The period from Oct-April is actually my preferred time of the year…nice, cool or mild sunny days and crisp nights….ahhhh, that’s what I call living :)

And if big city living isn’t for you, I suggest you check out the wonderful little town of Dahlonega, 70 miles north of here, or Rome, another progressive little town that has a lot of things going for it. The housing prices in these places compared to Florida really can’t be beat.

Now, if somebody would just turn off the tap to the condo mania we have going on around here…I call it the “condo cancer”…LOL.

Comment by Bad Andy
2007-07-03 11:40:14

“Why don’t you consider Georgia?”

ROTFLMAO! Considered it…still have all my teeth…decided against it.

Comment by JayInMD
2007-07-03 16:05:14

Give me a break! I have my teeth so no to GA? Tell that to Coke, CNN and several other major mti nationals HQ’d in ATL. Oh yeah and Ga Tech? Emory? Nuff said about the everything down south is hillbilly, grow up. And no I’m not from GA, just tired of all the “everything down south is stipid, racist, backwatd, etc”

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Comment by Rob in WPB
2007-07-03 17:39:54

I’ve seen this ignorant attitude by many wealthy people.. “If it’s not New York or South Florida, it must be full of rednecks and hillbillies.” It’s very funny to me that people can have this sterotypical attitude and claim to be “cultured.” Some people will always believe that the South is full of poor, uneducated, toothless, lazy white people. I love South Florida but I know the rest of the South isn’t just rednecks.

 
 
 
 
Comment by tcm_guy
2007-07-03 22:20:01

Not entirely true. TN has a 5% income tax on dividends and interest. I believe both taxes are waived if the divs and int are from a TN state bank.

FAQ for TN state income tax:

http://www.state.tn.us/revenue//faqs/indincome.htm#hall3

Questions #7 and #8 deal with what divs and int is and is not exempt.

Got 10% down?

Comment by Bye FL
2007-07-04 03:52:38

I thought it was 3%? Well TN is ranked 48th on tax burden. AK is ranked 50th but very cold except in summer. How does state income tax factor in if someone owns property in more than 1 state?

 
 
 
Comment by Robert
2007-07-03 14:55:28

Just moved to Boca. Rent a fantastic house! Whats not to like?

 
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Comment by need 2 leave ca
2007-07-03 19:51:10

great not having any car payment - those are for the debtbirds. i am fine with my 14 yr old car. it gets me around. cheap insurance, no payment, good mechanic to check it regularly.

 
Comment by gordo nyc / Ormond Beach
2007-07-05 15:11:05

Sold coop apt NYC 12/06
Rented Florida 3/07
Waiting two more years to buy.
Will save $50-$100K

Gordo

 
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