July 11, 2007

Another Sign That Sellers Should Be More Realistic

The Review Journal reports from Nevada. “The inventory of single-family homes available for sale in Las Vegas climbed to a record 23,642 in June, topping the previous peak of 23,474 in October, the Greater Las Vegas Association of Realtors reported Monday. The number rose 18.1 percent from the same month a year ago.”

“‘We see this as another sign that sellers should be more realistic about the time their home can spend on the market,’ said Devin Reiss, president of the Realtors association.”

“The median price rose 1.2 percent from the previous month to $305,000 although it’s still down $10,000, or 3.2 percent, from last year.”

“The number of condos and townhomes for sale was 6,263, an increase of 35.3 percent from a year ago. The median price of $194,250 is down 5.2 percent from June 2006. There were 1,476 single-family home sales in June, down 41.6 percent from a year ago.”

From Las Vegas Now in Nevada. “A zip code-by-zip code analysis found that an area of North Las Vegas has one of the nation’s 10 worst rates of home foreclosure. Our area has 8 in the top 100, and according to Realty Trac, we also have 24 zip codes in the top 500.”

“Eric Banks moved to Las Vegas from California a few years ago. Work was steady, it was a buyer’s market, so he bought a home in Summerlin. Today, he is close to losing his home to foreclosure, because he can’t make the mortgage payments.”

“‘The only option is to sell or foreclose,’ said Banks. ‘I’m unable to make the payments. I’m watching the value of my house drop,’ he said.”

“He’s missed his mortgage payment twice and says there is nothing he can do about it.”

“‘I am one of those people who got into a house when I was making a good deal of money and over the last year I’ve seen my income drop by 60- 70%,’ said Banks.”

The Arizona Republic. “Less than a month after lawmakers approved a $10.6 billion state budget, revenues are already falling short of projections, a state budget report says. In fact, the state may wind up with a deficit for the just-concluded fiscal year, raising the prospect of a bumpy financial path in the coming year.”

“Figures from the Joint Legislative Budget Committee show that the most recent tax collections are $139 million below that forecast.”

“One of the major factors leading to the decline in tax revenue is the slowdown in the housing market, the report states. The state showed a drop of 900 construction jobs in May, compared with a 10-year average gain of 2,200 construction jobs in May.”

“The budget committee report strikes a wait-and-see attitude about what the decline in tax collections could mean. It’s hard to project what may happen in coming months, as uncertainty continues about the housing market and the national economy moves at a slower pace.”

“The budget report notes that individual income-tax collections this May fell 27 percent from May 2006, a drop of $114 million from what was forecast. Money from the corporate income tax dropped 10 percent. And sales-tax collections are at their lowest point in four years, falling $35 million below the predictions on which the current budget is based.”

“The report says the stunning 20 percent boost in tax collections that the state saw in 2005-’06 was a one-time event and can’t be counted on to bail the state out in leaner times.”

The Denver Post from Colorado. “Some mortgage lenders in Colorado are scaling back the type of loans they provide to consumers through mortgage brokers, prompted by a regulatory change aimed at reining in unscrupulous mortgage brokers.”

“Some lenders operating in Colorado are no longer offering through brokers so-called ‘no-documentation’ loans, which allow consumers to take on mortgages without having to provide extensive documentation proving their income levels.”

“The move by the lenders is partly in response to Senate Bill 216, which made mortgage brokers potentially liable for selling loans to people who might not be able to afford them. The law, which took effect July 1, requires brokers to ‘make a reasonable inquiry concerning the borrower’s current and prospective income’ and to act with ‘good faith and fair dealing’ when selling mortgages.”

“While the law at issue suggests that brokers, not the lenders, are liable if the loans violate that good-faith standard, some lenders have decided to pull back anyway on the use of no-documentation loans, industry officials said.”

“‘The result of (SB 216) is that there is uncertainty on whether lenders can make these loans,’ said Chris Holbert, president of the Colorado Mortgage Lenders Association. ‘We hope we can find a remedy next legislative session.’”

“Some lenders remain concerned that they could become snarled in a lawsuit if they provide lending to brokers who sell no-documentation mortgages but neglect to verify the borrower’s income, said Jim Lewis, president of Clarion Mortgage Capital Inc. in Denver.”

“‘Confusion causes paralysis,’ said Lewis, whose mortgage-lending company has scaled back the use of no-documentation loans. ‘There are still concerns for lenders, and that could impact the availability of credit and exclude certain borrowers.’”

The Rocky Mountain News from Colorado. “Denver should create an ombudsman to deal with the record foreclosures rocking the city, a task force is recommending. ‘I would describe it as a foreclosure czar or a housing czar,’ said Michael Hancock, City Council president.”

“Since 2002, the city has experienced an estimated 400 percent increase in the number of foreclosures. In 2006, a total of 5,162 foreclosures were reported, a 14 percent increase from the prior year, the report said.”

“Montbello, in particular, will need help from the public sector, said Hancock, who represents the northeast Denver area. Last year, there were more than 900 foreclosures in Montbello, and Hancock said he expects at least that many this year.”

“‘The market will take care of Green Valley Ranch,’ where there also are a large number of foreclosures, he said.”

From CBS 4 Denver in Colorado. “The latest reports show the number of unsold homes on the market was down 5.2 percent at the end of June compared to last year. The record number of foreclosures during the past year is still affecting the re-sale market. Analysts suggest many potential sellers are holding back for fear of competition from low priced homes in foreclosure.”

“Analysts believe the market in the Denver area has stabilized. Local real estate broker Gary Bauer predicts the state will end the year with the same number of transactions as last year.”

“‘We’re not like Las Vegas,’ he said. ‘We’re not going to see a 40 percent drop in value overnight. Yes, we’re going to see some ups and downs and we’re going to end up the year probably fairly flat.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2007-07-11 12:55:51

‘Some Front Range real estate investors are abandoning their search in the Denver metro area and moving into the mountains. Last week, Dillon-based real estate broker Dan Burnett of Summit Resort Group had three such clients walk into his office. With a depressed market in Denver, more investors are looking to buy property in Summit County, Burnett said.’

‘Thompson said he normally sees between 25 and 40 established lake view units for sale in Dillon during the summer; right before 4th of July, there were 10, with an additional 10 in a new development in the middle of town, as opposed to closer to Dillon Reservoir. Last spring, there were more real estate agents than properties for sale, he said, though this summer that shifted a bit. Still, Burnett normally has 20 listings, and he currently has six.’

‘People are saying, ‘My real estate is going up in value. Why would I want to sell it now?’ Burnett said.’

‘Overall, we continue to see good, strong steady growth,’ he said. ‘What gives me comfort is the market isn’t exploding — if it were higher than average it can go down (significantly).’

‘In May, the dollar volume of real estate transactions increased by 16 percent, compared to May 2006. The number of transactions rose 5 percent. Single-family gross residential price averaged $774,049; multifamily homes averaged $396,525 and vacant land averaged $419,377 in May.’

‘High Country resort regions live in a protective bubble, so the Front Range market doesn’t reflect the mountain market. Thompson likes to describe it as an island surrounded by a national forest and ocean.’

Comment by joeyinCalif
2007-07-11 13:38:23

“..High Country resort regions live in a protective bubble..”

bah .. transactions.. sales.. meaningless.
If Lake Tahoe is suffering, and it is, then no place is immune.

Mr. Burnett, pay a couple hundred for an independent unbiased appraisal and see what’s what.. unless yer chicken? squawk squawk!

 
Comment by climber
2007-07-11 13:39:59

Denver had their boom in the late 90’s, it’s still overpriced compared to salaries paid in the area. Denver was like Las Vegas during that time, it just happened sooner and then stopped with all the telecom layoffs.

Denver is a city in the middle of high arid plains. There’s hardly enough water and there’s nothing to recommend it except for proximity to the mountains. Denver, if not for the mountains would be less desirable then Des Moines. Prices can still fall a lot in Denver.

Comment by DenverLowBaller
2007-07-11 13:46:51

Agree totally with you on the early boom, and prices never went down. However, Denver = Des Moines is a stretch. (Maybe you were trying to scare off the onsaught of transplants every RE agent is convinced will be coming here in the next 2 years to save us.) Prices can, and will, come down in Denver, IMHO.

Comment by climber
2007-07-11 13:53:18

While living in Raleigh NC, I had a job offer to go back to Denver (Tech Center). Downtown Denver I can handle, Golden is awesome, but DTC is pathetic given traffic and SE metro area house prices. I turned it down.

Frankly, I wouldn’t want to live/work anywhere East of Wadsworth.

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Comment by In Colorado
2007-07-11 14:00:05

What, you don’t think Aurora is the bees knees?

 
Comment by DenverLowBaller
2007-07-11 14:02:06

Brighton and Commerce City are beautiful when the sun hits the brown cloud just right. :)

 
Comment by In Colorado
2007-07-11 14:03:58

I imagine that Commerce City gave the Rapids a sweet deal to build their new stadium/sports complex in their beautiful city.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2007-07-11 13:57:46

More than wages being low (heck, they’re better than San Diego) I think that a real problem out here is the lack of stability. There was a great article in the Post a few years ago when the telecom bust was in full swing. It chronicled the experiences of several professional type people who relocated to Denver (with a job offer). The typical experience: after about a year in the job they were laid off. After a few months the land a new job that pays 20% less than the old job. 6 months later they are laid off again. Now they panic and take temp/contract jobs, but they find themselves still unemployed most of the time, at which point they start searching elsewhere and eventually leave. Most are amazed at how hard it is to make it in Denver and swear to never come back.

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Comment by kThomas
2007-07-11 14:21:15

Sounds like a raw deal.

 
Comment by gwynster
2007-07-11 14:22:12

In 98, Worldcom offered me a big package to move to CO. No way was I going to take it. 2 people from my unit did make the jump, one because he needed the health ins after a lung replacement and the other for his greencard.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2007-07-11 15:43:09

The only stable employer in Colo Springs is the Air Force.

 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2007-07-11 16:01:03

Denver, if not for the mountains would be less desirable then Des Moines

I recall hearing Greeley described as “Kansas with a backdrop”

Comment by novawatcher
2007-07-11 20:27:17

I lived in eastern Kansas for about 5 years. I was shocked when I got there: it wasn’t flat at all, but instead was full of rolling hills. Not flat at all! (you find that out rather quickly if you like to jog or bike). I had moved there from the Appalachians, so I knew had some experience with hills and mountains.

As for Colorado and Kansas, I should have known better, as I had had an American geography class in college. I remember learning that most of Colorado was flat as a rock.

Sure enough, several years later, my wife an I had a layover in Denver. If you looked out of one side of the airport, you saw the mountains. If you looked out the other side, it was so flat you could see almost make out the Statue of Liberty on the horizon (my stupid joke at the time).

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Comment by climber
2007-07-11 13:47:05

Dillon is no Apen or Telluride. Dillon properties generally are rented out, so they are still dependent on well to do consumers having spending money. When we were looking to rent a condo we found that mountain properties rent for around $100 to $200 per day off season and way more during ski season. Those rental rates support some pretty high prices.

Aspen and Telluride (and Vail to some extent) are hangouts for the filthy rich. Property there is different, and not necessarily in a good way. The snob factor is terrible.

Comment by In Colorado
2007-07-11 14:06:34

We are headed out to a soccer tornament in Steamboat Springs tomorrow. Even though its off season and there really isn’t much to do in Steamboat this time of year, hotel rates are rather pricey (no doubt in large part because of the tournament).

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2007-07-11 14:26:34

“Aspen and Telluride (and Vail to some extent) are hangouts for the filthy rich. Property there is different, and not necessarily in a good way. The snob factor is terrible.”

Thanks for the warning. I was thinking of taking a trip through the Rockies this summer, and will steer clear of these places. I generally don’t like rubbing elbows with these types. Of course with my 120lb pup (he’s a little intimidating), and my shoulder length hair, they wouldn’t like me much anyways.

Comment by shadash
2007-07-11 14:47:52

If you want to see an amazing place go to Ouray, Colorado during the summer.

Here’s a description…

Situated in a river valley at 7,700 ft. in the heart of the Rocky Mountains lies the spectacular mountain town of Ouray, eloquently nicknamed the Switzerland of America.

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Comment by BanteringBear
2007-07-11 15:03:26

Thanks shadash, I’ll be sure to check it out on my trip. It sounds like our kind of place.

 
Comment by technovelist
2007-07-14 03:37:53

By the way, Ouray was the inspiration for the location of “Galt’s Gulch” in Atlas Shrugged.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Mo Money
2007-07-11 13:11:21

“Denver should create an ombudsman to deal with the record foreclosures rocking the city, a task force is recommending. ‘I would describe it as a foreclosure czar or a housing czar,’ said Michael Hancock, City Council president.”

Great, create yet another totally useless, powerless government job so it looks like you are doing something.

Comment by climber
2007-07-11 14:06:15

Denver should make mortgages non recourse. Then the poor SOBs who got tempted into stupid mortgages could shaft the idiot lenders and go back to renting unmolested. Aside from that there is no solution that won’t be a taxpayer boondoggle.

 
Comment by ric
2007-07-11 14:20:27

Useless unless the “czar” is given the authority to commission an “army” which is then used to investigate the fraud, kick the FB out, impound the property, and then auction it off at its realistic value, and assess a special eviction fee to the FB and usury penalty to the lenders/brokers/realtors involved in the loan fraud to cover the czar(ina)’s operating and administrative costs at no further cost to the taxpaying public. Don’t like it? Poor house is over thataway…

One can dream.

Comment by HelloKitty
2007-07-11 15:26:09

They should be able to seize the property and fund the police department when Mortgage Fraud is found. Just like the drug war!! If they find a pot farm - they ‘take’ the home!

Lets get behind this, strapped 4 cash local gubbermint would love it. THEN we will see those lenders require downpayments and real appraisals.

 
 
 
Comment by House Inspector Clouseau
2007-07-11 13:13:10

“The inventory of single-family homes available for sale in Las Vegas climbed to a record 23,642 in June, topping the previous peak of 23,474 in October”

Hmm… That’s not good… rising inventory during what is typically the strong selling season when inventory should be falling…

“The number rose 18.1 percent from the same month a year ago.”

and I guess we can’t call it “seasonal” either.

 
Comment by potential homebuyer
2007-07-11 13:21:09

Off topic here, but hoped maybe I could get some info. We are looking at a house that is a short sale. It goes to foreclosure auction soon. If we get the home for 50% less than what the current homeowners owe, do we have to pay capital gains tax???? Any helpful hints for purchasing a home in foreclosure or a short sale would be great. With the real estate market here out of whack, it seems the only way to get a decent home for a reasonable price is this way.
thanks!

Comment by crisrose
2007-07-11 13:42:57

“If we get the home for 50% less than what the current homeowners owe, do we have to pay capital gains tax????”

No.

Comment by arizonadude
2007-07-11 14:23:36

Why would you have to pay capital gains? You did not have a gain in the deal.
Get a good pest inspection and home inspection done.The money is well worth the hassles of not knowing what you are buying.If you buy before forclosure, via short sale, you can probably have a buyers agent represent you for free as the seller pays commisions.Also make dam sure you are not repsonsible for any other liens on the property if you buy.I don’t know the rules about forclosures but you do not want to buy and then find out there are a sh@tload of liens on the property you are now responsible for.

 
 
Comment by LaLawyer
2007-07-11 13:48:26

Just make sure that you have a great house inspector. Really key, since you won’t have much recourse in the event of later discovery of something wrong.

 
Comment by OB_Tom
2007-07-11 13:50:07

I’m afraid it’s the questions you don’t even know that could kill your deal.

This guy has some training classes, and a lot of articles. You could start out by reading those….:
http://www.foreclosureforum.com/articles/

 
 
Comment by Ghostwriter
2007-07-11 13:24:21

“‘I am one of those people who got into a house when I was making a good deal of money and over the last year I’ve seen my income drop by 60- 70%,’ said Banks.”

But had he been making a good deal of money for a few years or was it a big spike one year and then right back down. Used to be you had to have your job for 2 years or if you transferred it had to be in the same field. Guess that rule doesn’t apply any more.

Comment by Steve in Flyover Land
2007-07-11 13:31:49

It’s more likely that he’s one of those people who claimed a large income so he could get in on the real estate gold rush. Now that he can’t sell for a profit he’s sees a ‘60-70%’ difference what he actually would need to pay for his house and his real income.

 
Comment by SoBay
2007-07-11 13:54:37

“‘I am one of those people who got into a house when I was making a good deal of money and over the last year I’ve seen my income drop by 60- 70%,’ said Banks.”

- Gee, I am going to take a wild guess that his employment was somehow related to the housing industry. So, his decrease in income will affect Jose’s job at the taco stand whose job will affect …..

Comment by ric
2007-07-11 14:34:06

Yes Mr. Banks. I understand. I was one of those people who was trying to get a house and was making a great deal of money and was priced out nonetheless. And over the last few years I’ve seen my income increase by 60-70%, and because of this stupid financial bubble I was even more priced out. So I didn’t buy, and tried to warn people, and because of that was laughed at and ridiculed by people like you.

So, Mr. Banks, I ask you two questions:

Do you think I care about your plight?, and
Do you know what schadenfreude means?

Comment by Red Pill
2007-07-11 14:55:09

Exactly. Mr. Banks did you not notice ours is a country of hedge funds, religions of the market, cutthroat competition, market based medical care and rugged individualism? You are just an “individual worker unit” to be moved around as the market economy sees fit. You see, Mr. Banks, it maximizes efficiency. I was taught it was me against you. So the past few years, my quality of life was diminished because things became more expensive and I was not willing to take on debt. To buy a house, I had to compete against greedy flippers, zero down idiots, and the subprime who could not even organize their lives. I was a loser then. But, now you see, Mr. Banks, your loss is my gain. So sorry. What’s that, Mr. Banks? Sympathy? Christian values? Social safety nets? I am sorry, Mr. Banks, that does not compute. It is a fact that your loss is my gain…..

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Comment by joe momma
2007-07-11 15:17:36

Love it!

 
Comment by Ken Best
2007-07-12 00:56:15

The Banks and the banks !

 
 
 
 
Comment by salinasron
2007-07-11 14:11:09

Sounds like he moved into the area to sell RE and now is selling nothing.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2007-07-11 15:59:33

“If a homeowner does chose the short sale option, there is always the possibility of them not making any money at all, but it gets them out of a bind and possibly helps save their credit rating.”

Huh? I thought that it was guaranteed that the only thing a short sale FB walks away with is a 1099.

 
 
Comment by Mr Vincent
2007-07-11 13:41:33

“..he bought a home in Summerlin (Las Vegas). Today, he is close to losing his home to foreclosure, because he can’t make the mortgage payments.”

I have been tracking the zipcodes in the Summerlin MLS for the last couple of months now.

Summerlin is a huge master planned community. It has houses that range from entry level to mansion level. The entry level homes have tiny lots and basically look like detached condos. On the mansion level, there is a huge house in one of the many gated areas of Summerlin that sold a couple of months ago for 12 million I believe.

Home prices are dropping there but are still overpriced. A number of short sale and foreclosures, but they are not in panic mode yet. By this time next year I expect some serious distress.

Vegas is in drought mode right now. Water resources is and always will be an issue there.

Summerlin was mentioned as a mortgage trouble spot in Pimco’s recent bond fund newsletter.

Comment by salinasron
2007-07-11 14:15:33

What’s a monthly water and cooling bill running in the area now?

Comment by arizonadude
2007-07-11 14:28:27

I don’t know about vegas but here near phoeinix my water and sewer bill is about 27.00/month. Last months electric bill was 85.00 and this months will be about 120.00. I am not keeping the thermostat very low so I’m probably cheaper than most. I think I need to get some shades on my windows.My upstairs is pretty toasty when it gets 115.

Comment by Norcal Ray
2007-07-11 14:36:02

That is very cheap cost for having A/C on all the time.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2007-07-12 06:34:46

In Louisianna they tape aluminum foil to the inside of the windows.

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Comment by lvrenter
2007-07-11 14:48:49

1800 sqft townhouse. 220 or so electric bill in the heat of the summer. AC always on so the dog doesn’t melt in July.

 
Comment by SteveR
2007-07-11 18:32:21

Using last year’s summer figures, my electric bill ran over $350 twice and a bit over $300 once. Water runs me about $100 month in the summer.

And to the agent saying seller’s should get agressive, I’ve got my place up for $60K less than its peak in 2005, am at early 2004 prices. Two identical houses sold last month, both priced higher, one over $20K more. My problem is going FSBO and not wanting to pay agents $20K. I had one agent call and say I now needed to offer buyer’s agents 4%. Even though many agents haven’t made a sale all year, they will not budge on commission rates. I’d take 2% if I hadn’t had a payday in 7 months.

Comment by SteveR
2007-07-11 18:39:11

That’s in a 1700 sq. ft. home, by the way, 6 years old.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2007-07-12 06:42:27

The agent may not be able to agree to 2% if they work for an agency and have to make a spit to the agency. I used an independent agent once who could negotiate. I wonder if they are extinct.

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Comment by lavi d
2007-07-11 20:17:15

What’s a monthly water and cooling bill running in the area now?

1600 sqft (old rental), $175 (summer) electric, $20 water.

I have a new rental, (1200sqft) but no data yet.

Comment by lavi d
2007-07-11 20:18:36

Oh yeah, I try to remember to set the thermostat to 85 when I leave for work. 82 when I”m home.

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Comment by Norcal Ray
2007-07-11 14:37:22

Seems Summerlin is the nicest part of LV when I visit a friend who lives there. There were some nice houses and the area seemed well to do.

Comment by lvrenter
2007-07-11 14:52:09

Summerlin is okay if you don’t mind traffic and Californians. US 95 is a disaster and will probably remain so for the foreseeable future. South side of town is just as nice with less traffic. Nothing against Californians, I just prefer them in California.

 
Comment by SteveR
2007-07-11 18:37:41

Summerlin’s supposed to be nice, though I knew one woman who bought and ended up in more than one home owners assocation type deal. I’ve lived here going on 7 years, and have never been in Summerlin, no desire to see anything in the Vegas area outside of my immediate area (local driving habits make a drive anywhere a suicide attempt). I can look down and see the Strip and downtown, and they might as well be 100 miles away.

 
 
 
Comment by The Thinker
2007-07-11 13:41:45

We’ve heard enough about Califlorvada, isnt there any housing news from the north-east?

Comment by DC_Too
2007-07-11 14:06:02

The first thread this morning was on New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Connecticut and Delaware.

“The Reader”

Comment by Mikey(2)
2007-07-11 14:43:30

lol.

“The laugher”

 
 
 
Comment by DenverLowBaller
2007-07-11 13:42:27

Denver middle class neighborhoods have more property for sale, but not in mass numbers like other cities. We are not Las Vegas, true. However, people are riding the equity razor’s edge and I suspect by this fall/winter the ARM resets will bring us a lot more pain. Any slight change in the employment climate, and the hurt amplified, significantly.

Comment by climber
2007-07-11 14:01:38

It seems to me Denver was early in the mortgage equity withdrawl binge. I was getting solicitations for 125% MEW loans way back in 97 and 98 before I left the area. We moved to Raleigh NC and it was not so prevalent there (house prices had been stuck in a 4%/ year appreciation trend for the last decade or more so maybe people there just didn’t have enough equity to “exploit”.

I live in Northern Colorado now and I have a lot of neighbors who seem to have taken the MEW cash. There are a LOT of new cars in my neighborhood. We’re mostly blue collar two income families or single income techies. New cars should be fairly rare here.

Comment by DenverLowBaller
2007-07-11 14:09:06

Yes, funky mortgage games have been around here for a long time. Along with the “refi that arm” two-step and “name your price” appraisal gameshow. I would move back to Ft. Collins in a heartbeat, but the daily commute to downtown Denver brings a tear to my eye.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2007-07-11 14:09:25

My experience is that the torrent of refi solictations has definitely slowed down in Larimer county.

Comment by Front Range Bob
2007-07-11 15:34:51

Yet most people in Fort Collins still seem to be living far beyond their means as dictated by the area’s employment and median income. Lag effect, perhaps?

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Comment by In Colorado
2007-07-11 15:49:00

Hey, its the American way!

 
Comment by Smithers
2007-07-12 08:48:24

I’ve heard that Ft. Collins is at least 50% transplants and I’m one of them. I questioned the housing market here 7 yrs ago when I came from KS. Wages didn’t match average or median home prices. What I’ve found is that we have a ton of retirees and many cash buyers. The long-timers have seen great appreciation over the past 15 years or so. Sure we have some overextended folk here, but IMO that’s a small percentage of the total. Foreclosures in the Fort are growing, but nowhere near Greeley. Unfortunately job growth is nominal unless you’re medical, university or commercial construction. I expect continued flat # of transactions and medians up here.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2007-07-11 13:46:23

“‘We’re not like Las Vegas,’ he said. ‘We’re not going to see a 40 percent drop in value overnight.”

Now that is something…a 40% haricut and this bubble meltdown is just starting…

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2007-07-11 14:03:48

“While the law at issue suggests that brokers, not the lenders, are liable if the loans violate that good-faith standard, some lenders have decided to pull back anyway on the use of no-documentation loans, industry officials said.”

Getting rid of the no-doc loans will drive a stake through the heart of the housing bubble. If lenders would have verified income on every purchase, and adhered to a standard DTI ratio, the bubble would have never even materialized. The fantasy home prices are based on fantasy wages. It’s insulting to the honest, hard working individuals and families who were hoping to buy a home for the utilitarian value; a home they could traditionally afford.

Comment by DenverLowBaller
2007-07-11 14:31:00

I can see why it would be insulting. However, what about those who sold at peak or were patient in a rental and would like to capitalize on a better home for long-term use by waiting it out, at the expense of those who made poor financial descisions? I hope those on the losing end are insulted by those actions while standing before the man in bankruptcy court. I think someone yesterday said we are a speculators, either on the way up or the way down. This is the world we live in, I’m not saying it is right, but when is it ever.

Comment by DenverLowBaller
2007-07-11 14:47:48

And Bear, there are some great places in the Rockies for you to visit and not run into the snob set in Aspen & Telluride. Vail not as bad, but still expensive. We are a very dog friendly state, even the 120 lb. kind.

Comment by BanteringBear
2007-07-11 15:00:04

Thanks for the info. I’m looking forward to checking the area out very soon.

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Comment by BanteringBear
2007-07-11 14:59:23

Yes, we are all speculating here. There are no guarantees of a price crash, though it would seem impossible to avoid. I think the distinction between those who are waiting for a fair price at the expense of the sellers, and the sellers themselves, is honesty and integrity. It’s neither illegal nor unethical to wait for a good buy, but it certainly is to lie on financial documents. As for those who sold at the peak, they made a wise decision, and there is nothing legally or morally wrong with that.

 
Comment by HelloKitty
2007-07-11 15:30:28

interesting point. Bubble sitters are also speculators but trying to push prices lower by NOT buying….

However we do not use mortgage fraud. And most of us will not buy 10 homes at once when we do buy but only one.

There are bubble heads that want to buy a fleet of properties after a crash but they are mistaken. Why not buy right now in OH, IN, or FL?!? Those places have crashed and are CHEAP as HELL right NOW.

 
 
 
Comment by Skip
2007-07-11 14:18:26

“Montbello, in particular, will need help from the public sector

I sure hope the public sector is well armed before they step foot in Montbello….

 
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