July 20, 2007

Market’s Punishment Swift, Harsh And Without Prejudice

Some housing bubble news from Wall Street and Washington. MarketWatch, “NVR Inc.’s second-quarter net income fell 52% from a year earlier, reflecting declining home prices as well as a land-related impairment charge, the residential builder’s financial results showed Friday. The company said orders for new homes fell 11% in the latest quarter, as sales and profit margins ‘continue to be negatively impacted by high levels of new and existing home inventories, affordability issues and declining home-buyer confidence.’”

“NVR said its cancellation rate held steady from the first quarter at 16%. Gross margin narrowed to 18.1% from 24.3% in the year-ago quarter. The company blamed the decline on lower home prices and land-deposit impairments of about $55 million.”

The Financial Times. “Beazer Homes will likely take a USD 100m-USD 200m impairment charge on land and land option write-offs for 3Q07, said two analysts.”

“Those charges should keep pressure on the company’s gross profit margin which have already shrunk to 5% for the second quarter ended March 2007 from 25% during the same period in 2006, said the two analysts and a buysider.”

From Reuters. “The chief executive of KB Home, the No. 5 U.S. home builder, said on Thursday he does not expect the overall U.S. home market to bottom out until the end of next year and that prices will not increase until well into 2009.”

“‘By the end of ‘08 it will start to stabilize,’” Jeffrey Mezger told Reuters. ‘Then it will start to go back up in ‘09. I think it will take a year.’”

The oversupply of existing homes on the market is thwarting efforts by U.S. home builders to spur demand by cutting prices, he said, adding that tightened mortgage requirements after the subprime mortgage crisis were not the chief reason for weakness in the U.S. housing market.”

“‘The bigger factor to me is how many of the markets have this huge resale inventory that has to clear and is going to keep pressure on pricing,’ Mezger said. ‘In a lot of the markets we’re in the new median price is below resale.’”

“He said that in Southern California, Las Vegas and parts of Florida, such as Orlando, the median price of a new home is less than that of an existing home.”

“‘In normal times in a market in balance, new homes carry about a 10 percent premium over resale,’ he said. ‘If today new homes are priced below resale and still not selling, and you have this huge glut of resale inventory, until those prices get back down and they could go low enough for new homes to go down again, we’re going to have an oversupplied market.’”

The Associated Press. “Bank of America recorded another profitable quarter yesterday, but gave investors reason to worry as it fattened its provisions for loan losses, an indication it sees lending risks growing.”

“Its provision for credit losses ballooned 79.2 percent to $1.81 billion, up from $1.24 billion in the first quarter and $1.01 billion in the second quarter of 2006. Net charge-offs, or bad loans, rose to $1.5 billion, compared with $1.43 billion in the first quarter and $1.02 billion in the year-ago quarter.”

“Like its peers, Bank of America’s second quarter results reflected the ongoing challenges in the loan environment. ‘(We) remain a little concerned about domestic consumption spending given the prolonged housing subprime issues and higher fuel prices,’ said Kenneth Lewis, Bank of America’s CEO.”

From Bloomberg. “Wachovia Corp., the fourth-biggest U.S. bank, said second-quarter earnings rose after the takeover of Golden West Financial Corp. Kennedy Thompson has tried to quell investor concern that Golden West, which focused on adjustable- rate mortgages, was purchased just as the five-year housing boom faded.”

“Today, Wachovia said its non-interest expense jumped 14 percent and predicted that net interest income will be at the low end of its 2007 forecast.”

“Wachovia’s total provision for credit losses rose to $179 million from $59 million a year earlier. Loans it couldn’t collect almost tripled to $150 million from a year earlier. They fell from $155 million in the first quarter.”

“JPMorgan Chase & Co. said so-called managed provision for credit losses doubled to $2.12 billion in the quarter from $1.05 billion a year earlier.”

The Journal Sentinel. “Profits rose for Marshall & Ilsley Corp. in the second quarter, but the bank missed Wall Street earnings estimates and boosted the amount set aside for loans that might go bad.”

“Loans and leases categorized as non-performing, those not being paid back according to the original lending terms, totaled $384 million in the quarter. That compared with $198 million in second quarter of 2006.”

“‘The largest increases came in the residential mortgage and construction and land development portfolios,’ Greg Smith, M&I’s chief financial officer, said of the non-performing loans.”

“The slowdown in the housing market led to ’stress for some borrowers in that segment,’ Smith told stock analysts.”

“Subprime mortgage defaults will increase this year and holders of securities linked to those home loans may record losses well into next year, JPMorgan Chase & Co. analysts said.”

“‘The worst is not over in the subprime mortgage market,’ analysts led by Chris Flanagan, the head of structured finance strategy at JPMorgan, said in a report. ‘We expect continued deterioration in subprime loan performance through the balance of this year, and it is likely to be well into 2008 before the problems in securitized portfolios begin to abate.’”

“‘Unfortunately I don’t think we have hit bottom’ in defaults, said Freddie Mac CEO Richard Syron, whose company is the second-largest source of money for home loans behind Fannie Mae. ‘Things are going to get worse.’”

“Flanagan, in a report titled ‘Subprime Meltdown, the Repricing of Credit and the Impact Across Asset Classes,’ said home price declines will lead to increases in defaults. Almost half of subprime borrowers won’t be able to refinance their loans when they reset in the next 18 months, JPMorgan predicts. Flanagan described conditions as ‘very bleak.’”

“The JPMorgan report said investors should not be optimistic that borrowers will forestall default through loan modifications.”

“‘Some borrowers may not qualify; for example, if the original loan was based on fraudulent reporting of income and the fraud is discovered when re-qualifying, modification would likely not be an option,’ the report said.”

“The increased risk of default prompted Moody’s Investors Service, Standard & Poor’s and Fitch Ratings to begin cutting credit ratings on hundreds of bonds last week. The ratings companies all warned that the housing slump is broadening.”

From Fitch Ratings. “CIT Group Inc. reported a 2Q007 pretax charge of $765 million in connection with the planned exit of the company’s home lending business. Although the decision resulted in a loss for the quarter, Fitch believes that exiting the residential real estate lending…may prove beneficial in the long run.”

The Australian. “Senior bankers have said the crisis enveloping hedge fund operator Basis Capital is serious, with warning signs flashing for local capital markets.”

“They have had their values slashed since May because of their exposure to the CDO (collateralised debt obligation) market, which in turn was partly exposed to the US sub-prime mortgage market.”

“Pictured is Mr Fowler collecting an award at the Asia Hedge Awards in 2006 at which the Basis Yield Fund was named Fund of the Year in the ‘fixed income, high yield and distressed’ category.”

“By an irony, the ‘distressed’ assets referred to are assets that have been acquired at reduced prices because their vendors have been financially stretched.”

“There are two main causes of the turmoil in the sub-prime market, and its increasing relevance for local investors. First, poor lending standards resulted in mortgage lending to risky customers with only a limited capacity to repay.”

“Second, and most important for Australians exposed to the crisis, the loans were repackaged through securitisation and sold throughout the world, finding their way into the portfolios of largely unsuspecting investors, according to Schroders.”

“This led to a complete disconnect between the originators of the loans and the eventual holders of the risk. The disconnect was further enhanced by complex structuring mechanisms, transposing the loan parcels into CDOs.”

“ANZ institutional boss Peter linked the cascading effect of turmoil in the sub-prime market to the wider debt market, particularly highly leveraged private equity deals. ‘Leverage is always the first thing that catches a cold first, and there’s probably been some pretty toppy multiples paid for some of those businesses,’ he said.”

“Foreign banks, including Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, Citigroup, JP Morgan and Morgan Stanley, have the biggest exposure to Basis Capital.”

“The Basis Yield Alpha Fund (Master) has failed to meet margin calls and some of its lenders have declared the fund in default and are trying to seize its assets, Zenith Investment Partners, a research firm, wrote in a report on Thursday.”

“Basis warned that if its lenders seize assets of the Basis Yield fund and sell at ‘distressed sale prices,’ the net asset value of the fund could be halved compared to its May 31 level, Zenith’s report said.”

“Poor underwriting and investment decisions in subprime mortgage markets have led to the losses that are now even-handedly punishing lenders and investors, St. Louis Federal Reserve Bank President William Poole said on Friday.”

“‘I believe we should conclude that this year’s markets punished mostly bad actors and/or poor lending practices,’ Poole said in remarks prepared for delivery to a real estate group.”

“‘As is often the case, the market’s punishment of unsound financial arrangements has been swift, harsh and without prejudice,’ he said.”

“Poole said problems in subprime mortgage markets may have been unavoidable given the clash of new financial products and a cooling housing market. But while it was widely expected around 2004 that interest rates would rise, it was surprising that adjustable-rate loans were made so extensively to borrowers with shaky credit histories.”

“‘It is difficult to avoid the judgment that these ARM loans were poorly underwritten at the outset,’ Poole said. ‘It was imprudent for mortgage brokers and lenders to approve borrowers who likely could not service the loans when rates rose,’ he added.”

“Poole said the non-prime mortgage market, with originations in 2006 of about $1 trillion, is ‘clearly large enough to affect aggregate home-building activity and consumer spending.’”




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Comment by imploder
2007-07-20 10:59:08

Poole said problems in subprime mortgage markets may have been unavoidable given the clash of new financial products and a cooling housing market. But while it was widely expected around 2004 that interest rates would rise, it was surprising that adjustable-rate loans were made so extensively to borrowers with shaky credit histories.”

uhhh. Don’t you belong to the organization who’s then leader, Greenspan, told everyone what a great financial tool the adjustable mortgage was?

Comment by sf jack
2007-07-20 11:15:37

“it was surprising that adjustable-rate loans were made so extensively to borrowers with shaky credit histories.”

Really? Were they paying attention?

“Greenspan, told everyone what a great financial tool the adjustable mortgage was” in February 2004, IIRC.

So it’s not so surprising when one realizes that after a year at 1%, the Fed began its regimen of wimpy quarter point raisings of the FFR during the summer of 2004.

Comment by spike66
2007-07-20 11:42:09

“It is difficult to avoid the judgment that these ARM loans were poorly underwritten at the outset,”

Gee, ya think? Boy, you can’t get much past those Big Brains at the Fed.
Welcome back, imploder, where have been?

Comment by imploder
2007-07-20 14:26:43

i still lurk all the time and post once in a while

it’s just that it’s starting to look like it’s gonna get so fugly i’m wondering if i’m starting to loose interest in ever purchasing another house in the next 5+ years

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Comment by hd74man
2007-07-20 15:44:40

i’m wondering if i’m starting to loose interest in ever purchasing another house in the next 5+ years

Take great solice in your mobility.

These are very, very uncertain times.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Jerry F
2007-07-20 12:12:49

It was always about the “fees”, higher payouts for the lenders and their “salesman” who enjoyed their monthly big checks.Wonder how all of them will be doing now after the scam is being exposed? Smart ones knew what was coming and took their money and ran before the garbage was starting to stink. The Wall St. boys always knew the game and when to exit. Suckers never seem to know when the game is ended and keep playing until the lights are turned off and they can’t play any longer. What else is new?

Comment by Pete
2007-07-20 14:50:59

Bear Sterns miscalculated the endpoint by quite a bit. Some of the true insiders knew when to get out, but there is so much garbage in the modern financial system that some wealthy insiders will inevitable be part of the collateral damage.

 
 
Comment by Chrisusc
2007-07-20 12:27:17

“Greenspan, told everyone what a great financial tool the adjustable mortgage was”

Its a tool alright - for what is the question…

Comment by Bill in Phoenix
2007-07-20 12:44:12

Shoot. Even in the 90s when I was a FB, I read bad stuff about ARMs and refused to get into that trap! It saddened me that Greenspan, author of many brilliant economic essays in “Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal” turned out in his later years. I’d like to see him discuss his essays and what he thinks about them now.

Comment by 85249 is Toast
2007-07-20 12:50:02

Greenspan was a member of Ayn Rand’s inner circle and a hard-core advocate for the gold standard in his youth. Once he tasted power, he threw his principles to the wind.

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Comment by SimpleSimon
2007-07-20 13:05:14

Yeah, he penned a thesis entitled “Gold and economic freedom” back in 1966. I said this before here but it’s absolutely shocking the way he did an about face in such a big way, moving from a hard money Austrian to the world’s greatest modern day inflationist.

 
Comment by SunsetBeachGuy
2007-07-20 13:23:48

Greenspan was an Ayn Rand groupie, he only thought he was in the inner circle.

 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-20 13:28:36

“Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.”

– Lord Acton –

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/288200.html

 
 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Devildog
2007-07-20 11:19:00

“‘I believe we should conclude that this year’s markets punished mostly bad actors and/or poor lending practices,’ Poole said”

The punishment hasn’t even started yet…..

Comment by AndyInJersey
2007-07-20 14:27:58

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2007-07-20 14:49:41

“I’ll beat you ’till you can’t stand” …please deliver 14+ % interest rates…I’m loaded up on “Neil’s Buttered Derivative Popcorn” ;-)

Bugs: “eh, Daffy hurry up…the Woody Woodpecker cartoon is starting”
Daffy: “I’m try’in Bugs…but Sylvester stuck Tweedy Bird in the microwave again.

 
Comment by novasold
2007-07-20 14:57:17

I love that phrase. It makes me laugh every time.

Reminds me of some jobs I’ve had.

 
 
 
Comment by jungle_man
2007-07-20 11:19:49

garden variety jackass buys unaffordable home utilizes colluding mortgage originator, hedge funds insolvent, investors lose all…

somwhere between A and B….a banker got spanked

Comment by vozworth
2007-07-20 19:46:16

thank you sir, may I have another.

 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2007-07-20 11:26:14

“The chief executive of KB Home, the No. 5 U.S. home builder, said on Thursday he does not expect the overall U.S. home market to bottom out until the end of next year and that prices will not increase until well into 2009.”

What is with the continued obsession with looking for a bottom and determining when prices should go up?? Who’s to say they EVER have to go back up? And if people truly want a place to raise Tyler and Madison, why do they care?

I’m so sick of the mindset that has contaminated everyone that suggests everything we own has to appreciate 15% a year!

/rant off………..

Comment by Inindiana
2007-07-20 11:58:41

If you buy ,have no equity .and are deep in debt, then you have to have a mindset that everything will appreciate at 15 percent. There really isn’t any other way to find your way out of the mess you are then really in. People speculating on the recovery in housing aren’t figuring in the recession that will soon occur. That will set back the recovery for some time to come.

 
Comment by walt526
2007-07-20 12:00:21

I don’t think that it’s entirely a misinformed mindset. In a normal market, prices will increase over time because of inflation.

Comment by eastcoaster
2007-07-20 12:38:52

Not at 15% annually.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2007-07-20 13:04:36

Right, but that would indicate that in real terms, you’ll make $0 on your home.

If people knew the real return on their house was only .5% they would only buy for the intangibles that owning a house provides and not for the appreciation they now seem to feel they are entitled to.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2007-07-20 17:05:48

It’s not so much a fear of making $0. What I’d be afraid of is that if you buy at the top and need to sell, you’ll make -$xxxx!

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2007-07-20 17:07:04

that was supposed to be a minus figure but the minus got stuck on the line above

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Renterinaz
2007-07-20 11:27:46

If you factor in the upcoming inflation it might actually appreciate that much with devalued dollars and the debt can be paid off but with loss of value. Sounds like the plan was this all along.

 
Comment by stanleyjohnson
2007-07-20 11:29:46

check out this fabulous bargain. only $1,000.00 give or take per square foot next to Trump Golf Course.
4108 Sea Horse Lane, Rancho Palos Verdes, 90275

Status: ACT MLS#: P951191 $1,720,000
List Dt: 07/18/2007 PType: SFR-D Orig Price: $1,720,000
4108 Sea Horse Lane, Rancho Palos Verdes, 90275

P.V.Dr.South, just before Trump take a left into the gatehouse and the Portugese Bend Club. Make a left immediately on Maritime and Sea Horse will be a left.
Description: “FABULOUS” is an overused word but not in this case. Newly redone by a sought after local decorator & stunning. New baths, kitchen appliances, doorknobs, light fixtures, carpeting, etc. How about 10 ft. granted to the lot by Mr. Trump…. wow. Next to the nature preserve & the golf course w/ magnificent views of the ocean, Catalina and coves up the coast from the viewing deck. A former owner was an artisan who did the gorgeous and unique work inside the home featuring warm wood, leaded glass windows, skylights, aquarium suspended in a wall of natural rock. The rocks are also featured in the two magnificent fireplaces. Treat yourself & your clients, come by and have a look. Not difficult to see, just give 45 min. notice and you’ll be greeted. Facing South.
Addendum: Your own private beach in Southern Calif.? Yes. Where you can entertain with fires, bbq’s and spirits under the palapas and play a game of paddle tennis on the courts? Yes. Be sure to see the “Arch de Trump” in the side yard. Aquarium serviced from an outside opening. Beach membership currently $1,,400/yr. Owner states the 700 sq.ft. given by Trump has been added to lot sq.ftg./ not on Assessor’s records yet which shows it as 7660.

Comment by Lesser Fool
2007-07-20 13:06:35

I’m sold. Where do I sign?

Comment by Neil
2007-07-20 13:51:09

Arch de Trump?!?

Grrr…

I hope that the beaver stapled onto his head rises from the dead and eats his brain. I’ll have to drive over there just to see how bad it is. I wonder if any of the homes will join the golf courses’ signature hole (its a slide area, soil isn’t stable and might go into the ocean).

Got popcorn?
Neil

 
 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2007-07-20 11:30:36

New York Times subscriber only (read the paper):

Market Shock: AAA Rating May Be Junk
By FLOYD NORRIS
The question is whether the market can continue rising as investors learn that the financial innovations that helped to build the boom were constructed on sand.

It says that even higher rated paper with credit support will take losses, and this will affect the ability to do securitizations for all kinds of things.

“Pictured is Mr Fowler collecting an award at the Asia Hedge Awards in 2006 at which the Basis Yield Fund was named Fund of the Year in the ‘fixed income, high yield and distressed’ category.”

Do they ever give the awards back?

Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-20 11:55:17

The award is starting to look more like a booby prize.

http://wasatchecon.blogspot.com/2007/06/hedge-fund-failometer.html

Comment by Neil
2007-07-20 14:02:05

Thanks for the link. I have a feeling that list will grow like the implode-o-meter. In fits and starts… breaks between new awardees… then bursts of failures followed by a trickle to only repeat the cycle.

Got popcorn?
Neil

 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-20 21:02:57

Pirate Capital headed for Davy Jones’ locker! LMFAO!!!!

7-19-07…Pirate Capital…”With a recent bout of genius investors pulling out of Tom Hudson’s fund, Pirate Capital is down to $400 million in assets, from nearly $2 billion in 2006. London-based GAM pulled $300 million from the sinking ship last month, Naked Shorts reports, and was in good company with a bunch of smaller investors taking their money and running from a fund that employs Michael’s Bolton’s daughter in the increasingly irrelevant role of “investor relations.””…looks like this fund is headed for Davy Jones’ locker…aarrgh…

 
 
Comment by Deron
2007-07-20 17:08:17

If you look at the recent ABX indexes the price off subprime mortgage porfolios, you can already see significant losses for AAA-rated paper. In theory the AAA investors are protected from default by lower-rated stuff which will take all losses up to a point. But the losses are piling up fast enough that the AAA bonds are getting marked down 4-5% already.

Just wait til the next $1 trillion in resets hit.

 
 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-20 11:46:24

“He said that in Southern California, Las Vegas and parts of Florida, such as Orlando, the median price of a new home is less than that of an existing home.”

This reflects the realism and business savy of homebuilders with inventory to unload versus J6P homeowner who thinks he can get whatever wishing price he wants.

I am wondering if the comment about new homes being less expensive than existing homes takes into consideration (1) quality factors; (2) incentives which mask the full extent of the new home sales discount?

Comment by gwynster
2007-07-20 12:40:22

“in Southern California”

make that pretty much all of California. It’s certainly true here in Sacramento.

 
Comment by Former FB
2007-07-20 12:43:14

“In normal times in a market in balance, new homes carry about a 10 percent premium over resale”

I liked that line, and I assume it’s generally correct if all else is equal. What that tells me is that if a seller is serious, they need to undercut the builder by 10% on a similar property. I’m thinking that most of them are thinking that worst case they’ll just have to match the builders when they capitulate on the wishing price. And then to add insult to injury, the builder prices are a moving target…

 
 
Comment by Clogged Drain
2007-07-20 11:46:58

The punishment is just getting started here in SoCal. My buddy runs a mortgage origination office for a medium size, private outfit and got invited to a luncheon today along with every other employee.

It seems that the buyback provisions in some of the loans they offloaded to Wall Street are going to result in “game over” and “poof” for this outfit. Since there are no assets in company, the buyback provisions aint worth jack.

Think about the multiplier effect in reverse. Support staff and producers are now instantly out of work. No more rent payments to Landlords for expensive ground floor office space. Office equipment leases now in default.

If you actually had an approved loan with this group, you might not be closing on your dream home anytime soon. Maybe this group is the only true beneficiary.

More popcorn anyone?

Comment by WT Economist
2007-07-20 12:38:00

Got a realistic appraisal of counterparty risk?

 
Comment by Graspeer
2007-07-20 13:17:19

“It seems that the buyback provisions in some of the loans they offloaded to Wall Street are going to result in “game over” and “poof” for this outfit. Since there are no assets in company, the buyback provisions aint worth jack.”

Yep, they were nothing but shell companies, all the assets were skimmed off by the owners in profits and the employees in commissions. That’s exactly what they were designed to do, the only question is did the owners and employees know when to bail or did they drink their own snakeoil and reinvest their profits into Real Estate.

 
Comment by hd74man
2007-07-20 15:41:55

Nothin’ more than one more lending bucket shop using hit the number appraisers biting the dust.

Boo-hoo…cry me a river.

 
 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-20 11:49:10

“‘By the end of ‘08 it will start to stabilize,’” Jeffrey Mezger told Reuters. ‘Then it will start to go back up in ‘09. I think it will take a year.’”

New mantra for the housing bubble: ‘The market will stabilize by next year.’

If prices go up again in ‘09, it will only be in nominal terms, thanks to the effect of Federal Reserve helicopter drops. There is no way the market will absorb 5m homes for sale (including 2m vacant ones) in time for the boom to reflate by 2009.

Comment by Betamax
2007-07-20 12:25:54

New mantra for the housing bubble: ‘The market will stabilize by next year.’

Wasn’t that last year’s mantra?

Comment by Chad
2007-07-20 12:42:48

I believe that’s the point of GS not defining a year. ;)

 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-20 13:29:45

Also next year’s mantra…

Comment by hd74man
2007-07-20 15:47:47

Also next year’s mantra…

And the year after that…

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Comment by mogden
2007-07-20 18:59:52

Reminds me of Iraq - the next six months are critical.
Applies for the duration.

 
 
Comment by Army No Va
2007-07-20 19:53:20

The only ways any real estate will go up in 2009 are:

1. Hyperinflation (or something close to it) with real interest rates kept negative - even then, not sure RE could go up as most people will be scrambling for food and fuel.

2. Energy crisis where well located, quality and scarce real estate in easy distance of work/food/transit may go up.

otherwise, it’s down to under rental income value for most of this stuff.

 
 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-20 11:56:44

“‘As is often the case, the market’s punishment of unsound financial arrangements has been swift, harsh and without prejudice,’ he said.”

Said like a Chicago-school economist.

Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-20 21:08:24

What was the tactical advantage for Poole to throw in the “without prejudice” kicker? Is he trying to spin the fact that the same subprime loans which enriched the Fed’s Wall Street investment banking constituency and superrich investors are having and will continue to have their most devastating impact on the nation’s poorest neighborhoods with the highest concentrations of people of color? ACORN take note!

 
Comment by bozonian
2007-07-21 10:35:01

Right, sorry, punishment has been been slow, very slow. Anyone with common sense and open eyes saw this coming at least 2 years back, some as far as 7 years back.

Harsh? I don’t see anyone really whining about their losses yet. Maybe they’re rich and too embarrassed to admit they are actually quite stupid. And speaking of losses, where are all the Amaranth losers?

Without prejudice, ok, but the the people being hit are the stupid, and the risk addicted. It took a severe lack of sense to get hosed in this market. The smart people were the middle men, the brokers and salesmen who get to keep the products of this boom while the lenders and borrowers get to go down with the ship.

Next thing you’ll be hearing, is, “The market needed a short, sharp shock.” Yuh. Like at the beginning of “Us and Them”.

 
 
Comment by Ravenor
2007-07-20 12:15:55

Glad to hear Poole saying the right thing; that means there won’t be a bailout for the “bad actors.” As far as Greenspan goes, his meaning was that an ARM might be useful; not that ARM’s should be handed out willy-nilly.

Comment by FutureVulture
2007-07-20 16:44:06

But the problem is, Greenspan got into this game of ultra-subtle-speak, so everyone amplified everything he said by a factor of ten. And he knew they would, very well. Yet he made a big deal out of the wonderful flexibility that ARMs provide, right at the exact time he SHOULD have been talking up their drawbacks, at a time of historically low rates which HE was responsible for creating. That plus the fact that he can now suddenly speak clear as a bell, proves to me that he’s just a lying sack of dried p!ss, who contributed enormous negative value to society. How many suicides could have been prevented if he had just come out and said “Don’t get too carried away here, people.” But he was a coward, trying to protect his reputation, such as it was.

I reiterate: I hope he dies soon.

Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-20 21:13:25

“Don’t get too carried away here, people.”

He tried to say this. Refer to his “Irrational Exuberance” speech for instance. Trouble is, he did not stay the course, and instead bought on to New Era theories right near the tech stock bubble top. Next he put the pedal to the metal with negative FFR just in time to morph the tech stock collapse into the blowout phase of the housing bubble. If he had not panicked after LTCM 1998 and instead had taken away the punchbowl, the 2000s may have begun with a recession, but we would not be currently facing a massive tsunami wave of subprime lender and hedge fund collapses, coupled with record levels of foreclosures.

 
 
 
Comment by 85249 is Toast
2007-07-20 12:45:33

From Reuters. “The chief executive of KB
Home, the No. 5 U.S. home builder, said on Thursday he does not expect the overall U.S. home market to bottom out until the end of next year and that prices will not increase until well into 2009.”

“‘By the end of ‘08 it will start to stabilize,’” Jeffrey Mezger told Reuters. ‘Then it will start to go back up in ‘09. I think it will take a year.’”

“‘The bigger factor to me is how many of the markets have this huge resale inventory that has to clear and is going to keep pressure on pricing,’ Mezger said. ‘In a lot of the markets we’re in the new median price is below resale.’”

So he blames inventory as the problem with the market, but claims in prices will start to rise in 2009? Why didn’t the reporter ask him how the inventory problem will be solved in one year when homeownership is at an all-time high and affordability is at an all-time low?

Ridiculous.

 
Comment by Fuzzy Bear
2007-07-20 12:45:33

“‘The bigger factor to me is how many of the markets have this huge resale inventory that has to clear and is going to keep pressure on pricing,’ Mezger said. ‘In a lot of the markets we’re in the new median price is below resale.’”

Mezger: It’s called affordability and the consumer is not willing to purchase these unaffordable homes! You need to listen to the consumer and get affordability back in line with incomes on housing, nothing more and nothing less! No more excuses!

 
Comment by arroyogrande
2007-07-20 12:52:06

“The chief executive of KB Home…‘By the end of ‘08 it will start to stabilize,’” Jeffrey Mezger told Reuters. ‘Then it will start to go back up in ‘09. I think it will take a year.’”

Again, shouldn’t someone ask him *why* he believes this, and *what* his estimates are based on? Sloppy reporting…

Next time ask him about Credit Suisse’s ARM reset graph…

Comment by flatffplan
2007-07-20 13:49:11

it will take a year AFTER 09 to come up at all- yea, that’s an outside possibility

 
Comment by bozonian
2007-07-21 10:43:33

How does he know? Either God, or maybe his mistress told him. Both are recognized as good sources of information in the higher realms of power.

 
 
Comment by wovoka
2007-07-20 14:55:06

I can see the pick-up in the housing industry now, with lending standards tightend,inflation looming and consumer confidence in the dump there certainly is light at the end of the tunnel but, it’s that of the oncoming train!

Comment by Left LA Behind
2007-07-21 13:24:01

Best comment of the thread…

 
 
Comment by Deron
2007-07-20 17:04:04

Poole said the non-prime mortgage market, with originations in 2006 of about $1 trillion, is ‘clearly large enough to affect aggregate home-building activity and consumer spending.’
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This may be the first time that any Fed official has even suggested that bad housing loans might be big enough to torpedo the whole economy. Add that to the fact the Bernanke didn’t use “contained” in his prepared remarks and maybe they’re starting to get a clue over there.

Comment by bozonian
2007-07-21 10:41:12

We are so screwed in the upcoming years. If you are rich (worth more than 500k ex house value) you better start hiding your assets because when things start to get rough, the new communist congress which will be in power soon will start taking what it can from those who have a lot (having gotten it of course from exploiting the American middle class). I wouldn’t be surprised if guillotine sales increase rapidly after 2010.

 
 
Comment by bozonian
2007-07-21 10:38:33

“‘The bigger factor to me is how many of the markets have this huge resale inventory that has to clear and is going to keep pressure on pricing,’ Mezger said. ‘In a lot of the markets we’re in the new median price is below resale.’”

These statements about “buyers market” and “sellers market” are idiotic. It’s simply supply and demand. You aren’t going to sell if your price is too high. Hell-looooooo?? Here’s a hint and I want a big, huge redundant management fee for fixing your problem: “Lower the price until people start buying”. There, problem fixed. Send me a check for 10 billion please.

 
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