July 23, 2007

A Tough Month For Housing Sales

The Boston Globe reports from Massachusetts. “Massachusetts single-family homes and condominium sales continued to fall in June, a month that is typically one of the busiest of the year for closing real estate transactions, according to industry reports out today. ‘June was a tough month for housing sales - one of the toughest this year,’ said Timothy Warren Jr., CEO of the Warren Group.”

“The Warren Group said that Massachusetts single-family home sales fell 8.3 percent in June, the second biggest drop this year; the median price for a single-family was $334,000, down 4.6 percent from $350,000 in June 2006.”

“According to the Massachusetts Association of Realtors, the number of Bay State single-family homes that sold in June dropped 6 percent to 4,959 when compared with June 2006, and on year-to-year basis, the median price for a single-family home in Massachusetts fell 1.6 percent, from $370,000 in June 2006 to $364,000 in June 2007.”

The Republican from Massachusetts. “The region’s real estate slump seems all the more real with last week’s report from registers of deeds in the three Pioneer Valley counties. All three showed a sharp rise in housing foreclosures in fiscal 2007.”

“Not since the recession of the early 1990s have the officials seen such a spike. Marianne L. Donohue, register of the Hampshire County registry, called the numbers ’staggering.’”

“In Hampden County, the number of foreclosures almost doubled from 278 in fiscal 2006 to 529 in fiscal 2007. In Franklin County, foreclosures more than doubled, rising a whopping 130.7 percent from 26 in 2006 to 60 in fiscal 2007. In Hampshire County, foreclosures rose by 78.8 percent to 59.”

“The number of attachments filed by creditors on the property of people who owe them money is also up in each county. And Donald E. Ashe, Hampden County register of deeds, said the rising attachments are ‘a bad sign for the economy.’”

The Associated Press. “Home sales in the Philadelphia area fell by 9.5 percent in the first half of the year, as the region remained mired in a housing slump that started last fall, according to a report.”

“The southern New Jersey suburbs showed the biggest decline, down 13 percent, while northern Delaware was down 11.7 percent and southeastern Pennsylvania fell by 7.5 percent, according to all multiple listing service data of existing single-family homes and condominiums compiled by Prudential Fox and Roach in Devon.”

“‘We were hopeful it would start coming back in the first half of this year. It has not,’ said Steve Storti, marketing director at Prudential, the nation’s fifth largest real estate brokerage.”

The Tribune Review from Pennsylvania. “It took about six months for David and Teresa Cunkelman to find a new house, but the couple still can’t find a buyer for their old home in Murrysville.”

“The Cunkelmans aren’t alone. The Pittsburgh housing market is showing signs of slowing down. Figures from RealStats show a 13.4 percent decline in home sales during June, compared with a year ago.”

“About 15 potential buyers have toured the Cunkelmans’ former home on Impala Drive since it went on the market in February. The house is priced at $215,000.”

“‘Until now, we have not had a serious buyer,’ Teresa Cunkelman said.”

The New Haven Register from Connecticut. “Originally hoping to spend no more than $1,200 or $1,300 a month on mortgage payments, she ended up taking out two adjustable rate mortgages, or ARMs, one covering 80 percent of her $199,000 loan and another covering the remaining 20 percent, resulting in combined monthly payments of about $1,600. She financed the entire mortgage, with no down payment.”

“She was driven by the American dream of owning a home, she said. Now, 16 months later, her mortgage payment has ballooned to more than $2,000 a month, forcing her to work at least 80 hours a week, split between two jobs.”

“And the threat of foreclosure looms. ‘It does worry me,’ (Ms.)Wright said.”

“Making matters worse, the housing market has slowed in recent months from the high level of activity seen in the past couple of years, when sales and prices skyrocketed. That means, in many cases, homes are worth less than when buyers purchased them. Or, the worst case scenario, the house is worth less than the mortgage.”

“In the second quarter of this year, for example, the median sales price of Greater New Haven homes fell 1.3 percent and the number of homes sold dropped 8.2 percent, compared with a year ago, according to H. Pearce Real Estate Co. in North Haven.”

“In Connecticut, 2,386 homes were in foreclosure in June, up 2.5 percent from May and up 124 percent from a year ago, according to RealtyTrac.”

“‘When I sat down at the table at the closing, no one told me my mortgage was going to be $2,000,’ Wright said. ‘They claim it’s just because of things costing more. I’m house-poor now. I work two jobs. It’s really kind of a scary experience. This is not the American dream like everyone said it is — not at this rate, anyway.’”

“In New Haven alone, 405 homes are now in foreclosure, according to Empower New Haven Inc. ‘The interest rates on the ARMs have kicked in,’ said Peter L. Ressler, partner at Goob, Ressler & Mulqueen PC in New Haven, which specializes in bankruptcy cases. He has seen ‘a tremendous increase’ in bankruptcy filings and attributes 90 percent of them to mortgage defaults.”

“‘(People) get these notices of a change in their monthly mortgage application and it just throws them into a collapse,’ Ressler said. ‘They just didn’t anticipate that their payments were going to go up so drastically. It’s a combination of factors that creates an insurmountable situation.’”

“There is a total of $10 billion to $12 billion in outstanding subprime loans in Connecticut, said Howard Pitkin, commissioner of the state banking department. ‘That involves thousands of families in Connecticut,’ he said.”

“Some in the mortgage industry defend ARMs and subprime loans, saying they work well for the right borrower and are not the root of the foreclosure problem.”

“‘There’s a lot of misconception,” said Mike Peracone, owner of Branford Financial. ‘I have plenty of people I’ve put in these mortgages. If used correctly, people are not stuck into them. It could work out great if they pay their bills.’”

“Andy Ross, owner of a Hamden-based mortgage brokerage company, generates about half of his firm’s business from subprime lending and said most borrowers understand what they are getting into when they sign a subprime loan or ARM.”

“‘A very, very high percentage of people understand what they are doing,’ he said, but some simply take on more debt than they should because they want a certain home. ‘They are just blinded because they want what they want. The real estate market has outpaced what people can afford, but I really don’t believe all of this is strictly the result of adjustable rates going up.’”

“A New Haven resident, who declined to be identified, was surprised recently by difficulties he’s had securing a fixed-rate mortgage on a home he wants to buy in Clinton, even though he’s had another fixed-rate mortgage with the same lender for nearly five years and has always been in good standing with the loan.”

“He was told by the lender that he would be approved for a the new mortgage but, soon after, the lender, citing the company’s increased concern over foreclosure rates in general, said it needed to see additional financial documentation before going through with the loan.”

“‘We were told everything we needed was in place,’ he said. ‘We’ve never been late on a payment, we’ve always paid extra. (Now) the same exact company is saying, ‘We need more.’ We’re in shock. It’s a life-changing conversation every time I talk to the mortgage company.’”




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Comment by ylekiot1
2007-07-23 09:57:41

“Some in the mortgage industry defend ARMs and subprime loans, saying they work well for the right borrower and are not the root of the foreclosure problem.”

“‘There’s a lot of misconception,” said Mike Peracone, owner of Branford Financial. ‘I have plenty of people I’ve put in these mortgages. If used correctly, people are not stuck into them. It could work out great if they pay their bills.’”

LOL Where do I start?

Comment by arroyogrande
2007-07-23 10:12:00

“If used correctly, flame throwers are actually a valuable tool. However, in the wrong hands…”

Comment by Front Range Bob
2007-07-23 11:43:13

Bingo. Hand grenades are also a valuable tool for certain people, but that doesn’t mean most of my neighbors should be given one.

 
 
Comment by Its Crazy Credit!
2007-07-23 14:44:27

yeah - that is up there for some of the dumbest quotes…lol

 
 
Comment by ylekiot1
2007-07-23 09:58:49

Didn’t figure that into your “model”, there, did ya Mike?

 
Comment by arroyogrande
2007-07-23 10:05:23

“payment has ballooned to more than $2,000 a month, forcing her to work at least 80 hours a week, split between two jobs”

Ah, the joys of (recent) home pOwnership…

Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-23 10:14:10

Are there any statistics on what percentage of borrowers with broken ARMs opt to live out their lives as debt slaves, versus just throwing in the towel and handing over the keys to the lender?

Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-23 10:19:12

P.S. Little noted fact:

The move of purchasing a home to add a third income to the household through the home-equity-ATM effect, which worked brilliantly through 2005 or so, has recently backfired (through broken ARMs) into a requirement to squeeze a third income out of household labor supply. Too bad you can’t squeeze very much blood out of a turnip.

Comment by Former FB
2007-07-23 13:01:05

So if 2 incomes became three (2+1) through 2005, now will 2 incomes become one (2-1) until the alligator dies or eats them?

Regarding your statistics question, even if such statistics existed they would be outdated anyway. They would be based on the number who walk while everyone still thinks the alligator will start bringing in a third paycheck again soon. How many will abandon their alligator when they realize it’s just a dangerous pet that exists only to eat and poop and nobody will ever want it for what they owe on it?

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Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-23 15:35:09

“How many will abandon their alligator when they realize it’s just a dangerous pet that exists only to eat and poop and nobody will ever want it for what they owe on it?”

Not only a dangerous pet, but a hungry one that needs to be fed out of the second income, leaving only one income out of which to pay for niceties like food and energy at a time when their prices are going stratospheric.

 
 
 
 
Comment by shadash
2007-07-23 12:17:24

I have two jobs and DON’T own a home. Just saving up cash for the crash.

Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-23 15:36:31

Good luck on surviving the War on Savers…

 
Comment by Bye FL
2007-07-23 20:23:03

Be careful where you invest your cash, people are predicting a depression or even hyperinflation that will eat most of your savings. Besides I think being rich is overrated and preparing for basic survival skills will get me much further in the depression and peak oil than nearly worthless money. I only need enough money(as little as $25k saved up) to buy some cheap rural land and a small house and live the rest of my life off that. A small income from agriculture will go towards stuff like other foods, cloth, tools and other essentals.

 
 
Comment by lavi d
2007-07-23 14:52:15

“Homepwner”.

I love it.

 
 
Comment by Patricio
2007-07-23 10:09:41

We are seeing some fairly quick adjustments in other areas of the country, and it gets me to wondering. Is it because the cash reserves in these areas are not as deep as in California and this is why they are snow balling as in Florida? Because I know we are taking a deep gasp of breath out here trying to withstand the flood, but we can’t hold our breathe forever for sure. I guess we are in a waiting game out here in Cali, where what will happen first saving reserves will crumble or housing will turn around? Since I believe it to be a three pronged attack on their savings coming up, I think the waiting game will be accelerated and the prices will plummet also when reality/desperation/panic sets in out here. I guess in other areas of the country less “affluent” as California are just getting out rather than letting it build more….we are going to get slaughtered out here for sure.

Comment by Front Range Bob
2007-07-23 11:46:14

I’ve also been wondering if it’s a cash reserve issue in some areas, or maybe simply a disparity in when the local bubbles started.

 
Comment by Home_a_Loan
2007-07-23 11:48:01

My opinion: these other parts of the country have a lot of investor/speculators (California Equity Locusts) who precisely come from California. When the slump started, CAians decided to respond by dumping their properties elsewhere. It’s slowly coming back to CA, though, that’s fershure.

 
Comment by DenverLowBaller
2007-07-23 11:50:05

I’m curious about what happens when those with obvious cash reserves live in such close proximity to those with absolutely none? Oh wait, no I’m not. My wife is from Brazil and I see what happens on every trip to Rio or Sao Paulo…..

Comment by Roanoke_Steve
2007-07-23 12:09:05

Please expound…

Comment by gwynster
2007-07-23 12:14:49

We have models for what happens in US communities (see economic hardship & family stress models) but I’m curious how these play out in other countries.

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Comment by Patricio
2007-07-23 12:52:00

You should rent a great movie about Brazil.

“City of God”

True story…..scary. It is a shame that it is so freaking spooky there and what not, it happens to have the smoking hottest women in the world. I am not sure how Brazil and Argentina and Columbia don’t keep sweeping the Mrs Universe competition each year.

 
Comment by DenverLowBaller
2007-07-23 13:05:36

Another great read is an article in Vanity Fair, April 2007 issue about the FCC prison gangs.

CITY OF FEAR
In May 2006, São Paulo was brought to its knees by a prison gang, whose cell-phone-coordinated attack shut down Brazil’s largest metropolis, and whose word is still law in the city’s vast slums. William Langewiesche delves into the dark side of globalization.

 
 
Comment by DenverLowBaller
2007-07-23 12:34:58

Crime is what happens. There is little middle-class in Brazil. Poor and rich seem to be able to co-exist better in smaller population areas of the country. But in densely populated areas where agriculture employment is non-existent and there is limited employment servicing the wealth, there is a very uncomfortable existence between the two. There are favelas pushed right up next to extremely wealthy areas. Wealth then becomes a target and it is extremely dangerous. My point was that Cali certainly may have more “affluence”, but it has its share of the other end of the spectrum. As those with less savings go broke keeping up with payments, there is a more clearly defined line. As the “have” and “have not” becomes clearly defined in densely populated areas, LA and SF for example, these places become very dangerous. I mean the “don’t wear any watch outside and keep your cash under the in-sole of your shoe” kind of reaction, as I’ve done in other parts of the world. Now picture that in Palos Verdes or Marin County.

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Comment by sf jack
2007-07-23 14:49:33

“I mean the ‘don’t wear any watch outside and keep your cash under the in-sole of your shoe’ kind of reaction… Now picture that in Palos Verdes or Marin County.”

*******

I can assure you that people in SF and Marin County do this already.

 
 
Comment by pinch-a-penny
2007-07-23 12:35:54

Let me enlighten this issue somewhat. The real trick that has been performed in the US is the belief that no matter who you are, you have the opportunity to make something out of your life. That is why people work hard and play hard. It has been the underlying factor for stability in the US. Upward (and somewhat downward) mobility has kept the middle class from revolting, and the upper echelons reaping economic benefits.
Most revolutions are NOT started by the poor. They are started by a disatisfied middle class with access to education, and other ideas. They see that they arebeing taken advantage of, and see no way to remedy it. They bring out the laws first intended to punish those that make more than they do, or see as a threat to their livelihood (immigration, Blackstone not paying enough taxes) and when these forms of protest are met with contempt, then they start taking a more direct approach.
Cue in latam. Most of latam consists of very large poor populations, with very small wealthy populations, but stuck in the middle are the wage earners and those who have somewhat of decent job or small business. Their children go to college, and meet all sorts of interesting induviduals with OTHER points of view. Some of these are mid 40 or 50 year old “friends of a friend” that start talking about social inequality and such. Pretty soon you have young determined energetic people protesting things that they do not understand, yet do so with a vehemence that is scary if you see it. Either the military get involved, or the local police, and someone either gets hurt, or killed. Second stage begins, and a martir is born. People rally around the martyr requesting change, and putting the 40 or 50 year old (who knew exactly what he wanted) as a model of the new governement.
Be very afraid of the middle class not having an escalator. When you corner them, you get a highly unstable environment, and history has shown time and time again that it generally ends up with bloodshed on the part of those that are at the top. (french revolution, Bolshevik revolution, Cuban Revolution, American Revolution, most insurgencies in LATAM,and you can go back eons. )
Let them eat cake (I know it is misattributed, but I can see Schwartzman saying it right around now!)

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Comment by Gwynster
2007-07-23 19:24:58

The spark can be anything. Frankly I’m still surprized that the Rodeny King Riots didn’t expand futher. I still have momentos from that event.

 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-23 21:58:58

“Be very afraid of the middle class not having an escalator.”

Enlightening, though frightening, post…

 
 
 
 
Comment by salinasron
2007-07-23 12:27:58

“Is it because the cash reserves in these areas are not as deep as in California and this is why they are snow balling as in Florida?”

It could be but I think that it’s the mortgage companies acting as bag holders that are trying to hold property values up in hope of a turnaround or flattening house values. It isn’t going to happen and sooner than later this property will have to clear the books, then we will see CA’s soft underbelly.

 
 
Comment by arroyogrande
2007-07-23 10:09:43

“the lender, citing the company’s increased concern over foreclosure rates in general, said it needed to see additional financial documentation”

Like what, and actuall W-2?

Comment by polly
2007-07-23 11:20:38

The request for additional documentation is a great sign. It is a move away from trusting borrowers to assess their own ability to pay a higher amount. I wish we knew what the lender was looking for as the target ratio of where they would have cut him off - I doubt we are yet back to the lenders requiring the total payments be no more than 28% of income.

Claiming you should be lent more money just because the you have a good payment history with that lender is just an indignant form of saying/whining, “But I have a good FICO score….”

 
Comment by implosion
2007-07-23 11:20:52

A W-2 or bank statement probably qualifies since “It’s a life-changing conversation every time I talk to the mortgage company.” Too funny. Hey, plenty of lenders out there that want your business.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2007-07-23 11:55:51

he’s hiding somethin..

 
 
Comment by Neil
2007-07-23 10:15:45

To think…

This news is on JUNE data. The CDO and CMBS markets really fell apart this month, July. Thus… Its not until September/October that one would expect the market to really fall apart.

Nationally, the housing market will fall apart. I’m not expect large price decreases in most areas in 2007. But in 2008… look out below. Enough foreclosures will be back on the market… and homes will still not be affordable. I believe the greatest slope of price decreases in most areas will occur during 2008. Note: For “high end” areas, it will be 2009 or 2010. They usually fall later, but then they really fall.

Got popcorn?
Neil

Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-23 10:24:22

Neil –

Perhaps you did not hear that Fannie and Freddie are “riding to the rescue” with their “business of guaranteeing subprime loans”?

GS
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Fannie, Freddie deepen involvement in subprime loan market
By Danielle Reed
DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
July 22, 2007

NEW YORK – Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are riding to the rescue of the subprime lending market.

The two large housing finance agencies are beefing up their business of guaranteeing subprime loans at a time when slack lending standards and falling home prices have translated into rising delinquencies and foreclosures among subprime borrowers.

Their involvement will provide alternatives for borrowers anxious to refinance out of existing mortgages that have or will reset to higher monthly payments.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070722/news_1h22fanniee.html

Comment by Aqius
2007-07-23 10:26:44

Taxpayer bailout. Swell. Just swell.

Comment by downpuppy
2007-07-23 10:39:14

It actually sounds like a good business - taking people out of nightmare ARMs into rational loans after they’ve had a bit of time to build a payment history. & they’re not completely stupid:
Unlike some of the subprime lenders who loosened lending standards at the height of the housing boom, Fannie Mae does not allow stated income or stated asset loans in its expanded approval program. The agency also limits loan types to fixed-rate 30-year or 40-year loans as well as loans that carry a fixed rate for five, seven and 10 years and then switch to floating rates, called hybrid adjustable-rate mortgage loans.

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Comment by flatffplan
2007-07-23 10:46:42

they’ll use your tax dollars- a great biz for them

 
 
 
Comment by Betamax
2007-07-23 10:42:52

sounds great, except many will not qualify and/or will be underwater.

They’re in trouble for a reason.

Comment by Graspeer
2007-07-23 10:48:58

“They’re in trouble for a reason.”

The reason being is that they got too much debt and too little income. The problem with using debt to pretend you are wealthy is that at some point someone has to pay it off, either the borrower, the lender, the taxpayer, the economy, or more likely some combination of the above.

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Comment by boulderbo
2007-07-23 10:45:10

not to worry,

expanded approval loans are expensive (much higher interest rates), limited by loan to values (must carry mortgage insurance over 80% and who is going to provide that?) and are fully documented in underwriting ie: job stability, income and reserves (huh? what are those?). the underlying pool of subprime slime isn’t eveb close to what fannie/freddie will buy. this article is just a fluff piece.

Comment by jag
2007-07-23 11:51:04

boulderbo,

I agree, its fluff. The key is:

“Their involvement will provide alternatives for borrowers anxious to refinance out of existing mortgages that have or will reset to higher monthly payments.”

Would a rational person seek to refinance (even if they could) a $300,000 loan on a property worth $200,000? Maybe a few people could take advantage of (and qualify for) these refinance opportunities. But in order for this program to significantly affect the decline in property values it will have to do something about the lack of demand which drives prices down. Its not going to create new buyer loans, its just going to try and float some people along. That effort won’t change the fact that most of these people’s boats are now submarines. Some may think staying submerged is a good idea. I think people who find themselves in this perdicament will (mostly) suddenly become very rational actors and choose to accept the pain of foreclosure.

Unlike when they went through the financing process, this time they’ll seek out options and weigh all the associated costs very diligently. It won’t be hard for them to come across the option of bailing on their loans and it will be the rare person who choses to accept the pain of carrying an EXTRA $100,000 in debt for thirty (or forty) years compared to simply accepting a hit on their credit rating (which they can apparently improve in a relatively swift manner).

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Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-23 11:58:26

Fluffing perceptions may matter to those who have real estate they must sell, by encouraging them to hold out for 2005 prices on the assumption that Fannie or Freddie will deliver them a subprime-ARMed buyer…

(P.S. If it is a fluff piece, does that mean there has to be a fluffer involved?)

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Comment by jag
2007-07-23 12:35:30

GetStucco,

Again, the key is it is a REFINANCING lifeline. It isn’t new lending. Maybe some will interpret this as sustaining prices but I’d bet the reality of continuing price declines will puncture those misperceptions pretty thoroughly.

 
 
 
Comment by arroyogrande
2007-07-23 10:54:02

Bwah hah ha ha ha ha!

Doesn’t sound like it wil help California:

“Fannie Mae does not allow stated income or stated asset loans in its expanded approval program. The agency also limits loan types to fixed-rate 30-year or 40-year loans as well as loans that carry a fixed rate for five, seven and 10 years and then switch to floating rates, called hybrid adjustable-rate mortgage loans.”

What, no option-arms, no “stated income”? What about “interest only”? Without a big pay increase, many recent Cali homeowners will not be able to QUALIFY for Fannie/Freddie “bailout” programs.

Comment by gwynster
2007-07-23 11:19:22

Bingo.

I agree with the previous poster. This is just fluff so it can look like they tried to help.

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Comment by arroyogrande
2007-07-23 10:49:32

I’ve been thinking that it will be a slow, long, hard slide…4-5 years of chunks of flesh being bitten off of the housing market, followed by a few years “in the valley”…

 
Comment by Bye FL
2007-07-23 21:03:46

Thats good news for first time buyers like me. What % drops are you forecasting in expensive cities? cheap rural towns?

 
 
Comment by bubbleglum
2007-07-23 10:16:44

“‘Until now, we have not had a serious buyer,’ Teresa Cunkelman said.”

Until now? Does she think the reporter is a serious buyer?

Comment by implosion
2007-07-23 11:26:41

Sounds like they have not had any buyer until now.

 
 
Comment by Aqius
2007-07-23 10:16:59

Don’t you just love the double standard between regular citizens vs corporations?
Corporations get to ” restate ” figures later if things dont go as planned, no penalty, no jail time, just a “do-over”.
However, when average taxpayer citizens sign on the dotted line of the mortgage contract, and many other contracts, it’s stated any misprepresentation is a FEDERAL offense w/possibility of fines or jail.

Ok so, why can’t citizens ” restate ” their figures later & change the terms without penalty ?!

file it under nothing ya can do about it … but at least you can be wary.

Comment by Graspeer
2007-07-23 10:53:05

Why can corporations deduct all their expenses for existing but I can’t deduct all my expenses for living.

Comment by gwynster
2007-07-23 11:22:47

Watch the documentary “The Corporation” some time. It’s interesting.

Comment by MrBubble
2007-07-23 15:05:13

Just saw it Sat night. I kept wishing that I had a left-leaning and a right-leaning economist with me in the room to call bs on some stuff. The spy, the big “live marketing” and the marketing psychologist were grading into anti-social personality disorder land…

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Comment by NoVa Sideliner
2007-07-23 11:37:39

You do get to restate your figures. Ever filed a 1040-X? And if you restate in the wroing direction (upwards), then you get to pay extra tax and interest on top of that.

But that’s taxes, a differrent matter. In this case, let’s say that you believed, based on your pay stub and weekend grass-mowing income that you made $50k, but it turns out the pay stubs were wrong. If you (as a reasonable person) reasonably believed at the time that you were accurate, then it’s not necessarily misrepresentation, unless you hid (or made up) something.

On the other hand, if you are Casey Serin and make up income numbers from thin air, and lie about owner-occupied when buying several houses in one month, then your “restatement” could be a problem because it is obvious to any reasonable person that you were lying.

 
Comment by mjh
2007-07-23 20:22:22

Apples vs. oranges. You’re talking about restating earnings reports versus reworking a mortgage contract. Companies can NOT rework a contract, just like an individual can’t.

 
 
Comment by Annata
2007-07-23 10:25:56

“They are just blinded because they want what they want. The real estate market has outpaced what people can afford, but I really don’t believe all of this is strictly the result of adjustable rates going up.”

Technically, he is correct. What he neglects to mention is that the real estate industry, his business included, actively encourages and enables people to become blinded by what they want. People who act in their own rational self-interest have not been good clients for the industry in the past five years.

He also neglects to mention that his wonderful loans are what enabled the real estate market to outpace what people could afford.

Regulation of these types of loans is most effectively driven not by what people “should” or “shouldn’t” have done “properly.” It is most effectively driven by factual evidence of what actually happens.

Comment by Mo Money
2007-07-23 10:33:30

This is so true, when I bought my 1st house in 1994 I was told quite specifically what price range I could shop in and I made a point of not going as high as I could have as it gave me some leeway for niceties such as “Furniture”

Comment by arroyogrande
2007-07-23 10:55:27

“leeway for niceties such as “Furniture””

That’s what “cash back at closing” is for…

 
Comment by Graspeer
2007-07-23 10:57:01

“I made a point of not going as high as I could have as it gave me some leeway for niceties such as “Furniture” “

But these days furniture companies will sell you furniture with no payment for 2 or 3 years. Of course this means that just when your Option ARM loan resets your furniture bill shows up too. But I guess this is convenient since both the house and the furniture can be repossessed at the same time. Though who would want 3 year old used furniture is another question.

 
Comment by flatffplan
2007-07-23 10:59:02

94 was a sweet time to buy

Comment by JayInMD
2007-07-23 19:23:38

YES IT WAS!!!!! (95 actually)

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Comment by Bye FL
2007-07-23 21:11:07

My dad *did* buy in 1995 but I really wish he had listened to me and sold in 2005. Of course this mistake is not as bad as those buying at or near the peak. Had dad not bought before 2000, he would be priced out and stuck in the old house. He probably would sell it anyway for inflated money and either rent or buy another house, also at an inflated price *rolleyes*

The smart people sold their house in 2005-2006 and either rent or relocate to cheaper area.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Ghostwriter
2007-07-23 10:34:22

“The region’s real estate slump seems all the more real with last week’s report from registers of deeds in the three Pioneer Valley counties. All three showed a sharp rise in housing foreclosures in fiscal 2007.”

“Not since the recession of the early 1990s have the officials seen such a spike. Marianne L. Donohue, register of the Hampshire County registry, called the numbers ’staggering.”

Anyone have any numbers from the 1990’s that compares foreclosures then and now? Lending was a lot stricter then. I can’t imagine that now won’t make the 1990’s look like a walk in the park.

Comment by sf jack
2007-07-23 15:02:22

This is for San Diego, but you’ll get the idea.

“A deed, or document that transfers the title of real estate, passes ownership of real estate in default to the buyer from the guardian of the trust deed. Tracks the movement of foreclosures in San Diego County.”

Follow the link and click the box “START YEAR” to change the year to “1982″ - which is the first year of data. Leave the other at “END YEAR” (today - last updated 7/10/07):

http://www.sddt.com/Finance/EconomicIndicators.cfm

I think my calculus prof in collge would find this data interesting.

 
 
Comment by Andy
2007-07-23 11:06:55

The pundits and the insiders don’t know or have a handle on the declining housing market… Countrywide’s COO recently gave the assessment of a turnaround in 2009 but last year Countrywide was predicting middle of 2007! I guess it time for the “I guess we were wrong argument.”

 
Comment by Front Range Bob
2007-07-23 11:38:20

“Not since the recession of the early 1990s have the officials seen such a spike. Marianne L. Donohue, register of the Hampshire County registry, called the numbers ’staggering.’”

Could someone please tell me how far back recorded history usually goes for these sorts of numbers (seriously)? I was just wondering when folks will start claiming “Not since the Great Depression.” I suspect they would if they could, but don’t have a good idea if that’s truly the case.

 
Comment by BubbleViewer
2007-07-23 11:40:09

I noticed an ad on sacbee.com and noticed some fairly significant price reductions on new Ryland homes in Central Valley. Not that I’m going to buy one, but thought it was interesting.
Ryland Right Price Sale

Comment by BubbleViewer
2007-07-23 11:42:29

Still way too overpriced for the boondock locales.

Comment by Bill in Phoenix
2007-07-23 12:21:08

Holy Cow! I looked at the Arizona link.
Casa Grande: Was $228,314; Now $165,723 - 1,773 sq feet
-28%

Was $315,510 Now $270,048; 2,886 sq feet
-15%

To name a few! Queen Creek models down by more than 20%!

Comment by Bill in Phoenix
2007-07-23 12:34:58

I also noticed an incredible 31% price chop in one Nevada add.

20 percent more to go. But I’m going to be looking for a home built between 1993 and 2000 in a few years. Less chance of shoddy construction.

The buyers at the original prices in those Ryland homes probably have bruises on their backsides from kicking themselves so much.

And of course the new home price cuts are probably devasting the bejesus out of older home prices.

This spectating is just starting to get fun!

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Comment by Bye FL
2007-07-23 21:38:59

20% more to go? Try 50% more to go. You don’t want to catch the knife before it starts to rust laying on the ground. Bottom probably isnt any earlier than 2010

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by DenverLowBaller
2007-07-23 12:06:16

Does anyone have a link to the Credit Suisse ARM reset chart?

Comment by arroyogrande
2007-07-23 12:19:52

http://www.recharts.com/reports/CSHB031207/CSHB031207.pdf

Page 47 if I remember correctly…this is the actual source of the graph, good reading…

Anyone know where Ivy Zelman ended up?

 
 
Comment by arroyogrande
2007-07-23 12:23:27

DQ (DataQuick) has the new California numbers out for June 2007:

LA Times SoCal chart:
http://www.dqnews.com/ZIPCAR.shtm

Cali select cities chart:
http://www.dqnews.com/ZIPCAR.shtm

I haven’t even looked at the data yet…

 
Comment by Northwest Pam
2007-07-23 14:57:35

Any opinions on whether Portland Oregon will be immune from the bust? I am havingtrouble getting a “read” on this market.

Comment by sf jack
2007-07-23 15:04:05

Immunity will not be granted.

End of story.

A longer story to play out on the downturn, perhaps, but nonetheless predictable.

 
Comment by tj & the bear
2007-07-23 22:59:51

Immunity is a fantasy concocted by local RE shills.

 
 
Comment by Bye FL
2007-07-23 20:17:17

The New Haven Register from Connecticut. “Originally hoping to spend no more than $1,200 or $1,300 a month on mortgage payments, she ended up taking out two adjustable rate mortgages, or ARMs, one covering 80 percent of her $199,000 loan and another covering the remaining 20 percent, resulting in combined monthly payments of about $1,600. She financed the entire mortgage, with no down payment.”

“She was driven by the American dream of owning a home, she said. Now, 16 months later, her mortgage payment has ballooned to more than $2,000 a month, forcing her to work at least 80 hours a week, split between two jobs.”

“And the threat of foreclosure looms. ‘It does worry me,’ (Ms.)Wright said.”

Give me a break. You can’t have everything you want. Are you happy with what you did? 80 hours of work a week? Wow you won’t last long before you get all burnt out. I had a part time job at 30 hours a week and before that school and it became too much at times to handle. You will probably get foreclosed when house prices crash and you owe far more than the house is worth. You caught the falling knife and it slit your wrist!

 
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