July 27, 2007

Bits Bucket And Craigslist Finds For July 27, 2007

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Comment by Key Lime Toast
2007-07-27 05:08:06

Fishkind is still at it. Who is paying this clown?

http://www.sun-herald.com/Newsstory.cfm?pubdate=072707&story=bz3.htm&folder=NewsArchive2

“Florida’s economy is not on the verge of recession”

“On Friday Bloomberg news service created quite a stir with a story flamboyantly entitled “Miami Condo Glut Pushes Florida’s Economy to Brink of Recession.”
In the story, the highly respected economist Mark Zandi from Moody’s/Economy.com predicted that the oversupply of condominiums in South Florida will force prices down as much as 30 percent, the worst decline since the 1970s, and help push Florida’s economy into recession as early as October.”

“It is also important to note that Florida’s housing markets, outside of Miami’s condo market, have hit bottom months ago. The closing volume for new and for existing homes has stabilized. Although closing volumes are not going higher anytime soon, they are no longer declining.”

“Therefore, we have already seen the worst for this cycle. There is no evidence of sharp price drops anywhere in the state, and there is no reason to expect any such drops outside of Miami condos. Population growth is holding up well as the state continues to attract large volumes of retirees and working families looking for jobs. I estimate that population growth has declined from its peaks, but it is still running at about 900 new net residents each day. So, there are no data to suggest that a recession is imminent.”

Dr. Henry D. Fishkind heads Fishkind & Associates, a 26-member economic and financial consulting firm with offices in Orlando, Naples and Port St. Lucie.

Comment by Michael Fink
2007-07-27 05:32:37

What in the he** is this guy thinking? Does he even understand the pricing mechanisms that determine the value of homes?

Sure, it’s just Miami. And every other market that has seen rapid appreciation. Which is the ENTIRE STATE OF FL, as well as much of the United States.

What an idiot.

Comment by Key Lime Toast
2007-07-27 05:38:53

The Florida media and legislators hold the economic opinions and analysis of Fishkind in high regard. He is often quoted by both. This state is screwed and mismanaged beyond belief.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2007-07-27 05:46:04

It could be worse. Michael Vick could be playing for the Dolphins. Then things would really be bad.

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Comment by Tom
2007-07-27 05:48:11

I don’t think I want to see Dolphin fighting.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2007-07-27 06:14:26

Michael “Mad Dog” Vick! LOL.

 
Comment by arizonadude
2007-07-27 07:03:36

The vickless falcons are off to a very rough season.Joey harrington cannot run this team.

 
Comment by txchick57
2007-07-27 07:12:25

Michael Vick deserves to be buried UNDER the stadium. I can’t believe any lawyer would take that case (defense). I wouldn’t for any amount of money.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2007-07-27 09:15:59

Yep, He should be thrown into a closed cage with several pissed off Pit Bulls. He’s nothing more than a common low life.

 
Comment by spike66
2007-07-27 11:27:15

“He’s nothing more than a common low life. ”

I think common low-lifes are being insulted. Vick is a sick, twisted scuzz. Him in a cage with a couple of pits–make it an HBO special–and send the proceeds to fund animal shelters.
Watching this tough guy get his against a couple of killer pits–now that sports fans, is real action.

 
Comment by Curt
2007-07-27 11:28:16

If Vick were traded to Cleveland, how would the crazys in the “Dog Pound” react??

 
Comment by Sally OMaley
2007-07-27 21:37:35

Hey, folks, innocent until proven guilty.

 
Comment by Sally OMaley
2007-07-27 21:39:14

Hey folks, innocent until proven guilty.

 
Comment by Sally OMaley
2007-07-27 21:41:16

Hey, folks, he’s innocent until proven guilty. But if he is guilty, then I agree with everything said!

 
 
 
 
2007-07-27 05:32:52

“…continues to attract large volumes of working families looking for jobs.” So the public school enrollments must be UP? The sentence can’t possible be true, if enrollment is down.

Comment by Bad Andy
2007-07-27 07:26:11

“The sentence can’t possible be true, if enrollment is down.”

Not exactly if we’re only attracting the newly retired as the article suggests. Unfortunately we’re not attracting anyone!

Back years ago, Florida attracted the retired and the tourists. People moved to get jobs to service these two types because of warm weather and a low cost of living.

Enter 2002-2005 and we attracted flippers, developers, and tradesmen. Services couldn’t and didn’t keep up as Palm Beach County ran on an average shortage of 500 teachers in each of those 3 years (some districts don’t even employ 500 teachers).

As Florida loses the flippers, developers, tradesmen, and real estate “professionals” we’ll see everything return to normal. This is at minimum a 5 year and likely a 10 year process. We’re just 2 years in…

It’s a great time to buy!!!

Comment by Magic kat
2007-07-27 23:40:03

“It’s a great time to buy!”
bad loans at 10 cents on the dollar

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Comment by Tom
2007-07-27 05:33:19

It has not hit bottom months ago. Prices are the lowest today that they have been for a while. This clown has no credibility and is a liar. Sounds like a shill from the RE industry who should not be trusted. His comments should come with a warning.

Comment by david cee
2007-07-27 09:32:43

Tom, you can’t trust the liars, and you can’t trust the agencies that watch over the liars.

quality of data on borrowers and loan characteristics provided by lenders to the ratings agencies “has also come under question,” Standard & Poor’s says.

“Data quality is fundamental to our rating analysis,” the ratings agency said in a report explaining its decision to reconsider its ratings on MBS classes issued in 2005 and 2006. “The loan performance associated with the data to date has been anomalous in a way that calls into question the accuracy of some of the initial data provided to us regarding the loan and borrower characteristics.”

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2007-07-27 09:47:01

Wait… me confused… If Joe Shlub says he makes $100,000 a year when he actually makes $50,000, why can’t we lend him $500,000 to buy a house on an option ARM? How can this be bad? Me is so confused, me is… Gee, maybe the data has a problem - who’d have guessed? Duh!

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Comment by flatffplan
2007-07-27 05:35:34

it’s not on the brink , it’s in
call someone in FL and try to sell them something

 
Comment by Tom
2007-07-27 05:45:10

http://www.fishkind.com/about.html

“Dr. Fishkind is also a noted speaker and expert witness in antitrust, eminent domain, intellectual property, personal injury, wrongful death, and business damage cases. The firm conducts economic and market analysis in support of Dr. Fishkind’s testimony.”

In a court case in the near future during a corss examination….

So Dr. Fishkind, is it true that you predicted the bottom of the housing in Florida in 2007 and recommended people should rush back in?

Dr. Fishkind: Well, not exactly, I based my…

Attorney: A simple Yes or No would do.

Dr. Fishkind: Yes

Jury: GASP!

Attorney: Is it also true you said that 900 people a day were moving to Florida in 2007?

Dr. Fishkind: That’s what everyone was saying

Attorney: But aren’t you an expert!? Shouldn’t anyone with half a brain been able to figure this out?

Dr. Fishkind: I guess, but I kept listening to Michael Saunders and Barbara Corcoran and they said it’s a great time to buy.

Jury members to themselves: This guy is an idiot.

Attorney: No further questions.

Comment by mwwp
2007-07-27 07:51:08

LOL - you’ve never been in a courtroom before have you.

Comment by Tom
2007-07-27 09:02:15

I have and it’s nothing like that, but I could write for entertainment : )… isn’t that the crap you see on TV?

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Comment by Tom
2007-07-27 05:47:41

He sounds like the perfect replacement for Lawrence Yun… if that doesn’t work, he could be the new Fed Chief when they kick Bernanke to the curb. If not that, he could replace Paulson.

 
Comment by Michelle
2007-07-27 08:41:35

ok..this is a situation of a economic guy who isn’t looking at the numbers…So let me help this $250K salary waster who has more KNOWLEDGE than Bloomberg:

1) Major moving companies such as Van Lines, have recorded for the FIRST time in 15 years more people MOVING OUT OF FLORIDA THAN MOVING IN…CHECK THE RATES

2)There is a shortage of workers available for low paying jobs…rent a limo and read the FOR HIRE SIGNS..

3)We are placed #1 in the country for FORECLOSURES

4) Employers are LAYING OFF PEOPLE…those numbers may not be reflected in the unemployment rate of the state as many are relocating

5)Housing related items , construction and materials are not being purchased causing some long established companies to close doors or reduce work force

6)The walmarts and target are not opening “planned” stores..their “Real” economists are telling them not too..

7) How have prices stabilized in the market when prices continue to fall and inventory continues to rise for both condos and single family homes…the only homes selling are the high end that are skewing the numbers…Evidence of severe price drops can be seen with a small sampling from the mls.

8)What families are relocating to the area..Miami Dade, Broward and Palm Beach Counties have all recorded LARGE DROPS in student enrollment…

9 ) Retirees going to Florida… where is your support? Florida isn’t even in the top ten places to retiree..that is recommended..

Comment by Tom
2007-07-27 09:07:45

Also, 1 out of 5 jobs in West Central Florida are housing related.

 
Comment by Moman
2007-07-27 13:46:51

It’s pretty clear he is either delusional, or trying to talk the economy good. First people to get cut in any downturn are forecasters and consultants, and he will probably be without a job. I wouldn’t hire the guy based on this baseless statement. Tampa real estate is going down, and that’s a statement of fact from the trenches, not some kind of academic guess from the top tower in Naples. Anyways, if he’s really based in Naples, how can he not see the for sale signs everywhere?

 
 
 
Comment by luvs_footie
2007-07-27 05:09:44
Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-27 06:51:35

No worries…

Wall Street stabilizes
U.S. stocks little changed at open, after huge selloff on credit, housing concerns.
July 27 2007: 9:33 AM EDT

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — U.S. stocks were mixed at Friday’s open, as a better-than-expected economic growth report extinguished only some of the credit and housing fears that led to the year’s second biggest Dow drop.

The Dow Jones industrial average was virtually unchanged. The Nasdaq composite index was down 0.2 percent. The Standard & Poor’s 500 index lost 0.1 percent.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/07/27/markets/markets_nyopen/index.htm

Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-27 07:43:46

Hulbert: “It’s all good, cause bulls are still bullish…” But wouldn’t a contrarian take this irrationally exuberant bullishness in the face of a major market correction as a sell signal? And anybody who is surprised by the subprime impact is a complete moron.

MARK HULBERT
Subprime Surprise
Commentary: Despite Thursday, top market timing newsletters remain bullish
By Mark Hulbert, MarketWatch
Last Update: 12:00 AM ET Jul 27, 2007

ANNANDALE, Va. (MarketWatch) — Thursday’s market plunge was the worst since the 416-point drop in late February.

The February drop, of course, was blamed on a drop in the Chinese stock market, which is why some commentators blamed the drop on Wall Street on what they called the “Shanghai Surprise.”

It’s too early to know what the commentators will name the cause of Thursday’s drop. But since the culprit is assumed to be continued weakness in the subprime lending market, I’ll call it the “Subprime Surprise.”

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/top-market-timing-newsletters-remain/story.aspx?guid=%7B6238A21C%2D9B93%2D423C%2D82C8%2DBEA920643430%7D

Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2007-07-27 08:19:56

So the next one… before Halloween…wil be called:
The “Gomer Pyle Surprise”

“Surprise, Surprise, Surprise… Mr Carter!” ;-)

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Comment by jsocal
2007-07-27 09:32:15

emmmmm - that’s SGT Carter, SUH!

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Comment by NYCityBoy
2007-07-27 05:13:17

The only question for today is whether the GDP number will be some fantasy number or not. They are predicting 3.6%. WTF? Building is off 40 percent or so and we are getting an increase of GDP at a 3.6% clip? Pull this other leg……

Comment by dba
2007-07-27 05:31:03

http://www.bea.gov/index.htm

and the number is 3.4%

Comment by P'cola Popper
2007-07-27 05:37:10

Building inventories going into a recession.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2007-07-27 05:48:51

But government spending was up 4.2%. That makes me feel better. This is bogus, once again. The consumer is dying. Good luck in a consumer-driven economy when the consumer is tapped out.

I would like to be known as a citizen.

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Comment by say what
2007-07-27 06:03:33

This is deep because if you want to be a citizen your live would have to take on entirely new focus…activism.

 
Comment by P'cola Popper
2007-07-27 06:33:31

Yep. Under further analysis government spending and commercial construction were behind the increase. Commercial construction will follow residential into the hole and the consumer is petering out.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Tom
2007-07-27 05:49:56

Well you know, Inflation is really running around 13% but they say it is 2.5% so the difference goes to GDP baby!

Comment by Hoz
2007-07-27 11:46:49

Tom, I do not know if inflation is running at 5% or13% - I know it is not as low as the government professes, Mr. Williams analysis understood; You are absolutely correct that inflation has a great deal to do with todays GDP. The government used an annual inflation rate of 2.7%, which just confirms what most Americans already know. We are in a recession.

Comment by jungle_man
2007-07-27 15:52:09

been sayin that for some time, everbody says Im full of BS.

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Comment by wmbz
2007-07-27 05:18:57

Brunswick… If folks are cutting back on toys, then look out!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-fri_localerns_0727jul27,0,2572216.story

Comment by Key Lime Toast
2007-07-27 05:32:52

The boating industry/market, except for the high end, has been doing very poorly for a while now, pretty much parallel to the housing market.

2007-07-27 05:36:21

I imagine BEO is weighing on the martket.

Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-27 07:10:24

BEO = boat estate owned? That’s a new one on me…

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2007-07-27 08:27:24

I was thinking Boating Equipment Owned. Yes, I made it up.

 
 
 
Comment by Muggy
2007-07-27 05:44:33

We’ve discussed this before, but the next few years will be great toy buying opportunities. I’m already seeing trucks and boats ‘For Sale’ in lawns all over Pinellas.

Comment by grubner
2007-07-27 05:58:59

“the next few years will be great toy buying opportunities”

I have been waiting / saving for 6 years.
cabo cabo cabo cabo cabo cabo

got tuna?

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Comment by Ft Lauderdale
2007-07-27 06:07:01

The boat repo yard down the road is FULL… I have steer the spousal unit out of there on a regular basis;-)

 
Comment by scdave
2007-07-27 08:00:09

I got a buddy on the Oregon coast that just purchased a “New” 30 ft boat from the manufacturer…Normal list
= $225,000…..He purchased it for $165,000….He believes he purchased it for cost….

 
 
Comment by 42
2007-07-27 09:41:50

they’re all over lawns here in NE Mass.

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Comment by vozworth
2007-07-27 06:56:07

work next to a bayliner facility, split shift is no more, just one.

boat shipments are off, more than 40%.

Comment by HoldoutinLA
2007-07-27 09:07:44

In LA on the 605 just north of the 10 is a brand spanking new showroom built from scratch for a local boat dealrship. I drive by it everyday. It hasn’t opened yet, but the way things are going he would be better off leaving it that way.
At the liquidation, I am going to pick one up and christen it the “HELOC Honey”

 
 
2007-07-27 07:18:08

I have a friend who has a boat on the Chain of Lakes (NW Chicago area) and I get up there 3-4 times a summer. I’ve noticed the past couple of years more boats not in slips or, if they are there, with for sale signs on them.

Comment by jonaskinny
2007-07-27 10:29:34

better to have the friend with a boat than the boat.

Comment by james
2007-07-27 11:59:14

im considering buying a boat to live on rther than buying an inflated condo. THe way the markets going, in a year i might be able to do both.

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Comment by excoastie
2007-07-27 12:38:00

two best days one owns a boat: the day you buy; the day you sale it!

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Comment by Moman
2007-07-27 13:50:38

If it flies, floats, or fuc&s you’re better off renting it

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by P\'cola Popper
2007-07-27 05:32:06

If we have a global economy that is fueled by global credit then the Fed is probably powerless since the source of funds is outside their control. Seems like the credit crunch can only be cured (temporarily?) by reduction in rates in the funding countries of Japan and China.

Another issue is the discrediting of the rating agencies. When Triple A paper drops 5% in less than a week (how many sigmas is that?) the whole credit rating system is called into question upon which the fate and value of $trillions of debt securities worldwide depend. Now we know that AAA CDOS/RMBS etc. are not AAA. What about the bonds issued by all those dodgy companies/soveriegns in the emerging markets?

Also even if we get a snap back in the equities market today the underlying rot in the credit market is not going away and therefore the equities market remains susceptible.

Be careful out there.

Comment by P'cola Popper
2007-07-27 06:58:02

OMG. Bush is on CNBC giving the GDP number!! How desperate can things be? This after a measly 2% fall yesterday. Sheesh.

That 3.5% GDP figure is probably produced by the same group that “located” the WMDs in Iraq before the invasion. Look out below!!

Comment by FutureVulture
2007-07-27 08:46:59

I was thinking the same thing. Not to mention his four economic horsemen joining him, and then appearing in a roundtable on CNBC. These guys have zero clues. They know how to reassure Joe Sixpack, maybe kinda, but this crisis requires reassuring the big boys, and this isn’t the way to do it. Not that it would matter for long anyway.

Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-27 09:43:54

“four economic horsemen joining him”

Did they look anything like the four horsemen of the apocalypse?

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Comment by FutureVulture
2007-07-27 09:47:19

Yeah, now that you mention it :-)

 
 
 
Comment by Hoz
2007-07-27 08:49:05

The GDP number is a non event, the personal consumption coming in at 2.7% was horrible.

 
 
 
Comment by BubbleViewer
2007-07-27 05:32:36


IRS Loses Tax Challenge

The Internal Revenue Service has lost a lawyer’s challenge in front of a jury to prove a constitutional foundation for the nation’s income tax, and the victorious attorney now is setting his sights higher.
“I think now people are beginning to realize that this has got to be the largest fraud, backed up by intimidation and extortion and by the sheer force of taking peoples property and hard-earned money without any lawful authorization whatsoever,” lawyer Tom Cryer told WND just days after a jury in Louisiana acquitted him of two criminal tax counts.
Although the legal citations in the case tend to run the length of paragraphs, Cryer told WND the underlying issue is not that complicated. Essentially, he argued that income is not necessarily any money that comes to a person, but rather categories such as profit and interest.
He said the free exchange of labor for compensation has been upheld as a right by the Supreme Court, but that doesn’t necessarily make the compensation income.
If ever such an argument were to be presented widely, Cryer said, the income to the federal government would plummet. But not to worry, he said, the expenses could be reduced equally by eliminating programs, departments and agencies that also have no foundation in the Constitution.
“The Founding Fathers intentionally restricted the taxing powers of the new federal government as a measure of restraint on its size. By exceeding that limited taxing authority the federal government has been able to obtain resources beyond its intended reach, and that money has enabled the federal government to exceed its authority,” he said.
The jury in U.S. District Court in Louisiana voted 12-0 to find Cryer, of Shreveport, not guilty of failure to file income taxes for two years. He had been indicted in 2006 on charges of failing to pay $73,000 to the IRS in 2000 and 2001. The next step in his personal case will be up to the IRS and prosecutors, if they choose to continue the issue, he said.

Comment by Michael Fink
2007-07-27 05:42:55

From a news perspective, I am usually interested in seeing the progress in these cases. I think that most people actually believe that income tax is not supported by the law, but at the same time, who really cares?

We all know that if there was a finding that income tax was not supported by law the next step (immediate next step) would be for a change to the law. Why bother? If you’re right, they will just change the rules!

Comment by Tom
2007-07-27 05:57:13

True but all those back taxes could not be collected on. You also know that if they change it, many lobbyists will lobby for legislation to give them unfair advantages.

Comment by LA-Architect
2007-07-27 08:02:16

If these citizens decide that paying taxes is unconstitutional I hope that they make sure that they don’t use anything that has been funded by other “taxpayers”. That means roads, public transport, beaches…..

The list is endless.

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Comment by bluto
2007-07-27 08:40:37

You are aware that if you were to just take the cost of roads, public transport, and beaches, it would be a tiny fraction of the federal budget (Defense, Welfare, Interest are each about 1/4 of the on budget, budget–those drop to a little under a fifth if Social Security is included).

 
Comment by Bad Andy
2007-07-27 08:41:35

“…I hope that they make sure that they don’t use anything that has been funded by other “taxpayers”. That means roads, public transport, beaches…”

I give them credit for standing up for what they believe in. It takes a special kind of courage to take the government on like that.

Being from LA though I’m sure that your political beliefs are much different than mine.

 
Comment by Magic kat
2007-07-27 23:57:23

How about the Brown family in New Hamshire? They must have been very happy to hear this news - I mean if the feds hadn’t cut off thier power, cut thier cable tv, blocked the internet, and shut off the cell phones. They said they’d pay all the taxes they owe, just quote the law that requires them to do so. How long will this waco rerun last? And where’s Ron Paul when you need him?
http://www.makethestand.com/

 
 
 
 
Comment by WAman
2007-07-27 05:48:10

One could get a jury in the south to do anything. Don’t you remember the hot cup of coffee? Need I say more?

Comment by Bad Chile
2007-07-27 06:33:47

The coffee incident was in New Mexico, which for the most part the territory was under the Union flag save for a brief forray by a regiment of Texans that flew the Confederate flag over Santa Fe for a short time until they were defeated in the Battle of Glorietta Pass by a Union detachment from California. That date is now known as the day in which New Mexicans started despising Californian’s equally to Texans.

It had nothing to do with the coffee temperature, New Mexicans just realize that McDonald’s prodcut is far inferrior to Blake’s Lotaburger.

Comment by lvrenter
2007-07-27 11:20:35

Hallelujah for Blake’s Lotaburger. It’s been too long since I’ve had one of those! Best fast food burger in the country.

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Comment by bluto
2007-07-27 08:50:09

The coffee case makes a lot of sense when you have all the facts. McDonalds kept their coffee too warm (~200F vs normal serving temperature that’s 160-180F) so they wouldn’t have to throw out coffee as frequently. Because their coffee was too hot it presented a pretty severe burn risk (the woman required several skin grafts due to the damage).
The extravagence of the judgement was intended to punish McDonalds (just paying for the medical costs and a very generous pain and suffering settlement isn’t enough to get the firm to change behavior). How do you punish a corporation that earns about $3 billion a year? Punative damages should hurt enough to get behavior to change, but our system of punative damages going to the victor makes sense if everyone is roughly similar in size.
The judgement was substantially reduced on appeal anyway to under a million if I recall correctly.

Comment by Cassandra
2007-07-27 17:04:09

Also, little know facts: 1) I believe the initial award was subsequently overturned, and 2) She eventually died as a result of her injuries.

Also, since Albuquerque is apx 5300 ft, I doubt the coffee was that hot. (water boils at lower temps at higher altitutes)

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Comment by Sally OMaley
2007-07-27 21:58:12

Link?

 
Comment by Liz from Boston
2007-07-27 22:23:14

Here’s a link from FindLaw

 
Comment by bluto
2007-07-27 22:55:37

I lived at 5200 ft for a few years and boiling water is cooler but not that much cooler it still boils at 200F which is hot enough that even momentary contact will burn you. A little salt will usually solve any major issues with boiling too cool.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Bill in Phoenix
2007-07-27 07:23:00

I read that when the income tax was established by the 16th amendment, it was not properly voted by 3/4 of the states. Whether it is illegal or legal, there is nothing we can do but pay. I’m not for any tax except tariffs (taxes on imports to the U.S.). Americans want to have their cake and eat it too: lots of expensive and grossly inefficient government programs and low taxes. They cannot have both. The chickens will come home to roost when the next generation gets the bill (or the generation after that).

Comment by Bad Andy
2007-07-27 07:38:17

“Whether it is illegal or legal, there is nothing we can do but pay.”

We get into very dangerous territory by fighting it. I’m not pro tax or pro government…but if it were found illegal by say the Supreme Court, the government would be forced to return taxes to the people. At that point only very bad things could happen.

My opinion? Have congress act to repeal income tax NOW. Eliminate wasteful spending in Washington and return us to a minimalist government as the founders intended it. What is the job of our government?
1) Provide a strong military
2) Make laws

Vote Libertarian!

Comment by Bill in Phoenix
2007-07-27 07:53:18

Vote Libertarian!
Excellant advice! I did in all elections since 1978 (at age 19) except in 2004 when I had a logic malfunction. I read all sorts of libertarian books, including hard core libertarian ones (I suggest Lysander Spooner’s essay “No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority.” - I drank lots of Kool-Aid after reading that one).

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Comment by Bad Andy
2007-07-27 08:16:48

“I did in all elections since 1978 (at age 19) except in 2004 when I had a logic malfunction.”

I have always voted libertarian whenever possible/practical. Unfortunately I voted for Kerry in 2004 simply because I didn’t want Bush in the Whitehouse any longer.

In 2006 I voted Republican for governor and checked the Libertarian boxes the rest of the way down. In the most important races I feel it’s important to vote for the most viable candidate that meets as many of your views as possible. If the Dems would have put a trained chimp against Bush in 2004 I would have voted for the trained chimp.

 
Comment by ajas
2007-07-27 09:31:14

In the most important races I feel it’s important to vote for the most viable candidate that meets as many of your views as possible.

I wonder if republicans will face this dilemma in 2008 if Ron Paul joins the presidential race as an independent (a la Nader in 2000). A lot of people connect with him as being genuine, and something American politics should trend toward, and I doubt they’re afraid of voting so.

It could make things very interesting.

 
Comment by Bad Andy
2007-07-27 09:46:48

“I wonder if republicans will face this dilemma in 2008 if Ron Paul joins the presidential race as an independent (a la Nader in 2000).”

When Ron doesn’t get the party nomination, I don’t know how much conservative support he’ll really draw. Problem is the Republican party values restrictions on freedom too much to support Ron.

 
 
Comment by Max
2007-07-27 09:56:44

I have a question - how do libertarians feel about the Internet? Wasn’t the Internet (and lots of other high-tech stuff) invented by (or for the needs of) the big government?

How about the whole mathematical discipline called statistics - it began in the 19th century, because the government needed to analyze the information gathered by the census (illegal in the view of Ron Paul, btw).

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Comment by Bad Andy
2007-07-27 10:02:46

“How about the whole mathematical discipline called statistics - it began in the 19th century, because the government needed to analyze the information gathered by the census (illegal in the view of Ron Paul, btw).”

The census isn’t illegal in its mission, however census must be taken on a voluntary basis. Frankly the information provided to the census is far to personal in this guy’s opinion.

Internet and other high-tech “stuff” would still exist without big government. Free markets lead to big technology breakthroughs. Don’t forget the strong defensive military stance of the Libertarian party. “Stuff” like GPS probably would have been developed by the govenment through private industry just as it was.

 
Comment by not a gator
2007-07-27 13:56:00

Private industry never had the capital to put the satellites up that GPS depends on.

Still doesn’t.

Ditto for your weather reports. Gov’t weather satellites. Accuweather just bought (via lobbyists) the right to redistribute NOAA weather reports (which are available free to the public online at http://www.nws.noaa.gov).

They tried to take away free public access once to give themselves a monopoly, but mercifully failed.

 
 
 
 
Comment by tj & the bear
2007-07-28 00:27:28

I’ve read that the 16th amendment was never legally ratified. Interesting stuff, but no court would ever dare challenge it.

California’s “recapturing” clearly flies in the face of Prop 13, yet the courts here validated the practice because they feared the consequences.

 
 
Comment by Roger H
2007-07-27 05:37:52

I have another question about second mortgages. When a person gets a second mortgage, do they make two payments (one to the primary lender and the other to the secondary lender) or do they send one check to a trustee whom divides the payment respectively. Can someone default on a second mortgage but be current on a first?

Comment by WAman
2007-07-27 05:42:22

I send out two payments electronically. And yes I could stop paying the second and they could do nothing about it.

Comment by ibbots
2007-07-27 06:15:07

I am not familiar with the laws in WA, but generally speaking, a lienholder in second position can generally foreclose for default. Whether they choose to or not depends on several factors.

 
Comment by Jackie Childs
2007-07-27 08:18:10

There is nothing on a mortgage note that I have seen that reads “2nd mortgage”

Mortgages are filed as a lien on your property and they are recognized by their filing date. A second mortgage is a junior position to a first mortage. If you stopped paying on your 2nd mortgage, they can initiate foreclosure proceedings, but they would have to payoff the first position.

Comment by Bad Andy
2007-07-27 08:37:26

“If you stopped paying on your 2nd mortgage, they can initiate foreclosure proceedings, but they would have to payoff the first position. ”

Which is why they usually won’t initiate foreclosure proceedings unless your 1st and 2nd mortgage combined are very low. Example would be a house worth $400K with a 1st mortgage at $200K and a 2nd at $50K. Most likely they would make more money in foreclosure than writing off as a loss.

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Comment by yogurt
2007-07-27 09:25:48

Or in other words, 2nd mortgages are junk.

 
Comment by Bad Andy
2007-07-27 10:16:57

“Or in other words, 2nd mortgages are junk.”

Don’t know if the 1st response made it or not…got an error.

A 2nd mortgage is only slightly more secured than a credit card. Lenders used to charge double the interest on a 2nd mortgage. Peak of the boom we only saw a .5% premium paid for a 2nd mortgage. Suicide by dumb decisions for banks willing to make those loans.

 
 
 
 
Comment by drumminj
2007-07-27 06:19:22

I imagine this may be dependent on whether the borrower uses an escrow service for the mortgage + taxes + insurance. Personally, I waived escrow and instead make two separate payments each month for my first and second mortgage. There’s nothing stopping me from only making one of the two payments (until the lender has a problem with it).

Comment by Housing Wizard
2007-07-27 07:56:26

Most lenders want notice if senior or junior loans are in default .Also if you have a mortgage balance the lender gets notice if you stop paying the insurance policy or the taxes .

Many loan contracts carry a clause that the lender has the right to call the note or pay payments not paid or assign you a policy and than charge the borrower .As far as property taxes go, most lenders will set up a impound account for taxes after the lender advances the funds in a attempt to give the borrower a attempt to correct the problem . It would be very hard for a party with a loan to go the full five years without paying taxes ,that would cause a tax sale .I don’t know what the lenders are doing with these sub-prime loans that have a high % of borrowers that are not paying the taxes or the insurance policy or a junior leins ,but usually a lender addresses not paying taxes and insurance early on . A second trust deed holder would be very concerned if a borrower was defaulting on the first TD, but paying the second TD. The second TD holder would have to bring the first trust deed current to protect their position . These days I’m sure alot of second TD holders (Trust Deed holders ) are knowing that they are toast .

Comment by ajas
2007-07-27 11:25:06

hahah what happens when the seller is the one carrying back the subordinated financing… err, I mean down payment :)

*poof*

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2007-07-27 22:22:54

In a tight money market sometimes the only way to make a deal work is for the seller to take back some of the purchase money financing ,(if they have enough equity to do so ).
IF a seller takes back a second TD on a purchase transaction the lender on the first TD has to approve the transaction of course and the appraisal has to be really sound .

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Mike in Chicago
2007-07-27 05:39:27

Oh, the irony of FREE “Self Defense Classes” for Realtors on August 2nd!! after reading the title of this article: “Relax. Chicago Market almost normal dated July 15th, Chicago Tribune.”

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/nearwest/chi-mary_re_07-15jul15,0,1204058.story

“It’s timely then, that the Martial Arts Club of Woodstock is offering a free safety and self-defense program for real estate agents from 1 to 3 p.m. Aug. 2 at the club’s facility at 686 S. Eastwood Dr. in the far northwest suburb.”

2007-07-27 07:21:42

I’m pissed that I missed that part of the story. I link it on my blog but I guess I didn’t read far enough.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2007-07-27 07:45:47

As a black belt I can say confidently that one cannot learn “self defense” in two short hours.

 
Comment by ajas
2007-07-27 07:58:07

So if I go, do I get to beat the snot out of some relitters for a few hours for free.

“Say it!!”

“OW!!!”

“SAY IT!!”

“We’re not… any different. Sometimes prices go.. ouch… down.”

“…Alright, next.”

2007-07-27 08:21:16

I don’t even think a “beat down” would make them come off their talking points. I am in favor of water boarding realtwhores however.

 
Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2007-07-27 08:27:24

LMAO ;-)

 
 
 
Comment by MikeinChicago
2007-07-27 05:42:40

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/nearwest/chi-mary_re_07-15jul15,0,1204058.story

It’s timely then, that the Martial Arts Club of Woodstock is offering a free safety and self-defense program for real estate agents from 1 to 3 p.m. Aug. 2 at the club’s facility at 686 S. Eastwood Dr. in the far northwest suburb.

Comment by vozworth
2007-07-27 06:59:48

great networking event with FB’rs

 
 
Comment by Kent from Waco
2007-07-27 05:53:29

Was talking to my retired father the other day about his investments. He’s got an some sort of professional financial planner managing his accounts which are probably in the ballpark of $1 million or so. Most of it sounded reasonable, a mix of low-cost index funds, bonds, and that sort of thing. But it turns out this guy has my dad in REITs also. It’s a small percentage of his portfolio, but still….

That just shocked me and I pressed him on it. My Dad didn’t know that much really, except that they are commercial-property investments not residential property and that his planner was still bullish on REITs as a diversification strategy.

Is this crazy? I really don’t understand the REIT investment market but it just struck me as rather risky to be putting retirement funds into REITs at this point in time.

Comment by jag
2007-07-27 06:11:06

REITS have skyrocketed over the last five years. Their yields are tiny.

If you believe in the regression to the mean for any investment class you’d avoid this kind of investment like the plague.

Comment by Kent from Waco
2007-07-27 06:44:41

Those were my thoughts exactly.

Although I also understand the argument for diversification where you just pick your diversified investment strategy and stick with it.

I guess I don’t know enough about REITs to have an educated opinion about them.

Comment by FutureVulture
2007-07-27 09:12:22

Although I also understand the argument for diversification where you just pick your diversified investment strategy and stick with it.

For people who aren’t comfortable analyzing investments, diversification is the way to go, no question. But be careful not to bias your diversification toward certain things just because they have worked lately. For example, at one time it was standard investment advice to have 5% to 10% of your assets in precious metals. But by year 2000, when that really would have been good advice, everyone hated PMs, and almost no investment advisors would recommend ANY in your portfolio. Now of course they’re starting to again…

Another way to go, without actually analyzing investments, is just to go with people you trust. I’m in the “peanut gallery” according to Bill, so don’t trust me, but I think most people on this board would agree that commercial REITs are a horrible place to have any money for now.

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Comment by Sharrow42
2007-07-27 11:19:48

I am a huge housing bear. I sold my home last year, and are currently renting.

That said, I actually own a ‘Preferred REIT’. A Preferred stock has a fixed dividend, which is paid BEFORE any DVD the common stock may have. It also takes precedence over the Common stock in the case of any liquidation. I would find out if the broker has your father in the Preferred or Common stock. If it was the Common, I would recommend switching over to the Preferred.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Bill in Phoenix
2007-07-27 07:30:46

Hey Kent, as long as he has a set percentage in REITs, large company stock fund, a small company stock fund, a conservative bond fund, and an international stock fund and is comfortable with the risk, and as long as his financial advisor balances the funds to maintain the percentage, it should not be any big deal. Markets operate in cycles. The winning assets the last 3 or 4 years will be losers the next 3 or 4 years perhaps. The losing assets will probably replace the winning assets. There are some people who think every investment the next ten years will lose. That is ridiculous! I would believe them if they gave me any 5 year period in which all asset classes (precious metals, real estate, equities, bonds) lost. URL?

Comment by FutureVulture
2007-07-27 09:03:20

Well I’d like a URL to someone claiming that “every investment” the next ten years will lose. That doesn’t even make sense, so of course it’s ridiculous.

Comment by But_Im_Not_Dead_Yet
2007-07-27 19:57:17

My name is URL….

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Comment by bluto
2007-07-27 12:30:37

Kent you could have made the arguement (likely correctly) that real estate was over valued and that yields were too low, and they should have been removed several years ago, too. Technically Greenspan was correct in 1997 or 1998 when he started talking about irrational exuberence in the equity markets, but anyone listening to him and investing accordingly would have missed out on pretty large gains (even if they’d held to the bottom of the bubble burst). The point is that none of us really know what the market will do, nor when it will do anything. The only successful defense is to own a little bit of everything knowing from the get go, that you’ll probably be in the hottest and worst markets, but that overall because they don’t generally move together, you’ll be better off than any other ex ante strategy. If it’s only a few percent be confidend that no index goes to 0, so worst case scenario is that his real estate investments are unlikely to cost much more than an average year’s performance. In addition they also offer more income than common stocks which can be a factor especially for a portfolio of someone in retirement.

 
 
Comment by hd74man
2007-07-27 05:54:29

Last night’s Brian William’s evening NBC news telecast sounded like it was scripted from this blog.

The term “housing bubble” was specifically mentioned three times.

Items related to the housing crash are now appearing in the Beantown Globe main and business sections everyday now.

Duh…what’s it taken now…2 years for the MSM to ramp up?

Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2007-07-27 08:29:39

Yeah, and Cramass looked like he had been rode hard and put away wet.

 
Comment by John Fontain
2007-07-27 09:35:08

Not to be outdone, the CBS Evening News had an in-depth report on a topic they must have thought would be of interest to many viewers - “How to Avoid Foreclosure.” Here is a link, the video is on the right side…

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/26/eveningnews/main3101481.shtml

You know things are getting bad when you start seeing this stuff on the evening news.

Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2007-07-27 16:06:53

Yeah, it was the lead story ;-)

 
 
 
Comment by Cobradriver
2007-07-27 05:56:02

Anecdote from the SW Florida/Sarasota area….

One of the part time guys here at work does the “Pin the legal paperwork on the door thingy” to keep him outta the bars in the afternoon :). He mentioned to me normally he does 5 or so of these per week…Yesterday he did 10 !!!!! This is mainly foreclosure realed stuff.

I asked him “How bad ya think its gonna get”? I didn’t like the look he gave me a whole lot. I think the two of us might be the only ones who think like this though in the whole building…

Chris

Comment by grubner
2007-07-27 06:06:48

OT Alert!
I have to ask, are you a Cobradriver as in a Shelby?

Comment by Cobradriver
2007-07-27 06:34:37

Yes…

A Unique Motorcars kit i built about 7 Years ago (I turn wrenches for a living). Nuthin like 440 rwhp in a 2600 lb package !!

//Sorry for the off topic//

Chris

Comment by grubner
2007-07-27 07:33:25

Lucky Bastard!

I’ll stay in the slow lane with my station wagon. On weekends I take out my 65 conv stang, only has a six though, sigh.

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Comment by Cobradriver
2007-07-27 11:32:43

grubner,

Dont sweat the six,i ran a 65 fastback 6cyl into the ground before i moved up to my neon…:).

The rust up north got so bad in it i ended up scrapping the car.

Chris

 
Comment by grubner
2007-07-27 12:51:58

The car I really covet is a conv 71 GTO. Much like the housing market and for some of the same reasons, prices have blown through the roof and for a cheap guy like me there is no value at current prices. Plus there is this little mosquito like female voice in my ear that says, “if we can’t vacation at the four seasons your not going to kick my car out of the garage and buy a vintage GTO.” Mosquitoes don’t understand muscle cars as investment vehicles. Fancy vacations are a waste of money, but cool cars are a whole different thing. But I can’t whine too much she likes boats. Maybe one day.

 
Comment by Falconsitter
2007-07-27 13:22:13

If for no other reason, “they aren’t building them anymore”

The days of finding a project in a barn, or out in the field for a few hundred bucks, are pretty much gone. Everyone has (or knows someone) who has the Internet now, and knows what these cars can sell for. Even total pieces of crap are going for insane money. All the good used “correct” pieces are pretty much gone, (or are also going for insane prices).

Good thing I bought my car back in 1991……..I just smile whenever I see the price guides, or the auction results.

 
Comment by grubner
2007-07-27 14:04:43

“bought my car”

Ok, you know I have to ask. A Falcon?

 
Comment by Falconsitter
2007-07-27 22:01:34

340 Dart Sport; call it a 340 Duster….everyone else does….:)
Very minimal rust, everything there, paid $1,300 bucks for it, and drove it home!
A “Falcon” is what I (used to) “babysit”…….soon to become “Gulfstream sitter”

 
Comment by Falconsitter
2007-07-27 22:18:08

A 340 Dart Sport (call it a 340 Duster, everyone else does).

Not meaning to brag (okay, yeah I am….:)…), check it out on “Dreamrides” archive on the “Autos Insider” page on detnews.com, 10/26/2006.

I (until recently) was “babysitter” for a “Falcon”. Soon to become “Gulfstreamsitter”

 
Comment by Falconsitter
2007-07-27 22:19:38

Sorry….first one didn’t post until after the second one posted…

 
Comment by tj & the bear
2007-07-28 00:33:08

Please explain your “babysitting” of a bizjet!

 
Comment by grubner
2007-07-28 05:55:53

Falconsitter

Funny you should use the expression babysitter. I tell people that I am a professional babysitter and that my little firm “baby-sits” other people’s money.

 
 
Comment by Chip
2007-07-27 10:18:20

Side-oiler with 2×4s?

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Comment by Cobradriver
2007-07-27 11:38:28

351/427 stroker,edelbrock topend,holly 950,solid roller cam. Yes i drive it. 40k miles right now. Tremec,4.11’s,with a narrowed jag rearend…
I probably have less in the engine than in just a good 427 block.

Chris

P.S.-the car still scares me to this day

 
Comment by Hoz
2007-07-27 11:54:55

LOL, I wanted to take the Bentley Turbo out for a test drive - just so I could do a 4 wheel launch. The salesman came out with me. :>(

 
Comment by Chip
2007-07-27 18:35:00

“P.S.-the car still scares me to this day”

Ain’t it great? Roughly like owning your own personal roller coaster, when you stand on it. A few years ago, I bid 85K on a beautiful continuation-series Shelby w/the side-oiler, but the auction rose to about $120K, as I recall, and it didn’t hit the reserve. May be just as well, because my wife might have left me if I spent that much on a car.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Flic
2007-07-27 09:16:18

Of course the sixpercenters are calling bottom yet again in all the local papers here in Sarasota!! Massive inventory, foreclosures increasing exponentially yet prices have allegedly bottomed…….I can’t even stand to read these local rags anymore…..

 
 
Comment by dude
2007-07-27 06:08:09

I’m not sure if any of you have this same problem. When I’m to the good on my spec positions in the market I generally have a harder time sleeping than when I’ve gotten myself upside down. I guess it’s because it gets the brain working on the possibilities.

So anyway, I was awake late last night in my beautiful rental home for which I pay less than $2K/mo. and my landlord pays $3K/mo. Last I checked our delusional friends at Zillow showed this particular house had lost $35K of phantom equity in the last 30 days.

Well, that got me to thinking about FBs, GFs, and the REIC.

A prediction:

Before this whole thing runs it’s course a significant number of FBs will take their revenge on the lender(s) who they blame for the total ruination of any financial security they may have had.

They will do this by burning down at least one REO home on the books of the lender whom they blame. Since it’s not their own former home there is nothing to tie them back to the crime if it’s done right.

I fear for the firefighters and next door neighbors of REO properties but I have to admit that this course of action may be the best thing that could happen to this correction.

I see 3 benefits from this. First, the FB gets some rather justifiable revenge and therefore it is less likely they will lash out in some other way and hurt an innocent. Second, this would force lenders to mark REO stocks to market and accelerate the down side of the cycle. Third, it would simply reduce the stock of REO.

Before you call me nuts, I’ll caveat this by saying that some of my most outstanding thoughts come between 1 and 3 am (if I’m not being chased through Bavarian forests by wolves while being tripped up by squirrel/monkeys in my dreams).

Comment by Kent from Waco
2007-07-27 06:26:21

Arson is a major felony in every jurisdiction in the US no matter what the motivation. I think your scenario is pretty unlikely.

What I see as more likely is disgruntled FBs gutting their homes before walking away. How much copper is in the average McMansion? What are all the fixtures worth? How about those custom granite slabs, viking range, and subzero fridge in the kitchen?

Personally I think it’s much more likely that furious FBs will be going after their houses with a crowbar and putting every removable item on ebay and craig’s list before walking away.

How would the banks deal with that? Is there some law against selling your own fridge?

Comment by Kent from Waco
2007-07-27 06:33:00

Also, if a firefighter or bystander dies in an arson-set fire, that meets the definition of felony murder in most jurisdictions. It would be a capital crime here in Texas and in most other states that have the death penalty on the books. Is it worth it to reduce the earnings of your lender by 0.000000001% ??

 
Comment by Hoz
2007-07-27 07:48:29

I think house stripping is fairly common and it makes it harder for the bank to subsequently sell. The bank has recourse against the previous owner if the bank can prove the previous owner stripped the house. In the 1980’s many houses in Texas were bulldozed by the banks because they were stripped beyond repair value.

At the current time, with copper close to all time highs, I would expect stripping.

Comment by KingSlug
2007-07-27 09:42:06

I haven’t seen many new houses built with copper, today builders are using flexible PEX stuff.

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Comment by Hoz
2007-07-27 10:52:45

“Cox officials said the company has lost more than $146,000 worth of electronics equipment and copper materials in thefts from Phoenix-area subdivisions this year.” Sep 2006

“Three people have been arrested in connection with the theft of nearly $5,000 worth of copper tubing and air conditioner coils from two hurricane-damaged residences in Violet, authorities said.” New Orleans Jul 17, 2007

I personally did not know, so I did a google search
“copper + Theft in new houses” 1,250,000

 
 
 
 
Comment by PV TOM
2007-07-27 06:43:22

Dude, you have backup plans for a new place to live?? Sounds like you just might loose the roof over your head sooner than later…

Comment by dude
2007-07-27 06:48:35

Yes, last I checked there were only 200 available rentals that fit my criteria in my area.

BTW, thus far some very short sighted answers to my post thus far. You all are thinking like rational logical beings. We’re talking about FBs here.

Comment by Paul in Jax
2007-07-27 08:41:16

Sorry, but you must have an arson fixation. It’s actually a fairly rare crime, probably rarer than murder in Jacksonville. FBs are more likely to commit suicide than arson. Bored firefighters are as likely to commit arson as FBs. Arson doesn’t interest most people, even irrational ones.

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Comment by dude
2007-07-27 09:07:01

Arson fixation, yep, I was a good boyscout.

 
Comment by Falconsitter
2007-07-27 13:29:33

To (sorta) paraphrase Mel Brooks…
“Arson, murder, mayhem, and arson”
“You said arson twice…..”
“I like arson!!”

 
 
Comment by Chrisusc
2007-07-27 08:49:57

I understand your thinking, but I believe that most people will either a) shoot each other or b) shoot the r.e. agent or mortgage broker

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Comment by dude
2007-07-27 09:08:42

Much easier to get caught shooting someone than by burning down an abandoned eyesore.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2007-07-27 06:51:05

There will likely be an epidemic of REO fires, but most will be caused by squatters and vandals (maybe even by the lenders themselves!), not FBs.

Subprime FBs who put nothing down had little “skin” in the game, and they’ll actually be relieved to pay rent that’s half or less of their former mortgage payments. Prime FBs (steadily employed breadwinners) have too much to lose if they’re caught. And what’s their beef? Their equity wasn’t stolen by the lenders. They took it out and spent it well ahead of the foreclosure.

Comment by jungle_man
2007-07-27 15:58:25

you have to CYA with a case of liquor and a carton of ciggs…

HOLY SH*T….those vagrants burned my FC house down….well, too bad.

 
 
 
Comment by weez
2007-07-27 06:20:30

if most of these flippers, investstors, speculators and real estate people were involved in “fraud” while the times were good, can you imagine what they will resort to as the times get bad???

Comment by dude
2007-07-27 09:13:45

My point exactly, if some of you al had been in LA the last couple years and heard the callers to “radio real estate” you’d have a better idea of the class of person we are talking about here.

Hold on, I change my mind, shootings are probably a more likely outcome.

 
 
Comment by P'cola Popper
2007-07-27 06:46:18

You guys gotta check this out…

http://www.bernankepanky.com/comic/bp4-1.php

Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-27 07:08:21

Over the top…

 
Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2007-07-27 08:37:08

Excellent!…I wish I had the talent to do cartoon’s like that, that’s just what is needed, truth via humor…I hope they can do one about the “Shadow Gov’t”.

 
 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-27 07:04:16

Is Kasriel just trying to say “subprime is contained” in so many words?

Around the globe, rout in credit markets accelerates
By Leslie Wines & Nick Godt, MarketWatch
Last Update: 1:48 AM ET Jul 27, 2007

NEW YORK ( MarketWatch) — America’s era of easy money is going out with a bang - and on a global scale.

Investors around the world on Thursday got a painful reminder of the fallout.

Behind the latest sell-off in the Dow Jones Industrial Average was an erosion in credit-market confidence that has plunged international corporate bonds along with emerging-market debt into an accelerated retrenchment, analysts said.

The fact is we live in a general equilibrium world,” said Paul Kasriel, chief economist at Northern Trust. “Everything affects everything else and [the U.S. housing slowdown] is spreading to other parts of the economy and the credit markets.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/debt-crunch-taking-global-scale/story.aspx?guid=%7B91361604%2D253B%2D4AD5%2D8ADE%2D12117E6D3CAD%7D

 
Comment by Kent from Waco
2007-07-27 07:05:26

Seriously though, what would happen to a FB who gutted his home of all the items of value before defaulting?

What are they going to prosecute him for? A bad remodeling job? “Your honor, the furnishings were getting out of date and I was just in the middle of remodeling. I assumed that my bank was going to finance my remodel because every week they send me more credit card officers and letters saying that I’m prequalified for home equity loans. They lied to me”

Comment by redhead68
2007-07-27 09:53:39

Too funny!

I looked at an REO this past spring, which the previous owners had stripped of appliances, lighting fixtures, air conditioner, two sump pumps, every door handle & bathroom fixture, and the kitchen & bathroom cabinet fronts. They had poured black hair dye on the carpet in every room and had spray-painted the kitchen’s wood floors & counter tops. Someone had also poured Quikrete down the bathroom shower drain and jammed the kitchen disposal with urethane foam balls. Interestingly, these people were both in their 70’s. Our Realtor just shrugged when we expressed surprise at the extent of damage. She had recently shown a million-dollar property with a jack-hammered flagstone patio. Now, that’s creative!

A young couple across the street also lost their house to foreclosure a couple of months ago. The house was in great condition, with the notable exception of stained carpeting, which was easily cleaned at nominal cost. The lawn was dead from lack of water, but that’s also easily fixed. All the appliances were still there, including the refrigerator. The people who bought it got a really good deal; $205k when similar houses are listed at $270k. Current comps are somewhere around $240k.

As an aside, after much looking, my spouse and I have decided to continue renting for another year. Real estate people here in Colorado are excited about a potential recovery because the supply of homes is decreasing & the median home price has risen. (Huh? I’ve learned enough statistics to know that these “indicators” could be interpreted many different ways.) One walk up and down my street tells me that the worst is coming. I’ve got two neighbors whose loans adjust in October, who are already hanging on by a thread. It’s six months from start to finish on a foreclosure in Colorado, so that puts into next spring. Yeah, right, the market is recovering.

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2007-07-27 07:16:52

Housing vacancy numbers are out from census. Looks like the homeowner vacancy rate fell from 2.8% in the first quarter to 2.6% in the second, though it is still up from 2.2% year-over-year.

The number of owner-occupied units rose by about 280K, while the number of renter-occupied units rose by 360K, from first quarter. The year-over-year gains are much smaller for owner-occupied, and much greater for renter occupied.

Seasonal and “other” vacancy units are up by about 190K from the prior quarter.

Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-27 07:38:01

“…fell from 2.8% in the first quarter to 2.6% in the second…”

Is the drop statistically significant? Or could it be pure noise? And what would account for the decline, against a backdrop of steadily growing for-sale inventories?

For instance, in San Diego, MLS used home for-sale inventory has increased over the course of 2007 from a seasonal low around 14,000 on February 1 to its current level of 20,000 — a 6,000 (a 43% increase). I suppose all 6,000 of these homes currently for sale must be occupied already, along with a broad assortment of never-lived-in inventory in 131 New Home Communities around San Diego. Or does the Census somehow overlook some vacant homes in their sampling methodology?

 
 
Comment by Rainmayun
2007-07-27 07:29:32

Pearlstein, from today’s Washington Post:

Will the Leak Ruin the Engine?

By Steven Pearlstein
Friday, July 27, 2007; Page D07

It’s not just about subprime mortgages anymore.

The turmoil we’re witnessing in global financial markets is nothing less than the popping of an enormous credit bubble that built up over the past five years, artificially inflating the market prices of stocks, bonds and real estate. It created a bonanza for Wall Street investment houses and private-equity funds and fueled the longest and strongest period of global economic growth in modern history.

The only question now is whether the bubble will deflate slowly enough to allow an orderly repricing of those assets, or whether a broad loss of confidence by investors will create a vicious cycle in which selling begets more selling, markets freeze up for lack of buyers, and a credit crunch ensues.

Comment by Bill in Phoenix
2007-07-27 07:42:43

If it pops slow enough, it will give us more chance to save in various other assets besides equities. For instance, savings bonds and precious metals and foreign government securities. The Permanent Portfolio had three down years in the last 21 years: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=PRPFX and has a Morningstar rating of 5 stars. it’s into gold, silver, Treasury notes, and Swiss securities. My AAZBX fund had one down year and 11 up years since inception.

Investment advisors have said all along that if you want to save for major purchases such as a car or a house, you should build up conservative investments - low risk.

I hope you all did that during this unsustainable real estate bubble. I hope you all have the chance to save lots of $ in low risk funds the next few years.

Comment by FutureVulture
2007-07-27 09:45:03

I hope you all did that during this unsustainable real estate bubble.

Nope, I dollar cost averaged into real estate. Kiplinger’s magazine never said anything about any “unsustainable bubble”, so I sleep well at night.

Comment by spike66
2007-07-27 11:47:05

lol

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Comment by mathguy
2007-07-27 15:08:46

Cool, I can’t wait to get one of your foreclosures :)

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Comment by mrquoi
2007-07-27 12:22:35

I’m not all that excited about the contents of aazbx.

Comment by Bill in Phoenix
2007-07-27 16:30:14

Neither am I, but I am shifting into AAZAX in January, which is half the expense ratio of AAZBX.

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Comment by technovelist
2007-07-27 15:48:01

Agreed on the Permanent Portfolio fund. That’s a hard one to beat for safety with a pretty good return too. Unfortunately it isn’t available through my 401K or I would have a lot of it.

 
 
Comment by Hoz
2007-07-27 12:03:33

“In real markets, with real leverage, with real people motivated by fear and greed, with $415 Trillion or so in derivative values, and 3,000 hedge fund “masters of the universe” running rampant with real money, one should never be complacent.”
Jack Crooks

Comment by jungle_man
2007-07-27 16:03:23

Some in clandestine companies combine;
Erect new stocks to trade beyond the line;
With air and empty names beguile the town,
And raise new credits first, then cry ‘em down;
Divide the empty nothing into shares,
And set the crowd together by the ears.

—Defoe

 
 
 
Comment by michael f
2007-07-27 07:37:38

While looking for property in Mirasol in Palm Beach Gardens Fl I came across what could be a classic case of the wannabe/flipper real estate mogul.

I was looking at this house http://www.mirasolproperty.com/listing_sheet/R2791236 and searched the land records. This person purchased three houses in Mirasol.

Property 1
Purchased 7/04 for 541,714 1st Mortgage 333,000 5.25% 2nd Mort 199,000 (line of credit) Bank filed foreclosure notice July 19, 2007. Can’t find the listing but from similar houses probably trying to be sold for around $700,00 - $800,000.

Property 2
Purchased 7/06 for 928,132 1st Mortgage $742,505 fixed rate. Bank filed foreclosure notice July 19, 2007. Property was sold for $825,000 this week. Estimated loss after selling expenses at least $150,000 plus carrying costs for the last year.

Property 3 (see link link above)
Purchased 8/06 for $773,165 1st Mortgage $695,848 10 3/8% 2 year arm (can you say subprime). Mortgage payment is $7,000 per month, add in taxes, insurance, and HOA and is probably over $9,000 per month. Bank filed foreclosure notice July 19, 2007. Currently listed for $699,000.

He may get lucky and come out of this almost whole or at least a loss of less than $100,000 not including carrying costs if the first house sells for around $800,000 but I would not want to be in his shoes. I would not be able to sleep at night with that kind of debt.

I can’t believe the mortgage company made the third loan, that was a loan made that they knew had to default.

I wonder how many similar moguls are out there praying to get out before the bank takes them out.

 
Comment by Hoz
2007-07-27 07:53:05

Jim Rogers investment thoughts from yesterday.
Dump dollars and bonds

“China’s stock market will remain bullish for 80 years, fund manager and investment author Jim Rogers said at an exposition yesterday in Shanghai, the Shanghai Securities News reported.

Rogers, in a presentation at a conference, also reiterated his suggestion to dump dollars and bonds and stay invested in commodities.

China’s stock market is dangerously high but environmental protection, water, railways and renewable energy stocks are still worth holding, Rogers said.

To ride such a prominent China bull, Rogers said, investors nonetheless should be cautious after the country’s benchmark Shanghai composite index quadrupled over the past two years.

Rogers sees opportunities in Chinese companies involved in sectors such as environmental protection, water, green energy, railways and education, where the government and public are expected to spend a lot of money.

“I’m not selling my Chinese shares. As I said, I bought more of them last week. If the market triples again next year I would probably have to sell my Chinese shares,” said Rogers, who bought his first Chinese stocks in 1999.

Rogers, 64, urged investors to increase exposure to the Chinese currency, the yuan, and dump the US dollar, which he calls “a terribly flawed currency”.

“The yuan is going to be one of the strongest currencies for many years to come,” he said.”

China Daily
http://tinyurl.com/ytl865

Comment by scdave
2007-07-27 08:24:58

Jim Rogers is “suspiciously” gone from the Weekly morning program on FOX (Bulls & Bears I think)….He was a regular for a very long time and was consistently a contrarian to the cheerleaders there…I concluded that he just made “to much sense” and the buffoons on the program just could not hang with him so they don’t have him on the program anymore OR more likely, he does not want to be on the program anymore…..Its unfortunate for me because I watched the program for the opportunity to listen to him….

Comment by Paul in Jax
2007-07-27 08:55:56

He really knows China. I remember about four or five years ago when people were just starting to talk about the yuan removing its peg to the dollar and floating. Rogers unequivocally said both that it would happen but that it wouldn’t happen either that year or the next, but the following year and that once it started it would continue to go incrementally higher. It turned out to be uncannily accurate - he almost nailed the exact timing as well as the event. Very impressive. And he also turned bullish on commodities at almost precisely the right time.

He was too cautious on the U.S. market during the final throes of the tech melt-up, which cost him some of his following, but he has been one of the most creative and accurate forecasters since, although he doesn’t seem to really care about accolades much anymore.

What I get from him now is that much of the easily-accesible Chinese market is fully exploited but that there are still opportunities for the sophisticated investor, and also that the appreciation of the yuan has barely started. Yuan-$ parity by 2030?

 
 
 
Comment by Hoz
2007-07-27 08:05:28

Raytheon Company
Waltham, MA
Largo, FL
Raytheon Co. laid off 35 production workers at its Largo plant, effective today. A spokesman for the defense contractor said the cuts were triggered by production changes at the facility, which makes military communications equipment. Following the layoffs, Raytheon will have 710 employees in Largo and another 925 in St. Petersburg.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 1-50
Source: St. Petersburg Times - July 20, 2007

Ford Motor Company
Dearborn, MI
Windsor, ON
Ford Motor Company’s Essex Engine Plant is scheduled for closure Dec. 1 throwing 500 employees out of work and reducing the once-mighty automakers’ local workforce to less than 2,000. The closure, which the company said last year would come in the final quarter of this year, is part of a massive Ford restructuring effort which will see it reduce its workforce by between 25,000 and 30,000 employees through plant closures and layoffs. The plant was opened more than 25 years ago.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 101-500
Source: Windsor Star - July 25, 2007

General Motors Corporation
Detroit, MI
Pontiac, MI
General Motors Corp. will cut the number of pickup trucks it produces at its Pontiac, Mich., assembly plant and lay off an unspecified number of workers because of a slowing market. The move will take place starting in early September at the plant, which employs about 2,800 hourly workers. The number of workers who will be laid off has not been determined, but the plant’s assembly line speed will be reduced from 54.5 vehicles per hour to 45.
Approximate Affected Workforce: N/A
Source: The Atlanta Journal-Constitution - July 25, 2007

Arnold Worldwide Llc
Boston, MA
Boston advertising agency Arnold Worldwide is shutting down its corporate communications group and cutting about eight jobs. Yesterday the agency began informing current clients its public relations practice - which handles PR for Foley Hoag, USA Today and TA Associates - is being phased out and could be shut down in the next two months. The chief executive of Arnold confirmed the PR group was being closed. The PR group represents less than one half of 1 percent of Arnold’s business. The group primarily handles PR for companies that aren’t Arnold advertising clients. Earlier this year, the PR group had a major win when it became USA Today’s agency of record. But sources said USA Today recently informed Arnold it was going to scale back the account. That came on top of the loss of athletic apparel client Under Armour last month. With those losses, Arnold’s management decided it was time to dismantle the group and its small staff.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 1-50
Source: The Boston Herald - July 21, 2007

Cleveland Athletic Club
Cleveland, OH
The Cleveland Athletic Club announced Monday that it will discontinue its food service until October as a result of money troubles, laying off several employees. The decision came about two weeks after an annual member meeting July 9 at which the Board of Directors recommended the club file for bankruptcy. The food service will be discontinued Aug. 1 in an attempt to reduce payroll and utility cost. The club’s food service is losing money. Revenue from catering this year has been significantly lower than in past years.
Approximate Affected Workforce: N/A
Source: Plain Dealer - July 24, 2007

First Data Corporation
Englewood, CO
Tulsa, OK
First Data Corp. plans to close its Tulsa call center, which employs 400 people, by the end of December. First Data said it would be making cuts because a major client — financial services provider USAA — wouldn’t be renewing its contract for services at the Tulsa center. Also, the company’s lease of the facility expires at the end of December. First Data’s Tulsa center handles credit card customer calls for banks and financial institutions.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 101-500
Source: Tulsa World - July 26, 2007

Raymow Enterprises
Oldsmar, FL
The drop has pulled the rug out from under rug sellers … and landscapers, appliance dealers, plumbers and others. As one of the Tampa Bay area’s largest landscaping companies, Raymow thrived servicing new home buyers of companies such as Standard-Pacific and Transeastern homes. Now Standard Pacific’s Florida sales are in retreat. Transeastern has tanked and its corporate name will vanish under new ownership. Housing’s economic ripple has rolled over Raymow. The Oldsmar company projects $5-million less in sales than originally forecast and has laid off about 100 of 320 employees.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 51-100
Source: St. Petersburg Times - July 22, 2007

Standard Register Company
Dayton, OH
Standard Register Co. announced Friday it eliminated 250 positions in management and overhead. Standard Register said it cut the jobs as part of its overall plan to reduce its annual operating costs by $40 million. The Dayton-based company provides document-management services to the health care, financial services, manufacturing and other industries. It employs about 3,700 people overall and 550 locally.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 101-500
Source: Dayton Business Journal - July 20, 2007

IndyMac Bancorp Inc.
Pasadena, CA
In the face of an increasingly tough mortgage market, IndyMac Bancorp. announced Thursday it is laying off about 400 employees, roughly 4 percent of its total work force. Most of the layoffs will become effective immediately, a company official said. Pasadena-based IndyMac will still employ 9,200 workers. Industry loan volumes and profit margins continue to be under pressure, the president said, and IndyMac’s dollar loan volume was down 12 percent in the second quarter compared with the same period a year earlier. The impacted employees include both management and staff.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 101-500
Source: Pasadena Star-News - July 20, 2007

Wells Fargo & Company
San Francisco, CA
Baton Rouge, LA
Des Moines, IA
Wells Fargo & Co. is shutting down its subprime mortgage loan unit, the bank’s mortgage division said Thursday. San Francisco-based Wells Fargo said the collapsing subprime market is not worth the risk. Wells Fargo will close its offices in Baton Rouge, La. and Des Moines, Iowa. It will try to find jobs for the 237 workers who will be laid off.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 101-500
Source: Sacramento Business Journal - July 26, 2007

Cargill Inc.
Wayzata, MN
Guelph, ON
More than one-quarter of Better Beef’s employees will be out of work by the end of this week. Cargill Ltd., which bought the Guelph plant about two years ago, announced yesterday it is cutting about 300 positions, trimming its workforce from about 1,100 staff to 800. The cuts, which take effect Saturday, will be achieved by eliminating an afternoon shift in the cutting room, and reducing the number of cattle killed daily from 1,700 to 1,400. The layoffs are “the culmination of a couple of variables.” These include the “lingering impact” of the mad cow crisis — after bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), known as mad cow disease, was found in an Alberta heifer more than four years ago — and prices being driven down by a strong Canadian dollar. Better Beef was purchased in the summer of 2005 by Cargill Ltd., the Canadian subsidiary of international meat processing giant Cargill Inc.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 101-500
Source: Guelph Mercury - July 24, 2007

Kellogg Company
Battle Creek, MI
Kellogg Co. will lay off about 300 employees as part of a reorganization of its direct store-door delivery operations in the Southeast. Kellogg said it has notified the affected employees. Under the reorganization plan, Kellogg said it has extended offers to exit 517 distribution route franchise agreements with independent contractors. The company said it will incur total charges between $75 million and $85 million for exiting the agreements and severance costs.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 101-500
Source: FinancialWire - July 20, 2007

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Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2007-07-27 08:42:34

Cleveland Athletic Club
Cleveland, OH

Well, at least Drew Carey’s got a new job! Good bye Cleveland, hello Bollywood.

 
Comment by mrquoi
2007-07-27 12:53:32

While there are still plenty of jobs to be had in biotech/pharma in San Diego things seem to be slowing down again the same as they did around 2002. The numbers of listings is shrinking and the pool for each applicant is greater though the quality sure isn’t there.

But that might just be the instability inherent to biotech which I hate as my family has been through a cumulative three layoffs and two company-renaming/repurposings. Oooh, this week we’re curing cancer, next week we will develop drugs in plants and fight bioterrorism, now we’re biofuels!

I gotta get a gubmint job. Oh wait. SD gubmint is broke.

 
 
Comment by Hoz
2007-07-27 08:08:55

Boston Scientific Corporation
Natick, MA
Troubling revenue trends at Boston Scientific will force a reduction in expenses and head count, a company official said Friday. Boston Scientific is based in Natick, Mass. The company’s chief financial officer, said Friday morning during a conference call with investors that Boston Scientific’s plans will let the company enter 2008 with a lighter expense load. Sales of implantable defibrillators and drug-coated stents - the company’s top two products, were down during the quarter that ended in June. Sales have been hurt by a series of product recalls dating back to 2005.
Approximate Affected Workforce: N/A
Source: St. Paul Pioneer Press - July 20, 2007

CCS Medical Inc.
Clearwater, FL
New Albany, OH
A Florida company that sells home health-care supplies for diabetes and other medical conditions has told Ohio it is closing its New Albany office, cutting 67 jobs. CCS Medical is in the final stages of consolidating operations in Clearwater, Fla., following a merger two years ago with MP TotalCare Supply Inc.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 51-100
Source: Columbus Business First - July 26, 2007

Swedish Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Swedish Medical Center recently announced that it is closing its Sleep Medicine Institute, although the practice itself will be continued by a private physicians group. That will result in a reduction of 75 positions; meanwhile, the hospital has said it expects to reduce employment (7,331 at the end of 2006) by about 200 full-time-equivalent positions this year through layoffs, reassignments and early retirements, because patient volumes are below projections.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 101-500
Source: THE SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER - July 25, 2007

Automatic Data Processing Inc.
Roseland, NJ
San Bernardino, CA
The maker of TurboTax, Quicken and other finance software is phasing out its San Bernardino office over the next eight months, eliminating 84 jobs in the process. The closure stems from a deal announced in February between Mountain View accounting and finance software developer Intuit Inc. and payroll processing firm ADP Employer Services, a division of Automatic Data Processing Inc. in Roseland, N.J. ADP is acquiring 25,000 Intuit business customers who outsource payroll tasks to third-party providers. The acqusition includes customers of Intuit Payroll Services in San Bernardino, an operation that dates to 1966.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 51-100
Source: Business Press - July 23, 2007

Foldera Inc.
Huntington Beach, CA
FolderaTM, Inc., the next-generation Information Organizer and Collaboration service, today announced it has reduced its workforce from 47 to 23 employees as part of an overall strategy to substantially reduce costs until the company obtains meaningful revenue. FolderaTM is the secure and easy-to-use service that instantly organizes workflow. Foldera combines web-based email, a file manager, a task manager, a calendar, a contact manager, and sharable folders into a unified productivity suite, available with a single login from any web browser. Foldera also has the unique ability to instantly sort and file your sent and incoming email, files, tasks, and events into folders, on a project-by-project basis, chronologically and in real time.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 1-50
Source: Business Wire - July 23, 2007

Intel Corporation
Santa Clara, CA
Rio Rancho, NM
Intel Corp. will notify more than 1,000 employees that their jobs will be terminated beginning Monday. The previously announced work force reduction comes as Intel ramps down production next month, which makes older, simpler computer components using 200-millimeter silicon wafers. The job cuts will bring the total staff at Intel’s Rio Rancho plant to below 4,000 employees. Intel currently employs 4,700 at the site.
Approximate Affected Workforce: over 1000
Source: Albuquerque Journal - July 26, 2007

LSI Corporation
Milpitas, CA
Wichita, KS
LSI Corp. on Wednesday projected a third-quarter loss and said it will eliminate about 2,100 production jobs, as the chipmaker works to improve operational efficiencies. LSI has agreed to sell an assembly and test operations facility in Thailand for $100 million to STATS ChipPAC Ltd. and will transfer similar functions performed at its facilities in Singapore and Wichita, Kansas to current contract manufacturing partners. The moves will result in the loss of 2,100 jobs and reduce annual capital costs by $20 million to $25 million starting in 2008, LSI said.
Approximate Affected Workforce: over 1000
Source: Associated Press Financial Wire - July 25, 2007

Mediware Information Systems Inc.
Shawnee Mission, KS
Scotts Valley, CA
Mediware Information Systems Inc. laid off about 20 employees Friday, including a small number in its Lenexa headquarters office. Most of the cuts occurred in California, where Mediware closed an office. The cuts largely affected the company’s surgery division and completed the consolidation of three business units into a single entity. Mediware had nearly 200 employees, including about 50 in Lenexa, before the latest cuts.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 1-50
Source: The Kansas City Star - July 24, 2007

U-Tech Media USA LLC
San Jose, CA
Ontario, CA
An Ontario CD and DVD replicating and packaging company laid off 80 people this month as it moves in with its sister operation in San Jose. U-Tech Media USA is consolidating the two plants. The Ontario firm will lay off 80 professional staff, warehouse and clerical workers by July 11.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 51-100
Source: Business Press - July 23, 2007

Brunswick Corporation
Lake Forest, IL
Fond du Lac, WI
Brunswick Corp., the parent company of the Mercury Marine engine group in Fond du Lac, on Friday said it will trim production of marine engines and recreational boats and lay off staff due to a weak demand for its products. The recreational boating industry in the United States has been caught in a prolonged cyclical downturn. Steep gasoline prices and the consumer fallout from a weakening housing market recently have added to the difficulties.
Approximate Affected Workforce: N/A
Source: The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel - July 21, 2007

Ice Industries Inc.
Sylvania, OH
Toledo, OH
Word spread quickly among Acklin Stamping Co. workers Friday. The company was preparing to cart away much of the Toledo factory’s heavy machinery — and a majority of its jobs. Company officials said the longtime Toledo operation will remain open, but they conceded yesterday that the workforce will be cut significantly. The factory, owned by Ice Industries Inc., of Sylvania, produces housings for air conditioners, compressors, and small motors. The work is being transferred to a company plant in Grenada, Miss., to bring it closer to the firm’s customers, most of whom are in Alabama and Mississippi. Plant officials have said that 53 or 54 workers will be laid off, leaving just 24 hourly workers. Company officials said they didn’t provide a longer warning because of fears of sabotage.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 51-100
Source: The Blade - July 24, 2007

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Comment by Hoz
2007-07-27 08:14:05

ohn Maneely Company
Sharon, PA
Little Rock, AR
A maker of sprinkler tube and electric conduit has announced it will shut down production at its Little Rock plant, laying off most of its 145 workers. Wheatland Tube Co. said Wednesday it would close its manufacturing facility by the end of September. The company says competition from imports from China and a pair of recent mergers are behind the move. Wheatland, which is a division of Cleveland-based John Maneely Co., merged last year with Atlas Tube Co. And John Maneely acquired another manufacturer, Sharon Tube Co., earlier this year. The company is consolidating its steel-tube manufacturing operations and cutting costs by reducing unnecessary capacity. More steel tubing is being imported, and that is putting more price pressure on domestic manufacturers.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 101-500
Source: The Associated Press State & Local Wire - July 25, 2007

Koolatron Corporation
Brantford, ON
Koolatron is laying off up to 20 workers starting today, about four months after getting a $2.34-million provincial loan meant to safeguard jobs at the cooler manufacturer. Workers have been told that the company lost a contract to supply coolers to Canadian Tire, which is instead turning to China for its products.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 1-50
Source: Brantford Expositor - July 20, 2007

Mowhawk Industries Inc.
Calhoun, GA
Eden, NC
Karastan announced 47 layoffs from its rug manufacturing division this week. The director of manufacturing said that about 550 employees will remain at the plant. Rug manufacturing is being reduced because of a sluggish housing market leading to reduced sales of home furnishings. The layoffs were announced Monday and will occur over three to four weeks. Some rugs will still be made there, but on a reduced basis. Commercial and residential carpet manufacturing will continue at the Eden plant. Karastan is owned by Mowhawk Industries, based in Calhoun, Ga.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 1-50
Source: News & Record - July 25, 2007

Pitney Bowes Inc.
Stamford, CT
Danbury, CT
Pitney Bowes plans to lay off 96 employees in Danbury. The layoffs are part of a larger initiative through which the company is out-sourcing its internal information technology work, a spokesman said. These jobs support the company’s internal voice and data networks, servers and other technology needs. The company is not closing its Danbury site, which is the factory and design center where it makes high-end production mail equipment. This equipment is mainly used by financial, insurance and health care companies to cut, fold, insert and meter mailings such as bank and insurance statements. The layoffs are effective Sept. 20, 2007. The company has about 4,000 workers in Connecticut, about 650 work in Danbury.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 51-100
Source: Connecticut Post Online - July 20, 2007

Proliance International Inc.
New Haven, CT
Proliance International’s president and CEO said that preliminary results in the second quarter show lower sales due to the late arrival of seasonal business activity. The company anticipates a 2007 net loss of between $12M-$17M and restructuring expenses of $5M-$7M. The company will cut its U.S. workforce by approximately 15%.
Approximate Affected Workforce: N/A
Source: Theflyonthewall.com - July 25, 2007

Raydon Corporation
Daytona Beach, FL
Raydon Corp., a top U.S. military supplier for virtual reality training gear, has laid off 95 workers. The cuts amounted to about a third of the company’s work force. Raydon chief executive said it was necessary because the company grew quickly, and inefficiently, from 2004 to 2006. It went from total revenue of $19 million to $45 million. The cuts were planned for some time, and supposed to happen in September. Delays in government funds forced Raydon to make them now.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 51-100
Source: The Associated Press State & Local Wire - July 26, 2007

TI Automotive
Oxford, UK
Hebron, OH
TI Automotive Systems will close its Hebron plant, cutting nearly 200 jobs. The layoffs will begin in the final three months of 2007, with the plant slated to close around the end of next July. No reasons were given for the closing. TI Automotive is based in the United Kingdom and has more than 16,000 employees in 27 countries. Its U.S. operations make fuel-storage and delivery systems, including plastic fuel tanks and electric fuel pumps; the U.S. headquarters is in Warren, Mich. Of the 195 affected workers in Hebron, 182 work in production.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 101-500
Source: The Columbus Dispatch - July 21, 2007

Royal Ontario Museum
Toronto, ON
Depending on how you look at it, the newly reopened Royal Ontario Museum is either half empty or half full. The Toronto museum said attendance is 50 per cent higher than average for this time last year. But at least 24 summer workers were recently laid off. Some of these workers said they were told to expect 10,000 visitors a day.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 1-50
Source: The Globe and Mail - July 25, 2007

The American Red Cross of Greater Idaho
Boise, ID
Between July 1, 2005, and June 30, 2006, almost 200 Idaho families lost their homes to disasters — almost 200 families that may have children, jobs, pets and homes full of memories. The American Red Cross of Greater Idaho was there to help. The heads of the state chapter say the Red Cross will still be there to help — only now it’ll be with half the paid staff members, the latest cut in an effort to eliminate yearly shortfalls of up to about $700,000. There are overhead costs, such as renting office space and paid administrative workers. The costs eventually became too much for the Idaho Red Cross. To better meet the donations, the organization has trimmed more than $1 million annually in program expenses since 2001, mostly by cutting paid positions. The chief executive officer for the Idaho Red Cross recently announced cutting 10 paid positions from the state chapter.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 1-50
Source: Times-News - July 23, 2007

Aspreva Pharmaceutical Corporation
Victoria, BC
British Columbia-based Aspreva Pharmaceutical Corporation said Wednesday it will cut 33 jobs, and replace its chief scientific officer, as part of a restructuring plan. The move comes after a June announcement that an experimental lupus drug in a late-stage trial failed to meet objectives. The job cuts account for 25 percent of the Aspreva’s total workforce.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 1-50
Source: The Associated Press - July 25, 2007

Bristol-Myers Squibb Company
New York, NY
Bristol-Myers Squibb Co. on Thursday reported 5.8% higher second-quarter earnings, but revenue was flat due to competitive pressure from generics on two key products, Pravachol and Plavix. Despite the competitive pressure, the New York drugmaker raised its 2007 financial forecast, citing anticipated strong sales for some newer products as well as continued emphasis on cost controls and a gain expected from the sale of certain assets. The proposed cost controls “will include workforce reductions in some areas and the rationalization of some facilities,” the Chief Executive said in a statement.
Approximate Affected Workforce: N/A
Source: MarketWatch - July 26, 2007

Hollis-Eden Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
San Diego, CA
Hollis-Eden Pharmaceuticals, Inc. announced a restructuring designed to tightly focus the Company’s future strategic direction on development of its proprietary class of adrenal steroid hormones in the therapeutic areas of metabolic disorders, autoimmune and other inflammatory conditions, and hormone sensitive cancers. Consistent with this focus, the Company’s primary development efforts will be on clinical drug candidates HE3286 and HE3235, as well as follow-on compounds that may offer benefits in these therapeutic areas. With the Company’s recent decision to discontinue investment in products for biodefense, Hollis-Eden is also reducing its headcount by 25% to effectively reduce its overall cash usage to an estimated $10-$12 million for the second half of 2007.
Approximate Affected Workforce: N/A
Source: Pharma Investments, Ventures & Law Weekly - July 22, 2007

Nabi Biopharmaceuticals
Boca Raton, FL
Rockville, MD
Nabi Biopharmaceuticals today announced that it has created the second of its two planned strategic business units (SBU), Nabi Pharmaceuticals. Nabi Pharmaceuticals is responsible for the NicVAX(R) (Nicotine Conjugate Vaccine) and StaphVAX(R) (Staphylococcus aureus Polysaccharide Conjugate Vaccine) development programs, as well as for the continuing milestone-related development obligations following the sale of PhosLo(R) (calcium acetate). In connection with the reorganization required to support the business strategy of the new SBU, the company eliminated 33 positions in its Rockville, Maryland research and development facility. This reduction - approximately 5 percent of the company’s total current workforce - is expected to yield approximately $3.3 million in savings on an annualized basis. Nabi Biopharmaceuticals leverages its experience and knowledge in powering the immune system to develop and market products that fight serious medical conditions.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 1-50
Source: PR Newswire - July 20, 2007

AT&T Inc.
San Antonio, TX
Independence, MO
Milwaukee, WI
In the 1980s, hundreds of people worked in the area as AT&T long-distance operators. Fewer than 40 remain, and those jobs will be eliminated next month. AT&T Inc. has said that it will be closing its Independence office by Sept. 5. The office has 36 hourly employees, including 32 operators. AT&T has been reducing its operator work force for years as technology has reduced call volumes. AT&T also plans to close a service center in Milwaukee this fall, eliminating 103 jobs. The company will shut its service center for industry markets because it handles calls from a shrinking segment of its business - line sharing with other telephone service providers, said an AT&T spokesman.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 101-500
Source: The Kansas City Star - July 24, 2007

Citizens Communications Company
Stamford, CT
Rochester, NY
Telecommunication services provider Citizens Communications Co. said Tuesday in a regulatory filing it will close its Rochester, N.Y., residential call center and credit and collections center, potentially cutting the jobs of more than 100 employees. The Stamford, Conn.-based company said it is unable to estimate the third-quarter charges it will incur because of these actions.
Approximate Affected Workforce: 101-500
Source: The Associated Press - July 24, 2007

Comment by Muggy
2007-07-27 08:50:50

Hoz could go… all… the… way… AND HE DOES!

Don’t worry about Rochester, NY. Those Telecom workers have plenty of other dead-end options to chose from.

 
Comment by lunarpark
2007-07-27 09:44:25

Hoz,

Thanks for posting these.

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2007-07-27 08:46:11

Platinum is getting hammered, -$40.00

Japanese are heavily into Pt, maybe a bit of quick cashing out money is fueling it down?

Gold is off just a few bux.

Comment by not a gator
2007-07-27 15:33:32

Weird. I thought it would be taking a relative bath. Margin calls and all that rot.

It did go down when the bond market got hammered. Maybe the banks sell gold to cover bond market losses, while retail investors losing money on stocks don’t have gold to sell?

 
 
Comment by P'cola Popper
2007-07-27 08:58:13

I think if we end down triple figures today then its “Game Over” next Monday or Tuesday. If we end down in double digits I give it a 50/50.

I am experiencing deja vu with the Russian financial crisis and the events leading up to the meltdown on August 17th 1998.

Comment by sohonyc
2007-07-27 09:14:00

The question is, is more liquidity being injected into the market to save it (despite what the claims are)? Will the powers that be really allow the pond to be drained. Contractions are incredibly painful things. If the contagion to “prime” is bad enough… contracting the money supply could be a very dangerous game. Bernanke is a student of the Great Depression — he knows well that the Fed contracted when it should have expanded… Is it “different now”?

Comment by Hoz
2007-07-27 09:45:09

Just a minor thought, the money supply cannot expand - no matter how much the fed would like to expand - because there are no qualified borrowers. Neither private individuals looking to buy a house nor corporations looking to survive have the balance sheets to support additional debt. And as has been reported for the last 12 months, companies have not been investing in new equipment or replacement equipment, companies have been borrowing to do share buybacks. Historically this is not a good thing.

Comment by Justin
2007-07-27 10:03:37

This is a really interesting comment. If they will have little power to expand the money supply via extending credit, and the current system runs in a Ponzi-like fashion whereby credit must always grow or the system will implode, it seems like we will have an impending implosion on our hands.

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Comment by FutureVulture
2007-07-27 10:04:40

I partly agree, Hoz, but why does the Fed need a qualified borrower? Why for example can’t they just lend gobs of money to the gov’t, which uses it to prop things up as it sees fit? The problem as I see it is that even though they’ll try this, they’ll be fighting the contraction of private credit (due to the reason you gave) along the way, and will probably be behind the curve.

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Comment by Hoz
2007-07-27 11:03:25

When the Federal Government spends money, it generates $0.50 of GDP for every dollar it spends. To have a meaningful impact on the economy the government would have to spend another $1T. The Federal Government has a lot of debt from a couple of decades of free spending. There are peoples that will continue to trust the Federal Government, but should the government try to borrow more than the 2.7B it needs every day. Who will loan it to them?

 
 
 
 
Comment by Justin
2007-07-27 09:14:22

Except people made these same predictions in February when the market dropped 400 points. And then, you know, the market jumped only another 2000 points.

Please stop trying to predict the day to day stock market activity. It’s embarrassing.

Comment by P'cola Popper
2007-07-27 09:19:46

There wasn’t a credit crisis unfolding in the US and globally last February. Yeah, my porfolio is getting pretty embarrasing these days. How’s yours?

 
Comment by JimmyB
2007-07-27 09:20:09

“It’s embarrassing.”

That’s funny. Perfect comment.

 
Comment by txchick57
2007-07-27 09:29:39

I have a better idea. Buzz off.

Comment by Justin
2007-07-27 10:02:46

I wanted to leave your name out of it, but you’re the most embarrassing of the lot. Please stop your inane daily market predictions. They’re inevitably wrong.

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Comment by txchick57
2007-07-27 10:26:35

How old are you, 11?

 
Comment by cmhappyrenter
2007-07-27 12:30:48

I’m all for getting other’s opinions. It always boils down to hitting that transaction button anyway and that is an individual thing. My portfolios? What was that talk about Joshua trees and self insertion?

 
Comment by Justin
2007-07-27 12:41:43

txchick57 = Worst. Day Trader. Ever.

 
Comment by not a gator
2007-07-27 14:19:14

Yep. 11.

 
 
 
 
Comment by txchick57
2007-07-27 09:19:28

There is a confluence of trendlines just below us here 1450/1455. That should tell the story. I have a buy at 1455 with about an 8 point stop.

Comment by P'cola Popper
2007-07-27 09:35:08

Probably need a body to float up to break through the 1450/1455 support however there seems to be a high probability of that happening.

Comment by txchick57
2007-07-27 09:41:50

We’re in long half way right here. Trying for 1460-1455 for the rest.

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Comment by txchick57
2007-07-27 09:43:58

this looks a lot like the lows on the second leg down in March. A lot.

 
Comment by P'cola Popper
2007-07-27 09:50:06

I missed out on the big drop earlier this year other than a couple of putz that I left on (with stops) as I was skiing in Austria at the end of February and beginning of March.

 
Comment by txchick57
2007-07-27 10:23:59

and thank you very much. Cha ching.

Back to the batcave to wait for another gimme.

 
Comment by P'cola Popper
2007-07-27 10:31:37

Good call.

Thanks for your brokerage recommendations earlier this year. Picked one of them up and very satisfied. Excellent order execution, great platform, and excellent access.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2007-07-27 09:24:23

Krakatoa, east of Jersey

Comment by aladinsane
2007-07-27 09:45:35

My bad…

Crackatoa, east of ‘Jersey

 
 
Comment by Liz from Boston
2007-07-27 09:35:08

Salon.com has an interiew with a woman who spent a year as a flipper and real-estate broker. She recently wrote a book about it.

Comment by Chip
2007-07-27 18:13:38

Liz — I don’t know — do you think she’s worth reading?

“Newbie home flipper and broker Alison Rogers talks about bad agents, selling schemes and why it’s impossible to predict the housing market.”

Most of us here don’t believe it is anywhere near impossible to predict the housing market. We just predicted it to go waaay down and the rest of the world didn’t want to hear about it.

 
 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-27 09:36:54

Has something gone haywire with Fannie Mae’s plunge protection mechanism? I thunk they were riding to the rescue of subprime, but now it appears they are falling victim to the scourge.

Fannie, Freddie seen facing subprime losses
But they’re positioned well to weather mortgage storm, Citigroup says
;-)
By Alistair Barr, MarketWatch
Last Update: 12:26 PM ET Jul 27, 2007

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac could have $4.7 billion in unrealized losses from the deterioration in subprime mortgages, Citigroup’s fixed-income strategy team estimated on Friday.
The bank’s strategists said that probably won’t be a big problem and argued that recent moves in the credit-derivatives market suggesting Fannie (FNM :Last: 58.04-3.06-5.01% 12:13pm 07/27/2007) and Freddie (FRE :Last: 57.96-1.43-2.41% 12:13pm 07/27/2007) are more risky have been overdone. ;-)

The estimated $4.7 billion in losses represent about 6% of the equity capital of the government-sponsored mortgage-finance giants, the strategists noted, adding that Fannie and Freddie’s retained portfolios contain roughly $182 billion of subprime bonds, most of which are rated AAA.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/fannie-freddie-face-47-billion/story.aspx?guid=%7B039A6514%2D2144%2D4BC7%2DB9F6%2D8573CC3699ED%7D

Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-27 09:38:47

“Fannie and Freddie’s retained portfolios contain roughly $182 billion of subprime bonds, most of which are rated AAA.”

Have S&P’s and Moody’s recently confirmed these AAA rating, or is this opinion based on pre-ratings-retrenchment data?

Comment by Joe
2007-07-27 10:23:00

GetStucco does it really matter, I think everyone who’s in the know, now realizes that agency ratings are meaningless, otherwise Bear Sterns would not be 10 billion down.

AAA ratings for MBS backed CDOs w/ sub-prime slime are just a ploy to market a pig’s ear as a silk purse, its still just a pig’s ear.

Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-27 10:35:18

If it doesn’t matter, then why not just unload those assets at fire sale prices? Or do subprime MBS always go up, just like real estate?

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Comment by Joe
2007-07-28 07:52:32

My God you want the free market to establish the price for these bonds. If that were to happen then the whole gig would be up and everything would collapse!!

My reference that it doe snot matter is focused on the ratings, you wanted to know what the rating agencies have done. My response is that its irrelevant, the AAA CDO backed by MBS is all just smoke and mirrors and meaningless no matter what the rating agencies say the value is. Remember REAL money has already exchanged hands to purchase these overpriced assets (the homes). The value of the homes have gone down, everyone now knows that no matter what tranche they are in its sub prime slime and all you are going to get is the expenses of foreclosure, the firesale price of the asset that will not cover the balance of the loan and a judgment against the debtor who will be judgment proof becuase guess what their cridt score sucked in the first place!!

Everyone knew from top to bottom that these loans were not going to be paid back and that the only money to be made was in the fees generated by the transactions that would end w/ the bag holder being the investors in AAA CDOs backed by MBSs backed by Sub-prime loans backed by over-valued realty assets!!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2007-07-27 09:41:52

I like how Gold closes 2 1/2 hours ahead of Wall Street…

Gigantic aftermarket swings are made of days like this~

Comment by Hoz
2007-07-27 13:10:06

Enjoy your weekend.

Comment by aladinsane
2007-07-27 14:15:37

Thanks~

You do the same…

 
 
 
Comment by chilipepr
2007-07-27 12:14:07

http://www.boston.com/business/markets/articles/2007/07/27/all_business_mortgage_woes_no_surprise/

NEW YORK –Century 21 Real Estate’s CEO Thomas Kunz may have unintentionally hit the nail on the head when he declared that a “pity party” is gripping the housing industry right now.

Many recent home buyers are expressing shock that their properties may be worth a lot less than when they bought them. CEOs like Countrywide Financial Corp.’s Angelo Mozilo are claiming that “nobody saw” the deterioration of real estate values coming, and are pointing fingers at others for causing this mess. And Wall Street seems to only now be waking up to the implications of mortgage securities imploding.

They all need an education in how markets work. In a perfect world, everyone keeps making money on their investments because values never drop. This is the real world. Things just don’t work that way.

Comment by arroyogrande
2007-07-27 12:30:26

The article is titled “ALL BUSINESS: Mortgage woes no surprise”, by Rachel Beck, AP Business Writer.

OK, which one of you bubblistas is Rachel Beck, and don’t you fear getting run out of the Business Writer “club” for questioning the professionally spewed dogma: “NO ONE saw this coming.”

 
 
Comment by txchick57
2007-07-27 12:52:27

Yikes! El bottomo fell out-o! Grab your crash helmet!

;)

Comment by P'cola Popper
2007-07-27 13:03:29

Damn that was nasty!

Cramer hung his people out to dry today. Unreal. Bush, Hank and the three amigos, Kramer invoking a “whoosh” up to close which was credited to Kaas per Kramer and we still ended down over 200 pts with a run for the exits at the close.

What a day!!

Comment by txchick57
2007-07-27 13:08:11

I am long a tiny S&P long position at the close at 1460. Small enough it could go to zero and I wouldn’t care.

 
Comment by Chip
2007-07-27 18:19:58

I’ve watched Cramer only two or three times previously, so know little about him other than what I read here. On this evening’s show, it seemed to me he was taking his lumps like a man and fessed up to a number of pretty bad calls — though he also seemed baffled by it all. Did not watch the entire show — it reminds me of being trapped in an airport lounge with too many rugrats.

 
 
Comment by Hoz
2007-07-27 13:13:34

I tried to tell you yesterday Tx, this is a twice in my lifetime market. Like all good bear markets,until the panic has set in, keep selling. The first panic occurred at 3:35 today. a minor panic….Monday will be interesting.

Comment by txchick57
2007-07-27 13:19:18

I scalped 5K on the long side today! LOL.

Knew enough to get out though . . .

Comment by Hoz
2007-07-27 14:44:20

Obviously we have all seen the market reverse, and maybe Monday will be a reversal and I will be writing that I should have listened to you. I am very happy for the last 2 weeks. Past history would indicate that if you are not currently short, it will be very difficult to get short at decent prices.

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Comment by FutureVulture
2007-07-27 16:03:28

Hoz, was that you who posted the “Short Every Uptick” song? I’ve got that thing running through my head all day now, dammit :-)

Comment by Hoz
2007-07-27 17:57:23

Yes.

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Comment by bk
2007-07-27 13:24:32

What a week! The dow had it’s worst week in 5 years.

This thing seems to be unwinding much more swiftly than I ever thought. I wasn’t expecting commercial credit to lock up over night like this. It’s even nastier than I thought it would be.

Anyone else losing interest in this topic now that what we’ve all been predicting has come to pass?

Comment by Schnooks
2007-07-27 13:31:37

Yeah, losing interest. But that doesn’t last. I see all of us sitting in our new houses in a couplea years in our lazyboys saying “ahhh finally” while having housing bubble blog withdrawal convulsions.

 
Comment by Chip
2007-07-27 18:25:24

“Anyone else losing interest in this topic now that what we’ve all been predicting has come to pass?”

Nope. Unless you’ve been a long-time lurker, you do not seem to have been active on this blog long enough to become bored with it — unless you either are gifted with far more knowledge than the rest of us or had a far lower initial-to-mid-term interest in the subject. Anyway, no, I haven’t lost any interest and I continue to learn something useful every time I read it.

 
 
Comment by bublicious
2007-07-27 14:44:15

Fear and loathing in the stock market — what was with the 3:45 selloff?

Comment by Hoz
2007-07-27 19:14:31

Bottom pickers expecting a bounce - nobody left to buy.

 
Comment by Former FB
2007-07-27 20:03:30

Whenever I make a change in my 401(k), it doesn’t actually happen until the end of the trading day…any chance a LOT of people had made significant 401(k) changes in the previous 24 hours?

 
 
Comment by AdamInToronto
2007-07-27 16:14:20

Realtors camping out over 24 hours for Condos in Toronto:

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/240381

I would like to see a follow up story on these clowns when this project opens in 2010.

 
Comment by Orlando Native
2007-07-27 19:05:33

test

 
Comment by WatchingTheSagaUnfold
2007-07-28 00:05:26

Thank you Wall Street. May I have another?

 
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