July 28, 2007

Speculators Are Now Feeling The Burn

The Ledger reports from Florida. “Polk County’s existing home sales dropped for the 13th consecutive month. June’s total fell nearly 40 percent from 554 in June 2006 to 333. It is the county’s longest sales drought since The Ledger began tracking home sales in 1994. ‘There’s just so much more to pick from,’ said Linda Jackson, a Realtor in Lakeland.”

“It is estimated that local builders have an inventory of about 5,000 new homes. Median home prices suffered along with sales last month. For Polk, prices dropped 5 percent from $183,900 in June 2006 to $175,300 last month.”

The Orlando Sentinel from Florida. “The number of individuals and families moving into new homes in Orlando-area subdivisions plunged 26 percent during the second quarter, and home builders continued to slam on the brakes.”

“And despite efforts by builders to entice buyers with discounts and deals, more than 5,600 new homes still sit empty in the Orlando area, a research company reported.”

“‘The Orlando MSA [metropolitan statistical area] is experiencing the same problems many Florida markets are experiencing, large new- and existing-home inventories,’ said Anthony Crocco, director of Metrostudy’s Central and Northeast Florida divisions. ‘The high percentage of finished, vacant inventory remains a major concern.’”

The Palm Beach Post from Florida. “Lenders once eager to extend credit are seeing mortgage defaults pile up and are tightening loan standards in response. That has kept people from moving into vacant homes - and there are lots and lots of vacant homes. In St. Lucie County alone, according to Metrostudy, 1,368 finished homes stand empty.”

“At the annual rate of buyer move-ins, it would take 9.5 months before St. Lucie would fill its roof-and-mortar inventory. Yet during the second quarter, builders started work on another 205 homes.”

“Not everyone is optimistic. Centex recently opted out of a planned 800-acre, 1,650-home development in Martin County. Developers in Palm Beach County also are building less. The second quarter’s 423 new housing starts represent a 71.8 percent decrease from the second quarter of 2006.”

“The pool of available buyers also is drying up: 1,143 buyers moved in during the second quarter of this year, down 29.6 percent compared with the second quarter of 2006.”

From TC Palm in Florida. “A glut of new but vacant homes continues to dominate the landscape of the central and northern portions of the Treasure Coast, a housing report suggested.”

“Metrostudy reported 2,391 homes were completed in St. Lucie and Indian River counties during the past three months, and they still have no occupants. At the current pace of people buying homes and moving in, it should take about nine months to fill the St. Lucie County inventory and 13 months in Indian River County, according to Metrostudy.”

“Jack McCabe, CEO of McCabe Research and Consulting, said subdivisions with an overabundance of vacant new homes and ‘For Rent’ signs may be deterring renters from becoming home buyers, further pushing up local inventory levels.”

“‘Some of the homes are sitting out there with weeds, without air-conditioning, maybe even growing some mold,’ McCabe said. ‘If I am buying a house, I want to buy in the community with swing sets and bicycles on the street, not where it’s empty and I’d be taking a risk.’”

“Don Santos, past president of the Treasure Coast Builders Association, wasn’t surprised at the statistics in the report. ‘Unfortunately these are a high count, which reinforces the fact that builders overbuilt inventory,’ Santos said. ‘But there’s never been a better time to buy.’”

The Miami Herald from Florida. “Ocean Bank, the largest commercial bank chartered in Florida, lost $33.7 million in the second quarter after taking losses on real estate loans that had gone bad. The red ink at Ocean Bank was a further sign that Florida’s real estate problems have begun to spill over into the rest of the economy.”

“Ocean Bank, which lent heavily in the condo market, said the bank increased its loan loss reserves to $77.5 million in June.”

“In June, Ocean Bank filed a foreclosure notice in Palm Beach County against six individuals and NRW Development, a South Florida real estate development firm, which held $50 million in unpaid loans on a Boca Raton condo conversion project. Other problem loans involved Hialeah condo converter Puig, which filed for bankruptcy protection last month.”

“Miami bank analyst Ken Thomas said the losses at Ocean Bank were an indication of tougher times for the banking sector. ‘This again is a sign that the good times in banking are gone,’ he said. ‘It’s one thing to report decreased earnings like BankUnited and BankAtlantic did in recent days. It’s another to report a loss.’”

“Both BankUnited and BankAtlantic, big Florida thrifts, announced declines in quarterly profits this week. Ocean Bank’s loss, Thomas said, signals that the impact of the troubled real estate market will continue to ripple through the economy.”

From Bay News 9 in Florida. “The foreclosure rate in Pinellas County is soaring, experts say. ‘If you look at the properties in one new construction project in St. Petersburg, you will see that nine out of 56 townhomes have had court action filed by the lenders, which normally indicates pre-foreclosure activity,’ said real estate agent Roger Buchanan.”

“The recently built upscale properties are listed for between $500,000 and $800,000, and share the same 33705 ZIP code as part of Midtown, Buchanan said.”

“Investors who sunk large amounts of money into new developments are now feeling the burn since the market has changed so drastically.”

The Independent Mail from South Carolina. “You’ve found the house you want but can’t seem to sell the one you have. It’s become an all-too-familiar problem for many people.”

“As residential building and new home sales slow across the Upstate, housing is a buyer’s market, said Debbie Dorn, a Realtor in Anderson. One of her clients, who wanted to move from Florida to Anderson, dropped the asking price on a home from $450,000 to $375,000 after 120 days on the market.”

“‘There’s not too many people who can afford to buy a new house before their old house sells,’ said Tom Carr, a Realtor in Anderson.”

“Not even Hartwell Lake properties are bucking the trend, with home sales down 51.5 percent from last year, according to statistics Mr. Carr pulled from the Upstate MLS. ‘We’re not scared, but it’s definitely not as good a market as it has been over the past few years,’ Mr. Carr said.”

“The drop in sales could be the result of low water levels. It also could be a sign that the baby boomers who have been driving the marketplace for lake homes, second homes and resort properties have reached the tipping point as buyers, said Dave Chamblee, owner of Anderson Area Properties.”

“At some point, baby boomers’ buying will slow. Then they’ll become sellers, Mr. Chamblee said.”

The News & Observer from North Carolina. “The auctioneer was warmed up and ready with a microphone. The spectators watched eagerly. The house was open, spotless and decorated. The only things missing Thursday were the bidders.”

“Despite publicity, no qualified bidders showed up to bid on the four-bedroom home, with a tax value of $466,472.”

“The house has been on the market for more than a year. The broker then turned to a home auction company. Sarah Sonke, AuctionFirst co-founder, says the Triangle market for home sellers isn’t as robust as people think.”

“‘What’s happening is the resell homes are sitting out there, and [sellers] are really not getting desperate, but they’re getting concerned that no one is coming for a showing,’ she said. ‘The resell homes are really suffering.’”

“Thursday’s result didn’t dishearten Laura Brockington of Chapel Hill. She, too, is planning to auction her home in August. After many showings and no offers, ‘not even a bad offer,’ she’s ready for a new strategy. ‘I need to be out of that house.’”

The Dickson Herald from Tennessee. “Don Dey flips a house about once every three years, and there’s no question that his latest listing, a 5,200-square-foot home that he describes as having a French style with a mansard roof, has taken longer than Dey’s previous two homes to sell.”

“Despite searching for a buyer for more than three months and living in a section of town that’s crowded with ‘for sale’ listings, Dey has no intention of lowering his asking price of $700,000. It’s just a matter of waiting, he says, and keeping realistic expectations.”

“‘There’s nothing that is a red flag. We experienced record growth in ‘04 and ‘05, and it’s hard to keep that pace,’ he said of the Nashville-area housing market.”

“‘There are more listings and it’s taking longer, but it’s back to reality,’ he said.”

“Realtors say much of the sizzle of the recent past appears to have seeped out of the Nashville market. The inventory of homes for sale is on the rise. The number of detached homes, condos, multifamily buildings, farms and lots on the market has increased 34 percent in the past year to more than 21,000 properties.”

“Buyers seem less eager to make an offer on a home, and when they do, they are often asking for more concessions, or adding a clause that voids the sales contract if they cannot sell their previous home, real estate professionals say.”

“Evidence of the slower market can be found in the area around Dey’s house. More than two-dozen homes are on the market in the Green Hills neighborhoods nearest the border with Belle Meade, including nine in Dey’s Sugartree subdivision, not counting his. Two years ago, many of these homes probably would have already sold.”

“‘It’s like the buyers huddled all over town and said, ‘We’re going to be tough,’ said Bill Bainbridge, an agent in Green Hills.”




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Comment by tcm_guy
2007-07-28 07:12:04

Yesterday I spoke with a guy who lives in Clearwater, FL who is driving through KY on his way to work the Indy 400 (He is a NASCAR vendor). He says three months ago he had the “opportunity” to get four rental houses from a bank in FL in one lumped deal with no money down and no credit check, but he “missed out” on it because he has his hands full with a spouse that is draining his money with a drug problem.

I tried to explain to him those four houses would have been financial suicide, and he would never be able to cash flow those houses at these prices, but he kept on talking about how he could make the monthly nut, and something about “23%”. I kept pressing him on the details of the mortgage, and how he had to factor at least 15% vacancy losses on rent, but he told me that he would use this mysterious “23%” to pay for the maintenance and upkeep, and it was obvious he had no understanding of the terms of the loan.

After only three months the credit tightening is no longer making this feasible for him, so it goes to show you that these reckless GFs are still out there, they just can not get the financing.

Got 10% down?

Comment by jerry from richardson
2007-07-28 08:57:53

Maybe he got into his wife’s stash. Did he have any white powder under his nose?

Comment by tcm_guy
2007-07-28 09:25:17

No visible signs of white powder. I did decline an offer to go with him later this year to visit some rich friend of his at some “estate” in San Juan, PR. Chain smoking smokestack, (oxygen challenged car interior), no can do.

Got 10% down?

Comment by phillygal
2007-07-28 09:32:35

It sounds like he’s the one with the draining habit and is putting it on his wife.

I don’t know one man who would choose a junkie wife over his finances. Not one.

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Comment by tcm_guy
2007-07-28 10:14:38

Usually his wife is with him when he works the NASCAR circuit. Not with him this time, says he is through with her and getting a divorce.

Got 10% down?

 
Comment by not a gator
2007-07-28 14:27:19

He likes his women like he likes his investments: wild and scary.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by WAman
2007-07-28 07:13:01

“Don Santos, past president of the Treasure Coast Builders Association, wasn’t surprised at the statistics in the report. ‘Unfortunately these are a high count, which reinforces the fact that builders overbuilt inventory,’ Santos said. ‘But there’s never been a better time to buy.’”

I have a feeling he will be making that statement many more times as prices get lower and lower.

Comment by jerry from richardson
2007-07-28 09:01:58

Never been a better time to buy? How about before prices doubled for no reason in the past five years?

 
 
Comment by Tom
2007-07-28 07:16:37

As builders slam on the brakes that slows down a lot of things. Builders aren’t making money. Construction workers aren’t working. Car dealerships aren’t selling trucks. Realtors and Mortage Brokers aren’t making as much. Suppliers aren’t selling. Many don’t get hired and in many cases lots get laid off. All the way from the construction worker down to the roofer, landscaper, workers at home depot and lowes. Gas prices, taxes, and insurance are up. People are moving out of Florida. This is going to be really really bad.

Comment by SoBay
2007-07-28 07:24:16

‘Realtors and Mortage Brokers aren’t making as much’.
- Are they even making anything? except for making plans for a new career.

Comment by Tom
2007-07-28 07:35:41

A friend of mine who is a broker is up to her eyeballs in debt. She took all the equity out of her home and bought 4 or 5 other properties that she is underwater on every month even renting it. She can’t sell and the prices she is asking is OUTRAGEOUS.

When this is pointed out to her, all she says is “I refuse to take a loss.”

Comment by joe momma
2007-07-28 07:43:44

This is exactly what I have been saying. Because realtors were closest to the supply, they became big flippers. First 1, then 2, and then at the end they have 5 homes they are trying to flip. And these are the most expensive ones, since they paid top dollar.

Realtors are losing their asses right now.

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Comment by palmetto
2007-07-28 08:03:22

“Realtors are losing their asses right now.”

Yes, and they vacillate between blaming “the buyers” and blaming the sellers. They need to get real and get the sellers to drop trou on the prices. That’s the only way this current crop of “potential buyers” will EVER buy. And we’re the only ones who CAN buy at this point. ‘Cause we weren’t suckers.

“When all else fails, men turn to reason”. Abba Eban

 
Comment by tcm_guy
2007-07-28 08:05:55

Your post made me smile this morning :-)

 
Comment by palmetto
2007-07-28 08:09:23

thanks, tcm. I heard that quote recently and thought it was encouraging.

 
Comment by palmetto
2007-07-28 08:15:46

tcm, what I see happening right now, in real estate, on Wall Street, in international events, is groups of vested interests trying every trick in the book BUT reason. And it seems like the bag of tricks is pretty close to being empty. That’s when we will see real acceptance of the fact the sane and equitable economic models are the only real workable ones. We might be somewhat close to that.

 
Comment by arroyogrande
2007-07-28 08:45:12

“Yes, and they vacillate between blaming “the buyers” and blaming the sellers.”

And they are blaming the media and information outlets…”And we would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for those meddling kids!”

They blame the media for “talking up the bubble”, they blame information outlets like DataQuick for releasing “raw data before it can be properly digested and interpreted” (by Realtors, of course), and bubble blogs for, well, calling all of the recent events (that were supposed to be ‘unpredicted’) LONG ago.

If only they could hoard the housing information, they could spoon feed the “civilians” (yes, a Realtor used that term) the information so as to keep the market going. Civilians (buers and sellers) should never have access to information on their own…who knows what crazy ideas might pop into their heads if given too much information?

 
Comment by tcm_guy
2007-07-28 09:02:18

Um…..I dunno if we are close to that palmetto. I think perhaps two overlapping generations of perverse business belief systems will need to go from college to retirement before sanity can be restored (and even then it will not be fully restored). It may therefore take as long as the first half of this new century for most of this stupidity to shake itself loose.

My original post was meant for joe momma’s comment (server delays in posts can lead to weird outcomes), but I appreciate posting with yah too palmetto. :-)

Got 10% down?

 
Comment by cmhappyrenter
2007-07-28 11:01:06

Thanks Arroyo, love the quote …”And we would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for those meddling kids!”

From Reagan’s Voo doo to Scooby Doo Economics

 
Comment by arroyogrande
2007-07-28 11:09:39

“Scooby Doo Economics” LOL!

 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2007-07-28 07:46:20

“I refuse to take a loss.”

as if it will require her cooperation..

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Comment by shendi
2007-07-28 08:35:06

I’m glad that at least some realtors (percentage anyone?) are also stuck with houses they cannot sell. Seems like they too drank the kool-aid. Some justice this…

 
Comment by combotechie
2007-07-28 08:50:51

Too may realitors believe in their own publicity.

 
Comment by tcm_guy
2007-07-28 09:06:02

Replace “publicity” in your sentence with “stupidity” and you are spot on.

 
Comment by phillygal
2007-07-28 09:35:18

just one more anecdote demonstrating the entitlement mentality, i.e. “‘I’m entitled to a profit when I sell a house.”

Somebody take all these nitwits and beam them out to a parallel universe, please.

TIA

 
Comment by Neil
2007-07-28 11:13:36

“I refuse to take a loss.”

It won’t happen today.

Tomorrow… The Joshua tree. ;)

Bwaaa haaa ha!

Replace “publicity” in your sentence with “stupidity” and you are spot on.
ROTFL.

One of my relatives is a Realtor ™. She’s a little smarter than the average one though. Why? She’s ready for a two to three year “vacation.” From the industry. This will be the third time she has done this.

Its going to suck this Christmas. Why do I say that? We’re getting real estate, stock, and hedge fund margin calls up the wazoo. Credit tightening is quick and pitiless.

Got popcorn?
Neil

 
 
Comment by Cocoa Beach
2007-07-28 08:32:11

A lot of realtors got caught up in the flipping game and are now in trouble. Apparently the easy commission checks weren’t enough for the greedy ones and they jumped into the mix with their own money. I dug into our local MLS and found one agent who is trying to sell 5 just-closed and about-to-close properties with a total combined asking price of $3.5 mil.

Many of the flippers who made good money early in the game kept doubling down and now stand to lose it all. Every game of poker is decided with the last hand. Early winning hands mean nothing if you lose the last one.

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Comment by jerry from richardson
2007-07-28 09:11:10

The same thing happened with the dotcom bubble scam. People were daytrading worthless stocks until they got stuck holding the bag and refused to sell for a loss. In the end, the margin calls did the selling for them or the company went bankrupt. In this case, we will see alot of forclosures and jingle mails.

 
Comment by Chip
2007-07-28 14:30:36

Cocoa — pretty good analogy, re the average greedy flipper. I know of a few who got out at the right time, but most seem to have missed the boat big-time.

 
 
 
Comment by Paul in Jax
2007-07-28 10:00:22

Was in western Va. last week trying to help get my Mom’s house ready for listing. Found out the real estate agent we were going to use who I used many times buying and selling fixer-uppers has decided to retire. Smart lady - she made a nice packet in the last few years and was a conscientious agent, even if remarkably naive about markets in general.

I reminded her of the last house I sold, in early Spring 2006. After the closing I said to her, ‘I just sold that house for more than it will ever sell for again.” She said something to the effect of, don’t be silly, houses always manage to appreciate 3-5% a year. Mark my words, I said, that house will never sell for more than I just sold it for (1920s frame house). Ever.

You were right, she said. Said the market is dead and prices have fallen 6-8% in the last few months.

 
 
Comment by Bill
2007-07-29 04:28:20

I like your analysis, your understanding of the spreading disaster. You ain’t seen Nothing yet! The foreclosures are going to destroy banks, brokerages and pension funds that “feasted on the mortgage backed securities” issued by Wall St. Credit will dry up, putting the overall economy into a recession which will slow down all business activity. Then the interest rates will skyrocket, as the foreign countries financing Bush’s War Black Mail us, delivering the body blow to housing. Bad? Getting worse? It will be 10 years of Pain before prices get back to where they were in 2005, mark my word! Despite Suze Orman, anyone who buys a rental property now is a fool.

 
 
Comment by Houstonstan
2007-07-28 07:16:42

Hearing these comments reminds me of the film “Groundhog day”. The radio alarm has just gone off at 6:00 and ‘I’ve got you babe’ is playing…

Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-28 09:12:23

It’s different now. When we first made these comments, the MSM ignored us and a pesky army of trolls posted here to say we were kooks.

Now the MS financial press is an echo of this blog.

Comment by Houstonstan
2007-07-28 09:24:48

We are kooks ! I’m proud to be one in that we called it for what is was…a mania.

It’s a history in the making, madness of crowds event: Society going credit mad in crowds and recovering their senses individually. Got cash.

 
Comment by tj & the bear
2007-07-28 16:43:13

Yeah, only the echo’s operating on a two year delay.

 
 
Comment by Houstonstan
2007-07-28 09:26:29

Btw by “these comments” I meant the idiots being quoted in the articles not the posters here.

 
Comment by phillygal
2007-07-28 09:37:10

LOL

*great reference*

 
 
Comment by SoBay
2007-07-28 07:21:32

“Thursday’s result didn’t dishearten Laura Brockington of Chapel Hill. She, too, is planning to auction her home in August. After many showings and no offers, ‘not even a bad offer,’ she’s ready for a new strategy. ‘I need to be out of that house.’”

Hang in there Laura - August is only 4 days away. That will make a big difference.

Comment by arroyogrande
2007-07-28 08:47:43

“Hang in there Laura - August is only 4 days away.”

Welcome to the end of The Spring Selling Season…how did we do?

Comment by phillygal
2007-07-28 09:38:35

pretty sh!tty in my neck of the woods.

The Open House balloon vendors are making out pretty good though.

 
Comment by Neil
2007-07-28 11:18:56

Sadly LA didn’t do too bad. Enough to create some pain.

But as soon as people cannot borrow more to maintain the lifestyle…

Whammo!

Got popcorn?
Neil

 
 
 
Comment by walt
2007-07-28 07:22:46

I just came back from having my car serviced in Naples, FL. The guy at the garage was telling me about a woman, ex-realtor, who is now getting recertified for nursing. She needed four tires on here SUV but could only afford two.

Comment by We Rent!
2007-07-28 08:51:48

Smart. Let’s just get half the breaks done, too.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2007-07-28 09:37:23

At least she will get to her appointments quicker.

Comment by Neil
2007-07-28 11:21:02

snicker.

Now wait a second. “Only afford two.”
So is her credit card maxed?
No promotional offer for an off brand tyre?

That is really being in a bad place if you cannot afford two tires… I cannot even imagine it being that bad. She should declare BK… now!

Got popcorn and tread?
Neil

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Comment by not a gator
2007-07-28 14:31:36

Better make that the front two tires–in my experience the rear fishtail is a lot easier to recover from that a front axle skid.

YMMV

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2007-07-28 07:27:02

“‘It’s like the buyers huddled all over town and said, ‘We’re going to be tough,’ said Bill Bainbridge, an agent in Green Hills.”

Yeah, dude.. it’s a freakin conspiracy! From our underground lairs “all over town” we get our daily marching orders from Ben through our decoder rings..

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2007-07-28 07:47:31

It can’t be that we looked at the price of rent compared to price of purchase and said… I’ll keep renting, thanks.

 
Comment by tcm_guy
2007-07-28 08:03:05

When I lived in Bowling Green, KY I used to travel to the Green Hills Mall Cinema in Nashville. The traffic on weekdays at Hillsboro Pike south of the 440 was unbelievable - it was many times worse than anything I ever saw growing up in the lower east side of Manhattan. I could not understand why anybody would want to purchase an expensive home in an area where you could not get anywhere. Very, very low quality of life in my opinion.

Comment by bp
2007-07-28 08:11:14

Green Hills is nice if you don’t have to leave it. I dread going to the mall there because of all the traffic.

 
 
Comment by We Rent!
2007-07-28 08:53:24

How can I get a decoder ring? This sucks. I’ve been around here for YEARS, and this is the first I’ve heard of them.

That’s messed up, Ben.

:mrgreen:

Comment by tcm_guy
2007-07-28 10:26:53

Ben is having problems with his outgoing email server. Next week’s decoder ring settings: E-5-J-9 ;-)

Comment by Neil
2007-07-28 11:27:33

Roger Wilco.

I’ve informed the teams to deploy.

D-Day, H-hour of “Vesuvius” is Monday, 9:30am EST. check.

Got popcorn.
Commander of the So Bay flying Elvises.

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Comment by Chip
2007-07-28 14:37:02

LOL. And I haven’t even had my first toddy yet. Hope I can remember to read it later this evening, for an even better laugh.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2007-07-28 19:48:23

it’s a freakin conspiracy! From our underground lairs “all over town” we get our daily marching orders from Ben through our decoder rings..

The first rule of Ben’s Club is, we don’t talk about Ben’s Club.

 
 
Comment by stanleyjohnson
2007-07-28 07:40:28

mid may was 799,000
6/10/06 was 836,471
6/14/06 was 840,935
6/17/06 was 846,120
6/20/06 was 850,317
6/22/06 was 855,892
6/24/06 was 860,647
6/29/06 was 866,037
7/01/06 was 858,675
7/09/06 was 870,854
7/11/06 was 882,239
7/13/06 was 886,055
7/14/06 was 890,896
7/18/06 was 895,022
7/21/06 was 900,000
7/25/06 was 905,170
7/28/06 was 910,001
8/01/06 was 903,718
8/12/06 was 915,336
8/19/06 was 920,755
8/26/06 was 925,176
8/29/06 was 951,242
9/15/06 was 955,352
12/1/06 was 925,170
12/2/06 was 915,258
1/01/07 was 857,760
1/20/07 was 900,302
2/14/07 was 932,055
4/21/07 was 1,148,456
4/27/07 was 1,171,189
5/11/07 was 1,192,290
5/18/07 was 1,202,413
5/25/07 was 1,238,121
6/14/07 was 1,256,361
7/28/07 today 1,300,943

http://www.ziprealty.com/maps/index.jsp?usage=search&cKey=74rbwvlk

However zip gets these numbers, by added states or whatever they are going up. What it all means is it would take one appraiser a very, very, very long time to put a price on each of these homes and by that time it really wouldn’t matter

Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-28 08:22:29

Real estate (inventory) always goes up…

 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-28 08:39:37

1/01/07 was 857,760
7/28/07 today 1,300,943

Annualized (percentage) used-home inventory growth rate during 2007 since seasonal nadir:

(((1,300,943/857,760)^(360/(31+28+31+30+31+30+28)))-1)*100
= 104.9%

(Fun fact: Copy and paste the formula into the search line in Google to repicate this calculation!)
=

Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-28 08:40:17

“replicate”

 
 
 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2007-07-28 07:43:09

I marvel at how “sticky” the asking prices are in my old Sarasota ZIP code. For equivalent homes in equivalent neighborhoods, I’d say the median asking price is easily the same as what we got for our house in 2005. I guess there are a lot of people who, a) really don’t have to sell, b) are HELOCed or refi’ed to the max, or c) delusional.

Comment by palmetto
2007-07-28 07:58:20

I’ll bet many folks in the Carolinas are relieved that Floridians are stuck in Florida. I’m tellin’ ya, the Carolinas are the new California, meaning I think it could become the new center of production, jobs and relative prosperity in the US. I’m not ready to leave FLA yet, but it is nice to know I could if I wanted to. I’d be headed for the Carolinas if I did decide to leave.

Comment by aNYCdj
2007-07-28 08:31:53

I HATE to say palmetto i beat you by 15+ years, i left Charleston in 91. Because i was tired of competing against alcoholics and drug addicts for jobs.

Drug testing employees….no such thing back then. Even lowly DJ jobs bar owners would pay you with free drinks all night and you would wind up with a couple of joints in the tip jar. Drugs were part of the pay package and i dont drink or use drugs.

I said back then in 15-20 years when a million northerners came south and upgraded the place and professionalism was important, i might move back……well i was right and my friend and DJ partner who was from Charleston is thinking the same thing selling their house in Yonkers, NY and going back home. (she used to work for Walter Conkite as his office manager about 8 years ago.)

 
Comment by Paul in Jax
2007-07-28 10:26:54

The Carolinas are no promised land. North Carolina is a relatively high tax state, including a high state income tax which you have claimed not to like, and there is also an undercurrent of political correctness that is a touch higher than other southern states. (If state income taxes are important to you you should consider Texas or Tennessee, where instead you get to pay a gazillion % sales tax.) S.C. is a bit of a backwater and outside 3 or 4 urban areas and a small stretch of foothills and the beach is not very pretty. It has also recently raised some taxes. Va. used to be a lower tax state than NC but that is changing. I lived four years in western N.C. and liked it OK, and it is actually the most central location for my business, but I have no real desire to live there. You can buy houses relatively cheaply in a swath from Hickory up through the Triad area east to about Burlington, but no thanks.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2007-07-29 11:01:04

Paul, your descriptions of VA, NC, SC and TN are right on. The area we’re in is far more suitable for retirees than for people who must still work.

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Comment by Mike
2007-07-28 07:58:36

The boom to bust cycle is still in it’s early stages. When a bust happens, they are financial life or death struggles for a lot of people and the mere fact that they bought at the height of a boom period shows they are not very savvy when it comes to investing. I learned my lesson in the tech boom and bust and then looked back into the history of booms and busts and it’s NEVER, NEVER “Different this time.” These speculators have the, “It will come back,” mentality as many did in the tech boom. Despite the anchors on the CNBC Business Comedy Show telling everyone how the Dow is at new highs and everything is peachy, it isn’t. The QQQQ’s are still at less than half their levels when the bust happened and a LOT of people rode that stock down from a high of $120 to a low of $20 because they thought the QQQQ’s would, “Come back.” Eventually, however, the cold light of day dawns on people and they start to get out. It’s a case of just how long they held on as the values drop. Many will be a lot poorer but a lot wiser. However, have no fear. There’s a boat load of suckers already on their way and due to arrive for the next boom (whatever it may be).

Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-28 08:31:55

‘NEVER, NEVER “Different this time.”’

The four most expensive words in the English language are ‘It’s different this time.’

–Ludwig von Mises–

 
Comment by arroyogrande
2007-07-28 08:54:47

“There’s a boat load of suckers already on their way and due to arrive for the next boom (whatever it may be).”

It’s called “the next generation”…however, I’m schooling my kids about cycles and manias, and I hope that they can survive (or even profit from) the coming bubbles…because there will always be bubbles as long as you have humans.

Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-28 09:08:27

“I’m schooling my kids about cycles and manias,…”

Same here, and it is not hard with a mountain of conspicuous evidence around San Diego. My daughter (age 12) commented just a couple of days ago that there ’seem to be too many new houses around here.’

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Comment by arroyogrande
2007-07-28 08:52:00

Wait until the tsunami of loan resets (that started April of this year) work it’s way into foreclosures…if you assume 6 months from loan reset to NOD to foreclosure, and assume that at least some percent of the resets face foreclosure, you’ve go a foreclosure surge (even greater than the current one) hitting the market around October of this year…and it gets worse after that.

Comment by Smithers
2007-07-28 09:04:08

Good source advises me that even current levels of foreclosures are understated . . . until they hire more qualified folks, the numbers might plateau. Plus, as discussed here many times, lenders are frantically trying to modify terms on as many deals as possible, just delaying the inevitable. It’s gonna take a loooooong time to sort this all out.

 
 
 
Comment by Mike
2007-07-28 07:43:14

Don Santos, past president of Treasure Coast Builders Association: “There’s never been a better time to buy.” I’m starting to think these realtors and developers. etc, are the result of some aliens from outer space who arrived and put “pods” all over the USA and when the “pods” hatched, they all became realtors and developers. Inside their mechanical brains, they are wired to keep repeating, “There’s never been a better time to buy.” Or, “Mortgage rates have never been lower.” Or, “Owning their own home is every American’s dream”.

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2007-07-28 07:54:29

Or what I keep hearing.

“Even in the current market buying a home is the ONLY investment that is a no brainer. Investment, tax breaks, stored non-liquid value, leveraging someone else’s (the Bank’s) $ for your investment… all contribute to make buying a house a GREAT use of your $ and Credit.”

What I can’t figure out is
1) Who is spewing this crap to the sheeple.
2) what is good about non-liquid.
3) Leverge is a HORRID thing in a down market.

So, what we’re left with is “overpay for a devaluing asset to save on taxes and face foreclosure and bankruptcy”.

How is this a no-brainer??? Because if you use your brain you’d NEVER do it?

Comment by jerry from richardson
2007-07-28 09:15:18

Only people with no brrains would be investing in this RE bubble

 
Comment by Ghostwriter
2007-07-28 10:40:25

So you get a tax break. It doesn’t even come close to the amount of interest you borrow. I always looked at it as a discount on the percentage of interest charged to keep it in perspective.

Comment by Ghostwriter
2007-07-28 10:41:31

Meant amount of interest you pay.

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Comment by arroyogrande
2007-07-28 08:34:15

“Inside their mechanical brains, they are wired to keep repeating, “There’s never been a better time to buy.””

“There’s never been a better time to buy.”

CLICK-WHIR-BEEP.

“There’s never been a better time to buy.”

CLICK-WHIR-BEEP.

“There’s never been a better time to buy.”

CLICK-WHIR-BEEP.

Comment by Ghostwriter
2007-07-28 10:42:26

Say it 21 times and it becomes a habit.

 
 
Comment by combotechie
2007-07-28 08:57:07

From the realtors point of view it would be crazy to tell people that now is a bad time to buy.

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2007-07-28 07:46:16

“Centex recently opted out of a planned 800-acre, 1,650-home development in Martin County.”

I wish they’d opted out of the development they’re building here in the Ruskin area. When Centex goes down, they’re really going to stink out the joint, IMHO.

 
Comment by palmetto
2007-07-28 07:51:01

“One of her clients, who wanted to move from Florida to Anderson, dropped the asking price on a home from $450,000 to $375,000 after 120 days on the market.”

I know someone who is trying to sell their home in Pinellas so they can move to South Carolina. It has been very frustrating for them. They took it off the market for the summer, thinking it will do better in the fall.

Comment by phillygal
2007-07-28 09:43:11

They took it off the market for the summer, thinking it will do better in the fall.

Huh? That’s a new one. First it was Spring that was the hot selling season, then it was right after the Super Bowl, now it’s what…The Back-to-School Buying Binge…?

(phillygal stopped rec drug use many moons ago but sometimes wishes she used some of the stuff these sellers and realtors are smoking.)

Comment by Ghostwriter
2007-07-28 10:44:29

Slowest selling time is back to school time. Families already want to be located in the district their kids are going to go to. No one wants to move at the start of a school year.

 
 
Comment by Paul in Jax
2007-07-28 10:34:49

See stanleyjohnson chart above. Surprise, people: you ain’t selling a stock or a bond.

 
Comment by Margaret Jones
2007-07-28 13:29:43

And what is in Anderson?

 
 
Comment by cameron
2007-07-28 08:19:42

I live in Chapel Hill, and attended the auction mentioned in the article. Nothing but a bunch of ever-optimistic real esate agents, and “lookers” — like me. No one seriously thought about buying that house. There’s new construction in town for less $$.

The Chapel Hill area didn’t experience the rapid run up in prices, like FL, NV, CA. Even though they truly aren’t making any more land here in Orange County, prices are really starting to soften. I’m seeing for sale signs everywhere. The realtors won’t admit it, but it’s going to hell real fast… and new condos and neighborhoods are still being built. Just wait until parents start trying to dump all the “investment” condos they bought for their kids to live in during college. What costs $220,000 to buy (plus $150/month condo fees), can be rented for $850/month. Insanity.

 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-28 08:21:31

“Investors who sunk large amounts of money into new developments are now feeling the burn since the market has changed so drastically.”

How soon will someone compile a report on the number of housing investers who got stucco with two, three, four, …, ten, … (???), houses?

Comment by Neil
2007-07-28 12:14:55

Those reports come *after* the crash. First the rock has to be flipped over to see what’s under it…

Got popcorn?
Neil

 
 
Comment by BJ
2007-07-28 09:59:07

South western Ohio. I am only seeing listing prices coming down
1-2 % and many are standing firm on listing prices even though the houses have been on the market for 6-12 months.

At some point the comps will come down due to those who must sell and take what they can get.
I think eventually Realtors will refuse to take listings with “wishing” prices because they spend on advertising , etc. Then we will see some movement.
But we may be in for a lo-o-o-o-ng wait.

Those standing firm on prices fail to realized there are fewer buyers because the no-doc- cash back- at closing- 100 % LTV loans are all but non- existent . And those of us with flawless credit and healthy down payments refuse to pay over inflated prices.
Patience !

Comment by Ghostwriter
2007-07-28 10:50:20

NE Ohio here. Listing prices will drop but the percentages won’t be as dramatic. Sales are slower in our area, but sale prices have only dropped a few percent. Remember houses only rose 1-3% a year even in the boom years. You probably won’t see drops like FL, CA, NV, AZ that rose 50-400%. Places with modest gains will be hit because of the economy, but prices won’t change as dramatically as the states that had frenzied buying.

Comment by Chip
2007-07-28 21:34:29

“Remember houses only rose 1-3% a year even in the boom years.”

While it’s probably true that NE Ohio will not drop like Miami will, the fly in the 3%-per-year ointment is the huge amount of vacant inventory elsewhere. How many *additional* NE Ohio residents will move out of state because the allure of a newly-affordable post-bust house in a different climate is very appealing?

IMO, the extraordinarily high (historic?) number of vacant homes, added to the shadow inventory waiting to be marketed and new homes under construction, blows all “We’ll be OK” theories out of the water.

 
 
 
2007-07-28 11:41:17

“‘There’s nothing that is a red flag. We experienced record growth in ‘04 and ‘05, and it’s hard to keep that pace,’ he said of the Nashville-area housing market.”

Another talking point. I hear the same thing here.

 
Comment by vegassoldin2005
2007-07-28 11:42:57

“Investors who sunk large amounts of money into new developments are now feeling the burn since the market has changed so drastically.”

Burn, baby! Burn!

 
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