July 29, 2007

‘It’s Still A Buyer’s Market; We Just Need More Buyers

The Chicago Tribune reports from Illinois. “Need to sell your home in a hurry? Unfortunately, for most homeowners today it’s no longer as simple as putting a ‘for sale’ sign in the yard. Existing-home sales have fallen, and home prices have declined, too, as the number of houses for sale has reached new highs. In other words, it’s not an easy time to be a seller. There is too much supply for the demand.”

“If you overshoot the asking price, it could take longer to sell your home, and you may have to concede significant price reductions later. ‘The buyer thinks the longer a home is on the market, the less he should pay for it,’ said Andrea Geller, a member of the board of directors for the Chicago Association of Realtors.”

“‘There seems to be a disconnect now,’ said Terry Semmens, Chicago district director for ZipRealty Inc. ‘We’re showing lots of homes and our agents are busy, but it hasn’t correlated [with transactions] as it has in the past.’”

“Semmens said the supply of homes for sale in the Chicago region rose 3.6 percent in June, reaching a level 30.6 percent higher than the year before. He also said 37 percent of homes for sale had reduced their price at least once, up from 35.4 percent at the end of May.”

“Andrea Fraley has cut the price on her 3-year-old home in Aurora from $240,000 to about $220,000, below the appraised value, since it went on the market in May, and says she is feeling pressure because her family is moving out of state in August. Recently she began ‘make us an offer’ ads.”

“‘It’s in perfect condition, we’re keeping it really clean, and it’s freshly painted,’ she said. ‘We can’t get rid of it.’”

The Kane County Chronicle from Illinois. “Suzanne Ehardt, planning and development director for McHenry County, said single-family, detached-home building permits were down by about 50 percent in unincorporated McHenry County compared with the same period last year.”

“Greg Wallis, a partner at Cary-based builder Verseman Development, said local sales mirror the national trend. ‘Things are definitely slow,’ Wallis said. ‘We’re following the national average.’”

“‘Everybody was talking about the bubble and how the bubble was going to burst, and it obviously has,’ he said.”"

The Courier News from Illinois. “Earleda and Kevin Parrish were looking for a home for seven or eight months before they found the one they wanted in Carpentersville. By March 2007, not quite two years after they bought their dream home, the family’s belongings were being moved out to the front yard and the Parrishes were being evicted.”

“‘We literally lost everything,’ Earleda Parrish said. It was not just the house, but many of the things inside that they couldn’t fit into the storage container they’d rented. ‘It’s kind of hard to watch people from the neighborhood walking away with your stuff,’ she said.”

“Foreclosures in Elgin and South Elgin for the first half of 2007 are up about 32 percent over the same time period in 2006, according to Record Information Services Inc. In other areas of the county, foreclosure numbers through mid-July 2007 nearly are surpassing what they were in all of 2006.”

“The alarming growth rate begs the question whether prospective home buyers are spreading their finances a bit thin. ‘What we ran into now is what I’d call a perfect storm,’ said Mike Hawley, senior VP at First Community Bank of Elgin.”

“North Aurora-based real estate and tax attorney John Duggan, said these new loans have made it so that equity is no longer a requirement for buying a property, which also can contribute to the increased number of foreclosures. With no equity, there’s nothing to lose by foreclosing, he said.”

“‘They ride the foreclosure into bankruptcy,’ Duggan explained. ‘You just keep your house until they take it away from you.’”

The Press Citizen from Iowa. “Jim Kessler, Coralville building and zoning official, said builders are being more careful about the kinds of homes they build. He said the biggest drop he has seen is in the number of speculation homes, or homes that are built without a specific buyer already choosing the lot.”

“‘There’s a pretty darn good amount of pre-existing spec housing that is unsold,’ Kessler said.”

“Sally Cline, president of the Iowa City Area Association of Realtors, said this is true from her perspective.”

“‘There was this mentality a few years ago that was, ‘If you build it, they will come,’ she said. ‘There’s a big inventory out there. So, I think builders are saying ‘Gosh, I think I’ll wait until this sells.’”

“Bill Frantz, president of Frantz Construction Company in Iowa City, said last year and the year before that there was a boom in speculation housing, a lot of which is in North Liberty.”

“‘We’re just kind of waiting out this slump, if that’s what you want to call it,’ he said. ‘I’ve talked to some other builders, and it appears to us that there is a surplus of inventory out there.’”

The Star Observer from Wisconsin. “Additions have been made in the entryway of the St. Croix County Government Center to accommodate a growing number of sheriff’s foreclosure sale notices.”

“Once, only one bulletin board was needed to handle the announcements, but now three are jammed with foreclosure notices and a fourth may be needed soon.”

“St. Croix County Clerk Cindy Campbell said the additions were made recently. Three bulletin boards on the main entrance wall at the St. Croix County Government Center are literally jammed with foreclosure sale notices with more waiting for space. ‘There are three bulletin boards packed and more (foreclosure sale notices) waiting to go,’ Campbell said.”

“She pointed to a stack of 13 waiting for room on the board and said in two days her office received 23 foreclosure notices to post. ‘We added a third board two weeks ago,’ said Sheriff Dennis Hillstead, who conducts the foreclosure sales. ‘We may need a fourth — there is no slow-down in sight.’”

“According to records provided by the sheriff, 40 foreclosure sales were conducted in 2003. The number took a sharp rise by 110 percent to 84 in 2004, then rose 52 percent to 128 in 2005. Last year’s foreclosure sales totaled 188. The 2006 sales were surpassed by a substantial number, with 251 recorded thus far in 2007 with over five months left until the end of the year.”

“‘When I first started as sheriff in 1999, we had one or two sales a week,’ Hillstead said. ‘Last Tuesday there were 12 sales scheduled. Two were postponed or cancelled and 10 went.’”

“Hillstead recalled a time when the subject of a sheriff’s sale was most often a failed farm. ‘Most are single-family homes now,’ he said. ‘Lately a lot of them have been in the $300,000 to $400,000 range.’”

“The problem down the line, informed observers said, is that when there is an over abundance of foreclosed properties held by mortgage companies, they will be forced to lower prices to make sales, which in turn would lower property values throughout the county.”

The Pioneer Press from Minnesota. “At least 40 houses across the Twin Cities will be up for bid soon in St. Paul at a rare mass property auction complete with paddles, auctioneer and ‘Do I hear $150,000.’”

“The event - a ’short sale’ auction of homes in the early stages of foreclosure - is being organized by National Realty Guild, a small St. Paul company rolling the dice in a housing downturn.”

“It’s the latest sign of distress in the local housing market, and a new tactic in the “move that house” game under way as Twin Cities agents struggle with rising foreclosures, dipping home values and a record crop of for-sale signs.”

“Short sales are on the rise around the Twin Cities, said Keenan Raverty, immediate past president of the Mortgage Association of Minnesota. ‘I think it’s going to get worse before it gets better,’ Raverty said.”

The Mount Vernon News from Ohio. “Condominium sales in Knox County remain strong despite reports of a housing slump throughout most of the country.”

“‘The real estate economy is a local economy, and Knox County is nowhere close to the numbers experienced elsewhere in the Midwest,’ said Al Lindeman, the president of the Knox County Board of Realtors.”

“Mount Vernon resident Dee Reynolds and her husband recently passed on the chance to live in a condo. Dee said she and her husband had nothing against the condos they looked at, and that their decision was based more on the size of the condominiums.”

“‘We’re just used to a big home, and we didn’t want to be closed in,’ she said. The Reynolds, who are retired, did settle in a neighborhood where yard work is provided, like in condominium communities.”

“‘The condo market went crazy for a while,’ said Judy Cordle, Mount Vernon’s development services manager. ‘A whole slew of condos showed up at the same time.’”

“Beyond completing the Maple Wood and Colonial Woods projects, Cordle said there are no plans to build more condos in the near future. ‘There’s nothing new coming in right now,’ she said.”

The Beacon Journal fom Ohio. “With 2007 half over, said Tom Campensa, president of the Akron Area Board of Realtors, Summit County has seen better years for the home sale industry. There were 3,063 homes sold in the six-month period, down 11 percent from the first six months of last year, when 3,437 homes sold.”

“‘We had three record-breaking years — 2004, 2005 and 2006,’ Campensa said. ‘In 2004, there were 3,223 homes sold and 3,605 in 2005 for the same period. We are falling back in line with 2003.’”

“‘One of the challenges is to get home sellers more in tune of what buyers are willing to pay,’ said broker Deborah Loughborough. ‘Price and location are still key factors.’”

“‘It is still a buyer’s market; we just need more buyers,’ said Campensa.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2007-07-29 09:59:48

‘Bill Frantz, president of Frantz Construction Company in Iowa City, said last year and the year before that there was a boom in speculation housing’

‘The condo market went crazy for a while,’ said Judy Cordle, Mount Vernon’s development services manager. ‘A whole slew of condos showed up at the same time.’

‘Greg Wallis, a partner at Cary-based builder Verseman Development, said local sales mirror the national trend. ‘Things are definitely slow,’ Wallis said. ‘We’re following the national average. Everybody was talking about the bubble and how the bubble was going to burst, and it obviously has.’

IMO, the media went from denying there was a housing bubble to focusing on a subprime housing bust, completely skipping over the bubble debate. With these articles coming out of the heartland, how can the MSM not address the idea of a speculative mania in housing?

Comment by House Inspector Clouseau
2007-07-29 10:06:23

Agreed. there was little to no coverage of this.

Part of the problem is America’s short attention span, which results in the fact that nobody is ever held accountable for past statements. People are allowed ON RECORD to say “there is no bubble” and then shortly afterwards “the bubble has finished its soft landing”. what what what????

urgh.

Also:
another part of the problem is the MIX of the homes. It’s not just that they’re overbuilding. They’re overbuilding INAPPROPRIATE homes.

Around my area of town, it’s all “luxury” condos. Most are fairly small with VERY high price tags. Only empty nesters or DINKs could possibly imagine living in them.

A new SFH costs more than most people will earn in their lifetimes.

Thus, even when the bubble finishes exploding, the resultant housing stock will still be INAPPROPRIATE for end users.

Comment by aNYCdj
2007-07-29 11:33:42

You HIT the nail on the head:

Here in NYC …i saw HUGE 1 bedrooms that were so HUGE that you wouldn’t be able to open the bedroom doorall the way, if you owned a king size bed!…never mind 2-3 dressers.

I guess their idea customer is 2 yuppies who have very little discretionary income to buy all sorts of stuff to fill the apartment with….so why give them so much room.

Give them floor length windows so you cant use that wall, make walls different lengths, so you can only put a queens size sleeper sofa on one wall, and your plasma tv on the other.

Make sure you have just barely enough room for a small dinette table for 4. The helllll with your grandmothers 100 year old solid oak carved table for 8.

Yes sterile are they come, and oops please don’t have any kids, there is no room to sub-divide the living room for a nursery, and we purposely didn’t give you a nice den/computer room/Junior Bedroom just in case you screwed up.

Comment by Eudemon
2007-07-30 21:22:43

Funny you should post this…I was just talking with a co-worker of mine about how much of the new crap in Chicago is just like this. Why people purchase converted warehouse lofts is beyond me. You can’t use 1/2 the space you purchase, and you’re stuck heating 15-20 foot ceilings.

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Comment by arizonadude
2007-07-29 11:45:05

“‘It’s in perfect condition, we’re keeping it really clean, and it’s freshly painted,’ she said. ‘We can’t get rid of it.’”

Liquidity has dried up.All you can do is keep lowering the price and eventually you will find a buyer.Some of these realtors still have their people in fantasy land about prices.How about a basic economics course via the housing bubble blog?

 
 
Comment by Lisa
2007-07-29 11:23:01

“IMO, the media went from denying there was a housing bubble to focusing on a subprime housing bust, completely skipping over the bubble debate. With these articles coming out of the heartland, how can the MSM not address the idea of a speculative mania in housing?”

With homeownership at almost 70%, it would be like crying fire in a crowded theater. Suddenly, people with boatloads of debt aren’t looking so smart after all. No one wants to admit they got sucked into the biggest bubble of all time, that their financial future is nothing but a house of cards, that it is NOT different this time.

I think the ride down is going to be much quieter than it was on the way up.

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2007-07-29 11:47:47

“With these articles coming out of the heartland, how can the MSM not address the idea of a speculative mania in housing?”

Right. And how is it that local news stations can completely ignore the condo BUILD AND BUST which has consumed their entire downtown areas? The media is rotten to the core. It’s either good news or no news when it comes to housing.

Comment by tj & the bear
2007-07-29 15:42:46

They don’t want to admit they missed a huge story that was right in front of their very eyes. Of course, it just keeps happening, too.

I’d say that the L.A. media is at the forefront of willful ignorance.

 
 
Comment by Eudemon
2007-07-29 18:48:10

Don’t be surprised about the heartland, Ben….it’s the same here as everywhere. There’s just fewer people.

I’m a Univ. of Iowa grad. When I went back to Iowa City for a visit in 2005, I was astounded by the mushrooming of North Liberty, which 10-12 years ago was home to maybe 2,500 people. Now there’s enough housing there to support 15,000.

Iowa City and the rest of Johnson County is a great place to be…a lot of beautiful locales…but no way can it support this kind of building spree. The county has maybe 100,000 residents total. It and the U of Iowa do not have the business base to support the kind of growth seen. No way.

 
 
Comment by Vmaxer
2007-07-29 10:06:10

It all comes down to price. If prices hadn’t gone crazy, due to loose lending standards, we wouldn’t be seeing the growing foreclosures and buyers reluctance. I’d bet that sub prime wouldn’t be as bad as it is, if those buyers hadn’t payed way to much to begin with. When prices get to a point that makes sense relative to incomes, then we’ll start to see some stabilization in the market. Until till then, it’s going to be a painful couple of years, as overextended buyers, from the last few years, get blown out.

The best long term medicine, is to allow this correction to occur naturally.

Comment by SoBay
2007-07-29 11:23:58

‘I’d bet that sub prime wouldn’t be as bad as it is, if those buyers hadn’t payed way to much to begin with.’

I somewhat disagree. The issue of allowing people to ‘Own” something with no money invested allowed an artifical demand to take place. The market normally filters itself, allowing only people to purchase who have downpayments and proof of some fiscal responsibility.
- Here in So Cal, the rules changed to allow strawberry pickers to purchase the american dream home $700k.

 
Comment by combotechie
2007-07-29 11:31:10

“It all comes down to price. If prices hadn’t gone crazy due to loose lending standards,we wouldn’t be seeing the growing forclosures and buyers reluctance.”

The price was driven by availabilty of money which in turn was driven by the disconnect of risk and reward by the loan originators.

People complain these loans were imprudent and risky. They were if one were the at the end of the pipeline and got stuck with the junk paper, but they were VERY PRUDENT and RISKFREE for the originators of the junk when they were able to pass the risk off to someone else. The whole scheme began to come apart only after the pass-the-junk system began to break down; It ended only when the originators of the junk were forced to take the junk back. Then the lenders suddenly got religion and began to reinstitute standards.

 
 
Comment by House Inspector Clouseau
2007-07-29 10:11:53

On the ground here in Minneapolis:

Thus far most of the VISIBLE pain is “contained” to certain neighborhoods… specifically:
North Minneapolis and the other poor neighborhoods
Downtown Condos (all new construction, all high priced)
Far exurban places (much new construction, all very high priced)
Also most of the new infill “luxury” condos, such as around the Lakes etc

SouthWest Mpls (where I live) the downturn is more subtle. There aren’t as many homes for sale as I would’ve thought, maybe 1 home per 1-2 blocks… (I walk around every day, and just don’t see much) but what is for sale isn’t selling unless reduced dramatically.

The word is out: it is a sucky time to be a seller. So people who can avoid selling are avoiding it.

But many people are trapped in their homes, and overextended financially… this is where I’m hearing the true pain… all unreported of course.

for every 1 foreclosure, I’ll bet there are 500-1000 people who are quietly “house poor” or “housebroken” if you will.

very sad.

Comment by Neil
2007-07-29 10:47:48

In too many areas, foreclosure rates are already too high to allow 1000 house poor per foreclosure. Yikes! But I agree with your premise that for every foreclosure there will be many families holding on by the skin of their teeth who wish they could sell.

We did the math a year ago… there simply are not enough qualified buyers left to staunch this. No amount of marketing can keep prices elevated. Its only a question of how many “bear traps” happen on the way down. Its only a question of how far prices drop.

Remember, all real estate prices drops are local. ;)

But its a world wide spectator sport.

Got popcorn?
Neil

Comment by GH
2007-07-29 11:00:08

This is exactly right. There simply are not many qualified buyers left. I can actually see a time where sales in many bubble areas are down 95% or more. I am very interested in seeing the numbers in the 4th quarter of this year. 2008 is rapidly approaching and it is going to be brutal.

 
Comment by vegassoldin2005
2007-07-29 11:49:15

…many families holding on by the skin of their teeth…

And thinking they’re brilliant! Know a few people at work who bought at or near the top and are working two-plus jobs - two full times, plus odd jobs like shampooing carpets, mowing lawns, installing kitchen cabinet, whatever - to make their mortgages payments. And gloating about it, convinced it will all pay off somewhere down the road. Probably down the road where the poorhouse is!

Comment by tj & the bear
2007-07-29 15:45:32

Wait until they start losing those second jobs.

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Comment by Sally OMaley
2007-07-29 13:21:38

Clever (albeit sad)! “Housebroken”

 
 
Comment by kahunabear
2007-07-29 10:18:52

Perhaps marriage failure rates would be a better number for default rates on collaterlized mortage obligations. Chew on that wall street geniuses!

I own (and I mean own) and have for over 20 years and it is a pain in the ass. There is always something to be maintained and $ that have to be thrown at it. When I looked at the cross section of people in the US, who all became qualified homeowners over the last few years, I knew we were in for trouble. Everyone is not a good home owner, or spouse, or parent. So, if you take the success rates on marriages and parenting, perhaps that gives us a potential success rate for home owners. Far different from the days when you had to prove yourself by putting up a good chunk of equity. Different from when the mortgagee actually cared about the appraisal because they would be toting the note.

Comment by tj & the bear
2007-07-29 15:48:09

I’ve stated here before that I believe the bubble artificially suppressed the divorce rate. Nothing like MEW-financed vacations / toys / etc. to keep the family together, eh?

 
 
Comment by arroyogrande
2007-07-29 10:23:20

“The word is out: it is a sucky time to be a seller. So people who can avoid selling are avoiding it.”

Spring Selling Season is over, people have to have the kids enrolled in their eventual schools pretty soon and get settled in.

Comment by Hazard
2007-07-29 11:49:11

The other thing is that the school year has been expanded over the years.

When I was a kid school started Labor Day week and ended the Friday before Memorial Day. My nephew (10th grade) starts back on Aug 7 and my niece the next week (different school). Both did not get out until toward the end of June. Strange in that overall increasing academic achievement doesn’t seem to be reflected in these expansions.

The summer selling season has been reduced by those amounts.

Comment by Pete
2007-07-29 22:29:23

But those longer school years do give teachers a reason to demand higher raises. And the unions thus collect more dues. Ever wondered why unions are so supportive of longer school years? And the fraudulent academic testing to necessitate longer preparation time?

 
 
Comment by Paul in Jax
2007-07-29 13:22:16

Not to hard to avoid selling your house. Just list it at your wishing price.

 
 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2007-07-29 10:31:45

It is already tomorrow, and investors are already ready to buy stocks….

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aKzU06IS2uRU&refer=home

“July 30 (Bloomberg) — Investors are preparing to snap up shares of telephone, health-care and computer companies after last week’s $2.1 trillion global stock market rout left U.S. equities the cheapest in 16 years.”

They wish!

Comment by Neil
2007-07-29 10:53:38

Boomberg was so bearish on Friday and Saturday that they might just be trying not to take the blame for any drop next week. ;)

It will be interesting to see how the markets do tomorrow. Nothing will surprise me. But it will be an indicator. 20%+ correction in the summer… Great recession bad. This fall? Just bad recession bad.

Got popcorn?
Neil

Comment by tj & the bear
2007-07-29 15:49:11

Neil, you following the AHM discussion at CR? Monday could be fugly.

 
 
Comment by Betamax
2007-07-29 14:20:52

from the article: “Philipp Vorndran, who manages $598 billion as investment strategist at Credit Suisse Asset Management in Frankfurt, said subprime defaults won’t spread to higher-rated debt and predicted credit markets will stabilize.”

Defaults have already spread, so he’s already wrong. How does this clown have any legitimacy left?

Comment by NoVAwatcher
2007-07-29 19:09:06

Technically, Vorndran is correct: the defaults didn’t spread, and won’t spread.

In fact, talking about the defaults spreading makes no sense at all. The defaults are independent events: having a subprime borrower default has no effect on my ability to pay a mortgage*.

So, the defaults don’t spread. Instead, we have different tranches (or individuals, if you want finer granularity) with different hazard functions. Some have flat functions, and will never default, baring some catastrophe. Others have rather steep hazard functions, like many of the subprime borrowers, with the probability of defaulting (given that they haven’t already) rapidly increasing over time. Then we have the Alt-A folks, with moderately increasing hazard functions (increasing = bad). We’re just starting to see some of those folks now. But keep in mind that each individuals’ hazard function is independent of the other*.

* technically not true, as a client losing his house may affect my business, but dependence is close enough to zero for this argument.

 
 
 
Comment by passthebubbly
2007-07-29 10:42:29

I brought this up on another thread today, but ownership costs in Chicago are still a good 30-40% over rents. This accounts for everything — taxes, assessments and insurance — and assumes 100% deductibility of interest and property tax. I do the math every month or so.

The market-clearing price now for a 1br condo in the better zip codes is around $190-200k. To that tack on about 200 for property tax and 400 for assessments. Assessments really are the silent killer. You can’t deduct them and they never go down.

There’s a good chance Chicago prices really could stay flat or only moderately (5-10%) decline over the next five years or so. With steady 4% rent increases — right on what I’ve seen in 11 years of living here — that would give us equilibrium around 2012.

Comment by Cinch
2007-07-29 17:59:57

Rent will increase by 4% annually in the next 4 5o 5 years, while inventory level? You have to address inventory level, before making this bold claim!

Comment by Pete
2007-07-29 22:32:19

Very true. You can hardly walk 2 blocks in Chicago without seeing some sort of construction. I think there will be a huge oversupply of home and office property in about 2009.

Comment by Ramki
2007-07-31 13:22:54

If one needs to look at places for sale,look no further than Roscoe Village.Upper middle class neighborhood with condos asking from 400K-500K (the last resort before the inevitable flight to the burbs).

Last night I saw 3 out of 4 condos on the same floor having for sale signs and every second building has a for sale sign.

Even the situation in good neighborhoods(Lakeview,Lincoln Park) is going to get ugly.Never mind “future hot spots”- overpriced areas like River West and Little Italy.

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Comment by Eudemon
2007-07-29 18:40:35

Prices in Chicagoland will continue to fall.

Inventory continues to increase and the population continues to drop. Chicago itself lost another 20,000 residents in 2006 (Census Bureau estimates). Since 2000, the city proper has lost 100,000 residents.

Who is going to buy all the stuff STILL coming on line when we’re losing population? Chicago has a lot to learn, it appears.

And what’s with the Tribune…I mean besides it being a well-known shill for the real estate industry? The rag is till comparing quarter-to-quarter sales results from Dec/Feb. 2005/2006 to Dec/Feb 2007.

What sa matter, Tribune? Scared to print what’s happened here during the past 6 months?

BTW, I’m sick to death of all the ‘going green’ articles as well. Must EVERY daily have 10-15 articles on how to save the environment? Is Daley giving you city funding under the table?

 
2007-07-30 06:13:01

If you’re actually buying in Chicago don’t forget to add at least $25,000 to buy a parking spot. So now that $200,000 “starter” condo is $225,000. Al these cost add to the lack of affordability.

Also, why are you deducting 100% of interest & property taxes? The only ones who get 100% deductability of property taxes are the mayor and his friends.

 
 
Comment by Chicago Real Estate
2007-07-29 10:49:12

Some buyers are being to picky and missing out…

Brian

Comment by Neil
2007-07-29 10:55:09

ROTFL

Some sellers are being stupid and missing out. ;)

Oh, I mean real estate only goes up!

Got popcorn?
Neil

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2007-07-29 11:52:43

Ahem, it’s too picky. Then again, you’re a realtor, so I forgive you.

Comment by Chicago Real Estate
2007-07-30 05:05:56

It’s “Realtor” not “realtor”. Then again, you’re a Bear, so I forgive you. :)

2007-07-30 06:14:19

That’s “realtwhore”.

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Comment by Patricio
2007-07-29 10:51:23

All we need to do is convince all businesses to give all their employees a 50-75% raise and presto we are back in business! I mean people might scoff and say ridiculous, where were these people when a 250K house went to 750k and they just nodded their heads and said..”mmm….seems reasonable…they are not making an more land!” Or when people who couldn’t qualify for a car got houses no worries, same people were silent. So, let’s just make it a Fed crime to not give people 50-75% raises and PRESTO all fixed buyers are back!

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2007-07-29 10:58:28

And think how easy it would be to pay interest on the national debt and social security benifits to the old with the extra tax receipts.

Sucks for people with money in the banks that suddenly find that money has 25% the purchasing power that it used to have.

 
 
Comment by passthebubbly
2007-07-29 11:09:32

2002-05 was a buyer’s market, too. We just needed fewer sellers.

Comment by passthebubbly
2007-07-29 11:10:50

I meant more sellers

Comment by Ben Jones
2007-07-29 11:24:31

That’s another point about this being a bubble. Why, when prices were so high, weren’t there more sellers? IMO, because many believed prices would go higher still, and held off the market. It was there for all to see.

Comment by BanteringBear
2007-07-29 11:55:03

Everybody wanted the top. Now, it’s a rush for the exits as the top is clearly gone.

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Comment by BuyerWillEPB
2007-07-29 15:00:12

“‘It is still a buyer’s market; we just need more buyers,’ said Campensa.”
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It’s much more than just a buyer’s market. Now, it’s a buyer’s revenge market.

 
 
Comment by meta bear
2007-07-29 11:13:57

say, does anyone have a good link to an analysis method for determining a home’s value based on the area’s rent. what i’m not looking for is a rule of thumb. i’d like something slightly detailed - with enough gravity to counter an appraisel done in the traditional “recent sales” manner.

 
Comment by gary
2007-07-29 11:26:22

I wish this so-called housing thing would bring everything down a rung or two here in Northern New Jersey. Because of a great commute to Manhatten and top notch schools, hospitals, etc., the prices in Northern Jersey are holding strong. Anything decent will run you 600K plus and 10K plus per year in taxes. Everytime I read anything about “housing bust”, I see the words “except Northern/Central NJ”. Sigh….

Comment by tj & the bear
2007-07-29 15:54:19

Patience, grasshopper!

 
 
Comment by vegassoldin2005
2007-07-29 11:32:54

“‘It is still a buyer’s market; we just need more buyers,’ said Campensa.”

Ah…But if you had more buyers wouldn’t it become a seller’s market, Mr Campensa?

 
Comment by IllinoisBob
2007-07-29 12:32:33

Thinking of foreclosures, I believe we have 1 in the hood. The subdivision has been built out for 10+ years (Hainesville) and just an ordinary track housing development, from say 180K - 270K. A few places have sold, & there is not too much turnover (maybe 10 out of 200 houses for sale in a season). Well this joker insisted on getting his price of 245K, put the place for sale for sale last winter, and never sold it. The backyard weeds are chest high, the front yard is not much better. No squatters or vandals yet. They had a sales pending tacked onto the sign out front for months, & now both are gone. The neighbors are getting a bit nervous about the abandoned property & what it will do to the comps. The disease is spreading to the fairly stable middle class neighborhoods in the northern burbs of Chicago.

Comment by Rick (Orlando)
2007-07-29 15:43:20

That’s easy to solve. Get all 200 residents together and pool your money to buy the guy’s house at his asking price. That’s only $12k each…

Voila! You’ve rescued your property value. Rinse, lather, repeat.

If you’re not willing to do it, stop whining about it.

Rick

Comment by tj & the bear
2007-07-29 15:55:36

Italics OFF!

 
 
 
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2007-07-29 15:07:02

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I raise a glass to ya’all.

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THANK YOU!!!

 
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