July 30, 2007

The Achilles Heel Of The Housing Market Is Volume

A report from the Washington Post. “Shauntise Harris expected competition when she put her one-bedroom condominium on the market in April. But she didn’t know how intense that competition would get. Not only was she up against some of her neighbors at a 246-unit luxury building in the District’s Mount Vernon Triangle neighborhood, but she also was competing with the project’s developer, the JBG Cos.”

“Nineteen months after starting sales, JBG still had units to unload and was offering a year of no condo fees on one-bedroom units, an incentive Harris could not match. ‘I’m like, you guys are still here?’ she said.”

“There are 20,217 new condos on the market in the Washington metro area, by Delta’s count. Marketing on another 18,867 units is expected to begin in the next three years, said Gregory H. Leisch, CEO of Delta Associates, citing his firm’s midyear analysis of the condo market.”

“What’s hurting new projects the most are contract cancellations, when buyers back out of deals. ‘A lot of times these projects were sold out. But people would put down deposits and wouldn’t go through with the closing,’ said William Rich, VP of Delta.”

“For buyers, the competition can be a blessing. Thomas K. Meyer, president of real estate brokerage Condo 1 in Falls Church, said potential buyers should not be afraid to offer less than asking price, especially when they’re dealing with the developer.”

“‘It’s a much more competitive world for the builders now,’ he said, ‘and the farther away you get from Washington, the more competitive it is.’”

The Baltimore Sun from Maryland. “Real estate investors, leaping to buy Baltimore homes during the boom, helped fuel the frenzy and drive up prices in neighborhoods from Canton to Reservoir Hill. Now they’re part of the fallout.”

“Properties belonging to ‘nonowner occupiers,’ usually investors, accounted for nearly 30 percent of the city homes that lenders were trying to foreclose on during the first three months of the year, according to a Sun analysis.”

“In popular Canton, for instance, investor-owned real estate added up to more than half the 25 homes on the court foreclosure-filing rolls.”

“‘Some people just got left holding the bag,’ said T. Guy Cook… whose niche is lending to Baltimore real estate investors. ‘It was inevitable. You knew it was going to happen - it’s like musical chairs.’”

“The rising tide of foreclosures has swept up investors both novice and experienced, though it appears that the newcomers are far more numerous. They were ‘the most giddy of all,’ jumping in too late and paying too much, Cook said.”

“‘It’s been a nightmare,’ said Ndabezinhle Moyo, a Baltimore resident who began investing last year in several city neighborhoods. After a series of setbacks, he’s fighting to save four of his rentals - plus his own home - from foreclosure. ‘I was OK up until December. From December, I basically couldn’t make a single payment for anything till about April.’”

“Investors who descended on certain areas to buy, buy, buy during the housing boom helped drive prices up even further at the time, said Mark Fleming, chief economist with a firm that helps the mortgage-lending industry manage risk and fraud.”

“‘They artificially inflated values, in essence, because of their interest in bidding it up to get it away from the other investor,’ he said. ‘If you have concentrated investors in certain areas and then house prices start to move south or sideways, the ramification is their greater willingness to walk.’”

“A California mortgage fraud detection company, said just over 30 percent of the Baltimore loan applications it looked at in the first five months of the year had possible ‘property valuation’ problems, often inflated values. That compares with 8 percent nationwide.”

“‘A lot of people [who] got in, put a lot of money into fixing up houses and have loans, can’t sell them, they can’t rent them for enough to cover mortgages, and they’re stuck,’ said Alan Chantker, president of the Mid-Atlantic Real Estate Investors Association. ‘They may have thought they were going to be in and out of the home in six months, nine months - and then it turns into a year, a year and a half.’”

“Nobody expected the collapse of two New York hedge funds investing in subprime mortgages to kick up dust in Baltimore. Nobody expected a bunch of First Mariner’s mortgages in Northern Virginia to go bad less than three months after they were issued.”

“‘I’ve never had anything like this happen to me,’ First Mariner CEO Edwin F. Hale Sr. said last week.”

“Until very recently, economic optimists had comforted themselves with the notion that housing problems were ‘contained.’ Things would pick up in the spring home-buying season, people figured. But there was no season, it is now apparent.”

“The salve of federal money that has protected the Baltimore-Washington region from economic pain is losing its effectiveness. Half of First Mariner’s problem loans were in Northern Virginia, home of a defense-spending spree since 2001.”

“Hale thinks some of the mortgages may have been issued to ‘flippers’ seeking a quick buck, violating contract terms requiring the money to be applied to a primary residence. Even so, the delinquencies don’t speak well of the Northern Virginia economy or, by implication, Maryland’s, which has been operating in the same federal bubble.”

The Post Gazette from Pennsylvania. “David and Jerri Bauman, a mentally challenged couple who have scraped through life, wanted a home. It was supposed to be 22 Fairview Ave. in West View, a place sold to them amid a flurry of confusing paperwork they couldn’t read, a pair of unexplained bank transactions and at least three sales documents that contradict reality.”

“The lawyer who handled the transaction, according to Mrs. Bauman, told her it would take too long if they read everything. ‘We didn’t understand them. We just signed,’ Mrs. Bauman said.”

“Arnold Kogan, a veteran real estate attorney in Harrisburg, finds the deal a symptom of a reckless market. ‘It goes beyond that these people couldn’t pay. If this is systemic, it could be a much more problematic situation for the economy,’ Mr. Kogan said.”

The Philadelphia Inquirer from Pennsylvania. “Linda Reid-Williams is in trouble. Her mortgage payment is increasing about $200 next month, and she’s worried she can’t afford it.”

“Reid-Williams tried for months to refinance the house she bought in Yeadon eight years ago, but recently decided against it, to avoid a $4,000 penalty for paying off her existing loan early, she said.”

“This is quite a contrast from two years ago. When Reid-Williams refinanced in 2005, it seemed like the lender was coming to her rescue with money she needed to pay off her car and other bills. When it was too late, she read the fine print.”

“‘What did I just do?’ she recalled asking herself.”

“The result, according to Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Economy.com in West Chester, will be a surge in defaults this year and next. The impact already has been seen in Willingboro, where 436 houses were for sale last week, said Martha Lee Boyer, owner of Imani Realty & Associates, citing MLS data.”

“Boyer, whose business is based in Willingboro, said that in 2004 and 2005, the biggest number of listings at any one time would have been 100. Boyer said that while she continued to see home buyers who were trading up, ‘we’re still seeing more and more distressed sales.’”

“In 2005, more than half, 1,409 of 2,716, of the mortgage loans made in Willingboro were high-cost loans, based on a federal benchmark.”

The Morning Call from Pennsylvania. “The average price of a home in the Lehigh Valley rose 2 percent in the first half of the year. It’s been five years since home appreciation hit such a low level here.”

“The rate of appreciation has slowed as home sales have fallen and new listings have soared. For every one home that has sold this year, 2.5 homes have been listed for sale.”

“The volume of transactions has slowed to a crawl. ‘The Achilles heel of the housing market is volume,’ said Bethlehem economist Kamran Afshar. ‘Volume does drop. We are observing a significant drop right now in volume, and that is serious.’”

“Prospective buyers, on the other hand, felt no sense of urgency in the first half of the year because there were so many homes to choose among. ‘They don’t have a gun to their head so they are taking their time looking at a lot of properties,’ said Jeff Burnatowski, an agent in Allentown. ‘If they can’t strike up a deal to their terms, they just go on to the next home.’”

“In June, pending sales, a measure of future sales activity, were down 17 percent to 622 contracts, compared with the same period last year. Many suburban properties priced at $250,000 or more have idled this year. Burnatowski said those properties compete with newly-built homes, ‘where builders are giving mega discounts to move inventory, which is hurting resales. They have deeper pockets.’”

“In the Valley, a mix of local and national builders construct new homes and subdivisions. National builders have been facing a glut of unsold homes this year, according to the National Association of Home Builders.”

“To reduce inventory, builders have offered a large number of incentives, including premium flooring, decks and closing costs. That’s because builders with unsold houses in new subdivisions typically can’t lower sales prices because the other residents have paid a given price for their homes.”

“Real estate agents say factors such as high gas prices and the lengthy commute are also deterring some prospective buyers.”

“‘There was a great buzz about moving out here. Now the buzz in New York and New Jersey is: ‘It’s not quite as much paradise as they were saying,’ said Gail Hoover, a real estate agent in Center Valley.”




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Comment by qt
2007-07-30 06:33:41

There are two articles from CNN that are interesting. How quickly things can turn 180.

First—-
The investors: How to get rich trading “idiot” loans
Investors have made a fortune trading bonds backed by mortgages.
Money Magazine
By Stephen Gandel, Money Magazine senior writer
May 2 2007: 1:21 PM EDT
http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/01/real_estate/bubble_investors.moneymag/index.htm?postversion=2007050213

Second—-
Subprime fun sailing away
Hedge fund manager John Devaney looking to sell 142-foot yacht for $23.5 million after bad bet on subprime mortgage assets.
July 30 2007: 8:38 AM EDT
http://money.cnn.com/2007/07/30/news/newsmakers/yacht_sale/index.htm?postversion=2007073008

Comment by crisrose
2007-07-30 12:51:47

I’ve received more hits on my website from people googline Devaney than any other subject.

Comment by crisrose
2007-07-30 12:52:50

googling (!)

 
 
 
Comment by arizonadude
2007-07-30 06:37:02

“‘They artificially inflated values, in essence, because of their interest in bidding it up to get it away from the other investor,’ he said. ‘If you have concentrated investors in certain areas and then house prices start to move south or sideways, the ramification is their greater willingness to walk.’”

Welcome to california, florida, nevada, arizona………………

Comment by James
2007-07-30 07:00:11

add virginia/dc metro and NYC to the list

 
Comment by flatffplan
2007-07-30 07:17:33

deduct some areas w gas drilling and the rest is fcked- including Manhattan when the bonus $ dries up

 
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Comment by MadPiper863
2007-07-30 08:46:25

“Public records show that the home was refinanced four times in the past two years.”

Wow, just wow. Where did the money go? What bills did she have that were that bad? I just don’t get this.

Comment by turnoutthelights
2007-07-30 09:18:24

After refinancing more than a dozen times over the years to pull out money, the Gardners now owe $454,500 on the house. She thinks it is probably worth about $350,000.

Living off the past - with no concern for the future.

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Comment by Chuck Ponzi
2007-07-30 12:44:07

What’s sicker is that the house originally bought for $15K.

That’s just sick.

 
 
 
Comment by Olympiagal
2007-07-30 09:08:38

I read the stories. Sad.
Interesting that the refinancing went to pay for ‘credit card debt’ in two of the stories. I wonder how much stuff they have, and where they’ll be putting it after losing their homes?

 
Comment by Ghostwriter
2007-07-30 11:18:16

From the article:
The broker, who also acted as Pitts’ real estate agent, showed him the three-bedroom house on Oakland’s MacArthur Boulevard.

There’s one big problem. It should be illegal and a conflict of interest for a mortgage broker to act as a real estate agent in the same transaction.

It’s not enough to fine these companies like Ameriquest. Anyone who brokers a deal with shady financing should do jail time. Also anyone who signs loan papers with false info should join them. The problem is the penalities aren’t stiff enough to deter this kind of fraud.

 
 
Comment by ThomasPS
2007-07-30 09:25:05

create fake bids… this had been going on for a long time now.
Dare say the no doc and loose lending standards are not the reason we are seeing RE declines. The subprime mess is the by-product. Its all the fake bids created by realtors that has caused the mess in the first place. Eliminate any chance of realtors putting in fake bids and thus you will see real price declines…

““For buyers, the competition can be a blessing. Thomas K. Meyer, president of real estate brokerage Condo 1 in Falls Church, said potential buyers should not be afraid to offer less than asking price, especially when they’re dealing with the developer.”

As many older folks would tell you, lowballing was 100% common before 1995. They want 100 you offer 85… its simple stuff folks. I can recall many years ago many people would offer under the asking. Why anyone would even think of offering above asking is sheer stupidity

Comment by Housing Wizard
2007-07-30 11:19:19

You bring up good points that are often overlooked . A major problem with the run-up in real estate was the bizarre bidding up of prices ,that was simply funded by the money men .

At any step along the way during the RE boom had the decision makers said 10% or more appreciation is a “speculation mania “and its not sustainable in the long run ,the run-up could not of continued .

In the area I use to live in ,the values went up 25% in 2 months at the apex of the frenzy .

I think in past up RE markets that I have observed ,the lack of affordability put a natural wall on prices going up to much in a given month ,besides the lenders/appraisers just wouldn’t buy it . The lenders/appraisers would consider a up comp. a “high sale” and would than require that party to put more down until the market had been tested longer .The industry should of known that a bunch of short term low down speculators/flippers was a major factor driving up the demand .During a mania the buyer has no feel for correct pricing and they only see that they are in competition with other people . It’s doesn’t help when they have the industry telling them to “get in now or be priced out forever” ,or “You can’t afford not to buy “.

A borrower should consider the fact, if there was really that much real demand for a product ,eventually the market will respond to that demand and the supply will go up ,and often times it creates excess supply in the long run .

 
 
 
Comment by qt
2007-07-30 06:38:32

There are two articles from CNN that are interesting. How quickly things can turn 180.

First—
The investors: How to get rich trading “idiot” loans
Investors have made a fortune trading bonds backed by mortgages.
Money Magazine
By Stephen Gandel, Money Magazine senior writer
May 2 2007: 1:21 PM EDT
http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/01/real_estate/bubble_investors.moneymag/index.htm?postversion=2007050213

Second—-
Subprime fun sailing away
Hedge fund manager John Devaney looking to sell 142-foot yacht for $23.5 million after bad bet on subprime mortgage assets.
July 30 2007: 8:38 AM EDT
http://money.cnn.com/2007/07/30/news/newsmakers/yacht_sale/index.htm?postversion=2007073008

 
Comment by qt
2007-07-30 06:39:23

There are two articles from CNN that are interesting. How quickly things can turn 180.

First—-
The investors: How to get rich trading “idiot” loans
Investors have made a fortune trading bonds backed by mortgages.
Money Magazine
By Stephen Gandel, Money Magazine senior writer
May 2 2007: 1:21 PM EDT

Second—-
Subprime fun sailing away
Hedge fund manager John Devaney looking to sell 142-foot yacht for $23.5 million after bad bet on subprime mortgage assets.
July 30 2007: 8:38 AM EDT

 
Comment by qt
2007-07-30 06:45:45

sorry, i forgot the links

first
http://tinyurl.com/29llqn

second
http://tinyurl.com/2qxf2p

 
Comment by qt
2007-07-30 06:48:44

“The housing boom was good to John Devaney. Really good. He owns a Rolls-Royce, a Gulfstream Jet, a 12,000-square-foot mansion in Key Biscayne and a 143-foot yacht, as well as a few Renoirs and a valuable 1823 reproduction of the Declaration of Independence.”

“A hedge fund manager whose fund ran into trouble from the sell-off in securities backed by subprime mortgages is having to put his huge yacht up for sale, seeking $23.5 million.

John Devaney, the CEO of United Capital Markets, a fund that specializes in buying and selling bonds that are backed by the mortgage payments, particularly adjustable rate subprime mortgages, has put his 142-foot yacht ‘Positive Carry’ up for sale, according to a yacht broker’s Web site.”

Comment by Tom
2007-07-30 07:11:25

I heard there is not only a housing glut, but there will soon be a yacht glut too.

Comment by combotechie
2007-07-30 07:17:48

And a truck glut, an RV glut, a jet ski glut - a glut of all kinds of expensive toys.

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Comment by jim A
2007-07-30 07:20:44

Another reason that I’m trying to save some cash up. Next year alot of slightly used durable toys will be for sale.

 
Comment by Bill in Phoenix
2007-07-30 07:26:59

America has a gut glut too.

 
Comment by flatffplan
2007-07-30 07:52:51

that’s been reclassified as a desease- along w video game addiction

 
Comment by Mole Man
2007-07-30 09:34:51

More like the biochemistry of what is going on is finally being understood. Metabolic Syndrome is a complex process that many Americans will ride all the way to Diabetes and beyond. This actually increases understanding of what is going on and what should be done about it. The credit blowout is in some ways similar, but people cannot live without eating the way they can live without spending or bartering.

 
 
 
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Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-30 07:27:53

“Hedge fund manager John Devaney looking to sell 142-foot yacht for $23.5 million after bad bet on subprime mortgage assets.
July 30 2007: 8:38 AM EDT”

It’s all good, as I am sure some other hedge fund manager who took the good bet against subprime mortgage assets is waiting in the wings to snap up that 142-foot yacht…

 
 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2007-07-30 06:40:19

It would be interesting to know how the percentage of foreclosed and about-to-be foreclosed homes breaks down into the following categories.

1. Toxic loans made to earnest people who didn’t or couldn’t read or understand the terms.

2. Flippers who are now stuck. Consider that some (how many?) flippers own multiple properties.

3. People who have owned their homes for some number of years, but who HELOCed or refi’ed all the equity out for whatever reason.

4. Straight-out fraudsters.

Anyone care to guess?

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2007-07-30 06:49:18

My own guess, on a nationwide basis, would be:
1: 20% 2: 40% 3: 20% 4: 20%

In bubbly areas like Florida, I think category 2 would be higher, so the distribution would be more like 1: 15% 2: 50% 3: 15% 4: 20%

 
Comment by Tom
2007-07-30 07:10:47

All I know is the majority of those won’t be reentering the buying pool anytime soon.

Comment by Neil
2007-07-30 09:04:55

I wish category #2 and #4 would just leave the gene pool. ;)

Category #3 gets no pity. Enjoy the RV, it will save you staying at the motel 6 after the credit is toast.

This will be interesting, for these people were the big spenders of the last five years.

Got popcorn?
Neil

Comment by Tom
2007-07-30 10:27:57

I agree. If you are a flipper, do something! Don’t just buy it, slap on some paint and then turn aruond and sell it for 500k when you bought it for 100k. I don’t mind the ones who know what their doing and take run down homes in nice neighborhoods and refurb them. That is legitimate. There was one where a handicapped guy was flipping houses. He did some great work at good prices. I think making money was important but he also got a lot of joy out of his work. Those people I like.

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Comment by Ghostwriter
2007-07-30 11:26:27

I finally caught the property ladder show from July 21st last night. OMG. I could not believe the shoody work they did on that house. Then the realtors said it would sell for $325-339k and it sold for $370, patched carpets, bright blue countertops, molding that didn’t meet, and flooring that didn’t go all the way to the wall and all.

 
Comment by best wishes
2007-07-30 11:39:44

Hi Ghostwriter,
I saw that same show. I couldn’t believe that dog of a house sold for $370,000. After seeing that show you know this housing mess is going to end very ugly. Just totally unbelievable.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by DC_Too
2007-07-30 06:42:34

Oh, great. A typical, soft soap “great time to buy” article from the Post. Condo, anyone?

Sales volume has plummeted on these things. Over 50%, I think, is what has been reported, and the real truth is careful guarded by the industry.

And these buildings are on the edge of a “gentrifying” area downtown. Lot’s of restaurants, etc., in one direction, no-man’s-land in the other. Still very little in the way of residential amenities, like a supermarket. Good luck finding a loaf of bread or a can of lima beans to all you “lucky buyers.”

Comment by polly
2007-07-30 08:34:53

And good luck with general maintenance of common areas when your neighbors stop paying the condo fee and the corporation the developer put the building in is bankrupt. You can just pay for it all yourself (or with 2 or 3 of your responsible neighbors) or do without while the building deteriorates at a rapid clip because nothing that breaks ever gets fixed.

Comment by rainmayun
2007-07-30 10:19:14

that is the main reason I am afraid of buying into any of these new “luxury” condo developments, even at a fair price… the standard of living won’t hold up. of course, slum lords will make a killing off these in a few years, housing crowded families, college students and the like.

Comment by virginian
2007-07-30 21:46:37

Newark, NJ has many such luxurious penhouses

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Comment by virginian
2007-07-30 21:44:30

DC_Too, I am not sure what part of DC you had in mind, but i do see a lot of condos who do not have neither supermarket nor restaurants near by, or even sufficient parking. NoVA is simmilar. Many condos are still not occupied and Arlington is full of new residential towers in process, around rt 1, by Rosslyn, by Army Navy Drive..

 
 
Comment by arlingtonva
2007-07-30 06:55:33

“So she offered Johnson the full price but asked for a closing cost subsidy. Johnson agreed to $9,000. The agents struck a deal in May.”

They made the deal! You see, things are tough but not that bad.

 
Comment by RJ
2007-07-30 07:01:22

The broker that got the Baumans bought should be horsewhipped.

Comment by MadPiper863
2007-07-30 09:01:11

The four horrors would be to good for that fine human being…

Comment by Mole Man
2007-07-30 09:38:18

What is with the punishment fantasies. With proper regulation and oversight most of these deals would never have happened in the first place. Shouldn’t we be more interested in setting bounds and seeing they are kept?

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2007-07-30 09:38:41

“David and Jerri Bauman, a mentally challenged couple”

i studied a tiny bit of contract law and i coulda sworn there was something about “Incapacity” in there someplace..

Comment by Former FB
2007-07-30 09:50:52

Yeah, but that could describe almost any FB household.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2007-07-30 13:55:02

hehe.. yeah.. there’s a definite common thread of incapacity of some sort, attributable to all FBs, but i’m thinking the legal definition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacity_%28law%29

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by exeter
2007-07-30 07:07:59

‘They don’t have a gun to their head so they are taking their time looking at a lot of properties,’ said Jeff Burnatowski, an agent in Allentown.

So the dumb asses that just didn’t have the mental fortitude to say no to speculation from 2001-2005 had a loaded 45 to their empty skulls? Gimme a break.

 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-30 07:09:18

“The volume of transactions has slowed to a crawl. ‘The Achilles heel of the housing market is volume,’ said Bethlehem economist Kamran Afshar. ‘Volume does drop. We are observing a significant drop right now in volume, and that is serious.’”

“Volume drop” = Main Street’s mirror image reflection of Wall Street’s credit crunch.

If you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes back into you.

–Friedrich Nietzsche–

Comment by JWM in SD
2007-07-30 08:34:53

Volume always precedes price…always. Got it LAIG???

 
 
Comment by ChrisO
2007-07-30 07:18:20

In my Arlington neighborhood, 22202, we hadn’t seen the forest of “for sale” signs everyone else has been talking about. Until the last couple of weeks. Now it seems like half the ‘hood is up for sale. And this in a neighborhood of old SFHs with a very desirable location. I’ve seen maybe a house or two out of those actually change hands. Couple of “under contracts” fall through, and a whole bunch of houses just sitting there unoccupied.

Comment by arlingtonva
Comment by ChrisO
2007-07-30 09:14:34

“Zoso” “Phoenix” “Joule” “Eclipse”

Does every Arlington condo have to have a really stupid name? That alone would scare me away from buying. Sounds like names for a day spa.

 
 
Comment by flatffplan
2007-07-30 07:53:56

the illegals from PW and Loudoun co are on the way

Comment by ChrisO
2007-07-30 08:57:26

Oh, Arlington has plenty of those already.

 
 
Comment by virginian
2007-07-30 21:51:04

It goes in waves. I remember forest of sign around March. They were everywhere, on Walter Reed Rd, S. Glebe, Col Pike. Some blocks almost 1/2 homes on sales. But i did not see any sales. Some homes around my area are empty for very long time, simply nobody lives in them. Signs disappear and are shown again couple weeks later.

 
 
Comment by eaton98
2007-07-30 07:27:45

I lived in Baltimore for six years. The city really does have a great history and charm that I find missing in DC.

That said, I would never live in Canton and find few palces really safe. Like most of Baltimore, the very nice and pricey areas are surrounded by trash. The million dollar homes are one block away from squalor. The city paper did a story in 2003 regarding the gangs that have to walk merely one or two blocks to mug (or worse) their victims. This story is a must read:

http://www.citypaper.com/news/story.asp?id=3338

These stories were, unfortunately, hardly rare.

The biotech park going up on the east side near Johns Hopkins is littered with blue lights (Baltimore City police department cameras). I know several people that work at JH that had their car broken into on a regular basis. Few want to work in that area, let alone live there. Imagine a doctor, a prime target, walking home.

Also many are planning to rake in the big bucks with BRAC, but there is so much misinformation out there regarding this (how many jobs are really coming, exactly when they are coming) and now NJ is fighting to keep their base open:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-md.brac21jul21,0,3084713.story?track=rss

Comment by ChrisO
2007-07-30 08:58:48

My Aunt-in-Law, who was born and raised in Baltimore, told me the following saying: there are only two bad parts of Baltimore - East Baltimore and West Baltimore.

 
Comment by mrquoi
2007-07-30 09:01:59

Legend has it that USC medical (the same kind of area as JHU) at one point had a staff policy that noone could leave the hospital after 9. The parking lot was like the OK Corral for gangs every night and then sometimes the gangs would chase each other into the ER. The ER in Pomona has bulletproof doors and occasional lockdowns even today. Oh a house nearby either will still cost you $400-$500K.

Comment by ChrisO
2007-07-30 09:09:48

The scary thing about Baltimore is that one block will be highly gentrified, and the next block is a war zone. And they all look like the same anonymous row houses to an outsider. They’ve renovated the area around the Inner Harbor to make it tourist-friendly, but you go a couple of blocks away after dark and it looks like “Escape from New York.”

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2007-07-30 09:22:11

We had many a great day in “Ballimer” when we lived in Annapolis. Orioles games, the aquarium, the Inner Harbor, Little Italy… We even took our 21′ runabout up from its South River marina to the Inner Harbor a couple of times.

Too bad the gangs are taking it over.

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Comment by MazNJ
2007-07-30 09:51:32

Now, ignoring the fact I hear the bugle from Ft. Monmouth every night before I go to bed, everyone had pretty much given up hope on keeping the place open up until apparently a few things came up: 1) apparently the structures required at the new site havent been built yet and 2) what was originally anticipated to be a bidding war for the land is now hearing just the chirping of crickets.

 
 
Comment by Mugsy
2007-07-30 07:42:02

“That’s because builders with unsold houses in new subdivisions typically can’t lower sales prices because the other residents have paid a given price for their homes.”

Since when did it become “illegal” for builders to lower their prices so as not to offend the previous buyers? If I were a builder, the “good will” would be out the door and I would be hacking prices left and right.

Comment by ChrisO
2007-07-30 07:46:00

It’s probably not illegal per se, but perhaps the previous buyers would have some sort of contractual recourse if the buyer undercuts them.

Comment by ChrisO
2007-07-30 07:46:25

Excuse me, that should read “if the builder undercuts them.”

 
Comment by Mikey(2)
2007-07-30 08:10:52

It’s probably not illegal per se, but perhaps the previous buyers would have some sort of contractual recourse if the buyer undercuts them.

These disgruntled buyers hire shyster lawyers who fabricate a claim of fraud or other contractual misdeed, and the builder settles the case because it’s cheaper to settle than litigate. Not sure why the builders don’t file counter claims against the buyers and recoup their costs; I’d guess because they couldn’t collect on the judgments against these already overextended fools.

 
Comment by polly
2007-07-30 08:41:03

If there is a contractual recourse, then it will certainly have an expiration date or an expiration event. If it is a date, I’d guess it is no more than 2 or 3 years. If it is an event, it might be the final sale by the developer in that particular subdivision.

Either one would be very interesting to watch.

 
Comment by polly
2007-07-30 08:42:36

Also, it might not be a contratual recourse issue, but the current residents of the subdivision may have some influence as to what the developer can do with the rest of the land.

 
 
 
Comment by eaton98
2007-07-30 07:45:30

I lived in Baltimore for six years. The city really does have a great history and charm that I find really missing in DC.

That said, I would never live in Canton and find few palces really safe. Like most of Baltimore, the very nice and pricey areas are surrounded by trash. The million dollar homes are one block away from squalor. The city paper did a story in 2003 regarding the gangs that have to walk merely one or two blocks to mug (or worse) their victims. This story is a must read:

http://www.citypaper.com/news/story.asp?id=3338

These stories were, unfortunately, hardly rare.

Another problem is the biotech park going up on the east side near Johns Hopkins. That area is littered with blue lights (Baltimore City police department cameras). I know several people that work at JH that had their car broken into on a regular basis. Few want to work in that area, let alone live there. Imagine a doctor, a prime target, walking home.

Also many are planning to rake in the big bucks with BRAC, but there is so much misinformation out there regarding this (how many jobs are really coming, exactly when they are coming) and now NJ is fighting to keep their base open:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-md.brac21jul21,0,3084713.story?track=rss

Comment by Mugsy
2007-07-30 09:24:50

I fixed medical lasers at Johns Hopkins and many times they would ask me to come in after 7 pm to work on problems that they didn’t want touched during the day when it would interfere with their schedule. I always politely refused due to personal safety concerns.

 
 
Comment by Lehigh Valley
2007-07-30 08:25:41

The Morning Call are the biggest cheerleaders for realtors. In January of this year they reported on how since 2006 the population has “NOT” been rising. The whole article was on how the “COMMUTERS STOPPED” moving here in 2006 and how 2007 was even “SLOWER”. That was of course during the time of “HOUSING CORRECTION IN THE SPRING”. Now that the correction isn’t happening and homes are sitting, all homes even the one’s priced under 200k are sitting for 6 months to 1 year (52 days average is such a LIE). Local’s are the one’s who didn’t buy during the boom and they will not overpay for these dumps. Until housing costs get back to normal (PRE 2000 PRICES), nobody is buying.

The Lehigh Valley is crashing slowly but wait until 2009 it’s going to be a nasty place around here, McMansion’s sitting in Sameville, USA divisions sitting empty and prices back to 1996 or worse. The average local family earns under 50k, houses need to get back to under 100k for them too buy again. They will and I love watching foreclosures & homes sit on the market.

 
Comment by Tom
2007-07-30 08:47:06

So which hedge funds will blow up next?

Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-30 08:56:11

Which hedge funds have already drowned in highly leveraged bets gone bad, but haven’t delivered the bad news yet?

 
 
Comment by GetStucco
2007-07-30 08:54:48

“‘I’m like, you guys are still here?’ she said.”

‘Like yeah. D’oh!’

 
Comment by chicken little CT
2007-07-30 09:48:21

LOL!! its finally getting good around here! Lets all join them for lunch!! :)
http://newyork.craigslist.org/fct/rfs/385213693.html

 
Comment by Darrell_in _PHX
2007-07-30 10:15:34

Don’t you love how everyone on this board is a bunch of no ones? “No one expected… No one expected… No one expected…” BULL!!!!!

Comment by NeilT
2007-07-30 10:26:01

Exactly. Too bad the ‘Nobody’ and the generic ‘people’ didn’t read this blog.

“Nobody expected the collapse of two New York hedge funds …
… Nobody expected a bunch of First Mariner’s mortgages in Northern Virginia to go bad less…

“‘I’ve never had anything like this happen to me,’ First Mariner CEO Edwin F. Hale Sr. said…

“Until very recently, economic optimists had comforted themselves with the notion that housing problems were ‘contained.’ Things would pick up in the spring home-buying season, people figured…

 
 
Comment by Arwen U.
2007-07-30 14:47:58

The phone rang today. It was a number I didn’t recognize. It was Ryan Homes calling. The chipper lady said “we realize we haven’t called you in a year, and we wanted to know if you were still in the market for a house”. I remembered I must have signed a card a year ago at an open house.

She proceeded to ask “what’s the most important thing for you in a house?”

I said, “Price.”

Other end . . . sputter . . . oh, well, but what’s the most important thing for you in a house?

I said again “Well, the price is the most important thing to me in a house”.

We also determined that she didn’t have any houses for sale in my part of the County. So we ended the call amiably.

 
Comment by Ostriches
2007-07-30 19:10:52

But, but, I thought DC MEtro was different because of the Federal Government?

Comment by virginian
2007-07-30 22:10:48

Federal government did boom after 2001, but since 2005 there is significant push to reduce cost, freeze employement, and save money. I have seen many contractors who did not get their contract renewed past couple months. Some FED areas operates only on 1/3 of people than they did 4 years ago. There is widespread believe outside Beltway, that everyone within agencies makes tons of money. Except for a fews (lawyers), many are happy to earn 40-60K in city, where the cost is 4th highest in the nation. Laudon and Fairfac Co do not represent true wealth of DC metro area. Another issue is perspective employement for young people; I never have seen so many geronts at jobs like here in DC. The same job is done by 20-30-something everywhere else. Go to any IT, civil eng. or electronic dept around DC. Majority of these guys are one way to the retirement and nobody is training new young people. Therefore, they do not settle here, start their families, and buying houses. Instead you see many of them sharing house with the same age group. The boom could not go forever, if income in DC does not match up demographics and cost. And you do not see many children in DC, but you see many McMansion in suburbia.

 
 
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