September 7, 2007

The Get-Rich-Quick Scheme Doesn’t Always Work

The Dallas Morning News reports from Texas. “For thousands of Texas homeowners, the check isn’t in the mail. Almost 6.5 percent of the state’s mortgage holders are late with their monthly payment, the latest survey finds. That’s higher than the national loan delinquency rate of 5.12 percent, the Mortgage Bankers Association reported.”

“With a rooftop deck and sweeping views of downtown, the three-story townhome is barely 2 years old. This luxury residence east of downtown is in move-in condition and priced to sell.”

“‘It’s now priced $279,000,’ said real estate agent Alicia Duffy, showing off her 2-month-old listing. ‘We started out at $295,000.’”

“The 1,947-square-foot townhouse was previously owned by an out-of-state investor who hoped to make a killing in the Dallas housing market. That didn’t happen. Now it’s one of more than 14,000 foreclosed properties for sale in North Texas.”

“By some estimates, foreclosed homes now make up more than a quarter of the residential properties for sale in North Texas.”

“Ms. Duffy said the investor that owned the East Dallas townhouse ‘never even saw the property’ and was part of a group that bought up homes in the neighborhood hoping to flip them and make money. She said about 50 percent of her residential sales business now comes from the resale of foreclosed real estate.”

“Connie Zetterlund, (an) agent who specializes in foreclosures, predicts lenders will have to significantly cut prices to move properties. Standing in the front yard of one of her listings in DeSoto, she pointed to ‘for sale’ signs peppered along the block.”

“‘That’s a foreclosure, and that one and there’s another one around the corner,’ said Ms. Zetterlund. ‘This is a good neighborhood, but a lot of owners were hit by adjustable-rate loan payments that got too high.’”

“Her listing has been on the market since June, and the price has been cut about $7,600 to $285,900. ‘I’ve probably got 50 other foreclosure listings and another 20 on the way,’ Ms. Zetterlund said. ‘The number of these on the market is going up, up, up.’”

The Gazette from Colorado. “The Pikes Peak region’s housing market received more bad news Tuesday: The number of homeowners falling behind in their mortgage payments continues to climb.”

“El Paso County foreclosures rose about 20 percent in August when compared with the same month last year, according to the El Paso County Public Trustee’s Office. Also, for the first eight months of the year, foreclosures were up about one-third over the same period in 2006.”

“When lenders take back a home to satisfy an unpaid debt, they sometimes sell it at a discount, which can drag down values of nearby properties, real estate experts and economists say. Also, rising numbers of foreclosed homes coming back on the market add to an already flush inventory of resales and new homes for sale.”

“If two homes among 10 properties in a particular area go into foreclosure and are later sold, appraisers who help determine values on other homes that are going on the market will consider the lower prices the foreclosed homes probably sold for, said Benjamin Day, a broker associate in Colorado Springs.”

“The housing market isn’t just about numbers, it’s also about perception, Day said. Many homebuyers who read about rising foreclosures worry that the housing market is unhealthy and that it’s better for them to sit tight, he said.”

“‘You sit on the fence,’ Day said. ‘It encourages sitting-onthe-fence behavior. You’re more apt to find fault (with the housing market). There isn’t something emotionally compelling to push buyers into buying something.’”

“There’s also a strange split among homebuyers, Day said. Local residents might get turned off by rising numbers of foreclosures, but out-of-towners moving to the Springs see the huge supply and reasonable prices and think they’ve hit the jackpot, he said.”

The Rocky Mountain News from Colorado. “A year ago, state and local officials encouraged the Federal Reserve to implement moves to deal with the growing foreclosure crisis in Colorado.”

“On Tuesday, the Federal Reserve did just that, issuing a special ‘guidance’ urging loan service companies nationwide to work with borrowers who are in danger of defaulting on their mortgages.”

“Bob Davis, a Denver-area Realtor for almost 40 years, said the Federal Reserve’s plan is a good one, but warned it may be too late to help much in Colorado. ‘The water is already under the bridge,’ said Davis. ‘This should have happened years ago.’”

The Denver Post from Colorado. “When Anita Criticos bought her house in Aurora’s Del Mar neighborhood 10 years ago, most people living there owned their homes. Today, Del Mar is a collection of well-cared-for homes scattered among vacant houses with peeling paint and overgrown yards. Most homes are rentals, and For Sale signs are prevalent.”

“Del Mar has emerged as the metro-area neighborhood hit hardest by skyrocketing foreclosures and plummeting home values, according to an analysis by Your Castle Real Estate. In the past year, 71 percent of the 91 homes sold in Del Mar were either foreclosures or ’short sales.’”

“Criticos paid about $65,000 for her small two-bedroom house 10 years ago and watched it soar in value to about $150,000 by 2003. But by the time Criticos tried to sell her home last year, the value had dropped to about $113,000. She ended up pulling it off the market.”

“Of the 51 homes sold in Jefferson Park during the past year, 20 percent were either foreclosures or short sales, but the average value of the homes increased 24 percent to $247,000.”

“‘I can imagine that houses that were changing hands were probably not owner occupied,’ said David Zucker, a developer who’s building condos in the area. ‘My guess is that there were guys buying a second or third rental home and cutting pretty close and began to have some financial difficulty. They were getting squeezed by an adjustable-rate mortgage and one of their three holdings were tanking.’”

“Broker Brad Evans said the foreclosures are more likely a result of fix-and-flip buyers who didn’t know what they were doing. ‘The get-rich-quick scheme doesn’t always work,’ he said.”

The Aspen Daily News from Colorado. “According to an Aug. 30 Colorado Division of Housing foreclosure report, 19,460 foreclosures were filed as of the end of the second quarter of 2007. According to the report, ‘the most significant foreclosure activity is on the Front Range. The counties with the most foreclosure filings per household were Adams, Weld, Arapahoe, Denver, and Pueblo.’”

“‘There is definitely a crisis going on right now,’ says Drew Sakson, Aspen branch manager for Residential Pacific Mortgage. ‘Across the country we’re seeing banks go out of business on a daily basis. But it really hasn’t hit the valley yet. It’s just the tip of the iceberg nationally, and by the summer of 2008 we’ll definitely start to see some of the effects here.’”

“‘What’s insulating the valley is increasing prices,’ Sakson says. ‘As the prices go up, people who own homes are able to refinance because they have enough equity in the house. And many of the people upvalley have multiple properties and lots of financial strength. This means that if they get into trouble, they can set the price on their house low and sell.’”

“‘We did a lot of subprime lending from Rifle to Basalt starting back in 1996,’ Sakson says. ‘But we stopped three years ago. Because when you’re setting someone up with a $400,000 or $500,000 house and giving them a high-interest loan at 9 percent, you’re setting them up for failure.’”

“Foreclosures have steadily climbed every year since the Colorado Division of Housing started keeping statistics in 2003. In ‘03, there were 13,573 foreclosures, 16,801 in 2004, 21,782 in 2005, and 28,435 in 2006. The yearly increase in foreclosures for each year ranged between 24 and 30 percent.”

“According to the Colorado Division of Housing foreclosure report, 38,000 foreclosures are expected by the end of 2007, a 34 percent increase over 2006.”

“‘Ultimately, I don’t see this affecting the upper valley very much,’ Sakson says. ‘I’m a bit worried about Basalt on down, because there’s a lot of housing that’s going to come on the market in the next 12 to 14 months. We’ll definitely see a burp as supply increases and people aren’t as easily able to sell off their house when trouble hits.’”




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Comment by txchick57
2007-09-07 07:02:18

Ben, you devil. I didn’t see that Morning Snooze story! Oh man, right in my backyard. When the epitaph for all this is written, I hope someone remembers ol TX chick was bearish all along on the Dallas market while everyone else was telling me I was crazy.

Comment by fran chise
2007-09-08 06:14:45

And Texans (other than you) should have been the wiser since Texas was ground zero with the housing bust of the mid ’80s. How short our memories are.

 
 
Comment by Ex-Californian
2007-09-07 07:04:10

TXChick for president!

 
Comment by Ex-Californian
2007-09-07 07:05:41

Oh, btw, terrible jobs report out this morning… DOWN 4,000.

Big surprise, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight????

Not to us, but apparently to all of the “experts” on tv. Bwahahahaha

Comment by Craven Moorehead
2007-09-07 07:34:23

Whitehouse spokesman says “recession is unlikely” and the sluggish housing market will last a few more months. LOL. Just LOL. The spin is getting more and more desperate and boldly false.

Comment by Lost in Utah
2007-09-07 08:04:27

“‘Ultimately, I don’t see this affecting the upper valley very much,’ Sakson says. ‘I’m a bit worried about Basalt on down, because there’s a lot of housing that’s going to come on the market in the next 12 to 14 months. We’ll definitely see a burp as supply increases and people aren’t as easily able to sell off their house when trouble hits.’”

The Aspen and downvalley market is already starting to show serious signs of the housing downturn. All he has to do is open a RE magazine and look at the reduced properties. This area is ridiculously high. 1950s houses at 1200 sq ft on small lots in Glenwood are going for 500k and up. Nowhere to go but down. Happened in the mid-80s, I bought a 2000 sq ft house on acreage near a ski area for 100k, and I overpaid by about 10k, just wanted the property. You could buy anything in the valley for cheap. Prob won’t go that low again (for sure not in Aspen), but who knows?

Comment by Lost in Utah
2007-09-07 08:05:52

As an aside, I’ve never understood why Aspen’s supposed to be so desireable. Next to Vail, it’s the ugliest ski town in Colorado. Telluide I understand, but not Aspen.

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Comment by santacruzsux
2007-09-07 08:37:31

We stopped in Vail during our cross country trip and all I can say is that the valley is just an overdeveloped craphole. The last time I was in Vail was in the late 70’s and it was still rather quaint and the valley wasn’t so overdeveloped. I guess that’s progress.

 
 
Comment by Blano
2007-09-07 12:27:29

Aspen, Basalt, ahhhh, the memories. I lived right on top of the Roaring Fork River in Woody Creek. Monster nachos, pitcher of beer, and a nicely stacked waitress at Woody Creek Tavern. A fun time in my life.

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Comment by fisher
2007-09-07 13:40:23

Ever run into HST at the tavern?

 
Comment by Blano
2007-09-08 08:10:39

Yeah, a few times. Never bothered him though, other than a hello nod. He usually sat in the corner by himself reading. Or maybe he was tripping, lol.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by weez
2007-09-07 07:10:03

I would tend to believe alot more people made money on this boom than will lose money in the bust. As some of these properties sold multiple times in a year for a profit but only one bagholder. Any flaws with this thinking?

mike

Comment by txchick57
2007-09-07 07:13:33

Yes. People who “made money” never had the sense to walk away. Review this blog and you will see story after story about the ones who had a few winners and kept on “investing” - losing it all on the last dice roll.

Comment by ex-nnvmtgbrkr
2007-09-07 07:33:03

How many people do you know actually had the sense to take their chips off the table in the dot-com bust?

Comment by txchick57
2007-09-07 07:42:08

Right. Same thing. They’re called “bull market geniuses.”

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Comment by jckirlan
2007-09-07 08:18:36

Notme certainly. I was the idiot who road it down to the bottom so I understand the psychology very well of bubbles.

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Comment by Ex-Californian
2007-09-07 07:15:41

The only flaw is “assuming” that those people who made money actually kept it or saved it.

Just look at gamblers for some insight. Many make $$$ sometime during the day (at the casino); but most, if not all, will lose it by the end of the day.

I personally know 3 “flippers” who made tons of $$$ in California during 2003-2005, and are now under water and close to foreclosure on most of their properties. They HELOC’ed to the hilt, and SPENT the dough in stupid thing and more flips. Now the piper is asking for payment and they don’t can’t pay. And no, they didn’t stash it somewhere for a rainy day.

A fool and his/her (easy) money are soon parted…

Comment by Neil
2007-09-07 07:48:47

I cannot believe the number of coworkers who own five or more properties. Most made out like bandits during the boom. Now? They all are claiming just one or two properties that are not “cash flowing” that they are trying to sell. I’m going to be very curious to see how they do when the mortgages reset.

Got popcorn?
Neil

 
Comment by Ghostwriter
2007-09-07 12:28:19

I think the ones that made money in the boom will probably be the biggest losers, and I don’t mean weight. The more they made, the bigger and bigger the risks they took until they’re even more upside down than a lot of people.

 
 
Comment by ex-nnvmtgbrkr
2007-09-07 07:22:03

Mike……..dude……what’s in the coffee this morning?

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2007-09-07 07:41:18

‘Any flaws with this thinking?’

Yes.

Comment by jetson_boy
2007-09-07 08:02:41

My guess would be that of those that made the most money in the boom, retirees probably made out like bandits. Many of these people who lived in places like CA and the Northeast sold their overpriced homes and moved elsewhere. I’d say they probably had to do the least work for the most profit.

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2007-09-07 08:14:13

At Burning Man last week, amongst my campmates was a couple that sold their house in el lay a couple years ago and moved to Hawaii, where they bought 2 houses, 1 to live in and 1 on speculation…

They told me, they wished they had rented just the house they are living in, instead.

They would be a pretty common story of Californication, as what happens when equity refugees spread their financial wings in other states…

Comment by ex-nnvmtgbrkr
2007-09-07 08:35:13

Bubble talk at Burning Man? That just seems so wrong.

Comment by aladinsane
2007-09-07 12:28:19

One of the things I like most about Burning Man, is the idea of taking 50,000 bright people and divorcing them from the information ago for a week or so…

I had no idea what happened for 8 days in the outside world, nor did I want to.

The real fun takes place at night, when like last week, it was around 60-70 degrees, with little wind and lots of fire and light.

During the day, most people hang out under shade structures, talking about this, that and whatever. Occasionally you’ll take a 20 minute bike ride or 2, but it’s hot, like 100 degrees or so.

Old school information age.

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Comment by txchick57
2007-09-07 07:18:12

Notice CFC now trading under the convertible price.

That is either a flush and great buying opp for a short squeeze following a rate cut or it was the last time you’ll see 18 for years.

I’m in a crazy mood so I bought 1000 shares in the 17s. Won’t hesitate to dump if it doesn’t behave well on a rate cut.

Comment by Nick
2007-09-07 12:14:03

You’re braver than I am. You might want to put some stops in.

 
Comment by uptown
2007-09-07 12:36:38

I think you’ll find the rate cut is already priced into the market. Makes it even worse if there is no rate cut.

 
 
Comment by Sobay
2007-09-07 07:18:32

“The housing market isn’t just about numbers, it’s also about perception, Day said. Many homebuyers who read about rising foreclosures worry blah blah…

Sorry Mr Day, the bottom line is income to debt ratio.

Comment by Neil
2007-09-07 07:52:43

Many homebuyers who read about rising foreclosures worry blah blah…

Many homebuyers are far over their head! At some point you have to get off the HELCO merry go round. For many people, that time has come. For more… its soon. (If you haven’t read the Credit Suisse report, please do!)

http://www.billcara.com/CS%20Mar%2012%202007%20Mortgage%20and%20Housing.pdf
Neil

 
Comment by slowburn
2007-09-07 07:56:09

So right Sobay. This comment is absolutely sickening. I despise the REIC beyond words. I hope they all end up living in cardboard boxes under an underpass.
Perception was also big during the dotcom days, as investors were told that it was a new ‘model’ and cash flows didn’t matter. The new ‘model’ this time incorporated fraudulent credit ratings, criminal accounting principles, and massive expansion of credit/liquidity.
This thing is only in the top of the second inning. Total meltdown will be the middle of next year.

Comment by Lost in Utah
2007-09-07 08:13:29

pereception isn’t only determined by the REICs and MSM. I don’t know if I believe in a collective subconcious (prob not), but there seems to be something to waves of opinion sweeping across the country, and the RE debacle is becoming more of a force in people’s thinking. Blogs like this are partly to blame - ha! It’s all Ben’s fault! Kudos to Ben.

 
 
 
Comment by Ex-Californian
2007-09-07 07:22:03

Realtwhore sob story alert!!!!!!!!!!

As Housing Market Cools, Far Fewer Become Agents
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/07/business/07agents.html?_r=2&ref=business&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Ahhhhhh, I love the smell of burning realtwhores in the morning!

Comment by dannll
2007-09-07 12:18:17

“Mr. Haddadin is now weighing his options. He might seek a job in information technology again, or perhaps help a friend open an Italian restaurant in Miami Beach, while selling real estate on the side.”
Hah!! Double loser…The two toughest ways to make a living combined…Food and real estate. Good luck with that. Find a BK lawyer now. You’ll need her/him soon.

Comment by Gadfly
2007-09-07 12:39:57

Question: How do you make a small fortune in the restaurant biz?
Answer: Start with a large fortune!

Comment by Professor Bear
2007-09-07 14:18:27

Q: How do you lose a fortune in the real estate investing biz?
A: Start with a large fortune!

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Comment by Poshboy
2007-09-07 07:56:09

Interesting news today from the London Daily Telegraph about China possibly dumping US T-bills on the sly. They know the dollar is toast, and want to limit their exposure to it. I bet the Fed does not drop the 5.25 rate come 18 Sept for this exact reason–foreign fears of the dollar’s decline in value.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/09/05/bcnchina105.xml

Comment by Red Pill
2007-09-07 08:24:16

The mere fact that an issue as important as this is hardly discussed in public announcements makes me think there is something to this line of thinking. No move from the current rate might really get the avalanche started in the markets.

Comment by Mugsy
2007-09-07 08:29:00

I’d prefer that the FED not cut rates and let the market dive as opposed to inflating a stock bubble to compensate for the collapsed housing bubble.

One bubble to the next and the bubbles inflate with greater rapidity each time.

 
 
 
Comment by Michael Fink
2007-09-07 08:30:09

“The Get-Rich-Quick Scheme Doesn’t Always Work”

Now there’s a news revealation of the decade right there.

If they always worked, everyone would be rich; and as such, no one would be rich. That’s why it was SO stupid to think that an asset class held (as the majority of their wealth) by 60-70% of the population could suddenly double/triple in value and not cause inflation. Inflation housing is nearly akin to inflating currency; it’s FAR too widely held to inflate/deflate without an equal reaction in the inflation numbers. Somehow, through some really f*** up math, inflation was running at 3% while housing prices were appreciating at 30%, however, as we all knew, that was totally unsustainable.

To put it another way, if all dollars were suddenly worth 10 dollars tommorrow, would we all be 10X richer? Of course not, we would all be exactly where we are today, because we all hold dollars (this does, btw, totally neglect the presense of outside currency markets, I beg the mercy of the carry traders not to strike me down). Nearly exactly the same thing with houses, my house is 3X in value, but so is everyone else’s! That, folks, is the definition of inflation.

Comment by Former FB
2007-09-07 13:17:48

Perhaps 30% housing appreciation with only 3% inflation is sustainable as long as the people actually cashing out the appreciation are only using to buy stuff from a 3rd party who isn’t spending any of the money, thereby “sequestering” the out-of-thin-air money from the rest of the economy so that it can’t create inflation?

Geez, imagine what would happen if that third party suddenly spent it all. I wonder what they would buy with it? Eventually, whether through a direct purchase or a chain of transactions, wouldn’t that money eventually purchase a asset/good or service originating within the economy that created the dollars? Amount purchased TBD depending on the value of the money by the time it’s spent of course…

 
Comment by tcm_guy
2007-09-07 13:38:58

The way I try to explain the cause of inflation to the clueless is this way: If everybody had at least one million dollars, we would all be paying $100 for a candy bar.

Got 10% down?

 
 
Comment by Michael Fink
2007-09-07 08:33:54

May be a double post, having trouble with the site this morning…

“The Get-Rich-Quick Scheme Doesn’t Always Work”

Now there’s a news revealation of the decade right there.

If they always worked, everyone would be rich; and as such, no one would be rich. That’s why it was SO stupid to think that an asset class held (as the majority of their wealth) by 60-70% of the population could suddenly double/triple in value and not cause inflation. Inflation housing is nearly akin to inflating currency; it’s FAR too widely held to inflate/deflate without an equal reaction in the inflation numbers. Somehow, through some really f*** up math, inflation was running at 3% while housing prices were appreciating at 30%, however, as we all knew, that was totally unsustainable.

To put it another way, if all dollars were suddenly worth 10 dollars tommorrow, would we all be 10X richer? Of course not, we would all be exactly where we are today, because we all hold dollars (this does, btw, totally neglect the presense of outside currency markets, I beg the mercy of the carry traders not to strike me down). Nearly exactly the same thing with houses, my house is 3X in value, but so is everyone else’s! That, folks, is the definition of inflation.

 
Comment by need 2 leave ca
2007-09-07 08:38:10

“‘You sit on the fence,’ Day said. ‘It encourages sitting-onthe-fence behavior. You’re more apt to find fault (with the housing market). There isn’t something emotionally compelling to push buyers into buying something.’

Mr. Day, now it was OK that you and your cronies were peddling the ‘buy now or be priced out forever’ crap emotions. Why shouldn’t the potential buyers wait until this bottoms out. They don’t want to catch a falling knife, just so you can get a commission.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2007-09-07 14:16:53

‘The get-rich-quick scheme doesn’t always work,’

The get-rich-quick scheme often doesn’t work.

 
Comment by Blacque Jacques Shellacque
2007-09-07 23:39:45

With a rooftop deck and sweeping views of downtown, the three-story townhome is barely 2 years old. This luxury residence east of downtown is in move-in condition and priced to sell.

“It’s now priced $279,000,” said real estate agent Alicia Duffy, showing off her 2-month-old listing. “We started out at $295,000.”

$279K? Proced to sell? Hah!

Price it at well under $200K and then see what happens.

 
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