September 13, 2007

The Bottom Line: Too Many Houses For Sale

KOAA.com reports from Colorado. “Economist Fred Crowley says housing data shows 4.5% of people in Pueblo with mortgages are in foreclosure. ‘That’s a rather serious number, one out of 20 people that you run into who owns a home with a mortgage on it they’re having problems with the mortgage today,’ Crowley said. Crowley forecasts there will be a record 1,500 foreclosures in the Steel City this year.”

“He says the problem isn’t isolated. Despite the fact that El Paso County has a lower foreclosure rate than Pueblo, Crowley says 3,500 families in El Paso County, will likely go into foreclosure as well this year.”

“‘There’s a very serious foreclosure problem and a lot of people stand to lose everything,’ said Crowley.”

From News 11 in Colorado. “With the housing market in a slump, homeowners who are hoping to sell have major concerns. How do you sell without taking a financial hit? If you don’t have to sell right away, local experts recommend you wait for the housing market to rebound. But, if you do have to get rid of your house, be willing to lower the price.”

“Joseph Wooldridge put his Springs Ranch house on the market four months ago, and still hasn’t had any interested buyers. ‘Originally listed at $220,000. Now it’s at $199,000 and still very hard to get people in there,’ said Wooldridge.”

“Wooldridge is not alone. The housing market is down nationwide, including right here in Colorado Springs.”

“‘There’s more inventory on the market than there was a year ago,’ said broker Gary Beres. ‘If someone puts their house on the market today. We’re going to say, hey it could take us 270 days to sell it.’”

“‘For sale’ signs are popping up everywhere. More than 8,000 homes are for sale in El Paso County. Almost 6,000 of them are in Colorado Springs.”

The New Mexico Business Weekly. “The new home market is in a major slump nationally, but greater Albuquerque is merely seeing a lull that is being more or less weathered by large production and custom builders. The little guys, however, are finding it tougher to survive a lower demand.”

“‘This is one of those shake-out periods where the less successful don’t survive, which is not necessarily a bad thing,’ says Jim Folkman, executive VP of the Home Builders Association of Central New Mexico.”

“‘This downturn we’re in now is somewhat self-inflicted through ease of entry into the housing market,’ he says. ‘Creative financing, adjustable mortgages, the subprime market all created this squeeze. There’s an absence of capitalization in the mortgage markets because investors are withdrawing from it. They read the newspapers and they’re concerned this bubble is going to burst.’”

“‘We all like to think it’s short-lived, but we’ve been through these cycles before. We all seem to bounce back eventually. The longer it goes on, the more freaked out everyone gets,’ said Stan Strickman of land developer Curb South.”

“‘I know a couple of the production builders have gone presold only. That happens whenever the economy hiccups like this. They don’t want to be stuck with an unsold house,’ said Jack Milarch, CEO of the New Mexico Home Builders Association.”

“‘A lot of these guys were kicking ass and building lots of houses, and then they were caught in this slowdown,’ says Steve Nakamura, CEO of Rachel Matthew Homes. ‘There’s a lot of builders going out of business because they didn’t prepare for a slowdown. A lot of them are very intelligent builders, but sometimes they don’t have the business sense.’”

The Sierra Vista Herald from Arizona. “With the way the housing market is, William Johns isn’t looking to make a profit on his three-bedroom home in Vista View. After buying the home in 2005 for $133,573 and adding about $11,000 in improvements, he’s pricing his home at $144,600.”

“He has had good profits from the five homes he sold in recent years and even made a profit on a home he ‘flipped’ before he was able to add any improvements. But that was 2005, and now he just wants to break even. ‘I just gotta find the right person,’ he said.”

“Sellers need to be realistic when pricing their property, said Jean Giuffrida, branch manager for Long Realty in Sierra Vista. ‘They have to come to grips with not making as much as they thought they would,’ she said.”

“Building permits in Sierra Vista were down by about 66 percent in the past year. Other areas in Cochise County were lower by about 42 percent, according to the Southern Arizona Home Builders Association.”

“The housing slowdown has also had an impact on City Electric Supply, said manager Armand Celani. The residential builders are few and far between lately, he said. ‘Every contractor that comes in here says their housing (business) has really bottomed out,’ he said.”

“Some products, such as ‘exotic’ subprime mortgages, will no longer be available. ‘Many people wouldn’t be able to own a home if those aren’t available,’ said Phyllis Stroud, a mortgage loan specialist at E.F. Edwards Financial.”

“‘The world has returned to its sanity but we’re not out of the woods yet,’ said Phyllis’ husband Joe Stroud, a mortgage broker for E.F. Edwards Financial.”

“Many borrowers will probably still be dealing with the repercussions of subprime loans and adjustable rate mortgage loans in the next year, and that could continue the trend of high foreclosure rates, Joe Stroud said.”

“Arizona has one of the highest foreclosure rates in the country due to defaulted loans. Although foreclosure rates in Sierra Vista are higher than usual but not dramatically so, said Melissa Clayton, president of the Southeastern Arizona Association of Realtors. Homes priced under $200,000 and over $350,000 aren’t as affected by the subprime mortgage crisis, she said.”

“‘It’s the middle that’s a glut in the market right now,’ Clayton said.”

The East Valley Tribune from Arizona. “In the second quarter 2007, 3.55 percent of Arizona mortgages were past due, a survey by the Mortgage Bankers Association shows. That’s up from a 2.44 percent delinquency rate during the same period last year.”

“‘Some people are waking up and finding that their mortgage payments are double or even triple,’ said Jason Meyers, a spokesman for Desert Schools Federal Credit Union. Others owe more than their homes are now worth.”

“In the past month, the credit union has received a couple hundred phone calls from distressed Valley borrowers in danger of defaulting on mortgages they received from other lenders, Meyers said.”

“Some financially stretched borrowers were counting on their equity to keep increasing. Others didn’t realize that their loans had hefty penalties — as much as $20,000 in one case —for paying off the loans early.”

“‘A lot of these lenders have basically made it impossible for people to get out of these bad loans,’ Meyers said.”

“Investors have also played a roll in the delinquency problem, said Greg Geenen, VP of the Arizona Mortgage Lenders Association. Arizona has a disproportionate number of investors, and they’re more likely to walk away from properties, Geenen said.”

“‘We’re just scratching the surface of the potential ramifications of all of these foreclosures,’ Geenen said. ‘It’s going to spread.’”

The Arizona Republic. “Chandler, Mesa and the city of Maricopa had more single-family permits taken out for the first half of this year than they did during the same period in 2006. Prices for new homes have dropped into the $130,000s in Maricopa, which will likely entice more buyers.”

“‘The market continues to be more challenging than anyone expected at this stage of the year,’ said housing analyst RL Brown. ‘I think the bottom line is that until the real estate market gets back to some balance between listings and sales, and confidence and liquidity are enhanced, we are not going to see much change in the new home market. We have got too many houses for sale. That’s the bottom line.’”

“The number of new and existing homes for sale has been rising every month. In the Southeast Valley, it hit 19,214 in July according to the Arizona Regional MLS.”

Marketplace on Arizona. “Scott Jagow: ‘The Census Bureau comes out with some new figures on the housing market today. They’ll show us where the most growth occurred between 2005 and 2006. I can tell you the answer already: In the South and the West, places like Florida and Arizona. Those just happen to be the same places that are now seeing record numbers of foreclosures.’”

“Jay Butler, director of Realty Studies at Arizona State University, is thinking about the good old days because today, according to Foreclosures.com, Pinal County has one of the highest foreclosure rates in the nation.’”

“Butler: ‘The problem is when the market swings, it tends to swing widely in the same sections. You know, it’s a star today and a bust tomorrow.’”

The Review Journal from Nevada. “The inventory of homes for sale on the Multiple Listing Service grew 1.1 percent in August to 24,341, the Greater Las Vegas Association of Realtors reported. Realtors reported 1,316 single-family home sales during the month, down 37.2 percent from August 2006.”

“David Lampe of Coldwell Banker Wardley said homes will sell if owners adjust their prices, he said. ‘You have to price the home properly and market the home properly,’ he said. ‘Not all 24,000 homes (on the MLS) are properly priced. Lots of people put their home on the market but not to sell. They’re still thinking three years back.’”

“Lampe said people who understand the market don’t mind ‘taking a hit’ on their current home because they know they’re going to make it back on their next home.”




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Comment by Sobay
2007-09-13 12:45:40

William Johns isn’t looking to make a profit on his three-bedroom home in Vista View. After buying the home in 2005 for $133,573 and adding about $11,000 in improvements, he’s pricing his home at $144,600.”
“He has had good profits from the five homes he sold in recent years and even made a profit on a home he ‘flipped’ - ‘I just gotta find the right person,’ he said.”

- I think that Bill is going to get the ‘Big Lebowski’.

Comment by Blano
2007-09-13 12:54:59

“right person” = right sucker.

 
Comment by homelessbubbleboy
2007-09-13 12:56:57

time to cough up the good profit on this flip. Law of averages

Comment by Blano
2007-09-13 13:07:11

Yep, he got greedy. Bummer for him.

 
 
Comment by felix
2007-09-13 13:35:36

So he’s selling for what he bought for and adding only 11k in remodeling cost. He has to eat loan fees, payments, insurance and commission.

Is it really that hard to find a buyer for a 144k house? Thats well below the average US home price.

Comment by Rob-In-Sunnyvale
2007-09-13 14:35:49

by felix:
“Is it really that hard to find a buyer for a 144k house? Thats well below the average US home price.”

It is if the place was a dump and he paid too much. :)

rob

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2007-09-13 14:37:32

Additionally, a 133k house with 11k of ‘improvements’ is still a 133k house. You don’t change the functionality one lick by slapping in new counters and appliances.

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Comment by greginaz
2007-09-13 14:36:38

Location is the problem.

 
Comment by Not Mssing It
2007-09-13 15:02:12

Hey I think there is a Vista View in Trona California?

 
 
Comment by Pete
2007-09-13 14:09:37

What do you bet his “improvements” consisted of granite countertops and stainless steel? Maybe some fake wood laminate flooring too.

 
 
Comment by AUA
2007-09-13 12:46:02

“If you don’t have to sell right away, local experts recommend you wait for the housing market to rebound. But, if you do have to get rid of your house, be willing to lower the price.”

But if you’re in trouble now, how long can you wait? Can you wait for 15 years while home prices tank and a recession hits?

Comment by Ben Jones
2007-09-13 12:51:35

Right, and realtors wonder why some people resent their tactics. It’s either ‘hurry up an pay my commission,’ or ‘get out of the way so I can see my listing.’ From the LV article:

‘Devin Reiss, president of the Realtors association, said he can understand why people may be questioning his assertion that the local housing market presents a buying opportunity. Housing experts disagree about when home prices will rise again across the board. But Reiss advises clients who may be waiting for prices to ‘bottom out’ to start looking for a home before conditions change, particularly lending qualifications.’

‘There’s no guarantees one way or another about prices,’ he said. ‘But I do know how strong our economy is and where interest rates are. If anything, we’re going to see over the long haul that interest rates will go up. Either way, you might find yourself waiting on the sideline.’

Comment by Housing Wizard
2007-09-13 13:04:47

How can David Reiss stress urgency in buying when you look around and see excess vacant inventory of homes everywhere ? Interest rates might go up ,but I would rather get a house at a lower price. Enough with the urgency to buy BS .

Comment by mrincomestream
2007-09-13 13:32:39

Wiz, the industry is starving right now. They’d say just about anything to get a transaction right now. Even my phones are pretty much dead and my primary deal is commercial. From the guys I’m talking to subtle panic is pretty much the order of the day. Nothing is catching traction and folks are just plain scared to death to play create a deal. The quiet before the storm is here and it’s going to be a big one if the silence is any indicator.

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Comment by KIA
2007-09-13 14:11:49

Yeah, the old “I have another buyer - a nice couple from Tulsa” ploy is right out the window these days, isn’t it?

 
Comment by ex-nnvmtgbrkr
2007-09-13 14:19:28

Well put, Income, especially the part about nothing catching traction. No more rabbits to pull out of the hat.

 
Comment by mrincomestream
2007-09-13 14:54:41

ex-nnvmtgbrkr-

You know it’s a new day when before an AE says hello his first question is are you still in the mortgage business. Had that happen yesterday. Sounded totally dejected especially after I told him he had nothing I could use… I wanted to tell him to call me back in 10 years but why burn bridges we could rebound in 08…

 
 
Comment by de
2007-09-13 15:39:31

Let’s say they do go up…
If I finance $300K at 6% for 30 years P+I = $1800/mo.
With a 50% haircut,
finance $150K at 12% for 30 years and P+I = 1542.

It pays to wait, even if rates go up (within reason)

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Comment by Leighsong
2007-09-13 13:49:37

If you don’t have to sell right away…

This gets my panties in a bunch. Hubby and I are actively looking for a home. (Thanks to this blog, we’re fixed about what we want and what we will pay).

Over half of the houses we look at seem to be testing the market. In other words, maybe we’ll sell. It is upsetting because you can’t tell who is serious and who isn’t.

Went to one home last week and they didn’t bother cleaning up the storage areas, barn and other outbuilding.

I’d never show a home in that condition! The embarrassment would kill me.

Comment by Mike
2007-09-13 14:47:41

If they are listing they are ALL serious. They are just waiting for someone to say, “Okay.” However, now is NOT the time to buy. Paint that in big black letters on a white bedsheet and pin it to the wall which faces you as you enter your house or condo. In about 2 years, you can think about taking it down UNLESS we slide into a recession which, I can promise you, is in the cards. Forget what the “economists” tell you. The greatest “economist” of all time (according to some BUT I’m not one of them) Mr. Alan Greenspan Magoo, now states he didn’t realize how bad things would get if his planned interest rate cuts (free money) went wrong. These brilliant “economists” are now telling us we will avoid a recession. The betting windows are open. If a recession arrives (and I think it’s already started) and it’s a medium size recession, push that 2 year time frame out another one or two years. If it’s a big, nasty recession, push it out three to five years and look for property prices to drop to 2000 levels and possibly earlier.

Comment by Leighsong
2007-09-13 14:53:59

Thanks Mike. I’ve been speaking out loud to anyone with a brain against Greenspan for years. Glad to know I’m in good company. (LOVE the sheet idea…LOL).

We are looking for land because I believe this is going to be more than a recession, and want to be in the position to strike, and get the heck out of Dodge. I see city riots in the not to distant future, and, no, I don’t have a tinfoil hat…LOL.
Best,
Leigh

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Comment by de
2007-09-13 15:42:12

Smart girl - smart hubby!

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2007-09-13 15:56:54

Smart girl, LUCKY hubby.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by homelessbubbleboy
2007-09-13 12:47:38

“‘There’s more inventory on the market than there was a year ago,’ said broker Gary Beres. ‘If someone puts their house on the market today. We’re going to say, hey it could take us 270 days to sell it.’”

Why not just say it could take us 9 months to sell it?

Comment by AUA
2007-09-13 12:52:37

Why not just take the lumps now instead of waiting for the market to get even worse in nine months?! All the rate resets that are going to be happening in October through March means it ought to be fire-sale time now for anyone who wants to get 80% of what they want. In nine months, it’s going to be 50%.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2007-09-13 13:02:37

There’s something about that 9-month figure. Makes a lot of people think of labor pains.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2007-09-13 14:39:46

I’m sure the bubble will make many feel like they had a new one ripped. ;)

 
 
 
Comment by Lou Minatti
2007-09-13 12:48:09

“There’s a very serious foreclosure problem and a lot of people stand to lose everything,’ said Crowley.”

Not if they leave the keys on the kitchen counter and walk away. What do they stand to lose, other than an overpriced shelter that they won’t actually own for decades?

Comment by redhead68
2007-09-13 13:33:54

Their dignity.

Comment by turnoutthelights
2007-09-13 13:41:38

Saving 6 to 9 months of mortgage payments and getting free shelter buys a lot of dignity.

 
Comment by Premature Curmudgeon
2007-09-13 14:39:28

It is always so tragically sad to see flippers lose their dignity. They are such noble, altruistic creatures. When caught unawares in these circumstances totally beyond their control, they have such pained, confused looks.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2007-09-13 15:57:58

LOL. Well said.

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Comment by redhead68
2007-09-13 21:13:37

I’m in a Colorado neighborhood full of foreclosures and none of them are flippers. They are young people who got in over their heads with zero-down, interest-only loans pushed by a large builder that was trying to fill houses as fast as it could. These kids have no equity, no way to refinance, and no options other than letting it go back to the bank. It’s crushing for them; they feel like failures. I feel no schadenfreude when I see their struggles.

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Comment by jerry from richardson
2007-09-14 00:15:29

If they put zero down then they didn’t lose anything. Live there for free a few months until foreclosure. Save up money and put some money down on something more affordable next time. If they are young and naive, then this will be a good lesson in finance.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Curt
2007-09-13 14:34:44

Hey, they might have put $100.00 down!

 
 
Comment by Ocean City Guy
2007-09-13 12:48:22

Greenspan admits “he just didn’t get it” concerning the subprime fallout, too bad he doesn’t view this blog.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070913/greenspan_mortgages.html?.v=14

Comment by 85249 is Toast
2007-09-13 13:02:37

Looks like “The Maestro” can’t read music.

Comment by aladinsane
2007-09-13 13:04:14

Atonement Deaf

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2007-09-13 13:05:03

Actually, he can. After high school, he went to the Juilliard School. Went on to play in a traveling swing band.

Comment by OCDan
2007-09-13 13:30:21

Actually, he was an organ grinder with a monkey. If that counts as a musician.

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Comment by mrincomestream
2007-09-13 13:13:55

He should be incarcerated for making that comment…

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2007-09-13 13:17:00

Maybe Greenspan thought all those purchases by speculators were owner-occupied ,and maybe he thought people were actually qualifying for the loans given .But anybody with half a brain should of saw that house prices were going up at such a alarming rate that something was wrong .Funny how Wall Street didn’t consider the fraud aspect in their rating models either .Not that I’m defending Greenspan mind you , but a good % of the foreclosures are due to fraud in lending by either the borrower or the loan rep/realtor/appraiser , or all of them .But Greenspan kept the rates to low for to long and IMHO that was his big mistake ,plus not knowing what was going on when something was really wrong in the real estat markets.

 
Comment by TheGuru
2007-09-13 15:03:30

Incompetent and ignorant — this old feeble-minded man was at the helm of the world’s largest economy. God help us all!

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2007-09-13 16:00:08

Thank God we have a brilliant President surrounded by highly competent advisors to see us through…oh, crap.

 
 
Comment by Norcal Ray
2007-09-13 15:09:27

Totally outrageous comment by Greenspan. Similar to the CEO at Enron saying he didn’t know what was really going on.

 
 
Comment by jag
2007-09-13 12:53:11

“Joseph Wooldridge put his Springs Ranch house on the market four months ago, and still hasn’t had any interested buyers”.

This is where people learn the lesson of “illiquidity”…..in spades.
NO bidders, month after month, has to become terrifying. Those who don’t (or can’t) bite the bullet and cut their price below their competiton will end up like every other retailer who doesn’t sell a commodity at the lowest price level….bankrupt.

Comment by Sobay
2007-09-13 13:01:22

‘NO bidders, month after month, has to become terrifying.’

- How about ‘No Lookers’ … that must scare the heck out of sellers. My mom lives in Victorville Ca and tells me that homes nearby entirely stopped having open houses months ago.

Comment by American_Screamer
2007-09-13 13:24:17

I have seen open houses that are literally that…door wide open and no realtwhore anywhere in sight. Not even a glossy handout.

 
Comment by DenverLowBaller
2007-09-13 13:29:41

Open houses in Denver have become an easy way for criminals to case property. I had a realtor tell me a horror story about a vacant property and the people who showed up. None of them had their loan prequalification papers with them.

Next step. Open house, accompanied by a security detail.

Comment by redhead68
2007-09-13 13:36:37

Since when do people bring loan pre-qualification papers to open houses? I’ll provide that information when and if I make an offer, and not a minute beforehand.

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Comment by DenverLowBaller
2007-09-13 14:13:15

No one brings papers. And maybe this realtor was just “profiling” buyers. She felt very, very unsafe, that was my only point. That was understood, right?

Good luck to you all, I will now go back to part-time lurking status.

 
Comment by palmetto
2007-09-13 14:16:43

Not long ago, a local realtor in the Tampa Bay area was attacked by a fellow she was showing a house to.

 
Comment by Annette
2007-09-13 15:05:24

Never like to do an open house..that was good years ago..today its an invitation to Mr and Mrs. Trouble…Did one once long time ago when this guy showed up right before I closed shop…gave me the creeps..had him walk in front of me and my hand on the taser! Never did one after that unless one of the homeowners agreed to stay around..told them to act like a interested party and to listen to the comments..I actually had people who agreed and were happy 1)They saw how many people showed up and 2)got feedback about their choice of the orange cheap carpeting in the family room!

 
Comment by Jimmy Jazz
2007-09-13 15:09:42

You sure it wasn’t the seller? LOL.

 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2007-09-13 13:30:35

I’m seeing very few open houses in Tucson. And the ones I see don’t appear to be very busy.

 
Comment by OCDan
2007-09-13 13:33:54

You dopn’t know the half of it Sobay. Victorville and that whole area know as the IE is so burned it isn’t even funny. My inlaws, who BTW, bought our house would be upside if they had to sell now. Good luck with that retirement nest egg.

Also, saw some friends who bought in Victorville several years ago, so they are okay. They asked us if we were interested in moving back there (orginally in Fontana, slightly south). The wife mentioned something like a 6-bedroom monster of 2,500 sq. ft. going for 250K, which put it under the original owner’s purchase price of more than 300-350K 2 yrs. ago. Said I was interested in a 200-mile roundtrip commute.

Got rent?

Comment by OCDan
2007-09-13 13:41:19

Meant to say, not interested in the 200-mile commute.

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Comment by Pondering the Mess
2007-09-14 09:11:21

Hahaha - yeah, I’ve been debating with a nut on the Baltimore Area Bubble Blog who seems to think that 2+ hour commutes, one way, are the “new way of doing things” here in Maryland (I guess he wants to be like Ca) and that we just have to accept that. Right… good thing gas is free and in endless supply and that there’s no Bubble to drive up housing price and thus force such absurd commutes.

It is amazing what nonsense people will come up with to justify the Bubble!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Ernest
2007-09-13 12:58:03

“Lampe said people who understand the market don’t mind ‘taking a hit’ on their current home because they know they’re going to make it back on their next home.”

They are ?

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2007-09-13 14:46:53

If you’ve got plenty of equity, IE you bought your home pre-2000, selling a house for less than you could have gotten in 2005 isn’t that big of a deal as the NEXT house you buy won’t cost as much as it did in 2005. That’s what he’s trying to say.

If you have a 600k house, and want to move up to a 900k house, and you only owe 200k on the house, you’d have a 500k mortgage on the new house. If housing takes a 50% haircut and you trade up from your 300k house to a 450k house, you have a mortgage of 350k.

People who bought their “600k” houses for 500k, however, are not going to be so happy.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2007-09-13 14:53:05

Of course… selling at 600k and then buying the bigger house at 450k is the best solution.

:D

 
 
 
Comment by Lostinthewoods
2007-09-13 13:01:22

OT-

This may or may not have been discussed, but I have been on a lurking vacation over the last week or so…

Has anyone heard the new Lenox Financial commercial? They are marketing FEAR baby. Talking about how the same house right down the street is now worth 50% of what you paid for it… Talking about ARMS as angels growing horns… LOL.

Biggest No-Brainer in the history of earth. Smell the fear.

Comment by 85249 is Toast
2007-09-13 13:04:47

“Run this way little sheep. No wait! Run that way little sheep. No wait! …”

 
Comment by aladinsane
2007-09-13 13:07:52

No-Brainer, indeed.

 
Comment by Mo Money
2007-09-13 14:27:10

I hate those guys and the smarmy spokescreature. Tell us again about that strategy you were pushing last year where you refi now and then wait for interest rates to drop and do it all over again. How’s that working for your victims now ?

 
 
Comment by Catherine
2007-09-13 13:02:56

“Jay Butler, director of Realty Studies at Arizona State University, is thinking about the good old days because today, according to Foreclosures.com, Pinal County has one of the highest foreclosure rates in the nation.’”

“Butler: ‘The problem is when the market swings, it tends to swing widely in the same sections. You know, it’s a star today and a bust tomorrow.’”

How much does this guy get paid to say “it’s a star today and bust tomorrow” ?
And what was Greenspan’s salary for those times when “he just didn’t get it” ?
Really…all of the sudden these highly paid financial savants act like a puppy that got caught peeing on the carpet.

Comment by aladinsane
2007-09-13 13:15:51

More of a highly paid financial servant, a Butler…

 
 
Comment by bottomfisher
2007-09-13 13:16:55

If you don’t have to sell right away, local experts recommend you wait for the housing market to rebound. But, if you do have to get rid of your house, be willing to lower the price.”

On the other hand….if you just want to play ‘pretend’ its still 2004 and you are so smart you bought and now have sooooo much equity…..we have just the special listing program for you. For only $350 per month, we will send ‘play’ buyers to your house just ‘begging’ to pay whatever you ask. You can tell your neighbors you have turned them down because you know you can get more. No ending date. We subcontract out this special program to a local circus performers group.

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2007-09-14 09:14:13

Oh, that is the best idea! I bet one could make a service out of “home equity consulting” and other such silliness. Keep the sheeple happy about how much their house is “worth” for a small monthly fee, of course. Naturally paid only in cash since people who need this service probably have no money!

 
 
Comment by mrincomestream
2007-09-13 13:17:17

“Sellers need to be realistic when pricing their property, said Jean Giuffrida, branch manager for Long Realty in Sierra Vista. ‘They have to come to grips with not making as much as they thought they would,’ she said.”

Starting to hear this more and more in the MSM… Even Suse Orman on Larry King last night. But they are soft pedaling it. Trying to ease it on the sheeple. I’m also noticing how the talking financial heads are kind of straddling the fence since the Cramer meltdown. No one wants to speak the truth.

Comment by 85249 is Toast
2007-09-13 13:24:50

“They have to come to grips with losing as much as they thought they would make.”

Fixed it.

 
Comment by OCDan
2007-09-13 13:38:17

Mrincome are you surprised at the soft peddaling. The a$$hats stand to lose a lot if the sheeple ever figured out how they are really manipulated. Also, if the sheeple ever “got it” that would be the end of the ponzi scheme also know as the AmeriKan Way. Goodbye $13 Trillion economy. As long as the people play along then things are going to be “okay.”

Thanks Suse. Okay, I’ll give her credit she has made a small fortune telling people to stay out of debt and I didn’t. However, they could have come to this board and read me and others tell them the troubles with outlandish debt on depreciating “toys” for fookin “FREE!”

Comment by mrincomestream
2007-09-13 15:09:47

OCDan-

No not really, probably more an observation on my part more than anything. It keeps making me ask myself that if I weren’t so tuned in to this blog would I be blindesided as well. I want to think I’m smarter than that but I’m not arrogant enough to believe I’m that much smarter than the vast majority of the current population. But it’s astounding how people are just slogging along with glazed eyes like everything is fine and it’s far from it. I’m not just talking about the Housing Bubble either, there’s a lot of interesting things happening, we are entering into some weird times. I truly believe America is in trouble and on the verge of becoming a third tier country and J6P is going to get the sharp short end of the stick and no one is going to walk away unscathed. Myself included.

 
 
Comment by kThomas
2007-09-13 13:38:39

Like we’ve all heard before, sometimes, the truth is very painful.

Even capitalist schills like Cramer and Orman must obey the Laws of Supply and Demand. Personally, I’m hoping Cramer blows up in the studio.

 
Comment by palmetto
2007-09-13 14:14:07

“Trying to ease it on the sheeple. I’m also noticing how the talking financial heads are kind of straddling the fence since the Cramer meltdown. No one wants to speak the truth.”

Yes, things are going down, but it is looking to be engineered to be more of a drift down than a sudden plunge. That’s how it seems to me, anyway. One of my sibs who did some consulting for a hedge fund told me a year ago that Paulson’s job was to “manage” the falling dollar. So someone, somewhere, had the idea that this was going to happen. Given that little tidbit, it does make me think that BB will cut.

Comment by 85249 is Toast
2007-09-13 14:31:25

“Yes, things are going down, but it is looking to be engineered to be more of a drift down than a sudden plunge.”

Sound like that old illustration about frogs and pots of boiling water.

 
 
 
Comment by sagesse
2007-09-13 13:37:23

Another tale from the road: a gentleman in Kanab, Utah, said that a lot of building is going on (me: huh? in Kanab?). He: “yes, most are from California. They want to live in the country, and then they want to turn their new place into a city.”

Comment by OCDan
2007-09-13 13:40:17

Where do we even begin with this comment? This comment and line of thinking are just another sign of the apocalypse is near. What collective stupidity of my fellow, but migrating, Clownifornicators.

 
 
Comment by Leighsong
2007-09-13 13:41:38

“Lampe said people who understand the market don’t mind ‘taking a hit’ on their current home because they know they’re going to make it back on their next home.”

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat TF.

Comment by KIA
2007-09-13 14:17:46

To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully-constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them; to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it… to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself. That was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word ‘doublethink’ involved using doublethink.

Comment by Betamax
2007-09-13 15:09:26

Is that from the Seinfeld where they get lost in the mall? Or the one where George eats the donut out of the garbage?

(yah, Orwell, I know)

 
 
 
Comment by AnonyRuss
2007-09-13 14:13:49

“Some people are waking up and finding that their mortgage payments are double or even triple,” said Jason Meyers, a spokesman for Desert Schools Federal Credit Union.”

“In the past month, the credit union has received a couple hundred phone calls from distressed Valley borrowers in danger of defaulting on mortgages they received from other lenders, Meyers said.”

This is the credit union where I do most of my banking. I wonder if the hundreds of phone calls are really only from those who borrowed from “other lenders.”

DESERT SCHOOLS
PHOENIX, Arizona

The Bankrate.com Star Rating is 4 out of 5 stars, which indicates that the institution is “sound.” Honeywell Aerospace Credit Union is the only 5 star rated credit union in Arizona. Interesting.

http://bankrate.com/brm/safesound/select.asp

 
Comment by Jen Bones
2007-09-13 14:22:24

“Sellers need to be realistic when pricing their property, said Jean Giuffrida, branch manager for Long Realty in Sierra Vista. ‘They have to come to grips with not making as much as they thought they would,’ she said.”

More fun with auto-anagrams (pick your favorite):

Fine jug afraid
Nude jig affair
A fine fraud jig
Deaf in a fir jug

Comment by Premature Curmudgeon
2007-09-13 14:49:46

Is Jen Bones Ben Jones’ doppleganger?

Comment by Premature Curmudgeon
2007-09-13 14:51:21

correction: doppelganger

 
Comment by Betamax
2007-09-13 15:11:30

his evil twin, separated at birth and raised by Catholic nuns. ‘Nuff said.

 
 
Comment by ET-chicago
2007-09-13 15:07:36

“A fine fraud jig” has a right nice ring to it.

 
Comment by Groundhogday
2007-09-13 15:27:42

“A fine fraud jig”

The thought of a nude middle-aged Realtor dancing a jig just isn’t appealing.

 
 
Comment by A.B. Dada
2007-09-13 14:49:33

Here’s a question I’ve had for a few years… What is the reason for sale prices of homes to be listed or known by anyone but the buyer and the seller?

If I go to a small store, and haggle with the owner for a new toaster, no one but the owner and myself know the price I got. It’s private. It’s no one’s business. I’ll pay sales tax on it, but when he submits his sales tax return, he just lists bulk sales, not specific ones.

Why should homes be any different? If I buy, and you sell, we should keep it under wraps. Let the appraisers and the banks figure out comps based on what that particular bank loaned in the area before. If the city wants to figure out property taxes, let them spend the time figuring out the value of the home — don’t base it on numbers that are seemingly forced to be non-private.

Ever wonder how these things got aired to the public? Bet it’s the NAR’s fault…

Comment by Tango in Uniform
2007-09-13 16:39:32

Try Montana (and a handful of other non-disclosure states), you’d love it. Sales prices are not public.

The trick is that only Realtors have access to the sale prices, through the MLS. So if you really want to get an idea of sales trends, comps, etc., you really have no choice but to go through a Realtor. And if prices are falling, well, nobody has to know that because it’s all proprietary information and they’re not going to share. Hmm. Nice little racket they have going, eh?

Comment by Groundhogday
2007-09-13 17:31:33

That is the part that galls me. If sale prices are not public, then why should a PRIVATE organization like MAR and the local MLS get access to this data?

Legally fortified monopoly as far as I can tell…

 
 
Comment by sagesse
2007-09-13 17:12:53

Sold a house in Germany, and do not think anyone knows for how much, except maybe the bank. Realtors also behaving very differently. They tried to discourage me, the seller, instead of making a case for how well they could represent me, and what ‘I could get for it’. I found my own buyers, and the good feeling I had with them (young family with adopted kids from disadvantaged backgrounds) was worth to let the house go for a few thousand bucks less than it ‘was worth’.

Comment by A Texan in Bavaria
2007-09-14 02:01:15

From what I’ve heard from my Bavarian neighbors, until very recently, selling a house around here was something to be done quietly, as people usually sold for only one of three reasons: death (and not enough money for the heirs to keep the house), divorce or bankruptcy.

 
 
Comment by Groundhogday
2007-09-13 17:34:19

In non-disclosure state like Montana, taxing entities still record sale prices and use that information to determine property values. But a private individual cannot access that information.

Comment by Cinch
2007-09-13 21:03:12

Thanks for the info. I thought I can walk down the Gallatin County Recorder office and get the sale info. Nice little racket indeed!

 
 
 
Comment by are they crazy
2007-09-13 14:59:38

OT, but just read about a MLB game yesterday in Florida with only 400 people in attendance in 75K capacity stadium. Maybe the cost to go see a professional game will have to lessen - maybe a few less sports multimillionaires in our future?

Comment by ET-chicago
2007-09-13 15:09:26

Affordable sports events would be a welcome side effect in my book.

Comment by In Colorado
2007-09-13 15:46:34

That’s what minor leagues are for. Just as entertaining and much cheaper.

Comment by implosion
2007-09-13 17:48:47

Tickets are cheap, food and beer are ridiculous.

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Comment by Annette
2007-09-13 15:12:28

People in Florida can’t go to those games anymore..I suspect that attendance for all sports will be down this year…no more ATM machines for those $150 front row seats…Probably will see some amazing deals that stuff….

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2007-09-13 16:05:33

Maybe the 50-cent hotdog and $1 beer will make a comeback?

Comment by Magic Kat
2007-09-13 22:54:33

Maybe the 50-cent hotdog and $1 beer will make a comeback?

Gee, I hope so, Went to a Cubs game recently — $9 for beer and $6 for a hot dog. Could’ve gotten a decent meal for $15….

 
 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2007-09-13 16:04:06

“Wooldridge is not alone. The housing market is down nationwide, including right here in Colorado Springs.”

Now just a cotton-pickin’ minute. My realtor specifically informed me that “it’s different in the Springs. Everyone wants to live here.”

 
Comment by Snick
2007-09-13 18:22:56

That’s what some idiotic chumps are still saying in Vancouver.

 
Comment by jim a
2007-09-13 18:40:02

Too many houses for sale = more people own houses than wish to.

 
Comment by need 2 leave ca
2007-09-13 19:00:23

sagesse - a bubble? In Kanab UT? Clownifornicators heading there? Good grief? Are they buying and building on the land that looks like Mars? That is an incredebly desolate place. But Bryce Canyon is awesome to see.

Comment by sagesse
2007-09-13 20:11:06

There is FLDS there (psst, not talked about) - fundamentalist mormons practicing polygamy. There are some nice red rocks. I had the conversation because there is a brand new gas station, and I said, well, who would have thought, even Kanab changes.

 
 
Comment by need 2 leave ca
2007-09-13 20:49:41

Most of the Clownifornians I know couldn’t handle that area. Even growing up in Salt Lake, I would have a hard time in Kanab. We used to make fun of there. After all of my time in LA and SF, those folks definitely couldn’t handle that rural and wierd folks there.

 
Comment by Tad
2007-09-14 06:46:57

I’ve a question for all of you. Grand Junction, Colorado is pretty hot economically right now; housing and energy are the main motivating forces. Nonetheless last weekend I saw signs, and people waving signs, for a house being sold via auction in one of the nicer neighborhoods. I’ve NEVER seen this done before. Do you have any idea(s) what this might mean ?

 
Comment by Tad
2007-09-14 06:46:57

I’ve a question for all of you. Grand Junction, Colorado is pretty hot economically right now; housing and energy are the main motivating forces. Nonetheless last weekend I saw signs, and people waving signs, for a house being sold via auction in one of the nicer neighborhoods. I’ve NEVER seen this done before. Do you have any idea(s) what this might mean ?

 
Comment by Tad
2007-09-14 06:46:57

I’ve a question for all of you. Grand Junction, Colorado is pretty hot economically right now; housing and energy are the main motivating forces. Nonetheless last weekend I saw signs, and people waving signs, for a house being sold via auction in one of the nicer neighborhoods. I’ve NEVER seen this done before. Do you have any idea(s) what this might mean ?

 
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