Sellers Slowly Stop Reaching For What Was
The Providence Journal reports from Rhode Island. “The new property owners in some neighborhoods here mark their turf with padlocks, plywood and messages such as the one scrawled on a front door in Olneyville: ‘Copper Gone. Vacant houses have always been easy prey for vandals, no less so when the owners are giant banks, companies representing Wall Street investors.”
“Block by city block, foreclosures are scarring the landscape in neighborhoods such as Olneyville, Elmwood and the West End, raising fears that the deteriorating real-estate market could hurt property values. These neighborhoods became magnets for real-estate speculators who bought up houses and then resold them for twice what they’d paid.”
“Now, house prices are down and the speculators are gone, leaving behind vacant properties and ‘For Sale’ signs.”
“The number of houses on the market in August climbed to a 10-month supply, compared with a less than 6-month supply in August of 2005, according to the MLS.”
“On Daboll Street, in the city’s West End, Gaensly Luceus and his wife, Erika, put their house on the market in July for $350,000. ‘A couple of years ago, there were people knocking on my door trying to buy my house,’ Luceus said. But the summer passed without a single offer. So last month, they took it off the market.”
“Just up the block, three houses are boarded up.”
The New York Times. “A surge in subprime lending across the region in recent years is now helping to fuel a boom in foreclosures, with the number of filings rising 55 percent in suburban counties in the first nine months of this year, compared with the same period last year, an analysis of real estate data shows.”
“On Long Island, the number of foreclosure actions increased sharply during the summer. Nearly 1,000 foreclosure notices were filed in July, and 728 foreclosures were scheduled in the third quarter. Both numbers represent an increase of more than 60 percent over the same period in 2006, according to Long Island Profiles.”
“Counselors at housing agencies have begun to see a stampede of new clients with payments they can’t afford and who are desperate to keep their homes. ‘We’re running at three times the calls we got last year,’ said Lynn Law, director of education and counseling at the Long Island Housing Partnership. ‘It started in May and June, and continued through the summer.’”
“In Westchester, Jacqueline Borrero said the mortgage payment on the two-family home her brother bought for $299,000 in 1998 rose to $4,800 from $4,000 last May. The loan will cost $5,100 a month starting in November, when the interest rate increases to 11 percent.”
“‘We’re really scared,’ said Ms. Borrero. She and her mother and brother are working extra part-time jobs to meet the mortgage bill, but their combined income won’t be enough to cover the payment, she said. ‘We got some bad advice on this loan,’ she said, ‘Now we don’t know where to turn. We don’t want to become one of the statistics.’”
“In the Southampton village of Sagaponack, the median home price has risen a staggering 44 percent since last year, to $5.5 million. Yet as of the end of August, the number of homes sold had dropped by more than half, to 21.”
“That’s a telling example of what is happening across the East End: a meteoric rise in sale prices that many brokers say is driven by big Hamptons trophy-home sales, but a glut of homes valued under $10 million sitting on the market, including some new ones built by speculators.”
“That can make for lower prices in some places, as sellers slowly stop ‘reaching for what was,’ as broker Judi Desiderio put it, and realize that buyers have lots of inventory to peruse. ‘A buyer today comes out and looks at dozens of properties,’ she said. ‘They’ll know instantly if a house is priced at last year’s or today’s prices.’”
“E-mail messages are regularly flying out to East End brokers, announcing new pricing. ‘I see it every day on the computer,’ broker Paul Brennan said. ‘More and more houses that come from brokers saying, ‘Price reduction, price reduction, price reduction.’”
The Morning Call from Pennsylvania. “When builder Bill Wall decided to start a home in Powder Valley without having a buyer lined up in early 2006, the real estate market was roaring. Houses were selling in days instead of weeks, and often for more than the asking price.”
“But, by the time the home was finished in January 2007, the Lehigh Valley real estate market had stalled. Inventory piled up. Cautious buyers were rethinking their intentions.”
”’I listed it for $699,000 and got only one offer — for substantially less than the asking price,’ says Wall, who has built and sold several million-dollar homes over the past six years.”
“After nine more months dragged on, Wall decided to lower the asking price to $659,000 and he sweetened the pot by throwing in a three-year lease for a Lexus RX 350.” “An open house in late September drew plenty of interest, but no offers. Still, Wall is hopeful that he can find the right buyer.”
“‘Sure, I’m disappointed,’ he says. ‘But I understand that there is a lot on the market right now in this price range. And it’s a very tough range. You need two incomes, and you need the right match.’”
The Baltimore Sun from Maryland. “Pulte Homes is trying to combat the housing slump with a Halloween-themed ‘monster’ sale at seven Maryland communities, including Baltimore, with incentives that include selling at cost and guaranteeing the purchase of buyers’ current dwellings.”
“The homebuilder hopes to entice buyers frightened by plummeting sales, stagnant or falling prices and the potential of getting stuck with two mortgages.”
“‘The unusual blockage of the market we had for the month of September, where it was difficult for prospective buyers to come by a mortgage has exacerbated what was already a difficult situation,’ said John E. Kortecamp, executive director of the Home Builders Association of Maryland. ‘These larger, national production builders are going to do some dramatic things. It’s all about shedding inventory.’”
“The number of Maryland properties about to be put on the foreclosure auction block more than tripled last month from a year earlier, as homeowners struggle with the one-two punch of mortgages they can’t afford and homes they can’t quickly sell.”
“About 1,730 notices of impending auction were issued last month, up from about 550 in September 2006, RealtyTrac said. The number of properties taken back by lenders last month after no one bought them at auction increased 10-fold from September 2006, to about 220. Though some might be commercial properties, the great majority are homes, the company said.”
“‘The picture in Maryland is a troubling picture, and we cannot deny that. In virtually every corner of the state, foreclosure events have increased dramatically,’ said Thomas E. Perez, the state secretary of labor, licensing and regulation.”
The Gazette from Maryland. “The credit crunch in the housing market has squeezed the bottom line of some area banks. First Mariner Bancorp, the Baltimore parent of First Mariner Bank that was founded in 1995, showed a net loss of $3.9 million for its 2007 second quarter.”
“First Mariner has stopped issuing ‘Alt-A’ mortgages through its wholesale lending division, said CEO Edwin F. Hale Sr. The company has also decided to close its wholesale lending operation and taken steps to modify underwriting guidelines and strengthen borrower qualification terms.”
“The bank will slow its development of new branches and ‘eliminate any poor-performing locations,’ Hale said. Some job cuts are expected, mostly through attrition, he said.”
“Provident Bankshares Corp. of Baltimore saw residential mortgage loans decline by $92 million, or 23 percent, in its second quarter from a year ago.”
“M&T Bank Corp. of Buffalo, N.Y., the fourth largest bank in Maryland in deposits, works hard with qualified borrowers who don’t carry as much risk, said Atwood Collins III, president of M&T’s mid-Atlantic division in Baltimore.”
“‘The residential mortgage loan market is not what it was two years ago, but qualified borrowers need not worry,’ Collins said.”
The News Tribune from New Jersey. “Expensive, high interest rate mortgage loans continued to grab a larger share of the market last year, and thousands of homeowners like Paul and Elizabeth Duncan are feeling the squeeze.”
“The Toms River couple are finding it increasingly hard to make the $3,200 monthly payments on their $327,000 mortgage, which they refinanced last year at a 9 percent interest rate. They are not sure how they are going to make this month’s installment.”
“‘We have more going out than coming in,’ Elizabeth Duncan said.”
“Soon, the Duncans say, they may be forced to sell their new dining room furniture, or take out a cash advance on a credit card in order to make payments and buy some time.”
“The Press analysis found that in Monmouth and Ocean counties last year, one in five home loans were granted to subprime borrowers, for a total of $3.1 billion. In 2004, about 1 in 10 loans had gone to subprime borrowers.”
“Richard G. Stafford of Capital Home Mortgage in Spring Lake said he believes many borrowers were addicted to shopping. ‘They didn’t change their lifestyle,’ Stafford said. ‘The appraisers were generous to them. They just kept refinancing and then maxed their credit cards out again.’”
“Phyllis Salowe-Kaye, executive director of the consumer advocate group New Jersey Citizen Action, called such comments ‘blaming the victim.’”
“She and other advocates fault mortgages sales staff who gave loans to borrowers who never could make the payments long term or made promises that were not kept. ‘These people are in business to make money, but they’re in the business to make money on the backs of people,’ Salowe-Kaye said.”
“The Duncans appear to be an example for both arguments.”
“The couple married in 1999, but with two children each from previous marriages, they soon found that their two-bedroom mobile home was much too small. They bought the three-bedroom colonial in 2004 with $28,000 down and a $211,000 mortgage, land records show. The Duncans earn $80,000 a year.”
“They said they so enjoyed owning the house that they took out a $50,000 home equity loan to build a 450-square-foot family room extension. They also racked up another $46,420 on five credit cards as they landscaped their front yard, and purchased new televisions, a $5,500 dining room set and a $5,000 pool table.”
“With bills piling high, a telemarketer called one day and offered a mortgage refinancing to Elizabeth. The woman told her they could refinance all their debt and pay $400 a month less than they were before.”
“The credit card and home equity payoffs, along with mortgage company fees, came to $327,000, at a 9 percent per year interest rate. But there was a catch.”
“Until they received a notice for late taxes, the Duncans said they failed to realize that the loan, unlike most mortgage loans, did not include payments for property taxes. Buried one-inch deep in the paperwork was an ‘Escrow Waiver’ form, mixed in with several other required disclosures.”
“Now the Duncans have set up the escrow account to pay taxes and homeowners insurance, but their mortgage payments are now $200 a month higher than their total debt payments were before they refinanced.”
“The couple say they are angry about the lender not including the $200-a-month escrow payments in the loan, but the Duncans say they realize they have spent themselves into their current crisis.”
“‘We shouldn’t have gone so crazy when we moved in here,’ Elizabeth Duncan said. ‘We went overboard, way overboard.’” “She said she hopes others will learn from their experiences. ‘Maybe someone else won’t make the same mistake,’ she said.”
The Baltimore Sun from Maryland. “Pulte Homes is trying to combat the housing slump with a Halloween-themed ‘monster’ sale at seven Maryland communities, including Baltimore, with incentives that include selling at cost and guaranteeing the purchase of buyers’ current dwellings.”
Buying a home from a national builder..NOW that’s scary. What kind of costume do you wear to the closing? Do you dress as an FB or what?
It would be classic to show up to the party in a costume that is a giant foreclosure notice or eviction notice. Perhaps one could go as the sheriff?
I can’t decide whether to go as a granite counter-top or a plasma screen TV.
LOL, have any of the Florida posters seen the Howl-O-Scream commercial on TV, where a bunch of people are dancing in a club and all of a sudden this Freddy Kruger type monster guy takes over as the DJ, locks the doors so people can’t get out, turns up the lights real bright so people can’t stand it and turns up the music so loud that blood starts running from the ears of the dancers? LOL! Maybe the builders can have a Howl-O-Scream event and lock people in until they buy.
Go as Mr. Housing Bubble! “When I pop, you’re screw&d.”
Either that or as a vampire mortgage broker.
Got popcorn?
Neil
Right, what would a FB costume look like? Like a bum with pockets turned out?
Greasy long blonde hair, Jamba Juice cup and a murse.
LMFAO!!!
BTW - he is back to posting…
Get a two inch stack of paper - label the top sheet in large letters - “MORTGAGE DOCUMENTS” punch a hole through them and hang them around the neck.
Other than that - one could just borrow clothes from just about anyone - from the sound of it.
Better yet - label the top page - “MORTGAGE DOCUMENTS - READ CAREFULLY”. That’ll kick ‘em when they’re down.
Dress like a turtle, upside down.
I’d be costumed as a Potemkin Village
I’d like to invite Count Floyd to the “monster” chiller home Halloween sale…
Without further adieu…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbw9eqy6I0o&mode=related&search=
Hey idiots stop with the gimmicks, the theme party’s and 3 year Lexus leases. Only on thing will sell the houses-the right price-TAKE YOUR MEDICINE!
They also racked up another $46,420 on five credit cards as they landscaped their front yard, and purchased new televisions, a $5,500 dining room set and a $5,000 pool table.”
These are not victims. If anyone is a victim it is me; I don’t even have a $5000 pool table. Who weeps for me???
this was on top of the $50k of “equity” that they drew on…so, between the CC debt and equity loan, they nearly hit 50% of the purchase price of the home.
I am convinced that people, while NOT victims, did fall prey, in some sort of weird way, to a complete loss of financial judgement. I am not by any means absolving them. We must have truly been in some sort of “national mania”. Aside from my (our) ranting, there has got to be a great opportunity to do a thesis on the “financial phenomenon” that has taken place or at least a show on FOX. Maybe the guy that did “Super-size Me” could do it.
Right, Pen. Get ready for the wave of documentaries on this subject.
They used to run a show on getting out of debt. I look for many more of those to spring up. This seems to be the only subject the majority of people are interested in now.
But,I find it hard to believe that this couple didn’t know their impounds were not being collected .Also ,I find it hard to feel sorry for people that run up the credit cards like they did on toys like pool tables and upper end dinning rooms tables .
Im sure during the “real estate mania ” people believed they were covered by rising prices in real estate ,but you still have to make the payment every month .It just doesn’t cut it that lenders were making loans based on perceived equity and a model that real estate always goes up .
This game of refinancing people all the time into new teaser rates was a money maker for a while for the industry ,but it was as evil as a interest only ballon balance 2 year short term loan the lenders use to give people on their last legs with a litle bit of equity left .In past lending cycles ,these short term IO loans were considered emergency loans ,or buy time loans .It’s pretty odd that the industry made “buy a little time loans ‘the main-stream loans pushed at borrowers . The marketing of these loans was pure evil and often a act of fraud .
The used to live in a trailer. The flood of debt available to them when they became homeowners was like inheritance is to paupers. It gets wasted. They had no experience, so no insight. Multiply this story times Millions.
OK, so they blew thru nearly 100k on a spending spree…and now they’re busted. And this is a surprise to whom?
If they’re very lucky, maybe they can rent the double-wide they used to own.
no worries, they have a plan:
“Soon, the Duncans say, they may be forced to sell their new dining room furniture, or take out a cash advance on a credit card in order to make payments and buy some time.”
And they’ll make 15 cents on the dollar on Craig’s List, if they’re lucky.
..seems like nothing more than they were successfully brainwashed into the idea that RE always goes up.. but how did they do it..
Were only a certain sort of people susceptible to such propaganda? Was it due to some false underlying concept that was taught in schools? ..maybe fluoridated water has side effects?
plenty of meat for a thesis… and a few movies, 5 sitcoms, as well as their spin-offs.. half a dozen best sellers..
The fact that so many borrowers got suckered into the “spend now ,pay later” sales pitch tells me it was a huge marketing ploy that gained National acceptance . Look at the NAR talking points during the boom years . All the drone cheerleaders were chanting the same investment scheme ,which was the idea of leverage and real estate always goes up .People were sold on the idea that the loan didn’t matter because a refinance or a sale at a profit was the answer.I guess everybody was suppose to buy three homes and live the high life or fund retirement down the road when greater fools came in and took the house off their hands. The excess inventory , with vacant homes, is mind-blowing to say the least . The money from Wall Street created the biggest mess I have ever seen in a real estate market ,yet the main stream media avoids discussing the real truth about the run up in real estate .
Just in time economy*
*except for the paying your debt, part.
half a dozen best sellers..
Ben’s being one of them
I sent email to the author of the “American Jobs” documentary about the real estate bubble, suggesting that if he is looking for another subject that could be one. He replied and said he was definitely aware of the housing mania. No idea if he will pursue it as a subject. I dug his American Jobs documentary though, it was pretty good.
American Jobs was an eyeopener. Can you send me the contact info?
Remind him that every RE scam has 40 pages of documentation
We have to conclude that people shouldn’t be “free” and banks should again require things like 20% downpayment and income at 25% of mortgage value.
BTW: Back in the day, “stated income / no doc” loans weren’t used by people pretending to have MORE money than they really did—they were used by people pretending to have LESS money. So if you had no documented source of income, but could come up with, say, 30% down at the drop of a hat, you got your mortgage.
I weep for you, you poor poor pooltable-less person. Don’t you know that everyone needs a pool table to be happy?
I read this stuff and couldn’t believe it. A pool table. A 5,000 dining room set. T.v. sets….and now look. They can’t pay their mortgage.
Sigh.
We should never have come down out of the trees. Opposable thumbs be damned.
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I read this stuff and couldn’t believe it. A pool table. A 5,000 dining room set. T.v. sets….and now look. They can’t pay their mortgage.
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They used to live in a two room trailer, right ? Then their origin is “White Trash”. Only WT has that mentality of being stupid in the brain but acting pompous, hoity-toity to the neighbor and relative, or to be exact, to the whole wide world revolving around. Yup, the only antidote now WT is to: DIE !!!
“They said they so enjoyed owning the house that they took out a $50,000 home equity loan to build a 450-square-foot family room extension. They also racked up another $46,420 on five credit cards as they landscaped their front yard, and purchased new televisions, a $5,500 dining room set and a $5,000 pool table.”
Oh, please, I’m supposed to feel sorry for these people? Geez, my TV cost me $25.00 at the pawn shop.
I read a report that the next credit crisis is ‘credit cards’. People are willing to walk from their forclosure and live on the CC - they have nothing to lose. They are willing to lose the house but not the credit cards.
This is all just turning from one big running retreat into a full scale rout.
And when they walk away from the house the CC interest rates shoot up to 30%.
Good luck with that strategy.
Good deal. I had to pay $50 for a used TV twenty years ago.
It is amazing. Americans aren’t lazy. With both spouses in the workforce, our hours worked are, if anything, too high. We’re more educated than ever, and innovative too. But even so, we just can’t earn as much as we want to spend.
The deadly sin is gluttony, not sloth.
Greed, baby, greed…she’ll lead down the path to all the other deadlies. Greed. Evil, evil, evil.
I like both of those sins. But in moderation.
“We’re more educated than ever”
We may have more people with college degrees but I’m not sure that equates into being better educated.
“we’re more educated than ever”
or more brainwashed than ever
believing that we need everything we see on TV.
The deadly sin is gluttony, not sloth.
I agree. We should actually remove sloth from the list. If these folks had been a little more slothy and a lot less gluttonous, they would still be in their mobile home, feeding their sloth-eyed children sugary breakfast food and worring about upgrading from a B&W TV to color.
Long live the slothy!
“They said they so enjoyed owning the house that…”
Yah, that’s it — they just enjoyed it so much they couldn’t help themselves. Greedy idiots.
‘A couple of years ago, there were people knocking on my door trying to buy my house,’ Luceus said’
BTW, mainstream media, this kind of thing was right in front of your face, telling you that there was a housing bubble.
Exactly. But for more enlightenment on what went wrong there, you might be interested in some of the data from Dan Rather’s lawsuit against CBS and from some of the MSM (TV network) folks that have appeared on either Frontline or Bill Moyers (I forget which). Although seemingly disrelated, the climate of secrecy, spin and partisanship that was fostered around the effort to sell the Iraq war set in place the exact mechanics that enabled the housing bubble to be ignored and even bolstered by the MSM. I wish I could remember the name of the guy, but one staffer from CBS who was interviewed mentioned that he was literally pressured by management NOT to run any stories that “would be bad for business”. This sort of thing spread to other areas.
I have been following the career of a local journalist who wrote for a weekly fishwrap in the area, Ben. A very decent guy who has suffered greatly and has departed the area for flyover territory. I wish him well and hope he finds peace. He made one little comment about what was happening with the development in the area and was eviscerated by the local REIC and his next article was more or less an abject apology to some developer for disrespecting property rights. WTF?? I also believe, although I have no direct confirmation of it, that either he or his employer was threatened by the lawyer for the developer. Subsequently, his articles on the state of local RE were somewhat disjointed. So, if this happened to a very minor player in a minor area, can you imagine the pressure brought to bear at major MSM outlets?
I worked for about six-months for a small-town paper, doing features. The editor only wanted articles about busnesses that advertised with them. She didn’t even want me to do stories on the Humane Society because they didn’t advertise the animals up for adoption with them. The other paper (a nickle ads thing, not even a paper) gave them free ads. What a bunch of idiots. I got tired of it and quit.
They don’t call it yellow journalism for nothing.
“can you imagine the pressure brought to bear at major MSM outlets? ”
Absolutely! That is one of the main reasons why we must protect the internet at all cost. Even with all of it’s pitfalls, BS and individual bias the internet is truly the last bastion of free speech and the exchange of ideas.
As long as their business model is based on advertisers and not readers, there will always be a conflict of interest. “Free Press”, tell me about it.
Anyway, my point was, there were members of the MSM who did see it, but were in fact threatened if they tried to report. And for an example closer to home, just look at what Lennar did to Mike Morgan.
However, I do take comfort in the fact that victimizers always end up being victimized themselves. It is inevitable. Justice has a funny way of happening, but usually out of our sight, in ways that might not seem related, like the CEO of an HB who gets misdiagnosed at his expensive hospital or some such thing.
I think Palmetto’s point is right on…Ivy Zelman was deposed in the lawsuit Lennar has against Mike Morgan, and was very soon after separated from Credit Suisse. I know Morgan has written that she was a pretty sloppy analyst, but she was by far the best of a bad lot. Again, with so much money to be made, anyone with a dissenting opinion seemed to have been pressured into silence.
As has been observed before, there is basically no real journalism practiced in the county anymore…outside of the blogosphere and some documentaries.
agree - someone commented yest. they’d been reading some old papers and how journalism was alive and well back then. It goes along with being politically correct and being afraid to state your opinion or be crucified. As an addendum to my post above about working at a small-town paper (8,000), I also covered the crime beat - until I found out there wasn’t any. The local copshop refused to release info about crimes because it would hurt the town’s image (tourist town). A series of break-ins at local businesses was being covered up, but when some of the people found out, they raised hell. One couple was new to the area and were nearly run out for asking questions. People walked around thinking they lived in a totally safe community when all kinds of crimes were being committed. It’s still that way.
I always listened to FM radio until branching out a bit in the last few years. FM tells me about rapes in Darfur, AM leads with the local crime report.
…foreclosures are scarring the landscape…raising fears that the deteriorating real-estate market could hurt property values…These neighborhoods became magnets for real-estate speculators who bought up houses and then resold them for twice what they’d paid.”
Easy come, easy go, so stop complaining.
“hurt property values”
Don’t worry, ‘property values” all across the country are about to be recast downwards. It’s not your neighborhood, it’s national.
Bwahahahaha.
yup.. all ships rose with this tide.. many unrelated at all to property.. college tuitions.. all sorts of things.
i wasn’t saying college tuitions rose .. the comment was over-abbreviated.
I meant that lots of kids are getting their tuition paid courtesy of the bubble.. and these may soon need to find a job.
Oh, that rose too…
Middle class parents, armed first with EZ gov loans, then EZ MEWs, bid up the cost of a college education.
Just look at all the building going on, and the swanky exterior they show to the public, and the millions spent on marketing. A mess.
The state universities are even worse … constantly asking for more dollars from those who can least afford it, and spending it on stadiums and landscaping and “luxury” dorms.
You need two incomes, and you need the right match.’”
This is part of the problem in a nutshell. If you need two incomes to make the mortgage you’re in trouble the day you sign the mortgage payments. You’re going to have to take in boarders when one of you can’t work. We always based our house payments on only one income. At least if you run into problems the other one can get a job and both of you can pick up part time work.
Trouble is in today’s world everyone wants to move from home into a house that’s as nice or better than the one they just came from. No one wants to buy a starter home, so that eliminates a lot of the starter home, first time buyers.
There’s a reason why the excesses of the 80’s turned into more frugal living in the 90’s. No one could afford the 80’s lifestyle anymore. They were all broke. I’d say 2010 to 2020 is going to be more like the 90’s, because we just lived thru the 80’s all over again.
Yeah, the “grunge” scene happened because people really were grungy and poor. It will be interesting to see what kind of fad this bust creates.
I like Ben’s idea about turning the pockets inside out. I’ve thought of walking around that way just for the heck of it and seeing what kind of reaction it gets. Heck, if the bangers can wear their pants below their butt cracks, why not?
Because they look stupid, that’s why not.
An acquaintance who used to work at Folsom prison told me that the extra-large-show-your-butt-crack fad started in men’s lockup by gangs who wanted quick easy anal sex from their “bitches.” I wonder if men who wear their pants like that knew what they were really offering…. hmm maybe they do…
You must live in a locale with sensible people. Becuase here in Chicago no one lived more frugally in the 1990s. That’s when the present day’s excesses really got traction - especially home prices and the types of homes being built.
I moved to Chicago in 1990, to what would now be the eastern edge of Lincoln Square but back then, before the RE mayhem erupted, it was just called Ravenswood. There were street people everywhere, you could still buy a bottle of beer in a bar for $1, and I, driving an 11 year old Plymouth Turismo and making about $24K/year, was called a “yuppie” by the locals. Only later did I realize that showering everyday, trimming my fingernails and combing my hair qualified me for their disdain.
Unfortunately for those locals, who based their opinions of yuppies from what they’d seen in magaizines, the real flood of yuppies showed up around 1995. And the BOOM was on! 1997 Chicago and 1992 Chicago were two completely different cities.
gee, I thought he was talking about arson…
You need two incomes, and you need the right match.
And some kindling.
I agree on buying as if you had to pay on one income. Today its a stretch on two.
I’m really concerned about what the heck is going to happen to incomes in 2008/2009. This downturn will be… interesting (as in the Chinese curse).*
Got popcorn?
Neil
* and yea, it might not be a Chinese curse, but its still a great saying!
“‘We shouldn’t have gone so crazy when we moved in here,’ Elizabeth Duncan said. ‘We went overboard, way overboard.’” “She said she hopes others will learn from their experiences. ‘Maybe someone else won’t make the same mistake,’ she said.”
Lizzie Duncan took a chance
And foreclosure looms, unless they dance
And when she saw what she had done
She heloced the house, for more funds
Ha! That’s great!
Move over, Cowboy Poetry, here comes F*cked Buyer Slams!
LOL
“Phyllis Salowe-Kaye, executive director of the consumer advocate group New Jersey Citizen Action, called such comments ‘blaming the victim.’”
victims?
More nonsense. An adult needs to take responsibility for their actions. Going on a spending spree is not a victim.
That’s exactly what I thought, Renter. But people like old Phyllis there make their living off the backs of victims, too. If there were no victims, she wouldn’t have a job, right?
These “not-for-profit” types are proving most troublesome as of late, aren’t they? There’s a big wet smelly rat sitting atop their populist motives.
Amen, edgewater. While some of these organizations have their place and have done some good in the past, they seem to have become all too prevalent and well funded of late. If they had the balls to really go up against the big guys and get something accomplished, I’d cheer for them. But maybe a look at their donor list would be most enlightening.
“Not-for-profit” does not mean that those employed there are not making serious money. Do remember how much taxpayer largesse has been funneled to them via government programs.
Karl Rove advocated and implemented his strategy of “faith-based’ and ‘community-based’ charities, as a fundamental way of buying votes.
Dear Phyllis Salowe-Kaye
One way or another, everybody is “in the business to make money” Even you, that’s why you have a job. The Duncans should have been in the business of making money instead of borrowing money that they had not made.
I am becoming increasingly perturbed with this form of rationalization. The next time I go to the supermarket I’m going to whine that they’re in the business just to make a buck off of me. And as if that isn’t enough, those greedy bastards are always creating beautiful displays, baking cakes, and having two for one sales just to get me to buy more calories than I need. Basically, every business I can think of tries to sell me just a bit more than I need or would otherwise buy. It is my responsibility to, Stop, Think, Decide and then spend.
Got Victims?
Yeah!!!! I was just at the super market and MILK which is suppose to be in short supply has discounts for two gallons at a time. Why is that if there is a shortage?
And, it’s not like it’s that easy to buy a house. You have to fill out forms, meet with at least 3 people over the course of a few days, and then sit in a room at “closing” with seller’s rep, buyer’s rep, and title company and sign your name about 50 times.
That’s about 60 opportunities total to say: “Wait a minute! I want out of this deal over a closing period ranging from a week to a month.”
This year I’m going to Halloween as my favorite presidential candidate.
Got Ron Paul?
http://www.ronpaul2008.com
Got Ross Perot? Nope.. What we “got” was a Clinton.
I hear you, but with your line of reasoning we will NEVER break out of a corporate bought and sold 2 party system.
Got facism?
Oh no! We might get HIllary! Like that would be so much worse or even different right? Frick and Frack and all the partisans can see is their own party no matter how fricked up they are.
Voting the lesser of two evils is still evil. The Republican party has been moving steadily left by invoking that very same manta. If you don’t vote for our guy you might get Frankenstein! All the while they continue to take us down the path of ever bigger government, Socialist policies and international pandemonium. Not to mention a financial house of cards.
This is why the shills that sell houses and lend money can’t be trusted for quotes.
March 2007: “We’ve been a little more fortunate,” said Tom Shaner, executive director of the Maryland Association of Mortgage Brokers. “People here are generally doing better.”
Maryland is a high-income state, houses are more expensive and employment is solid, said chairman of the Sage Policy Group Anirban Basu.”
Maryland had the 46th-lowest subprime loan foreclosure rate, well behind Ohio, Michigan and Indiana, which were the top three in the Mortgage Bankers’ survey. Nearly one out of every 10 subprime loans issued in these states in the last three months of 2006 ended in foreclosure, the survey found.
http://www.stmarystoday.com/News/MarylandSubprimeLoan032307.html
June 2007: “Maryland’s foreclosure ranking jumped from 40th in the nation last year to 18th in June, state officials said. Prince George’s County has the highest percentage of homes in foreclosure in the state, and Fort Washington is one of the hardest-hit communities in the Washington region.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/09/AR2007100901997.html
Today: “Foreclosures are also rising nationwide, but not as rapidly as in Maryland, the RealtyTrac numbers suggest. Impending-auction notices jumped 70 percent across the country last month, while lenders took back twice as many properties as they had a year earlier.”
“The picture in Maryland is a troubling picture, and we cannot deny that. In virtually every corner of the state, foreclosure events have increased dramatically,” said Thomas E. Perez, the state secretary of labor, licensing and regulation.”
http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-bz.foreclosure12oct12,0,354493,full.story
The internet is a bitch. Can’t hide the history.
I’m quite perplexed of how we went from 46th to 15th in a span of March to October? I think the local press let me down…
I really like this little gem in today’s story:
“RealtyTrac ranks Maryland 15th worst based on the number of total foreclosure filings per household, one out of every 806. But the rate is likely higher; the company says it does not have information on default notices for many counties in the state, the first stage in the process.”
So, it seems were now 15th, and that without data from many counties…
“The Toms River couple are finding it increasingly hard to make the $3,200 monthly payments on their $327,000 mortgage, which they refinanced last year at a 9 percent interest rate. They are not sure how they are going to make this month’s installment.”
Toms River was ranked the 14th safest city to live in, of 369 American Cities, and has it’s own yacht club, amongst other niceties.
93% of the population is white, which speaks volumes~
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toms_River,_New_Jersey
The couple Duncan, to me at least…
Seem more irresponsible than even that strawberry picker making $15k, that “bought” a $700k house.
The “rich” are just like the rest of our country, only more so.
Toms River
9% - not many think to run the numbers through one of the many free online amortization calculators, do they?
Now they are blaiming the newspapers. What a joke!
http://realtytimes.com/rtapages/20060622_sicklyrevenues.htm
That is one incredible article, Doug. Interestingly, that’s the whole mantra of the RE agents around here, “It’s the media’s fault and if they’d just shut up, homes would sell”.
Maybe the REIC ought to look at the fact that the media was complicit for a good many years. The media is only reporting now because the problem has grown way too big to ignore.
As to the ridiculous assertion that the media is running these stories to blackmail the REIC into advertising, they can get bent. Because the truth is, the REIC advertising $$ dried up in advance of the “crisis” reporting, because sales had already pulled back, just nobody admitted it.
Also RE advertising is way down. The media isn’t being paid well enough to lie through their teeth anymore.
Wow, 3 articles in row blaming newspapers for “attacking” Real Estate Agents and cackling like the witch she is about layoffs at the New York Times after they dared run an story on bloated commisions. Got an axe to grind there by any chance ? And she’s such a blowhard that comments are not allowed, what a joke !
““In Westchester, Jacqueline Borrero said the mortgage payment on the two-family home her brother bought for $299,000 in 1998 rose to $4,800 from $4,000 last May. The loan will cost $5,100 a month starting in November, when the interest rate increases to 11 percent.””
If they will have to pay 5100 a month at 11 percent, then they must have a loan of over 500K for their 300K home.
Of course! (as I said in my comment, they have $200K worth of HELOC’d crap and cars they want to keep). But do the newspaper reporters bother doing any math?
Jeez, Louise! They can’t be telling the whole story here! If they bought in 1998 with an ARM, they had plenty of opportunity in 2003-2005 to get a 30 or 15 year fixed at 5.5% or so.
Their real problem is that they must have “pulled money out” with some crazy option-ARM and now don’t want to pay for it!
And this is a 2-family-home! So they have an income source, to boot! And she had 9 years, from 1998 to 2007, to figure out a way to keep her payment constant with a fixed mortgage.
I’m sure she’ll be in the papers in a few weeks, amid the $200,000 worth of cars and crap she HELOC’d, saying “Boo Hoo Hoo We Lost Everything” and expecting to keep it all for “free” and walk away.
HBB-CRASH PROOF
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cyberspace is eating posts….
Listen to this b.s.
Reuters reports that several big banks, JP Morgan, Citigroup, Chase and Bank of America Corp, are involved in discussions in an attempt to stave off a financial meltdown created (basically) by Mr. Magoo’s free money operation which, in turn, gave birth to everyone and his bother getting sub prime which, until a few years ago, was reserved for the very few. Reuters quotes: “The US Treasury is involved in discusssions, but taxpayer money is not expected to be used.” (lol) They are also attempting to get the British banks involved and the Swiss banking system. The Brits and the Swiss declined to comment.”
A lot of this getting together of the worlds Financial Gangsters (similar to the notorious meeting of all the Mafia familes in upstate New York in the 1940’s) is because several of the Financial Gangsters “familes” (Merrill Lynch, Citigroup, UBS to name a few of the Financial Gangsters of Wall Street, are having to make billions of dollars in asset write-offs and are still struggling to sell (that means dump!) billions of dollars in loans which, we can assume, few people want (cause the loans stink!)
Okay, here comes the joke. What’s sad is that the Financial Gangsters Of Wall Street (a.k.a Da Boyz) and the Fed and the government, obviously think the people they govern (and fleece) really ARE stupid sheep. How can I back that up? Read this comment concerning the Wall Street Gangsters and the Fed and the bail out of a speculative hedge fund (they are ALL speculative and highly leveraged). Reuters states:
“The government led discussions are similar to conversations the Federal Reserve Bank of New York conducted in 1998 to help organize the bail out of hedge fund Long Term Capital Management. Taxpayer funds were not used to bail out Long-Term either.”
So, according to the Reuters article, the Fed and the Government and the Financial Gangsters didn’t conspire (and that’s the correct word) to rescue a speculative financial entity Long Term Capital by using tax payer funds. Of course, printing up more US confetti money, which loses value with every excess dollar you print, to bail out speculators and gamblers, doesn’t affect the average American. It only really hurts those who invested in the fund and hoped to reap big rewards by speculating. Sure….
I can’t understand why antitrust issues aren’t raised. If this were oil companies getting together to ensure a certain supply level was met, Feds / citizens (notice I didn’t call them consumers) would be up in arms.
far as I’m concerned, an attempt to “stave off a financial meltdown” has my blessings.
Here in Vancouver, the Real Estate Board of Greater Vancouver (REBGV) has now stopped providing date-of-listing info for the general public.
Seems as if they are trying to obsure HOW LONG properties are staying on the market.