Homes Selling At Last Year’s Prices In Texas
The Daily News reports from Texas. “Karen Smith and husband Gerald Cleveland had no ambitions to become landlords. But their custom-built West End home has been on the market for more than a year. Even a $100,000 price cut didn’t budge it. And the longer it sat, the warmer they got to the idea of tenants. This week, they hammered a second sign into their yard, this one heralding the home’s debut in the rental market.”
“Since January, developers have either built, begun or announced plans to build more than 4,200 condominium units on the island, according to the Galveston Economic Development Partnership. Meanwhile, developers are planning hundreds more rooftops on the West End.”
“Smith and Cleveland are asking $595,000 for the three-bedroom, 2.5-bath resort home. They’re willing to rent it for $2,700 a month until the housing market rebounds.”
“Smith and Cleveland say too much competition pushed them reluctantly down the path to landlordship. ‘With all these condos springing up on the island, homes seem to be going much slower,’ Smith said. ‘Why do developers keep building?’”
“In August, the island had an 18.6-month supply on the market, according to the most recent statistics available from the center.”
“The Galveston MLS offered 1,764 homes for sale in August, up 176 percent from a year ago. Not all homes for sale are listed on the service.”
The Express News. “What can you do for me? It’s the first question potential home buyers are asking these days when they walk into a builder’s model home, and with good reason.”
“With a few thousand ready-for-move-in homes awaiting owners, San Antonio’s new-home market has shifted in favor of buyers for the first time in at least five years. Some builders are offering upgrades, discounts off the price of a home, money toward a down payment or no-cost move-in deals.”
“San Antonio has about 3,000 completed new homes, according to Metrostudy, a housing research firm. ‘That’s higher than a year ago,’ said Keith Fahey, vice president of marketing for Centex Homes in San Antonio. ‘Last year at this time, we had about 1,900 homes. It’s got us above the equilibrium.’”
“Translation: Homes are on sale. ‘Now is the time,” said David Marne, owner of the Half Priced Real Estate Co. ‘You can pick up some gems right now. There are homes selling at last year’s prices.’”
“Builders are much more flexible than they were a year ago. Centex, for instance, is offering buyers a set amount of money, depending on the home’s price, that they can use for upgrades, for buying down their mortgage interest rate or for a down payment.”
“‘A lot of people are using it toward their down payment,’ Fahey said. ‘People can afford the monthly payment. It’s the down payment that is a problem.’”
“But home buyers shouldn’t get too caught up in the incentives, said Jane Caskey, manager at the Coldwell Banker D’Ann Harper Realtors office in Alamo Ranch. ‘The builders are setting the discount, but they’re also setting the starting price,’ Caskey said. ‘Is it really a discount?’”
“Often, it is. But it makes sense to stop and ask questions about how the builder arrived at both the price and the discount. On a spec home, for instance, the builder may have finished the home several months ago and had a deal with another buyer fall apart. The house has been sitting empty ever since.”
“‘There’s a difference between what it cost them to build it six months ago and today,’ Marne said. In those six months, the price of homes in the neighborhood has been climbing every month.”
“Making an offer that is lower than today’s prices but higher than prices six months ago often results in a good deal for the buyer (and for the builder who finally can get that house off his books). ‘It’s still more than they were going to get for the house six months ago,’ Marne said. ‘Everything is negotiable.’”
“The biggest problem in San Antonio real estate was an invasion of out-of-town investors in 2005 and 2006, most of whom have since left the market. Those investor-buyers helped fuel a run-up in building, then backed out of contracts when it was clear San Antonio wasn’t the kind of market where double-digit returns can be had.”
“The result was those 3,000 inventory homes on which buyers now can get a good deal. ‘We have job growth, but we overbuilt,’ said Jack Inselmann, of Metrostudy.”
The Dallas Morning News. “Home starts fell almost 30 percent in the Dallas-Fort Worth area during the third quarter. Sales of new housing fell to 10,000 units during the third quarter in Dallas-Fort Worth. Homes priced under $200,000 are seeing the biggest decline.”
“And sales of new houses were off 20 percent from the same period of 2006, according to Metrostudy Inc. The drop in new home sales was in line with the 19 percent dip in pre-owned homes reported earlier.”
“Builders started 8,855 houses in the just-completed quarter. That’s down from more than 12,000 starts in the same period of 2006. At the same time, sales fell to 10,000 units, a decline from 12,520 new home purchases a year earlier.”
“Through the first nine months of the year, new home sales in Dallas-Fort Worth are off 14 percent, according to Metrostudy. Most of the drop in sales has been in houses priced under $200,000, buyers most likely to be affected by recent toughening in home loan underwriting standards.”
“‘The reason the closings have been off so much is because of the mortgage problems,’ said David Brown, director of Metrostudy’s Dallas office.”
“Builders have managed to trim the inventory of homes available for purchase by almost 4,500 units so far this year. ‘It’s going to take awhile longer,’ Mr. Brown said. ‘We still have 24,500 new homes in inventory,’ both completed and under construction. ‘That needs to get down under 20,000.’”
“Although builders have cut back on the number of speculative houses they build, many homebuyers back out of the purchase before the house is finished. ‘We are continuing to hear of elevated cancellation rates,’ he said.”
“‘Sometimes they don’t know whether they have a spec house or not until they get to the closing table,’ Mr. Brown said.”
“North Texas home sales plunged in September. The 19 percent drop in sales of pre-owned homes was the largest annual decline in more than seven years.”
“Local real estate agents sold only 6,031 pre-owned homes last month, according to statistics released Monday by the North Texas Real Estate Information System. That’s a big falloff from August’s 8,480 sales and the lowest monthly total since February.”
“‘The tightened mortgage market has forced some buyers, especially first-time or easy credit-dependent buyers, out of the market,’ said Jim Gaines, an economist with Texas A&M University’s Real Estate Center. Dr. Gaines said this change ‘reflects a reversion to market norms rather than the sky falling.’”
“Real estate agent Bob Edmonson said some ‘buyers have been scared off, thinking that either they won’t be able to qualify or home prices may go lower. I wonder just how many people are incapable of obtaining a mortgage now vs. how many think they can’t get a mortgage,’ he said.”
“At the end of September, almost 49,000 pre-owned single-family homes were for sale in North Texas, an increase of about 4 percent from a year earlier. That works out to about a 6.5-month supply.”
“The outlook for October sales isn’t promising. At the start of the month, the number of pending home sales in the pipeline was down 17 percent.”
‘With all these condos springing up on the island, homes seem to be going much slower,’ Smith said. ‘Why do developers keep building?’
IMO, Texas is one of the clearest examples of how and why artificial price hikes are doomed to fall, as even a first year economics student can see the over-production that results. This is why there is no practical way to artificially maintain these prices; the builders will simply continue to over produce.
And if Texas hasn’t had a bubble, why all this talk of prices going up every month, last years prices and out of state speculators?
BTW, this couple on Galveston are nuts to think they are going to get close to $3k/month in rent.
My head just explodes reading this crap. It’s bred into the people here, “if you can’t say something PAH-IS-ITIVE, don’t say anything at all!” It creates a culture of self deception and sugar coating of everything.
I’m sure out of staters notice this when they come here. They first experience it as “Texas hospitality” or friendliness but stick around awhile to see what it really is!
txchic,
I couldn’t agree more. Dallas feels like it’s populated by either snake oil salesman or televangelists. By the way, the hospitality ends the moment you get on the road, we’ve got some of the nastiest crazy mofo drivers in the country - and, that’s saying something, because we live in a country of extremely discourteous drivers. Meanwhile, the building continues in downtown Dallas in an attempt to revitalize an area that’s never been vital or open after 6PM ever. Free downtown luxury condos for everyone.
Karl! My partner in crime in Dissing Dallas! My next post was going to be asking where you are!
I was just in the State-Thomas condo ghetto this a.m. at a friend’s place. Right outside his lovely 500K townhouse was a nice spot on the sidewalk where some drunken frat boy puked his guts up last night and nobody bothered to clean it up. Lovely.
My Octomom travels like a dervish…
She took a trip through the innards of the bible belt and came away thinking that religion and the selling of, was an important part of making a living, there.
yikes
My wife and I just got done jogging past the homeless encampment next to City Hall. Wow, the smell of stale urine and three day old feces is horrible enough when you rent, but it must really “stink” when you’ve dropped a half-million on a condo just around the block. I don’t mind Uptown except that everything is priced at twice what I would pay. Oh, and there’s the rude-ass $30K/YR millionaire crowd to deal with. Seems like I want to take a baseball bat to some roided out moron every time I’m in that neck of the woods.
Favorite Octomom quote, after returning from the Ukraine, I asked her, what was it like?
“Iowa, without the charm”
The homeless bum turned up his nose as he staggered past the vacant condo complex, his preference being a home with a garden area. He’d long ago acquired the habit, and still preferred, sleeping on grass.
“I only gotta walk me a couple more blocks.” he mumbled to himself.
Out here on the left coast we have a preacher in Fresno called Brother Al. He loves race horses and blondes. His PO box is the second biggest in Fresno for his collections. The biggest is the Box (s) for the IRS. Wouldn’t you know?
Funny, when I was in school in Arlington in the 80’s, the local airwaves provided at least one televangelist show 24 hours a day. This stuff was so over the top that we would tape some shows and watch them over and over for the comedic value. I do believe many have gone away by now, though.
Benny Hinn, Robert Tilton and Dr. Gene Scott were faves of mine after long night out drinking. These guys continue to rake in the dough to this day - they are truly living the American dream. Praise the Lord.
Scott died over 18 months ago.
Scott was unbelievable. He would sit there showing pictures of race horses and sing blues songs.
Remember Reverend Bob? The guy in Garland who had that crazy phone message?
http://www.farting-preacher.com/farting_preacher_1.htm
My favorite was some overly muscled up (dare I say steroids? hmmmmm) faith heel’ers that would tear apart the telephone book, for alldeity.
From the O.C., if memory serves.
I grew up on just the other side of the Orange Curtain.
It IS our Stepford State County.
Wow - Gene Scott died. I guess God called him home. His daughter/wife probably got herself a pretty nice chunk of change.
I spilled my coffee in the screen. Is that for real?
Yeah, I hadn’t heard that about Scott either. Wasn’t he based in LA?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Scott
Gene never died, he just went into syndication.
Hey Ben, where did you go to school in Arlington? I lived there at the time; attended UTA (BBA-Accounting) from 1981-1985.
Plus, I’ll stand by my original assessment that all those guys are still raking it in, even though Gene reached room temperature.
By the way, the “Rev Bob” Robert Tilton was out in Farmers Branch at a place called Word of Faith. I sold him, Dr. Larry Lea (Church on the Rock) and Rev. WV Grant (Eagles Nest Cathedral) all BMW’s back before I went to law school. These televangelists and faith healers all had real expensive tastes in luxury automobiles. Grant brought in a suitcase full of twenty’s for his purchase. We can really breed the con men in this part of the country.
Nowhere in the constitution does is say, we owe allegiance to invisibility…
Does it?
A psychologist friend tells me that people who have been abused as children are particularly liable to fall prey to this kind of thing, also to joining cults.
UT Arlington.
‘Why do developers keep building?” The question is why do bankers still give these idiots credit to build more houses. The kickbacks to the lenders most overcome all rational sense. With no credit from banks, no more new houses. STOP THE MADNESS!!
Galveston is a funny place. About eight years ago, my wife and I saw an advertisement for a house on the beach (Gulf front) for about $250,000. We thought “Wow, Gulf front for only $250K.”
Then we went and looked at it. It was nice … but … the remains of a home that used to be Gulf front was sitting in about 10 feet of water off the coast. The house for sale was the house next to it, which had now become Gulf front. The idiot builders had built on constantly shifting coastline. For $250K, you had a house on the Gulf for maybe 10 years, depending on hurricances, etc. After that, your property was literally underwater.
Every time you turn your faucet on and draw a gallon of water, the coast line creep in just a little bit. Last I heard, wells had sunk the elevation about ten feet.
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BTW, this couple on Galveston are nuts to think they are going to get close to $3k/month in rent.
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Yup, definitely a big NUTS there. As a matter of fact it is so big of a NUTS that you may want to call it a cocoNUTS. Why ? I am from Houston, TX. I have been living in Houston since 1979. Galveston is a shitty, non-economic producing town. And it is hot like hell during the summer down there. To spend $3000 for a rental down there ? Name me the type of profession of job for a person or family in the group that have $3K after tax to pay for a rental home ? The only type of profession that I can think of that can afford a $3K rental home in Galveston, TX would be the “one” profession that is oldest in the history of mankind…
Hahhh, Hahhh, Hahhh… $3K for a rental home in Galveston, TX. For me the max I would pay is $1,200 for a month of that home and the water bill and natural gas bill has to be included in the rental cost already.
““Builders are much more flexible than they were a year ago. Centex, for instance, is offering buyers a set amount of money, depending on the home’s price, that they can use for upgrades, for buying down their mortgage interest rate or for a down payment.”
“‘A lot of people are using it toward their down payment,’ Fahey said. ‘People can afford the monthly payment. It’s the down payment that is a problem.’”
Uh - isn’t this fraud? Does the bank know that the builder is kicking back money for the downpayment, and that the homeowner isn’t actually putting up the money? If this is legal, what is the point of a downpayment - everyone will just inflate the sale price by the amount of the downpayment and kick the downpayment back to the purchaser. Back to zero-down purchases!
Well a payment from the builder is not fraudulent if it is disclosed, of course. But if it is disclosed, then it must be counted as a discount on the house price, not as a down payment. It appears that there is a criminal investigation into Beazer Homes having done this:
Beazer Opens The Door To Litigation
“An email from Lemar C. Wooley, a public affairs specialist at HUD, revealed only one regulation relating to down payments. The rule states that a down payment cannot be paid for a borrower by anyone with a vested interest in the sale of the property, such as a seller, real estate agent or broker, builder, or any entity associated with them. Gifts of this type are considered “inducements to purchase” and must be subtracted from the sale price.”
Except that FHA has explicitly allowed the seller to launder the money through a “non-profit.” See
http//www.gao.gov/new.items/d0624.pdf
My guess is that they have evidence explicitly showing that they raised the price above market value, which is a no-no. Since market value is a somewhat squishy concept, they would have had to have been stupid enough to write some memos saying “hey, charge above market value for these things” - but maybe they did. All this is different from the allegations in the Charolotte Observer series, which said that Beazer was gaming the income used in underwriting - that has nothing to do with the down payment assistance issue, and I’ve seen so much confused reporting on this that I’m not sure just what is going on.
Of course it’s fraud .Why do you think the builders want their buyers to use their “special lenders “.
And I’m about to put my house up for sale in this market… (No real choice, one of those life altering events).
Good thing I only need about $45 sq/ft to come out ahead.
What area?
Sonebridge/Lakeshore area of Rockwall (late 70’s neighborhood), just off Lake Ray Hubbard between I-30 and 66.
It’s a big, very custom, house (the whole neighborhood is pretty custom, very anti-subdivision feel).
Life’s thrown me a few curveballs this year, and I’m actually working Austin now, and living there during the week.
We will probably move to something 1/2 the size or smaller, and can take our time.
Good luck.
Galveston oh Galveston,
I can see foreclosures growing,
Cause the mortgage money’s stopped a flowing,
Better get your gun,
If you live in Galveston.
LOL. A few shots of penicillin wouldn’t be a bad thing either, especially if you plan to enter the water.
That’s very true. I knew a captain who had a small cut on his hand. He continued to work in the gulf and five days later was in the emergency room getting shots of cipro into his now-gigantic hand.
First and last time I went into the water there, my wife and I left with very itchy legs. I don’t get that from going into the Gulf where I live in Florida.
“Builders are much more flexible than they were a year ago. Centex, for instance, is offering buyers a set amount of money, depending on the home’s price, that they can use for upgrades, for buying down their mortgage interest rate or for a down payment.”
“‘A lot of people are using it toward their down payment,’ Fahey said. ‘People can afford the monthly payment. It’s the down payment that is a problem.’”
Uh - isn’t this fraud? Does the bank know that the purchaser actually isn’t putting up money for the down payment, but is getting the down payment kicked back from the seller? If this is legal, why doesn’t everyone do it - inflate the sale price by the amount of the down payment and kick it back to the seller. Back to zero down!
In DFW, the slower sales has not translated into better prices for new construction at the entry level, at least when measured against the rent the property would receive. While the builders are offering various incentives, the net price is still more than one could have gotten 2-3 years ago, yet the rent is about the same (though that may change soon as the vacancy rate is significantly less). I keep hoping to find some new construction deals similar to what I have obtained in the past, but the irony is that the slowdown has caused the builders to do a better job of managing their inventory. A couple of years ago, they would just build and hope people would buy and every once in a while they would build too much and offer incentives to move inventory. Now, they are much more careful about building on spec such that the really good incentives are hard to find.
Can you explain to my tiny mind why you would want to invest in entry level DFW housing? What sort of return have you seen historically that would be better than, say, a Vanguard Total Stock Market fund without all the hassle?
Please tell me no one is actually renting a 3/2 in Galveston for $2700/mo?
I’d say the average year round Galveston resident would be hard pressed to afford $700 much less $2,700.
Clowns. I agee with the chick. Completely overpriced.
Btw: Their tax assessment is $507k. $90K less that what they are asking.
http://www.galvestoncad.org/Appraisal/PublicAccess/PropertyHistory.aspx?PropertyID=237229&PropertyOwnerID=260929&NodeID=11&FirstTaxYear=2007&LastTaxYear=2004
Now, If only those greedy buyers would stop holding out.
“Making an offer that is lower than today’s prices but higher than prices six months ago often results in a good deal for the buyer (and for the builder who finally can get that house off his books). ‘It’s still more than they were going to get for the house six months ago,’ Marne said. ‘Everything is negotiable.’”
- I haven’t had my second cup of coffee yet - what the hell are they trying to say?
“We’re screwed, but we hope we can find a few more suckers to catch the falling knife firmly by the blade”
Is it really so hard for an analyst to say “Prices need to fall till the average salary in an area can afford the average home in the same area?”
Btw, in my neck of the woods (Washington Heights, Manhattan [the realtors can call it Hudson Heights all they want]), I’ve seen apartments drop 10-20% in asking price with nary a taker to be seen. Let the card house continue to tumble…
Marne is trying to create the illusion that the bottom has passed and prices should stay stable if not turn up. Now is a good time to buy kinda thing.
1970’s rage: Tennis Court
2000’s rage: Tenant Courting
“Karen Smith and husband Gerald Cleveland had no ambitions to become landlords. But their custom-built West End home has been on the market for more than a year. Even a $100,000 price cut didn’t budge it. And the longer it sat, the warmer they got to the idea of tenants. This week, they hammered a second sign into their yard, this one heralding the home’s debut in the rental market.”
“Smith and Cleveland are asking $595,000 for the three-bedroom, 2.5-bath resort home. They’re willing to rent it for $2,700 a month until the housing market rebounds.”
How can you miss the boat three times?
1. $595,000 is laughable.
2. $2,700 is nuts.
3. You can wait for the “rebounds” a very long time.
Greed knows no bounds. They deserve a knife.
$600k and yet Texans will try to tell you prices haven’t gone up. Raw land has skyrocketed.
“What can you do for me? It’s the first question potential home buyers are asking these days when they walk into a builder’s model home, and with good reason.”
“With a few thousand ready-for-move-in homes awaiting owners, San Antonio’s new-home market has shifted in favor of buyers for the first time in at least five years. Some builders are offering upgrades, discounts off the price of a home, money toward a down payment or no-cost move-in deals.”
When I was a lad, we’d go to the Pomona Fair and i’d get to watch the carnies ply their slippery trade, cajoling victims to spend much more than the trinket (of no use, usually) was worth financially in a game of rigged chance, to an audience that more often than not, never knew what hit them.
Bigger Better Circus, and the carnies wear 3 piece tailored suits now~
S.P.Q.A.
“Home starts fell almost 30 percent in the Dallas-Fort Worth area during the third quarter. Sales of new housing fell to 10,000 units during the third quarter in Dallas-Fort Worth. Homes priced under $200,000 are seeing the biggest decline.”“And sales of new houses were off 20 percent from the same period of 2006, according to Metrostudy Inc. The drop in new home sales was in line with the 19 percent dip in pre-owned homes reported earlier.”
And we don’t have a “bubble” here and prices are unlikely to fall continues to be the talk in Texas.
Talk by who? People who have RE to sell. Not owners by any means.
Maybe, but I’m glad I didn’t let them shout me down when I was posting on Texas in early 2005. Same for Colorado.
Orwell speak:
aladinsane, how’s it hangin’?
Equilibrium, dude.
“San Antonio has about 3,000 completed new homes, according to Metrostudy, a housing research firm. ‘That’s higher than a year ago,’ said Keith Fahey, vice president of marketing for Centex Homes in San Antonio. ‘Last year at this time, we had about 1,900 homes. It’s got us above the equilibrium.’”
Blast from the past: NAR Propaganda c. September/October 2005, “Home Price Analysis for Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington”
Part concerning their “Stress Test”, which seemed to be deleted in later versions. A good thing too because the boilerplate words for the two areas I looked at were almost identical.
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Price declines in the local market are unlikely according to our stress test.
• The local housing market will experience a price decline of 5% only under extreme unlikely scenarios of much higher mortgage rates. For example, mortgage rates rising to 19.5% in combination with 73,000 job losses could lead to a price decline
I live in El Paso, TX and plan to buy a house.
Any insights on el paso re.
should i wait till the end of 2008 to buy?
What % off should I ask if I want to buy now?
thank you guys.