October 22, 2007

An Arrangement That Became Less Worthwhile

The Kennebec Journal reports from Maine. “Augusta has tended to trail other communities in Kennebec County, in population, income and new housing. ‘Around the year 2000, something happened,’ says Hallowell consultant Frank O’Hara. ‘Augusta joined the national housing boom. Augusta’s population turned up for the first time in 20 years. What prompted the change? ‘It wasn’t an increase in jobs,’ said O’Hara, ‘The city lost about 750 jobs between 2001 and 2005. It wasn’t an increase in incomes.’”

The Boston Globe from Massachusetts. “Middlesex North Register of Deeds Richard P. Howe Jr. was at the Registry when housing prices tripled, and he is there now, as overextended homeowners are losing the roofs over their heads.”

“After the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the US government and business leaders became concerned that the economy would never recover, said Howe, so the Federal Reserve began charging a lot less for financial institutions to borrow money. That, combined with easier-than-ever-to-obtain credit, drove up housing prices, he said, and triggered the refinancing boom.”

“‘People realized that, for the same monthly payment, they could pull $50,000 out of their home, and they went crazy,’ he said. ‘They’d go out and buy a new car, take a trip to Disney World, and get that new kitchen.’”

“Because people believed they could always sell their homes for more than they paid, ‘the only question people were asking was, ‘Can I afford the monthly payment?’ he said.”

“‘The spring of 2003 was the busiest we have ever been,’ he said. That year, the registry recorded 140,000 documents, he said. ‘That summer, people here were eating PowerBars at their desks, instead of going to lunch, because of the volume of work,’ Howe recalled.”

“As 2004 began, he said, the market was still robust, but he was getting nervous. ‘You’d heard the stories about ‘For sale’ signs going up, and the seller getting three offers the next day, all above the asking price,’ he said. ‘That’s when I started telling people, ‘This won’t end well.’”

“The September median price of a single-family home in Massachusetts was $304,000, down 4.4 percent from a year ago, and September was the 17th straight month that prices have fallen on a year-to-year basis, a report out today said.”

“The number of Massachusetts single-family homes sold in September was 3,735, an 18.7 percent drop from September 2006 and the steepest monthly decline in a year, the Warren Group said.”

“‘It appears we’re seeing in September the ramifications of July’s credit crisis,’ said Timothy Warren Jr., CEO of the Warren Group. ‘We’re also seeing the tightening of the mortgage market. Jumbo mortgages are becoming less common.’”

“The total number of foreclosures in 36 Massachusetts communities north of Boston nearly tripled from January through September compared with the same period last year, showing the national mortgage turmoil is hitting home with a vengeance.”

“‘You can see that it’s a crisis,’ said John L. O’Brien, registrar of deeds for southern Essex County. ‘It’s starting to take on a life of its own.’”

“The numbers of lenders buying back properties at auctions now is on a par with the deep housing recession of the early ’90s, a broker said.” “‘It’s been years since we’ve seen anything like this,’ said Juliana Tache, a broker in Salem, which is marketing more than 100 homes and condos owned by lenders.”

“‘A lot of distressed properties are clogging up the system,” Warren said. ‘When you have a lot of bargain prices out there, it’s hard for people to sell at the full, fair-market value.’”

The Eagle Tribune from Massachusetts. “‘You look at communities that had a high rate of homeownership a few years ago, now there are two and three vacant buildings on the block,’ said Tina Brooks, state undersecretary for Housing and Community Development. ‘That puts a stigma on that community.’”

“‘We can’t save a lot of these foreclosures - people made very bad decisions and couldn’t afford any type of mortgage,’ said Sen. Susan C. Tucker.”

The Staten Island Advance from New York. “For the first time in his life, Tony Morreale must ask for help to pay his mortgage. Despite recent promises of aid for struggling homeowners from everyone from President Bush to Morreale’s own lender, Countrywide Home Loans, Morreale isn’t getting a lot of sympathy.”

“Morreale and his wife are two months behind on monthly mortgage payments of $3,360 on their semi-attached home in Arden Heights, and their adjustable rate mortgage is set to adjust again in six months to $3,600.”

“Morreale acknowledges he’s made financial missteps along the way. He’s not the only one who’s made some bad decisions. A Manhattan-based nonprofit estimates that foreclosures on the Island could reach 1,471 by the end of this year, when adjustable rate mortgages reset.”

“‘If home prices were still rising, borrowers would have better opportunities to refinance. It’s not a perfect storm, but there can be these cascades of events,’ said Keith Gumbinger, VP of HSH Financial Associates.”

“‘Their adjustable rate mortgage, which jumped by $380 in July, will jump again early next year to $3,600. ‘We should be living in Beverly Hills for that,’ Morreale joked.”

The Long Island Business News from New York. “Foreclosures have hit Long Island hard, but with a slew of adjustable rate mortgages ready to reset, the worst may be yet to come.”

“The conventional wisdom that Long Island’s wealth would deflect the foreclosure collapse is clearly wrong. In fact, Suffolk County topped the national foreclosure average in the first half of 2007; one out of every 180 Suffolk homes entered foreclosure between January and June, compared to the national average of one in every 216 homes, Kamer said.”

“Kamer (pointed) out that 51 percent of Long Island residents already live in unaffordable housing – a home is considered unaffordable if the owner spends more than 30 percent of household income on it. ‘It’s likely that the foreclosure problem will be worse on Long Island than elsewhere,’ she said.”

The Philly Burbs from Pennsylvania. “Homeowners across the country and around the state are defaulting on their mortgages at a record pace — and Bucks and Montgomery counties aren’t immune from the trend.”

“‘Our numbers definitely are up this year,’ said Sharon Krusen, who coordinates real estate cases for the Bucks County Sheriff’s Office.”

“‘The people in trouble now are just the beginning,’ said Mike Bannon, head of Bucks County’s Consumer Protection office. ‘The first wave is affecting the less expensive houses, but I think it’s going to keep spreading.’”

“‘Subprime refers to the loan, not the borrower,’ said Joseph Mason, a professor of finance at Drexel University. ‘It’s a loan that allows the borrower to borrow more than they would otherwise be eligible for, by lending you an amount that’s way above your means.’”

“The only way for people to buy homes that would otherwise be out of their financial reach was to keep their monthly payments down by using loans that don’t pay down the principal, Mason said.”

“‘For awhile, this was OK with people, because housing prices were rising, which would give people an ownership stake in the home,’ Mason said. ‘When that stopped, the arrangement became less worthwhile.’”

The Press of Atlantic City from New Jersey. “Elliot Building Group on Nov. 6 will auction off all of its properties at 14 New Jersey and Pennsylvania developments - including Seapine Estates in Egg Harbor Township and Forest Walk in Millville.”

“Founder and Chairman Brad Elliott said Friday that the company has abandoned attempts to reorganize under Chapter 11 bankruptcy and will sell all of its assets.”

“‘Timing is everything in life,’ Elliott said. ‘It seems like whatever could go wrong, did. The projects were not selling when we needed them to (because of the real estate industry slump), and when we did go to reorganize, the credit crunch happened a week later.’”

“Numerous homebuyers who signed contracts for houses and paid deposits of $40,000 to $50,000 haven’t known for much of the year whether their homes would eventually be built, whether their deposits were lost or even whether they could shop for houses elsewhere.”

“Like many others who made deposits on Seapine Estates and Forest Walk houses that weren’t built, Dr. Lance Smith is seeking reimbursement as one of several dozen creditors in the bankruptcy case. He said he knows he won’t get back his full deposit, but he hopes he gets something.”

“‘For some people, unfortunately that was their life savings,’ he said.”

“Georgeanna Newmones of Executive Realtors in Egg Harbor Township said the trend to rent rather than sell is highest among those who bought homes or condominiums pre-construction and are committed to the deal.”

“Newmones said he recently worked with a couple from Atlantic City who had to move to California but didn’t have enough equity to sell their home. The couple ‘had to put a tenant’ in the home, Newmones said, and they ended up renting it to a family last weekend, with the hope that they will be able to build the equity to sell it later.”

The Gazette from Maryland. “First Mariner Bancorp, the Baltimore parent of First Mariner Bank that was founded in 1995, showed a net loss of $3.9 million for its 2007 second quarter.”

“Total assets also declined to $1.25 billion from $1.4 billion a year ago. A key reason for the decline was a $45 million decrease in outstanding commercial loans and a $23 million drop in residential construction loans, executives said.”

“First Mariner has stopped issuing ‘Alt-A’ mortgages — loans falling between prime and high-risk subprime quality — through its wholesale lending division, said CEO Edwin F. Hale Sr.”

“Home foreclosures continued to increase in September across Maryland from a year ago, according to RealtyTrac. Last month, the state had about 2,800 foreclosure filings, a rise of 393 percent from September 2006.”

“‘The residential mortgage loan market is not what it was two years ago, but qualified borrowers need not worry,’ said Atwood Collins III, president of M&T’s mid-Atlantic division in Baltimore.”

The Baltimore Sun from Maryland. “Staging is garnering attention in today’s sluggish real estate market. With properties sitting longer, asking prices being slashed, and lenders scrutinizing loan applications more closely - anecdotal evidence suggests Realtors, sellers and investors alike are increasingly turning to staging, for that competitive edge.”

“During the housing boom a few years back, ‘people in the industry had more money, and they could afford to pay professional stagers,’ says E.J. Villarreal, an agent in Baltimore. ‘Now, many Realtors, like myself, are pinching pennies and staging the homes themselves. Baltimore has a lot of inventory now, and [to sell] you have to be a cut above the rest.’”

“‘In this market, it’s become a necessity,’ says Abe Soumah, an investor who buys properties. ‘It has slowed down across the board. At one time in Baltimore, you would see Dumpsters and scaffolding on every street. Now crews aren’t as busy.’”

“‘I’m hearing that investors and Realtors are getting nervous,’ says Lisa Kane, president of Just Stage It in Sparks, of the shifting market. ‘Many investors are overextended with mortgage payments, and there are million-dollar houses that are sitting empty.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2007-10-22 06:42:41

FYI, I don’t know what is wrong with the Warren report link at the Boston Globe. Also, in the Long Island report, I couldn’t find the full name of Kamer, but I believe this person is an economist.

Comment by Majisto
2007-10-22 07:00:05

Hey Ben, the name is Pearl Kamer, and she was a REIC shill up until the bitter end…

Comment by Ben Jones
2007-10-22 07:01:37

OK, I remember now.

 
Comment by WT Economist
2007-10-22 07:34:02

Actually, she is a regional economist with the regional planning agency, or was back when I was in that business myself.

Comment by Majisto
2007-10-22 09:02:53

Reads like a shill to me…

“Pearl Kamer, chief economist for the Long Island Association, also said the figures show better news than expected, noting that the Long Island housing market price declines were modest and were confined to Nassau, far from big declines some housing market watchers had predicted.

“There was a lot of concern that there might be a sharp break in the market and that we might see a substantial and abrupt decline in New York home prices, and we haven’t seen it,” Kamer said.”
http://tinyurl.com/2m2hfn

“The latest data was more confirmation that the long run of double-digit price increases on Long Island had ended. But even with Nassau’s declines, no one should sound an alarm about the Island’s housing market, said Pearl Kamer, chief economist for the Long Island Association.

“These figures suggest that the Long Island housing market is far from imploding and that any future declines will be gradual,” she said.

The local market continues to benefit from the demand for housing among newly formed households and recent immigrants, Kamer said. “That will put a floor under home prices and prevent significant declines,” she said.”
http://tinyurl.com/35amct

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Comment by spike66
2007-10-22 07:03:01

“The conventional wisdom that Long Island’s wealth would deflect the foreclosure collapse is clearly wrong. In fact, Suffolk County topped the national foreclosure average in the first half of 2007″

This is for Danni…and NYCB, Long Island is toast.

Comment by Dave
2007-10-22 07:14:05

Here’s a little LI mls inventory graph I whipped up.

Nothing to see here…

http://tinyurl.com/3xk4xr

 
Comment by exeter
2007-10-22 07:29:27

I think LI tanking is very significant for the national market. I count more equity bandits leaving LI for the south than I can count grains of sand.

Comment by Michael Fink
2007-10-22 08:21:59

People refer to Palm Beach couty as “Long Island South”.

So, yes, the equity bandits no longer coming to this market (as well as other areas) would have a significant negative effect on prices here as well. It has long been thought that they only thing that can prop up prices in these areas is “external” money from places like NYC/LI/NJ, etc.. However, as that money flow slows, both areas are going to take a pounding.

The whole thing is a ponzi scheme. The only way for someone to move from LI to FL is if someone buys their home in LI. The only way to afford a home there is to sell another home in that area.. It’s chicken/egg problem… You need a buyer at your crazy price.. Only other SELLERS can afford to pay your crazy price. Once the 1st time buyers leave the system the whole thing starts to collapse…

As we are now seeing.

Comment by jetson_boy
2007-10-22 08:54:39

I’d say that they’re more likely to be heading to NC, SC, TN, GA, and perhaps even KY. That said, even in these states, the flow of northerners has slowed significantly. Sales are way down in this region as well. That isn’t necessarily a bad thing since by over-inflating a region’s real estate with nothing more than out of state equity doesn’t bode well in the long term, especially when fully half of those equity locusts who were moving in had basically no plans on pursuing jobs since a great deal of them were retirees.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2007-10-22 09:05:16

equity bandits leaving LI for the south

Believe it or not we’re starting to see quite a few of them here in my little mecca outside Syracuse. In fact, I always thought we had more than a normal proportion of Boston and LI transplants. Some stay, some move on but there does seem to be some fascination w/downstaters toward this town. Some even have family members follow after being up here a while.

Comment by WT Economist
2007-10-22 09:35:32

It’s the college connection, the only thing that keeps Upstate and Downstate together. Other than water flowing south and money flowing north.

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Comment by exeter
2007-10-22 09:42:00

Carrie… I too see many retards streaming into VT and points east of the hudson and north of Albany but they don’t seem to stay long. 5 years at the max. I believe far more head to points south of NYC/CT/NJ. Maybe for more temperate climates? I don’t know.

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Comment by veloblues
2007-10-22 07:05:53

Can someone explain “staging” to me? I’m only halfway through my pot of coffee and I have a vague notion what it is, but nothing tacit.

Thanks.

VB

Comment by warlock
2007-10-22 07:52:36

Take one empty condo, buy a bunch of cheap, but expensive looking furniture, and lot’s of cushions. Arrange in a manner you think people will find attractive.

If you look at properties in the Beverly Hills/Northwest LA area you’ll see this quite often - it’s very obvious when it’s done that nobody is actually sitting on those couches, and immaculate be-pillowed beds. I’ve yet to see one of these that looked even remotely livable.

Judging from some of the listings i’ve seen on Craig’s List, there’s also a version of this where you buy very expensive furniture, and then desperately try to offload it later at dramatic write downs. Sic transit gloria mundi.

Comment by pressboardbox
2007-10-22 08:17:32

So, you are telling me that staging is a trick to sell a POS overpriced house to an unsuspecting dreamer FB wannabe? Who would resort to such dirty tactics?????

Comment by RoundSparrow
2007-10-22 10:44:04

So, you are telling me that staging is a trick to sell a POS overpriced house to an unsuspecting dreamer FB wannabe? Who would resort to such dirty tactics?????

There are professionals teams you can hire, TV shows about it. They cite how much it will increase your sale prices.

It is the dumb buyers, just like everything else in USA. Get a clue folks, the iPod is really not that much better than every other MP3 player - you are just following the herd. Same goes with house buyers.

“Dream house” is a phrase the USA loves.

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Comment by pressboardbox
2007-10-22 11:30:32

Don’t say that about the Ipod!!!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Anon E. Moose
2007-10-22 07:58:50

“Staging” is making your home more attractive to a potential buyer as opposed to the useul and realistic state of being lived in. It is aslo a way to find employment for people who have a BA in Drama but couldn’t make a living in theater/TV/movies. They use that 3 credit course in ’set design’ to make a house for sale look like the living room in Leave It to Beaver.

In reality, it’s just “clean up, stupid”. Fix the things you’ve come to ignore because you were too lazy to fix them before. Paint your front door. Pull the weeds. Inside, get rid of furniture to open up space. Take your pictures off the walls/refrigerator to let the buyer imagine theirs there. Bake cookies and bread.

It’s not rocket science by any means. Now that Reat-whores are much less busy, they figure they can pocket teh extra $500 by doing the “staging” themselves.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2007-10-22 08:49:03

I saw a staging program on TV where a realtor was suggesting that the buyer get new furniture because their old furniture was outdated . Why spend money on buying stuff? Just take the outdated furniture out of the joint ,paint the house ,fix things that need to be repaired and save the money to lower the price for the new buyer or pay the closing costs .

Realtors continue to treat buyers like they are stupid children that need to be conned into buying houses . Does anybody really think that a buyer will pay thousands of dollars more for a house just because it has a new 200 dollar lighting fixture ?It’s just really a insult to treat buyers like they would buy a POS house just because the furniture looked good . The buyer isn’t buying the furniture . Maybe people changed since I was in the business ,but in a down market price is everything I think .

Comment by pressboardbox
2007-10-22 08:53:36

Why waste money on staging when it has been scientifically proven that St Joseph statues beat staging over two to one! Four out of five realtors recommend it!

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Comment by Ghostwriter
2007-10-22 10:54:00

To me staging is just cleaning up the place and fixing glaring problems. Take two identical houses, one empty and clean and the other dirty and piled with clutter. If they’re priced the same, guess which one’s going to sell. You don’t need furniture, pictures or anything else, but you also don’t need filth and clutter piled so high there’s only pathways to get through.

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Comment by Skip
2007-10-22 11:42:52

Realtors continue to treat buyers like they are stupid children that need to be conned into buying houses .

Just from the advertising on TV, I have to say, the past couple of years it does seem like most house buyers were stupid and very spoiled children.

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Comment by shadow7
2007-10-22 08:40:44

In this market staging is a waste, staging is to try and make the home more model like with pieces of furniture or art on the walls this is no good because nobody is coming to look at houses. The only draw to a home now is price and it better be low?

Comment by pressboardbox
2007-10-22 08:50:17

Staging really works. I hung a new air-freshener from the rearview mirror of my crappy old cat-piss smelling honda and it sold immediately.

Comment by Aqius
2007-10-22 09:06:53

thank GOD pressbox sold that car fast.

plan B was to bake cookies on the engine manifold, which would attract his tire kicker neighbor off his couch at half-time!

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Comment by az_lender
2007-10-22 10:46:57

When I sold a small house in 2006, the agent told me that the buyer’s face fell when, after closing, the buyer saw the house actually empty. The basic POS nature of the house was much more evident when my nice antiques had departed. Since I held that house less than two years, and paid capital gain tax on the (small) profit, I claimed that the expense of moving my furniture into that house was a marketing expense (”staging”). The claim was mainly true, even though I would’ve put my furniture in there with or without the need to “stage.”

Comment by speedingpullet
2007-10-22 12:05:03

Personally, I like clean empty houses to look at - why would I want someone elses furniture in there (however tasteful and trendy), when I need the room to measure up for my own furniture.

Staging is just ‘mental interference’, ditch the @rap and let me look at the bones of the building in peace.

 
 
 
Comment by exeter
2007-10-22 07:22:19

‘Around the year 2000, something happened,’ says Hallowell consultant Frank O’Hara.”

Yes. Cheap dollars temporarily reversed the long, slow economic decline in New England. To think that it is a permanent reversal would be utterly foolish. But many convinced themselves that the boom was here to stay and now they just cannot accept that the declining trend has resumed.

Prepare for our Maine housing bull to tell us “prices are still going up in Portland”.

 
Comment by reuven
2007-10-22 07:25:12

“‘We can’t save a lot of these foreclosures - people made very bad decisions and couldn’t afford any type of mortgage,’ said Sen. Susan C. Tucker.”

Finally! A politician who actually blames the people most responsible for the crisis: The Borrowers.

Face it, business are always going to try to sell you things you don’t need, or are contrary to your best interest. That’s the nature of selling. But as long as all the terms are disclosed up-front, you must take some responsibility.

I hope Senator Tucker follows her line of reasoning to its logical conclusion, and hold accountable those borrowers who lied on their applications–either about income or residency–to get more credit (esp. Government backed credit) than they should have had.

 
Comment by Fuzzy Bear
2007-10-22 07:30:30

“‘I’m hearing that investors and Realtors are getting nervous,’ says Lisa Kane, president of Just Stage It in Sparks, of the shifting market. ‘Many investors are overextended with mortgage payments, and there are million-dollar houses that are sitting empty.’”

It is now time for them to pay the piper for their greed. It was people like this who drove the prices up beyond the reach of the consumer and now they will pay the price for greed!

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2007-10-22 09:58:11

Investors and Realtors getting nervous? In many cases they’re one and the same.

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2007-10-22 07:33:27

The Boston Globe just figured this out?

“‘People realized that, for the same monthly payment, they could pull $50,000 out of their home, and they went crazy,’ he said. ‘They’d go out and buy a new car, take a trip to Disney World, and get that new kitchen.’”

Comment by diogenes (Tampa)
2007-10-22 10:37:57

Add to that this gem:
“‘If home prices were still rising, borrowers would have better opportunities to refinance. It’s not a perfect storm, but there can be these cascades of events,’ said Keith Gumbinger, VP of HSH Financial Associates.”

The new American economy (paradigm) SERIAL REFINANCING.
All the people who took out these loans never expected to pay them under the terms they signed……….just change the terms later of sell it to some sucker.

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2007-10-22 07:35:26

“‘Subprime refers to the loan, not the borrower,’ said Joseph Mason, a professor of finance at Drexel University. ‘It’s a loan that allows the borrower to borrow more than they would otherwise be eligible for, by lending you an amount that’s way above your means.’”

Is that so? I thought unaffordable loans to people with (previously) good credit were Alt-A, whereas sub-prime was loans to people who had had payment problems in the past.

Comment by Anon E. Moose
2007-10-22 07:49:42

Distinction without a difference.

Comment by polly
2007-10-22 08:02:39

Actually there is a big difference in perception. While the PTB keep harping that the only problems are with loans to people with bad credit, they can pretend that only those loans will go bad. Once they have to admit that bad loans were made to people with previously excellent credit, things are going to get ugly. As near as I can tell, the reason the loans to sub-prime borrowers are going bad so quickly is because their resets happened sooner. Better credit risks seem to have gotten their teaser rates locked in for more time. That gives them a bit more time to increase their income to match the new payments, but it isn’t going to help enough.

Bring it on.

Comment by turnoutthelights
2007-10-22 08:21:06

Hmmm…loans don’t kill credit scores, people kill credit scores. Sounds familiar.

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Comment by Olympiagal
2007-10-22 09:11:51

Good post, polly.

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Comment by PeonInChief
2007-10-22 11:02:39

The major difference between subprime and Alt-A is that the subprimes are going down this year and the Alt-As pick up the slack next year. It’s the difference between two and three years before the ARM re-sets. Subprime loans are two year; Alt-As are three, five or ten years. And many people with soon to be formerly excellent credit took out these loans, either because they were buying in high-cost areas or because they were committing serial refinancing.

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Comment by Devildog
2007-10-22 08:05:44

Note to self: Do not enroll at Drexel University for financial degree.

If a professor doesn’t even understand what a sub-prime mortgage is we may be worse off than I thought. On the other hand, if this guy knew much about the real world he probably wouldn’t be a professor.

 
Comment by RainingSeattle
2007-10-22 08:10:11

There are really two types of loans, prime and not prime. The reason you aren’t given a prime loan might be because of credit, or no-docs, or loan-to-value or whatever, but all those are by definition ’sub-prime’, being below prime.

Some people would like you to think there is some tiny percentage of people with horrible credit given loans on tiny incomes and that’s all the subprime market is, but that’s just the tip of the subprime iceburg, so to speak.

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2007-10-22 18:31:57

Hmmm… I went to Drexel. Great school, especially for engineering, but if you dig around in their past, they were not the smartest with money at one point. I hope that they do get a better understanding of reality. If you can’t afford to pay back the loan, nobody cares if you’re Alt-A, subprime, prime, or Optimus Prime - you’re going down in flames.

Optimus Sub-prime… must be an evil clone or something…

 
Comment by Ann
2007-10-23 14:11:28

Actually people with excellent or very good credit used the subprimes to buy that 2nd home - the ones that are going to foreclosure in my area with outstanding balance of $350000, $575000 and up (and a 8%+ mortgage.)

 
 
Comment by ylekiot1
2007-10-22 07:51:17

“‘A lot of distressed properties are clogging up the system,” Warren said. ‘When you have a lot of bargain prices out there, it’s hard for people to sell at the full, fair-market value.’”

Hey Warren, the prices ARE market value, ECON 101, supply and demand

Comment by Adam
2007-10-22 07:54:00

“‘A lot of distressed properties are clogging up the system,” Warren said. ‘When you have a lot of bargain prices out there, it’s hard for people to sell at the full, fair-market value.’”

okay, that is the funniest thing I have read all day.

Comment by Ben Jones
2007-10-22 07:57:22

It is too bad Warren is joining in the excuse parade; it’s not really like him.

Comment by Tom
2007-10-22 08:00:57

I don’t think it’s “Warren Buffet” but another Warren.

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Comment by Aqius
2007-10-22 09:55:32

cant miss ‘ol warren in the excuse parade; he’s pulling the bandwagon that all the real estate people jumped on.

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Comment by Olympiagal
2007-10-22 09:17:43

And we’re not even to lunchtime yet! Think how much more funniness will appear on this blog this afternoon. If laughter is the best medicine, I am going to live to be a billion, thanks to this blog.

 
 
 
Comment by Jas Jain
2007-10-22 07:59:29


“Georgeanna Newmones of Executive Realtors in Egg Harbor Township said the trend to rent rather than sell is highest among those who bought homes or condominiums pre-construction and are committed to the deal.”

Keep your losses running! Great way to Loserville.

Jas

Comment by Graspier
2007-10-22 10:16:42

If they sell that means they have to take the financial hit all at once and I bet a lot of them don’t have the money to do this, so they rent the place out for less then their mortgage and this just adds another monthly cost to all their other monthly costs. There are a huge number of people in this country who live month by month even if they have a large income, they spend it all, and if they get some more income they simply add another monthly debt to use up the new income. So taking a big upfront hit by selling below their cost would drive them under financially.

 
 
Comment by Tom
2007-10-22 07:59:37

The game of economic chicken vs mutually assured distruction.

http://tinyurl.com/37m7uc

Right now we are looking at a systemic banking crisis. The FED had to cut rates in a hurry, the discount window was open for business, Hank Paulson is running around on TV, in interviews, at any conference anywhere pushing the SIV Superfund. All these things are very rare and disquieting. The banks’ second front in their “War on Insolvency” is a game of chicken played against the FED, the US government, and the US taxpayer.

The game of Chicken models two drivers, both headed for a single lane bridge from opposite directions. The first to swerve away yields the bridge to the other. If neither player swerves, the result is a costly deadlock in the middle of the bridge, or a potentially fatal head-on collision.

It is presumed that the best thing for each driver is to stay straight while the other swerves (since the other is the “chicken” while a crash is avoided). Additionally, a crash is presumed to be the worst outcome for both players. This yields a situation where each player, in attempting to secure his best outcome, risks the worse.

 
Comment by Mike
2007-10-22 08:09:40

Professor Joseph Mason: “Sub prime refers to the loan, not the borrower….” Gee, Professor. We didn’t know that. Still, I suppose that’s why you’re a professor and why you get the big bucks and are called an “expert”. Thank goodness we have people like you and Greenspan and Bernanke and Paulson to explain things to us. Do you think the sub prime contagion could spread?

Comment by aladinsane
2007-10-22 08:37:07

“axpert”

 
 
Comment by Hondje
2007-10-22 08:19:42

A little OT, but here’s one more MSM outlet that’s finally waking up to the scary housing reality and its impact on the greater economy:
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/streets-week-woe-rattle-editors/story.aspx?guid=%7BD0516B2E%2DAE93%2D4FC6%2D857A%2DD5C95CAFB71E%7D

Now it looks to me as though the Dow will test its 200-day moving average, which is around 13137.”
He commented on Friday’s action: “A really ugly close … You rarely see this all 30 Dow stocks closed down. What brought this on? My guess the subprime situation is going to turn out much worse than first feared … Look for the Fed to drop rates again. This will be bullish for gold.”
For good measure, Russell offered this interpretation of oil’s Point and Figure chart: “What we see here is very simple, a dramatic upside breakout with a target of 106.”

Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2007-10-22 08:43:58

They keep telling us that last Fri.’s drop, being the 20th anniversary of the ‘89 crash, wasn’t even close to the drop in ‘89. What they don’t realize, it seems, is that death is death, whether it is by 1000 wounds (like what’s happening now) or whether is is by one large wound (like back in ‘89).

Comment by pressboardbox
2007-10-22 09:42:42

there was a crash in ‘89?

 
 
 
Comment by shadow7
2007-10-22 08:34:51

This is more then ugly now, the builders face a very angry set of real homeowners and are afraid to reduce prices to rock bottom for fear of a tremendous backlash so they reduce the homes 5 or 10% not enough to spur buyers.
The flippers are just plain up the creek, their hope of getting rich on flipping has turned into a all time nightmare. This is more then a sinking ship, the ship has already sunk and it is to deep to rescue, this is one very major problem that we all may remember for years and years “the housing crash of 07′ 08′?”

Comment by joeyinCalif
2007-10-22 09:28:22

I don’t see any practical difference between one’s neighbors lowering their selling price in a soft market and a builder doing likewise. In either case, the remaining homeowners are going to be upset.

As to fearing a tremendous backlash, what recourse is there?

 
Comment by Ghostwriter
2007-10-22 11:05:24

Speaking of flipping. I was at Barnes & Noble today and I walked past a book “Flipping for Dummies”. My first thought was that they could have saved a lot of paper if there was only one single page inside that read, “You are a dummy for considering flipping, or buying this book”.

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2007-10-22 08:55:00

No trabajo, no Dream Americano

“Augusta has tended to trail other communities in Kennebec County, in population, income and new housing. ‘Around the year 2000, something happened,’ says Hallowell consultant Frank O’Hara. ‘Augusta joined the national housing boom. Augusta’s population turned up for the first time in 20 years. What prompted the change? ‘It wasn’t an increase in jobs,’ said O’Hara, ‘The city lost about 750 jobs between 2001 and 2005. It wasn’t an increase in incomes.’”

Comment by Graspier
2007-10-22 10:48:33

“It wasn’t an increase in jobs,” said O’Hara, vice president of Planning Decisions Research & Planning. “The city lost about 750 jobs between 2001 and 2005. It wasn’t an increase in incomes. The median income in the housing market went from about $41,000 to $43,000, only a modest growth.” O’Hara concluded that “Augusta has been doing things right” with high-profile investments, such as a new high school, extensive new commercial properties, a new cancer center, a new YMCA and government offices, all of which boost property values and the municipal taxes that come with them.”

So the only new business is these “new commercial properties” and I bet a lot of them are rented out to government since they had added no new jobs, but instead have lost jobs, but because they have increased government spending that is suppose to boost property values and get more taxes. So the homeowners pay more in taxes even though their income has not gone up.

Maybe that new YMCA is suppose to justify everything?

Comment by BanteringBear
2007-10-22 12:07:54

I find it absolutely despicable what these developers and bankers are doing to the entire country. They won’t stop until they have destroyed virtually every little town across this vast land. The hideous waste of natural resources causes me great distress. They’ll move in and clear beautiful land, and demolish old structures, salvaging nothing, and replace it with some POS eyesore with a price tag that less than 10% of the population can afford. At times, I find myself seething with anger as I read these stories. The deep pockets and rotten politicians are f@%#in’ this country up BIGTIME.

 
 
 
Comment by Brian in Chicago
2007-10-22 08:56:43

A while ago on this blog, there was some discussion of an apartment tower that went condo here in Chicago. What was notable about it was that the sales “event” involved giving everyone a palm pilot to place their bids. I tried searching for it but can’t find the thread…

Anyway…

A local real estate website is reporting that their current incentive package includes paid property taxes and assessments for 1 year and a parking space for $5000. It’s somewhat interesting, because they are also offering to buy back the parking space at any time for $35,000.

I guess the whole palm pilot auction thing didn’t work as well as first reported.

 
 
Comment by ridingthewave
2007-10-22 09:00:13

“‘Their adjustable rate mortgage, which jumped by $380 in July, will jump again early next year to $3,600. ‘We should be living in Beverly Hills for that,’ Morreale joked.”

what a retard! he’s the one who signed the contract for that payment. so why dident he move to Beverly Hills in the first place!

Comment by Leighsong
2007-10-22 09:32:45

Rid, the best part…semi-attached home…er, isn’t that a townhouse?

Smiles,
Leigh

 
Comment by crisrose
2007-10-22 10:08:38

He didn’t move to BH because he had a plan - quit good paying job and cash out refi to finance the start-up of his sure winner restaurant. Unfortunately, like everything else in this loser’s life, the restaurant failed.

 
 
Comment by Aqius
2007-10-22 09:16:30

nice to see some finacial industry people speaking the truth in harry truman style plain talk, instead of the usual real estate agents cheerleader chants of;

” its a GREAT time to buy because (insert some flimsy reason) _____ … ”

appreciate the variety of sources. well done, ben!

 
Comment by bizarroworld
2007-10-22 09:35:19

Could this be why the market is staging a rally? Things must be worse than they are letting on.

Kroszner: Federal Reserve Will Act As Needed to Protect US Economy From Market Turmoil
http://tinyurl.com/26d65h

“The Federal Reserve will continue to monitor developments in financial markets and act as needed to support the effective functioning of these markets and to foster sustainable economic growth and price stability,” Kroszner said in a speech here to the Institute of International Bankers.

 
Comment by az_lender
2007-10-22 10:48:15

Why Augusta’s population has been increasing in recent years: refugees from southern New England’s congestion and summer heat.

 
Comment by takingbets
2007-10-22 14:15:03

“‘I’m hearing that investors and Realtors are getting nervous,’ says Lisa Kane, president of Just Stage It in Sparks, of the shifting market. ‘Many investors are overextended with mortgage payments, and there are “million-dollar houses” that are sitting empty.’”

well, at least we know those people from malibu have somewhere to go.

 
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