November 3, 2007

Bringing The Market Into Reality

The Hook reports from Virginia. “Unloading inventory in a strong buyer’s market has many of builders resorting to techniques not seen in the last half dozen years: slashing prices, offering incentives, even converting for-sale to for-lease. ‘Our revenues are down 50 percent from last year,’ says Mike Gaffney, president of Gaffney Homes. ‘Every builder in the market, maybe every builder in the country, has cut staff and lowered prices.’”

“Gaffney says the need to sell the houses quickly has led to deep discounts. In Huntley, Gaffney has lowered prices on houses by $80,000, from $549,000 to $469,000. Still, even such discounts haven’t led to rapid sales, and he believes that’s because people have tuned in to national news predicting ongoing doom and gloom in the housing market.”

“‘It’s almost like a paralysis with people that they don’t want to buy,’ he says.”

From NBC 4 in Virginia. “No one showed up to bid or buy in Prince William County Friday, but the auctioneer will stay busy due to the growing number of home foreclosures in the county that are causing a ripple effect in the county’s revenue stream.”

“There have been nearly 1,000 foreclosures since August, and the ‘for sale’ signs are springing up like weeds.”

“Despite the downturn in the housing market, new houses are still being built and sold, but not at the rate they were at the height of the housing boom.”

“‘I imagine that there are some builders and developers who had started their projects and then, of course, the market changed and they had these projects under way and they’re making their own business decision,’ said Chris Martino, the county’s director of finance.”

“The director of finance said there is a silver lining, however. ‘When the market does correct and turn, we’ll have a lot of product,’ he said.”

From WJLA in Virginia. “The increasing number of foreclosures and the jittery housing market have many developers rolling out incentives to attract buyers. At the Metropole condominiums in Logan Circle, developers called in an interior design firm to provide buyers with pointers and even just the right furnishings for lush living.”

“The condo market is experiencing a glut, as units begun during the real estate boom come on-line after the housing market’s dip. That reduced demand and increased supply translates into lower prices for those willing to take a risk.”

“‘Developers are paying condo fees, buying down the mortgage,’ said realtor Jeff Lockard. ‘We’re seeing developers doing things we’ve never seen before-it’s pretty terrific.’”

The Daily Press from Viginia. “It continues to be a difficult time to sell a house and a great time to buy one in Hampton Roads and Williamsburg.”

“An oversupply led to a 22 percent sales decline, according to data from the Virginia Association of Realtors. Williamsburg sellers suffered through a median price drop of 15 percent to $269,450, and the number of homes sold declined by 39 percent.”

“The slowing market comes after years of unprecedented price increases. The median price in September 1999 in Hampton Roads was $107,400. Just eight years later, the median value has more than doubled to $235,000. The state median has increased 83 percent to $229,000 over the same period.”

“The region has also been dealing with growing rates of mortgage delinquencies and foreclosures. Subprime loans made up about 13.6 percent of the region’s outstanding loans as of June, according to First American LoanPerformance.”

Money Magazine on Maryland. “With a six-figure household income and good prospects, Heather and Todd Wade are off to a decent start in realizing their financial goals. But a few years ago, the young couple tried to speed things up by dabbling in real estate.”

“‘I started messing around because everyone seemed to be doing it,’ says Todd.”

“After flipping an investment property near their Baltimore home in early 2006 for a tidy profit of $40,000, Todd and Heather got the bug. In April 2006 the Wades bought a run-down house in a questionable Baltimore neighborhood for $62,000.”

“So far the project has produced a lot of pain but no profits. ‘It just took us a little longer to get this house in order, and we missed the window,’ says Todd.”

“Now the Wades wonder if their error in timing the real estate market may have set their finances back just as they’re hoping to expand their family.”

The News Post from Maryland. “House prices are returning to what one local Realtor calls ‘normal’ pricing. Terry Fox, head of the Frederick County Association of Realtors, said dropping prices were ‘an adjustment toward a normal market after the price surge in the past years.’”

“Fox said the price drop is bringing the market into reality, creating a more healthy atmosphere. With more than 2,400 homes on the market in Frederick County, it is still a buyer’s market. According to the Maryland Association of Realtors, the average home price in Frederick County in August was $359,949, down 5.2 percent from August 2006.”

“In September, the average price in the county was $340,478, down 7.7 percent from September 2006. ‘Prices are not dropping below what the homes are worth,’ Fox said.”

The York Dispatch from Pennsylvania. “Home sales dropped by double-digit numbers in nine out of the 16 school districts in York County for the first nine months of the year, compared to the same period a year ago.”

“Steve Snell, the Realtors association’s executive officer, said the cooling in the housing market is ‘perhaps a little bit more extensive than we really had anticipated. My concern is the public will misinterpret the numbers,’ he said. ‘It may not be the greatest time to be a seller, but it’s a perfect scenario for the home buyer.’”

“Blue Bell, Pa.-based Judd Builders is currently offering up to $30,000 in savings on closing costs, condo fees and upgrades to a townhouse through the end of November.”

“Michael Wheeler, a developer and) Realtor, said he thinks York’s market is more normal than the national trend. Wheeler said people with a moderately good credit rating to a very good credit rating should be able to secure mortgages with low interest.”

“‘For people with horrendous credit though, there will be problems,’ Wheeler said. ‘And maybe there should be.’”

Capital News 9 from New York. “‘How could I allow myself to get into a situation like this,’ Louise Owens asked herself. After the Rochester woman lost her husband in an accident last year she took the advice of a mortgage broker and refinanced her home.”

“At closing she discovered she had agreed to two loans, not one. ‘What’s worse, the principal balance on loan number one had increased by more than eleven thousand over the first year,’ Owens said.”

From Newsday in New York. “The rate of foreclosure filings in Nassau and Suffolk counties rose by double digits in the third quarter, according to a report issued yesterday.”

“Nassau saw 1,241 foreclosure filings from July to September, an increase of 27.4 percent from the previous three months, according to RealtyTrac. Suffolk, meanwhile, had 1,080 foreclosure notices, up 14.4 percent from the prior quarter.”

“Todd Yovino’s company sells bank-owned properties and his inventory is growing, especially in Suffolk. While there were always people in financial trouble, in the past they could sell their homes or refinance their mortgages to alleviate their burden, he said. That’s no longer as easy to do.”

“‘Today, there are fewer alternatives and fewer alternatives translate into increased foreclosures,’ Yovino said.”

The New York Daily News. “The threat of foreclosure is worsening in the city — especially in Queens. In fact, in all the boroughs except Staten Island, more homeowners are struggling.”

“There were 2,790 foreclosure filings against homeowners in Queens in the third quarter, up 69% from summer 2006, according to RealtyTrac. Across the city, there were 7,314 foreclosure filings during the third quarter, up 37%.”

“The number of third-quarter foreclosure filings in the Bronx, 1,011, was 43% higher than a year earlier. Foreclosure filings in Brooklyn totaled 2,498, up 31%. Manhattan cases rose by 14% to 402.”

The New York Times. “Kenny Timmons has spent three long weekends in New York City since 2003, catching up with friends he knew in Ireland, visiting ground zero, restocking his wardrobe at Armani and Niketown and chatting about real estate with a bartender in an Irish pub in Midtown Manhattan.”

“That was enough of a glimpse of New York for Mr. Timmons, a 32-year-old carpenter from County Meath, Ireland. Last summer, he put down 10 percent on a $760,000 studio under construction at 75 Wall Street.”

“Mr. Timmons has never seen the apartment and does not plan to live there. Instead, he hopes to rent it out for $3,000 a month when it’s finished next year and eventually to sell it at a profit.”

“He predicts that a Wall Street address will always be in demand. ‘If you can’t rent on Wall Street, then where can you rent?’ Mr. Timmons said.”

“The increase in demand comes as a new tide of high-rise condominiums is hitting Manhattan. Buyers from other countries who don’t have credit histories in the United States or who do not intend to use their apartments as primary residences have historically had trouble passing muster with co-op boards.”

“But condos pose no problem for foreign buyers, and they often find that buying in Manhattan is less expensive than buying a comparable house or apartment in cities like London.”

“And while in the past an influx of foreign buyers could often be traced to boom times in a particular country, brokers say that the interest in Manhattan real estate is now worldwide, with buyers from Australia, Korea, Russia, Israel, Italy and Colombia.”

“‘In the late ’80s, we totally depended on the Japanese market,’ said Louise Sunshine, development director for the Alexico Group. ‘It’s a diversity of a different kind. There’s a huge amount of new wealth everywhere.’”




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Comment by WT Economist
2007-11-03 06:51:04

(“‘In the late ’80s, we totally depended on the Japanese market,’ said Louise Sunshine, development director for the Alexico Group. ‘It’s a diversity of a different kind. There’s a huge amount of new wealth everywhere.’” )

Yep, just like in the late-1980s, the foreign buyers will keep prices high. The early 1990s is likely to come next.

Comment by nhz
2007-11-03 14:49:57

“There’s a huge amount of new wealth everywhere”

would she have any idea where all this new wealth is coming from? I think the Irish carpenter is a prime example, al this wealth is coming from the same source: housingbubble equity gains. I predict the foreign buyers will disappear as soon as the EU / Asian property bubbles burst; can’t wait for it …

 
Comment by finnman69
2007-11-03 19:54:19

The 80’s Japaenes investment boom in NYC was followed by a huge real estate recession in NYC with painful declines in prices.

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2007-11-03 06:55:27

“No one showed up to bid or buy in Prince William County Friday, but the auctioneer will stay busy due to the growing number of home foreclosures in the county that are causing a ripple effect in the county’s revenue stream.”

Friday just wasn’t a very good day for anything associated with the name “Prince”.

Comment by Jas Jain
2007-11-03 08:51:23


The Saudi prince will take a huge beating in his Scam holdings which has C as it largest holding. He ain’t seen nothin yet.

Jas

Comment by nhz
2007-11-03 14:51:04

but with current surging oil prices I don’t think he will worry about that …

 
 
 
Comment by nycjoe
2007-11-03 06:58:30

The Irish guy figures somebody won’t mind paying 3K+ to rent a studio on Wall St., which cost 750K??? And of course he’ll make a fat profit reselling this housing for one in a bleak neighborhood … when???

Greater fools rushing in because Manhattan is different. It is … more fools maybe. But maybe not an endless supply.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2007-11-03 07:23:53

“Mr. Timmons has never seen the apartment and does not plan to live there. Instead, he hopes to rent it out for $3,000 a month when it’s finished next year and eventually to sell it at a profit.”

Keep ‘em coming jacka$$. Let me see, what other developments are going up in this area?

There are multiple Broad Street developments. There are several on Wall Street. Ummmmm, okay here’s a start.

- Be@william (that DHL package station on the ground floor really adds to the splendor)

- 45 John Street (received a brochure in the mail yesterday. Studios starting at only $745,000 and 1 bedroom (980 sq. ft.) starting at only $1,235,000. Did I mention that John Street is a toilet?)

- 59 John Street (seems to be dead as a doornail)

- DistrictNY (There is a nice exterior but the neighborhood is still shoddy for $1,100 per square foot)

- The William Beaver House (42 stories of dreams and fantasies)

- Battery Park City

The only wildcard in this area is that big hole in the ground at World Trade. But we are obviously at least 5 years from that becoming anything that houses new jobs. There are just so many condos coming online down here that it is amazing. This guy did absolutely no research. I could have taken him on a 4-hour drinking tour. There is no way he would have bought. Of course he thinks his Euro is so strong that he can’t lose. Unfortunately that $3,000 in rent will only be worth 2,000 Euros.

Keep the idiots coming. The more the merrier.

Comment by spike66
2007-11-03 08:38:55

I read this NYTimes piece this am. Columbians, Koreans and smart guys like this Irishman Timmons. Let’s see, he’s a carpenter, and the piece says he owns 11 spec houses in Ireland, a market already beginning to unravel. So he buys a studio on Wall Street…which is not remotely a residential neighborhood. It’s bleak, as nycjoe says, it has no supermarkets, stores, and is deserted on weekends. Rent it, yeah maybe, if he lists it with a corporate agency for short term business travelers in lieu of a hotel, but what a grim place to be stuck. And of course, the agency will grab a good chunk of fees.
All this for 750K. Well I’m just dumbfounded at his investment savvy. And all the rest of the foreign buyers, getting in at the top of the market while the locals are stepping back from the cliff–sure,the devalued dollar will cushion any mistakes you make.
Not.
But keep these yokels coming…we gotta feed the sharks here.

 
Comment by az_lender
2007-11-03 11:09:35

250x monthly rent is a ridiculous price. If there is no vacancy and the agent takes “only” 10% of the rent, that leaves the owner with a yield of just over 4% BEFORE paying property taxes or maintenance expenses. Appreciation? Is he kidding?

 
Comment by Left LA Behind
2007-11-03 12:41:32

Hey NYCB - I am in NYC on and off through the 14th. How about one of those 4 hour drinking tours? tgnohome (at) gmail (dot) com

 
 
 
Comment by Rally Mitigation Team Member Bob
2007-11-03 07:14:50

“There have been nearly 1,000 foreclosures since August, and the ‘for sale’ signs are springing up like weeds.”

I remember back in ‘96 when my wife and I purchased a townhome in Fairfax, VA, and the market was so depressed that the sellers had to pay our mortgage points, which we loaded up on after learning that detail.

Ah, those were the good ol’ days. :-)

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2007-11-03 12:49:03

Ahh RMTMB,

Those days are returning.

 
 
Comment by Chik
2007-11-03 07:18:10

Anyone have their thumb on the pulse of the Richmond VA market? Price declines? etc

Or any blog or data links?

Thanks

Chik

Comment by Joe D
2007-11-03 11:17:43

In Richmond prices also went up above reality. There are many condos and vacant homes for sale. Prices may go down at least 20%.

Go by at night in a new subdivision or condo building and you will see many,many dark lights

 
Comment by Paul in Jax
2007-11-03 12:49:05

Wachovia Securities is moving its headquarters from Richmond to St Louis after its purchase of A.G. Edwards. That was a huge operation which had grown up from Wheat, First Securities (I used to work there) and all its mergers over the last 20 years - Butcher Singer, Prudential Bache, etc.

Up to 3000 jobs will be lost; try searching on “Wachovia Richmond layoffs” on google.

 
 
Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2007-11-03 07:19:42

“The director of finance said there is a silver lining, however. ‘When the market does correct and turn, we’ll have a lot of product,’ he said.”

Didn’t the makers of horse carriages say the same thing, when they were sure that the automobile was just a fad?

Comment by Groundhogday
2007-11-03 08:03:21

Actually this fellow is a bit confused as to economic fundamentals. Here is what he should have said:

“When we don’t have a lot of product, the market will correct and turn.”

 
 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2007-11-03 07:21:32

Here are two data points:

Friend sold in Rockville a few months ago for $699K, and the same style/size house sold a few doors away for $845K in early 2006.

Other friends bought a “retirement villa” resale in Woodbridge for $515K in 2005. Two others sold on their street for as much as $585K in 2005. Earlier this year, a matching resale on the street went for $375K.

The drops are real, and much greater than what the “median” decline would indicate.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2007-11-03 07:28:18

Bingo!

Somebody give us a good, ground-level account of Long Island or Queens. A former co-worker told me this week that there are still a lot of dreamers in Queens. A transaction that wreaked of fraud occurred in his neighborhood. It was a first-payment default on an artificially high price. It is now sitting vacant and the neighbors don’t like the fact that the grass is 4-feet high. They loved that house when they saw the originally bloated sales price.

I want more information, please.

 
Comment by Silverback1011
2007-11-03 08:49:00

A person I know is renting a townhouse-style condo in a 1970’s development in Reston/Sterling Virginia area for $1200 per month. The condos in there ( 2 BR ) were selling in the $450’s last year. Now they’re down to the $350’s. Their normal rents are $1500 - $1600 per month. They’re still overpriced if you’re buying one….

Comment by Arwen U.
2007-11-03 08:54:49

Reston 3-bedroom house:

2210 SOUTHGATE SQ
RESTON, VA 20191
List Price: $199,900
Prior Sale: $360,000 01/19/2006
Listing Date: 06/29/07
-44.5%

Comment by Silverback1011
2007-11-03 11:44:14

Wow. What a haircut.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2007-11-03 07:34:58

“Gaffney says the need to sell the houses quickly has led to deep discounts. In Huntley, Gaffney has lowered prices on houses by $80,000, from $549,000 to $469,000. Still, even such discounts haven’t led to rapid sales, and he believes that’s because people have tuned in to national news predicting ongoing doom and gloom in the housing market.”

Mr. Gaffney should test his beliefs by lowering the price below the Jumbo loan limit ($417,000), and then if no buyers are forthcoming, lowering the price some more. Because it just might be the case that there are virtually no buyers whatever in his local real estate market who can qualify to borrow $469,000 under traditional underwriting standards (the kind which require the loan to be repaid).

Comment by NYCityBoy
2007-11-03 07:40:54

Just wait to see how hard it is to get a mortgage if they allow bankruptcy judges to cram down mortgages for FBs to avoid foreclosure. You might need 50% down.

Comment by Professor Bear
2007-11-03 09:43:30

Such judgments would also greatly reduce the chance that underwriting standards are again abandoned over the next half century or so.

Comment by tresho
2007-11-04 03:05:50

Such judgments might well eliminate all underwriting of loans for the next half century or so.

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Comment by screwed renter
2007-11-03 09:08:19

I used to work for this guy when I was an undergrad at UVA. He builds nice houses, and is a decent guy. I hear C’ville is definately bubblicious. Live in LA now.

 
Comment by az_lender
2007-11-03 11:15:23

“virtually no buyers … who can qualify to borrow $469,000″

I have often thought that one of the reasons why the banks chose not to compete with me was, that it’s cheaper to service a $469K loan than a $46,900 loan (very close to the average of all my outstanding mortgages). It is indeed cheaper, if you can sell the actual note to some noodnik. If you keep the notes as I do, you have to factor in the recognition that $46,900 is an amount real people can eventually repay! — even retired people.

 
 
Comment by AUA
2007-11-03 07:35:05

Ben, you’re missing the most interesting news out of Virginia. I first heard about this story on the Paper Economy blog.

SoldAtTheTop, proprietor of the blog wrote a post about the NAR President being unable to sell his home in tawny DC suburb, Great Falls, Virginia. He linked to a Washington Post story (”A Humbling Lesson for Realtors’ President“) which pretty much took the guy apart for being a noodnik and having his property on the market for a year.

Guess what, over a year after THAT, is still on the market?

Comment by az_lender
2007-11-03 10:50:15

Took some doing to convince myself it is actually the same house. The neat trick was that big tree they managed to install at the join between the main house and the left wing.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2007-11-03 07:38:17

“That was enough of a glimpse of New York for Mr. Timmons, a 32-year-old carpenter from County Meath, Ireland. Last summer, he put down 10 percent on a $760,000 studio under construction at 75 Wall Street.”

“Mr. Timmons has never seen the apartment and does not plan to live there. Instead, he hopes to rent it out for $3,000 a month when it’s finished next year and eventually to sell it at a profit.”

“He predicts that a Wall Street address will always be in demand. ‘If you can’t rent on Wall Street, then where can you rent?’ Mr. Timmons said.”

Add this Irish carpenter to the ranks of the NYC cabdrivers and hairdressers who are going to find out their real estate infestment career was somewhat like picking up nickels in front of steamrollers.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2007-11-03 07:43:34

Every once in a while you see a pancaked rat in our neighborhood. These are big rats that leave behind big carcasses. I believe it is typically the garbage trucks that run them over. I think that would be a good comparison.

Have a great day everybody. We’re off to do some volunteer work with PS11. I’m sure I will have more good finance stories since it is all finance people doing the volunteer work. Delusions abound!

Comment by Professor Bear
2007-11-03 09:45:32

“Rats running out in front of garbage trucks…”

Nice imagery!

 
 
Comment by nycjoe
2007-11-04 05:33:24

Caid mille failte, Casey O’Serin!

 
 
Comment by Arwen U.
2007-11-03 07:39:02

I drove into Manassas Thursday during evening rush hour and was startled by the lack of heavy traffic I’m used to. There was a story recently about immigrants bailing out of the county.

Here are some examples from my NOVA Bubble Fallout blog of current listing prices vs. prior sales in Prince William county. In March, it was difficult to find listings in the 20% off range, and even in June, 34% was the extreme (recorded at Business Week’s Hot Property blog). Now the 40%’s are piling in and I’m expecting more 50%’s.

13009 KETTERMAN DR
WOODBRIDGE, VA 22193
List Price: $229,000
Prior Sale: $470,000 08/30/06
Listing Date: 10/17/07
-51.3%

1437 CALIFORNIA ST
WOODBRIDGE, VA 22191
List Price: $199,900
Prior Sale: $387,000 8/28/2006
Listing Date: 09/17/07
-48.3%

7939 COMMUNITY DR
MANASSAS, VA 20109
List Price: $150,000
Prior Sale: $290,000 8/1/2005
Listing Date: 08/21/07
-48.3%

8153 COMMUNITY DR
MANASSAS, VA 20109
List Price: $150,000
Prior Sale: $287,000 12/20/2005
Listing Date: 10/10/07
-47.7%

 
Comment by AUA
2007-11-03 07:50:43

I think my comment might have gotten eaten, in which case, let’s give this another try with less finesse.
1. http://tinyurl.com/3dm3ma
Where I first heard the story.
2. http://tinyurl.com/kd6mu The story about the NAR president’s house on the market for a year (09/2006).
3. http://tinyurl.com/2kgkfx The property, still listed on redfin, asking more than a comp across the street that sold for $200K less in 2006. (11/2007)

Sorry if the info shows up twice.

Comment by NeilT
2007-11-03 17:00:08

Very interesting. Just shows how clueless the NAR president was as the boom started to go bust, just like the members of his organization!

 
 
Comment by Va Beyatch in Virginia Beach
2007-11-03 07:53:43

It tickles me everytime I see Hampton Roads (Southeastern Virginia / Norfolk - Newport News - Williamsburg) region on here. The southside paper, The Virginian Pilot, has been very mute when it comes to the subject of real estate. I see tons and tons of rental listings on craigslist. I see lots of properties listed for sale at “below market value” and “under appraisal” and what not. One condo in downtown Norfolk was listed $20K to $30K _under_ the city assessment according to the listing! How’s that for taxes.

The job market (as reported by the paper) is strong here, but the jobs generally don’t pay much. The gov’t contractors make up a huge amount of the employment, and they can be stingy and the jobs not satisfying for the better job candidates. The word is that military/navy retirement keeps the salaries low in this region. Until called out on it in the Pilot, a few of the cities had it listed on their economic development websites that a good reason to bring your business to the region is because of the low paid workforce.

Comment by Mike
2007-11-03 08:54:05

The job market is also good in Southern California. Help Wanted ads everywhere. No problem getting work at all - if you want to work for $8 an hour and no benefits. That’s the reason there is so much help wanted. In fact, that’s the b.s behind all these “great economy” numbers. The economy is doing great - for the CEO’s and upper management but the majority are not on board the Bush gravy train for the rich.

Not many working people can afford $600,000 homes on $8 and hour, even their wife works at a similar job. Which, of course, is why there are so many jobs going begging in this area and others high price property areas because even rents are high - and even people who work in McDonalds or WalMart like to sleep with a roof over their head.

Actually, it gets worse. I saw a guy who lives on my street (nothing under $600,000) driving his car with a Domino’s pizza delivery sign on the roof. I know he retired aout 3 years ago and I couldn’t think of the reason why he was delivering pizzas. He worked for the State of California for years so he must have a pretty fat pension + his Social Security. Then it dawned on me that his daughter and son-in-law bought a house in Newbury Park about 2 years ago for $650,000. Both are blue collar workers who might be making $50,000 between them if they are lucky so they obviously took out a sub-prime. I remember when he told me they had bought. He had a big smile on his face. I just didn’t have the heart to say, “Oh, boy. I wish they hadn’t done that. The property market is going to drop big time at some point”.

Somehow I get the feeling they have just had a reset and cannot make the mortgage payments so the father is delivering Pizzas to help out. It makes no difference, All these solutions including the attempts by politicians to stop the meltdown are a waste of time. The problem is too big and has only one solution. Massive price reductions.

Comment by Olympiagal
2007-11-03 10:16:18

If your speculation is correct– that this guy is trying to help out his kids– then your story saddens me. This guy ought to be sitting on his porch whittling wooden bunnies and smoking a pipe, or whatever it is that old guys like to do, not out driving stupid pizzas around.
His kids just wanted a house! Jeeze! And average Americans who are willing to work hard and follow the rules ought to be able to GET a house they can keep. This housing/credit bubble has caused so many of us immeasurable harm, it really has.

Comment by Kim
2007-11-03 16:57:04

“If your speculation is correct– that this guy is trying to help out his kids– then your story saddens me. This guy ought to be sitting on his porch whittling wooden bunnies and smoking a pipe, or whatever it is that old guys like to do, not out driving stupid pizzas around.”

I agree. That IS sad. As difficult as it is for a parent to stand back, he’d be doing them a bigger favor in the long run if he encouraged them to find their own way out of the hole they made.

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Comment by Paul in Jax
2007-11-03 08:25:16

We’ve got my Mom’s house under contract for a price about 12-15% below peak in a small city in western Va. My brother and I are crossing our fingers we can get through to the closing date. Of course we worked on it a lot, had a good plan, and didn’t overprice it in the first place - agent said it was the closest contract price to listing price he had seen in town in 6 months.

Comment by Hazard
2007-11-03 13:24:41

Hmmm, where in that part of Va? Some beautiful areas there but prices are extremely high (relatively speaking) at least it seems so to me. I think a lot of people who’ve retired and moved there from DC, NJ, etc really like it. It would be one of my first choices. Sounds like your buyer got a pretty good deal.

Comment by Paul in Jax
2007-11-03 14:32:06

West of the mountains but close enough to be influenced by Charlottesville. About 30-35% cheaper than C’ville - probably peaked at 40% cheaper in 2005 but C’ville is more bubbled and has come off a bit more. Historical average is probably 25%-30% cheaper than C’ville.

 
 
 
Comment by fla to pa
2007-11-03 08:26:35

The York Dispatch dose not say anything about the NEED of Maryland buyers! There are not enough Jobs at Harley or any other local company that pay enough to supprt thr median price unless you want to live in the slum that is York citiy. Every seller wants/NEEDS a buyer from Maryland to get the price. All medians are skewed buy those willing to drive more than 50 miles one way to MD or 75 + to DC. With oil going and holding above 90 the soon to come 3.50 to 4.00 gas will speed up the fall in home sales. York county is MD B!tch.

 
Comment by boston
2007-11-03 08:46:21

If you want a property in Boston better buy now, prices are set to skyrocket next year….

http://www.gbreb.com/gbar/Nov0107HomeFront.htm

Comment by Kim
2007-11-03 17:04:44

Puleeze…

A friend made an offer on a house in the Boston burbs this week. The sellers are divorcing. Wife JUMPED at their offer. Hubby thought he “could get more” for the house and wouldn’t sign. What an idiot! My friend walked away. She and her family decided to rent, at least for a little while.

 
 
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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2007-11-03 09:55:28

Wow! Imagine how the FBs who already live there must feel. But the deepest discount, almost 50%, was for $600K townhouses in Fredericksburg.

$600K for a Fredericksburg townhouse?!! AYSM?
(Are you sh!ttin’ me?)

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2007-11-03 09:05:41

“‘It’s almost like a paralysis with people that they don’t want to buy,’ he says.”

Not so much paralyzed, as mesmerized by price drops every thirty days. Ooooooooooohhhh….aaahhhhhhhh.

 
Comment by takingbets
2007-11-03 09:48:46

“In September, the average price in the county was $340,478, down 7.7 percent from September 2006. ‘Prices are not dropping below what the homes are worth,’ Fox said.”

seriously, i think this guy needs to be kicked in the nuts!!!!

 
Comment by Magic Kat
2007-11-03 14:54:44

Had to chuckle…

Dogs were barking in the front yard, something my lazy dogs rarely do — so I went out to investigate. The home across the street is vacant and been on the market going on two years. The potential buyer was YELLING at the agent showing the property “This damn house isn’t worth $595″ The agent bellowed back, “Well, I have to work with these people and there’s no WAY I’ll present an offer under 4 — get yourself another agent, I won’t do it.” The agent stomped off, locked the front door and peeled rubber going down the street. The potential buyer’s wife held her husband back and chanted, “Calm down, Charles, just calm down.” His face was red, but I think he was smiling. I waved. They ignored me. I let the dogs bark.

I imagine this scene will repeat somewhere, sometime soon.

 
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